All your 1911 is obsolete...

[GearScout]

One of my buddies sent me this from EWA. I'm both aghast and intrigued.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/03/09/its-real-the-double-barrel-arsenal-1911/

This is a conversation piece any 1911 collector would love to have. I don't know if the BATF will go easy on it, though. The question is whether it's a machine gun since one drop of the hammer fires two rounds.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/arsenal-second-century-1911/w030912rcmodel-2011-01.jpg

[TheNewbie]

Haha I was just about to post this. Here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-DGaNmtA0#t=83s

[jetfire]

Can you imagine the FAST Drill with one of those? "Two shots to the head? No problem."

[jmjames]

Can you imagine the FAST Drill with one of those? "Two shots to the head? No problem."

Conversely, imagine how slow a malfunction drill would be? Especially since we're doubling the likelihood of it happening... :D

J.Ja

[TCinVA]

I find it difficult to believe that a shooting public which often has trouble controlling a single outgoing bullet is really in need of a pistol that fires two of them at once.

It's silly, useless, and if somebody actually asked me about making one prior to doing it I would laugh at them and call them names.

...but because I'm a complete gun-tard I still want one for absolutely no rational reason. It's like one of those tiny giraffes from that commercial. How do you best having an expensive, finicky, difficult to produce handgun? By welding two of them together!

Opulence...I wants it.

[JV_]

Does CCC have a blue gun for this "gun"?

[jetfire]

It's like a proper Italian super car. It's pointless, ridiculous, melodramatic, and completely over the top...and that makes it completely awesome. Is buying a Glock a smarter decision? Yes. But so is buying a Toyota Camry instead of a Zonda F.

[Zhurdan]

I think we just reached the end of the internet.

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0HHNA9hB-SN5zBNbRwONMpDAEJUs1c8TEfE9oJFbE91bSmOg9

[Byron]

Opulence...I wants it.

http://byrong.com/hi5.jpg

[orionz06]

Akimbo Arsenal Second Century 2011...

[LOKNLOD]

Isn't that the same company that had the Russian polymer pistol we talked about a few weeks ago?


Congrats on creating a pistol that will be in every B-movie action flick for the next few years.

[NickA]

Does CCC have a blue gun for this "gun"?

Think of the time saved by shooting yourself in both testicles at the same time!

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[JV_]

How the barrel bushings are removed?

[JV_]

Think of the time saved by shooting yourself in both testicles at the same time!So I should just forget the Shaggy and mexican carry?

[jmjames]

I am now obsessed with the idea of a "DOUBLE JUDGE! WHEN .410 ISN'T ENOUGH, CARRY .820 IN YOUR POCKET! THE ULTIMATE CARJACKER GUN! (tm)".

J.Ja

[NickA]

So I should just forget the Shaggy and mexican carry?

If you've got the stones to Mexican carry that thing I'd worry about the risk of ricochets in case of an AD.

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[JDM]

Does CCC have a blue gun for this "gun"?

That unhappy with the SIG huh?

:p

[JV_]

If you've got the stones to Mexican carry that thing I'd worry about the risk of ricochets in case of an AD.With 2X the chance of hitting my femoral artery, I'm not worried about the ricochet.

[JV_]

That unhappy with the SIG huh?Dude, this is a double .45 ....

[NickA]

With 2X the chance of hitting my femoral artery, I'm not worried about the ricochet.

Was more of a comment on the big brass "stones" required to AIWB that monstrosity but as usual I missed.

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[F-Trooper05]

Take that, society!

[GearScout]

So I should just forget the Shaggy and mexican carry?

If this prints with an AIWB and someone asks you what's with the bulge, you can tell them you're carrying twins.

[LHS]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/LordHeadshot/TropicThunder_FullRetard_Poster2.jpg

I was wondering about the BATF implications of having a single trigger pull fire both barrels at once. That seems cut-and-dried to qualify as an MG.

I also wonder about regulating barrels to both hit at the same point of impact at a specific distance. Or does it just fire straight ahead, and each barrel will impact slightly to the side of point of aim?

[JeffJ]

I don't think POA/POI was a major consideration in the design and manufacure of this weapon

[jetfire]

It actually has two separate triggers and apparently the barrels can be fired independently.

[Zhurdan]

It actually has two separate triggers and apparently the barrels can be fired independently.

It appears in the pictures I've seen of it that the rear sight is in the middle of the two slides, connected to them. How can it fire one barrel if they are stuck together? You'd be cycling out live rounds out of the non fired barrel.

Ok, so who's gonna buy the first one to definitively let us know? hehe

[JV_]

It actually has two separate triggers and apparently the barrels can be fired independently.

In picture #2 of the slide show, it looks like the hammers are connnected/unitized.

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[jetfire]

Thus making the comparisons to the Zonda even more apt. This is a gun that was engineered to be bonkers.

[DanH]

I'm not entirely sure that engineered is the term I would use to describe how this thing came to be. :p

[LHS]

I'm not entirely sure that engineered is the term I would use to describe how this thing came to be. :p

Sounds more like a dare or 'hold mah beer and watch this!' kind of thing.

[jrm]

This looks like a company to watch they even have a sniper variant of a polymer pistol. Not sure how to link to the video but the title is "Strike One 2012" on youtube

[DonovanM]

Thus making the comparisons to the Zonda even more apt. This is a gun that was engineered to be bonkers.

No. A Zonda would provide you with feverish sweaty palmed nirvana every time you took it to a track. It would last a lifetime, and unless you had no soul whatsoever, it would never get old.

I would liken this gun to dating Kim Kardashian. Sure, she's hot and all, but after the novelty wears off they would both return to their intrinsic state as useless vapid ornaments that weren't quite thought all the way through.

