2018 pistol-forum.com CCW Survey

[Nephrology]

Hi all!

It's been a couple years since I did this, but it was well received and only gave me a couple migraines last time, so here it is: the 2018 pistol-forum.com CCW Survey (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72)! Could there possibly be a better way to ring in the new year? If so, well, that was a rhetorical question, so keep your smarmy answers to yourself ;)

Just like the last time this happened, the instructions are pretty simple: pick ONE handgun that, in your estimation, you carried MOST OFTEN in the 2018 calendar year and fill out the poll accordingly. For LEOs or other armed professionals, please select the firearm that you carried most often while not on duty.

I know that there were a few hiccups with the design of my poll last time but I'll be damned if I can remember them. Feel free to post here if you have any issues. I am sure I forgot a handgun model here or there - if it's a reasonably popular model from a major manufacturer, feel free to let me know in this post and I'll try to patch things up.

Just like last time, I'll post stats once I get enough replies and get the free time to put together neat Google charts with the results. I can even compare them side by side with the 2017 results, too! Mighty fancy, I know.

In case you missed it: click here (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72) to make your wildest dreams come true (and to fill out the survey, too :))

oh, and... Happy New Year!

[Balisong]

Done!

Always interesting to see these results. And my answer will be different for next year.

[cornstalker]

Done. Thanks for doing this. It's always interesting to see the results.

[JBP55]

Done.

[revchuck38]

Done. But you still have references to 2016-2017 in there.

[JonInWA]

Done-and thanks for doing this. Always interesting to see how our p-f cognoscenti orient themselves.

But you might need an "Obscure Hipster" category for Tam....

Best, Jon

[Bigghoss]

I found myself grabbing my Glock 26 most often because I hardly leave the house for extended periods. I'm usually running out to get one thing and coming right back so I don't feel like "gearing up". I ordered a paddle holster and new belt to hopefully make carrying the Glock 19 more convenient.

[Spartan1980]

Done!

[CCT125US]

Done.

[HCountyGuy]

Done!

[Jared]

Done.

[Clusterfrack]

Done. Thanks for doing this again Nephrology. Happy new year!

[farscott]

Done, and my answers for 2019 may be different from 2018 as I am considering moving from the P30 back to the 1911-pattern.

[StraitR]

Awesome! Thanks.

One request, can we not post links to this on other boards or blogs, as to keep it a PF only survey this year? Sorry, I'm really only interested in what the membership here does.

[Bucky]

I’m stuck. ;)

Is the EDC X9 a “1911” or other?

[Drang]

Done.

[Nephrology]

Done. But you still have references to 2016-2017 in there.

I'll fix them now - thanks!

[Nephrology]

Done. But you still have references to 2016-2017 in there.

Where are you seeing these? I do reference 2017 in the first Q (to see if things changed in 2018) - not sure I'm seeing anything else. Thanks for the feedback!


I’m stuck. ;)

Is the EDC X9 a “1911” or other?

1911 I'd say!


Done. Thanks for doing this again RevolverRob. Happy new year!

https://i.imgur.com/L3WtDrv.png

[Clusterfrack]

Where are you seeing these? I do reference 2017 in the first Q (to see if things changed in 2018) - not sure I'm seeing anything else. Thanks for the feedback!



1911 I'd say!



https://i.imgur.com/L3WtDrv.png

Whoops. :p Thanks for doing this, Nephrology. Happy new year!

[jetfire]

Hi all!

It's been a couple years since I did this, but it was well received and only gave me a couple migraines last time, so here it is: the 2018 pistol-forum.com CCW Survey (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72)! Could there possibly be a better way to ring in the new year? If so, well, that was a rhetorical question, so keep your smarmy answers to yourself ;)

Just like the last time this happened, the instructions are pretty simple: pick ONE handgun that, in your estimation, you carried MOST OFTEN in the 2018 calendar year and fill out the poll accordingly. For LEOs or other armed professionals, please select the firearm that you carried most often while not on duty.

I know that there were a few hiccups with the design of my poll last time but I'll be damned if I can remember them. Feel free to post here if you have any issues. I am sure I forgot a handgun model here or there - if it's a reasonably popular model from a major manufacturer, feel free to let me know in this post and I'll try to patch things up.

Just like last time, I'll post stats once I get enough replies and get the free time to put together neat Google charts with the results. I can even compare them side by side with the 2017 results, too! Mighty fancy, I know.