[Long tom coffin]

That thing is sofa king we todd ed.


I'd heavily encourage anyone who purchases it to post pictures of themselves on the forums so I can point and laugh.

[Byron]

Anyone else notice the bad dubbing when he sad the name of the pistol? Guess they changed some part of the name after filming. I can understand why they wouldn't re-shoot that footage, but I can't understand why they wouldn't re-shoot the weapon demo. He is trying as hard as he can to suppress his flinch, and looks absolutely miserable firing it.

Oh.... and maybe they should fix the YouTube video title so that it matches the description.

Aaaaaand maybe I'm being a pedantic jerk.... but c'mon; it's a promo video.

This was my favorite bit of hyperbole from the YouTube description though:

2 bullets for a total of 460 Grains weight impacting at 1 to 2 inches apart (depending on the distance of the target) will knock down a bull

I can haz physics?

And as for the issue of independent triggers...

The AF2011-A1 ("Twenty Eleven" for aficionados) can be ordered either with 2 independent triggers and one sear group (left or right, with user-interchangeability for right or left operations) or with 2 triggers permanently joined and the choice of 1 or 2 sear groups.
Are they really saying you have the option to order it configured such that only one side could be fired? My brain just melted.

[BigT]

I assume 1911x2 = twice as many stoppages.

[Tamara]

Trying to figure out how you get those barrel bushings out is driving me up the wall; I am going to be lying awake tonight worried about it, I just know. :o

Initial rejected ad campaign slogans:

"From the company that brought you the first kickstand for the Leopard 2, and high performance titanium training wheels for the Airbus A300, comes a revolution in small arms development..."
"Twice the capacity. Twice the weight. Twice the chance for feedway stoppages..."
"Wondering what to buy your favorite action-movie villain for Christmas? Wonder no more!"

[LOKNLOD]

They should have called it the Model 3651921. Not real catchy though.

"Second Century: First Class style, Third World Sensibility"

[TGS]

WTF was with the old dude shooting it in the video? What's with the tacticool gloves with......a tweed jacket? Was that a tweed jacket?

I'm so getting one of these for AFHF in August.

[orionz06]

WTF was with the old dude shooting it in the video? What's with the tacticool gloves with......a tweed jacket? Was that a tweed jacket?

I'm so getting one of these for AFHF in August.

Cut the sleeves off, instant vest.

[DanH]

if you cut off the sleeves you lose the elbow patches tho

[Tamara]

WTF was with the old dude shooting it in the video? What's with the tacticool gloves with......a tweed jacket? Was that a tweed jacket?

The European civilian shooting community has a lot more vons and vans and Comtes and Markgrafs; a Kettner's is an altogether more la-ti-dah establishment than, say, a Bass Pro Shops... :)

[JV_]

It actually has two separate triggers and apparently the barrels can be fired independently.If it didn't fire both barrels you'd eject a live round on the side that didn't fire ... which would be a waste, you can't have something be wasteful on a gun that's pure function.

And, If it didn't fire both rounds, I'm not sure if the slide would cycle correctly with 2 recoil springs for one .45.

[Tamara]

The two triggers appear to be interlinked such that pulling either one pulls them both. Were I deranged enough to be the company behind this, I'd still run it by the BATFEIEIO due to the separate sear mechanisms and argue that it was two trigger pulls for two projectiles. All they can do is say "no".

[JV_]

Do any of the old double barreled shotguns have a similar mechanism?

[jmjames]

Do any of the old double barreled shotguns have a similar mechanism?

Exactly what I was thinking... I am not sure how this is any different from a SxS shotgun (I've never used one).

J.Ja

[Tamara]

Do any of the old double barreled shotguns have a similar mechanism?

I'm fuzzy on the details, but since shotguns shoot "more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger" by definition, I'm not sure what, if any, dispensation they have, at least not off the top of my head.

[Al T.]

"more than one "projectile", without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger"

Suspect one pull of the trigger per cartridge (primer) igniting is OK, multiple primers (cartridges) per single trigger pull - fully automatic.

[Tamara]

Suspect one pull of the trigger per cartridge (primer) igniting is OK, multiple primers (cartridges) per single trigger pull - fully automatic.

Yeah, firearms laws aren't exactly a model of clarity, most of them having been written by people who know less about guns than I know about astrophysics.

(And then I stop and think that they probably know as much about medicine, accounting, agriculture, manufacturing, et cetera, as they do about guns, and all the laws and regulations covering those things are probably every bit as messed up, and it makes me want to start drinking heavily.)

[Chuck Haggard]

and it makes me want to start drinking heavily.)

Which is why they will regulate that next.

[TGS]

Do any of the old double barreled shotguns have a similar mechanism?

Was putzing around and happened upon this Fuchs double rifle......way cooler than this 1911:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7273185959068799190#

[A-Train]

Probably not real useful but it looks pretty darn neat. :p

[Tamara]

Was putzing around and happened upon this Fuchs double rifle......way cooler than this 1911

Dude, really? All the threads on this board to resurrect and you picked this one?

I had managed to completely blot out all memory of the existence of the ghey Double 1911 and... BAM! ...all that drinking was for nothing.

Sigh... Back into therapy. :o

[1slow]

Reminds me of the Maxwell Smart "Harmonica Revolver" from one episode of the old series, two cylinders, barrels etc... one grip and trigger.
Also remember in the 1970s-80s the company putting 2 Remington 1100s, 1 right hand and 1 left hand eject on 1 stock and fore end.

[Corvus]

Anyone remember the twin barrel / twin magazine sub gun from "The Challenge" ?