In case you missed it: click here (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72) to make your wildest dreams come true (and to fill out the survey, too :))

oh, and... Happy New Year!

Sadly there wasn’t an option for “whatever gun I’m getting paid to carry.”

[Jakus]

Done!

[Duelist]

Done!


I found myself grabbing my Glock 26 most often because I hardly leave the house for extended periods. I'm usually running out to get one thing and coming right back so I don't feel like "gearing up". I ordered a paddle holster and new belt to hopefully make carrying the Glock 19 more convenient.

I carried the G26 most because it works most of the time. I have bigger guns that hardly got carried, and smaller that went to the gym, or were used occasionally for backup, or very much more occasionally, by themselves. I experimented with the G42 for a week, and found it very comfortable and easy, but then forced myself to go back to the G26 as primary/main except when it’s too big or heavy.

[Bucky]

1911 I'd say!


I chose NOT to go 1911, and here’s my reasoning. At this point in time I chose not to carry a 1911. Since I currently won’t carry a 1911, but I love carrying this, then I can’t consider this a 1911.

[RevolverRob]

https://i.imgur.com/L3WtDrv.png

There are worse comparisons; he could have called you Hilary Clinton. :eek:

Two answers given, because it's two "1911s"; one full custom STI, one full factory Kimber.

[M2CattleCo]

Cool poll.

Done.

[Cory]

I look forward to the results. I filled it out for my Glock 17.

I've been switching myself to Beretta. But I think my Glock still gets the nod. After a little more proving I think next year I'll be entering different info.

-Cory

[Balisong]

I chose NOT to go 1911, and here’s my reasoning. At this point in time I chose not to carry a 1911. Since I currently won’t carry a 1911, but I love carrying this, then I can’t consider this a 1911.

FWIW I'd like to know how many of our members are carrying EDC X9s, and I consider them different enough from 1911s. Would it be too much hassle to give them their own option?

[revchuck38]

Where are you seeing these? I do reference 2017 in the first Q (to see if things changed in 2018) - not sure I'm seeing anything else. Thanks for the feedback!


I tried to go back into it to find them but it won't let me go past the first page without filling in answers. I don't want to mess up the results of the survey, so I guess we can write this off to an attack of Oldtimer's Disease. :rolleyes: Thanks for the work on the survey!

[pangloss]

Done here too. Still a G19 and still by a small margin over the G26 and G43. Thanks for doing this, Neph.

[medmo]

Got it. Done it. Look forward to the results. Thanks, and Happy New Year!

[Bucky]

FWIW I'd like to know how many of our members are carrying EDC X9s, and I consider them different enough from 1911s. Would it be too much hassle to give them their own option?

When you choose other, it asks make and model, so we might be able to track it.

[jwperry]

Sadly there wasn’t an option for “whatever gun I’m getting paid to carry.”

Or "smoking Bill Drills" option. I've been searching APX RDO guns on gunbroker for the last few hours...

and your PF location is wrong.

[Trukinjp13]

Doneski


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[Balisong]

When you choose other, it asks make and model, so we might be able to track it.

Oh cool, I didn't remember that. As I was.

[AZgunguy]

Done.

[Nephrology]

Sadly there wasn’t an option for “whatever gun I’m getting paid to carry.”

Check your privilege ;)!

[Mark D]

Response submitted. Looking forward to seeing the results. Thanks.

[Darth_Uno]

Same as last year...RMR’ed Glock 19. Although it was a different 19 this year.

[Leroy Suggs]

Done and thanks for the survey.
I changed everything. Went from G17.4 to G19.5

Went from aiwb to owb 3 o'clock.

Stopped carrying bug.

[flyrodr]

Done.

[spinmove_]

G19.4 here for 2018 as a whole. Although due to my work constraints and giving other solutions a shot, it’s changing to something completely different. I’ll be carrying an LCP at least 5 days a week due to ease of don and doff for work purposes. Weekends and days off will most likely see a P-07.


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[Rex G]

I carried such a mix, in 2018, it was difficult to sort-out. I went with my best guess-timate, my S&W 327 PC snubby.

I also had to guess whether I carried a secondary more than 50% of the time. Reluctantly, I chose “no,” as the best answer for being uncertain. Much of the time, I did carry a J-snub Airlite second weapon.

I have actually ended the year largely carrying a G17, one of my former duty pistols.

[Nephrology]

There are worse comparisons; he could have called you Hilary Clinton. :eek:

Two answers given, because it's two "1911s"; one full custom STI, one full factory Kimber.

1! One! ONE! You're getting a PhD for chrissakes! Were the caps not enough?


I carried such a mix, in 2018, it was difficult to sort-out. I went with my best guess-timate, my S&W 327 PC snubby.

I also had to guess whether I carried a secondary more than 50% of the time. Reluctantly, I chose “no,” as the best answer for being uncertain. Much of the time, I did carry a J-snub Airlite second weapon.

I have actually ended the year largely carrying a G17, one of my former duty pistols.

See, RevolverRob? Decisiveness in the face of uncertainty! Also, the ability to read instructions! This is what you were supposed to do!


I chose NOT to go 1911, and here’s my reasoning. At this point in time I chose not to carry a 1911. Since I currently won’t carry a 1911, but I love carrying this, then I can’t consider this a 1911.

Well, it's enough of a gray zone that I won't lose sleep over it. Unlike the above!! NYE ruined! Comical hyperbole!

[olstyn]

Hah, I remember asking last time around, but I couldn't remember whether Nephrology said my P99c should be called striker-fired or DA/SA, what with how it's both, so I boldly chose DA/SA. Also, I still saw a reference to 2016-2017 in there, so it would seem that they haven't *all* been fixed yet.

[Nephrology]

Also, I still saw a reference to 2016-2017 in there, so it would seem that they haven't *all* been fixed yet.

Where, specifically? And if it's a gray area or unclear, just pick whatever is most logical to you, it's not a big deal.

[olstyn]

Where, specifically? And if it's a gray area or unclear, just pick whatever is most logical to you, it's not a big deal.

I want to say it was on the page where it asked which specific Walther, but I'm not 100% certain of that. My apologies. I could run through it again and just not click submit at the end to verify for sure if that would help.

[Nephrology]

I want to say it was on the page where it asked which specific Walther, but I'm not 100% certain of that. My apologies. I could run through it again and just not click submit at the end to verify for sure if that would help.

Found it! Left all the dates on the individual manufacturer pages unchanged apparently; just changed them now. Thanks for the catch!

[Nephrology]

Also, I managed to get almost 200 replies in less than 6 hours. Fantastic! Thanks for participating, everyone!

[olstyn]

Found it! Left all the dates on the individual manufacturer pages unchanged apparently; just changed them now. Thanks for the catch!

You're welcome, and thanks for running the survey again; it has definitely been interesting to see the results in previous years.

[Totem Polar]

Looking forward to seeing how this pans out. Thanks for the effort.

[Vista461]

Done, and it’ll likely change at some point this year because I’m going from a striker gun (G22) at work to a DA/SA gun (92A1). So I’ll proba ly change to a DA/SA gun for off duty too.

[Evil_Ed]

Done, and 2019 will undoubtedly be different than 2019 for me as I figure more things out about what works for me and what does not...

[miller_man]

Done.

[Bucky]

Is there a link to view results? I clicked the link and it gave me the survey again, which I did not do - don’t want to be that guy. ;)

[Gater]

Done! Very static in 2018.

Thanks for doing this.

[Mike C]

Done, I look forward to seeing the results. Nephrology, will we be able to see 2017 results in comparison? Thank yo for doing this it is interesting info.

[jamautry]

Done

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[LSP552]

Done, and thanks again!

[ranger]

Done. Interesting to see what the mix of firearms will be 2017 vs 2018. I predict a higher percentage of M&Ps with the 2.0s and specifically the 2.0 Compact.

[Nephrology]

Done, I look forward to seeing the results. Nephrology, will we be able to see 2017 results in comparison? Thank yo for doing this it is interesting info.


Sure! For now, here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-41X-DtLBJsxDMsZPkSoM98eqccVDOdFFo57P4UI6aA/edit#responses) is the link to the old poll. No longer accepting responses but you should be able to view the tally in the "responses" tab. Let me know if you're not seeing it.

[RJ]

Done, and thank you Nephrology for doing this; I look forward to looking at the data.

I may have missed it but my Ruger LCR is my dog walking / gym / throw in my pants pocket gun a lot of the time these days. Did I miss it in the list of small revolvers?

[Nephrology]

Done, and thank you Nephrology for doing this; I look forward to looking at the data.

I may have missed it but my Ruger LCR is my dog walking / gym / throw in my pants pocket gun a lot of the time these days. Did I miss it in the list of small revolvers?

Nope, that was my oversight. Good catch! i've added it into the list of options.

[blues]

My reply to the survey is somewhat skewed as I have "home" and "away" guns. S&W 642 for home and walking around distance...but Glocks (26 or 19) for once I set foot in the vehicle to go to town or points beyond.

Since I'm retired and am home more than not, I felt the most accurate reply via the survey parameters was the 642...but I'd otherwise have opted for one or the other Glock.

Just bring this up to show how the survey may not be reflective of daily reality in many cases.

[MGW]

It was a weird year for me. I spent the first four months attempting to transition from Sigs to Beretta. Then I worked hard with Glocks and 1911’s. Didn’t seriously carry a 1911 but tried a 34, 17, 19, 26L, and 19x. Carried my 45c while on vacation and seriously considered making it my full time carry. Even though the 17.5 is my favorite Glock the 19.5 was probably my most carried pistol this year due to work restrictions so that’s how I voted. I had more pistol attention deficit disorder this year than I’ve ever had and I don’t like it one bit.

[Clusterfrack]

2018 was the year of the P-07 for me. With Lehigh XP, I even use it for backcountry carry/bear defense.

[Mike C]

Sure! For now, here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-41X-DtLBJsxDMsZPkSoM98eqccVDOdFFo57P4UI6aA/edit#responses) is the link to the old poll. No longer accepting responses but you should be able to view the tally in the "responses" tab. Let me know if you're not seeing it.

I can't see the results. I just see the no longer taking responses. Thank you again.

[Nephrology]

I can't see the results. I just see the no longer taking responses. Thank you again.

Try here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR-6OXaQXMJOOh52cakssg4-gvWcl-i98I0hpHWfCe0aP3jIm5OXp_HUPH1Xn91Y-o_9NJ9qFrqc5Kh/pubhtml). To view graphs of different breakdowns of the results for 2017, use the blue/gray menu at the top to navigate from chart to chart.

Graph titles may not be obvious and it's been a while since I looked at this data so let me know if you have any questions.

[Sauer Koch]

I went from carrying a 226 or M11 A-1, to buying a P30sk V1 for my wife, and l liked it so much, I bought myself a P30 V1, so I’ll begin carrying it this week.

[Inspector71]

Done. Under the S&W tab, As to model of revolver, I selected “other”, and wrote in “model 60”. Thanks for doing this project. On this forum, I’m probably one of the few that carry a J frame as primary EDC.

[Robinson]

Done.

[RevolverRob]

1! One! ONE! You're getting a PhD for chrissakes! Were the caps not enough?

See, RevolverRob? Decisiveness in the face of uncertainty! Also, the ability to read instructions! This is what you were supposed to do!


Well, it's enough of a gray zone that I won't lose sleep over it. Unlike the above!! NYE ruined! Comical hyperbole!

I like to screw with statistics. #Fauxtrage (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Fauxtrage) #FakeData (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=FakeData)

Just take the Kimber answer and skip the STI.

[WobblyPossum]

Done. Another year primarily carrying the G19 outside the house. 2019 will likely be different due to employment changes.

[MistWolf]

I think action type (Striker Fired, Single Action, TDA etc.) should be sorted differently. Trigger action types can be Single Action, DAO, TDA, or Partially Cocked whether they are striker fired or hammer fired. While the 1911 is a hammer fired single action, the PPQ is a striker fired single action. There are a variety of hammer fired DAO and the VP70z (admittedly out of production and rarely encountered) is a striker fired DAO. The HK LEM is a hammer fired, partially cocked. The P-99 is a striker fired odd combination of any two- or something.
I think the poll would be more informative if we were asked if the handgun had a striker or hammer ignition system, then what trigger action is had. Or the other way around.

The other thing that I'd like to included in the poll is what we carried last year. Last year and for the first half of this year, I carried a PPQ. The second half of this year, I carried a Sig P-365 (which has been shot in place of my larger PPQ with a couple of failure to eject with a particular type of ammo).

[BillSWPA]

Done. No changes from last year. My most common carry gun remains my Glock 26, and likely will for the foreseeable future.

[Yung]

I carried a P10-C from 2017 until around some time in November 2018 when the rear Trijicon came loose and I stripped the set screw. I ordered a 2.5 Wing Claw for the Glock G45 I bought in September and briefly carried a S&W Model 36 again while waiting for the Glock holster to arrive and getting the CZ sights replaced with some Night Fisions.

I very much liked how the new sights shot on the P10-C but getting the holster with DCC clips for a slightly bigger gun with just a little more capacity was enough difference for me to go to a couple matches and a couple classes without much regret. I did think about sending in the P10-C holster to JMCK to get those clips added, but I've already given the gun to a relative and don't want to do any take-backsies.

Probably not going to go for the US-made 2nd gens. I'm actually picking up a second 45 at the end of this week.

[Nephrology]

I like to screw with statistics. #Fauxtrage (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Fauxtrage) #FakeData (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=FakeData)

Just take the Kimber answer and skip the STI.

Will be too much of a PITA to separate out redundant responses so I'll just consider your answers as belonging to Dr Revolver and Mr Rob, respectively

[TMW Trav]

I was carrying a G19 but changed to a non-uniformed position. Nothing wrong with the 19 but I saw an add for shield 9s really cheap on PSA and S&W was offering a 75 dollar rebate, and couldn't resist. I'm now carrying a shield 9 with a little Beretta 950BS as a backup. The Shield 9s accuracy is remarkable and it is easy to carry. Mine isn't a 2.0 and it has a safety but there are tons of them out there and the run great. I carry it with the 8 round mags exclusively and I always have a spare magazine. I also carry the little Beretta but strictly as a backup/last ditch weapon with no spare magazine, maybe that's good or maybe not but its not like I am working Rampart Division.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Done. I'm thankful that you had my outlier option listed.

[b-mac72]

Done and thanks for putting this together

[sharps54]

Done. My only suggestion is to add the option to say you added a SCD to a Glock. I guess I could have put it under aftermarket ignition control parts, if it belonged there add one more to that total please.

[Gun Mutt]

Done, looking forward to reading the results...way cool, dude.

I spent the first quarter of '18 with my G43, went back to the G19 full time for the second quarter then went full j-frame lifestyle with a 442 for the whole second half. And as soon as my DSG arrives, my new edc will be an LCR .22LR. This P-F'ing place will make you do weird shit...and it will inevitably cost you money.

[Joe in PNG]

Nevermind- need mroe coffee.

[tmoore912]

Done. Thanks for doing this again.

[LockedBreech]

Done!

The poll had the option for the M&P 9 Shield but I wrote in the M2.0 Shield. Shifted away from the Glock 43 after a year. No issues, just hand fit and comfort, and a stunning amount of range success with all the M2.0 line.

[GMSweet]

Done for me and my wife who started carrying her M&P Shield last year. This should be my final year with the P320C with a move to the M&P9 2.0C.

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[theJanitor]

done. although I made a huge change in the past few weeks

[Will_H]

Done!

[UniSol]

Done-my answer was a CZ P07, but I had to think about it. Did a fair amount of "carry rotation" last year. One goal this year is to consolidate and shoot more. I'm on the P30SK train now and feel like I have a good carry solution.

[Randy Harris]

Done.

[Oukaapie]

PX4CC carried 70% of the time with G19 and G17 bringing up the rear. Small amount of time spent trying other shit. DA/SA and Gadget won the day over P320, VP9, M&P 2.0 Compact.

[Wonder9]

Done

G43 100%

My only complaints have been no extendo OEM magazines and it still requires a belt IMO.

[Lomshek]

Hit it.

Nothing has changed for me in a couple years.

[zuplex]

Done! Thanks!

I think John Correia at Active Self Protection did a similar poll last year. I'll let y'all know if he does it again.

[olgator]

DONE- good job

[MDFA]

Done, Nice Job with this. 2018 Gen 3 19 with RMR. 2019 Gen 5 19 with RMR.

[Tamara]

Done.

[awmp]

Done, will be interesting to see the final results.

[Det1397]

Done and thanks for your effort!

Let's be safe in 2019...

[Unisaw]

Done. Looking forward to seeing the results.

[Cypher]

I found myself grabbing my Glock 26 most often because I hardly leave the house for extended periods. I'm usually running out to get one thing and coming right back so I don't feel like "gearing up". I ordered a paddle holster and new belt to hopefully make carrying the Glock 19 more convenient.


My Glock 26 is what I carry at home and in an NPE and that accounts for the largest majority of my time.

[Cypher]

Hi all!

It's been a couple years since I did this, but it was well received and only gave me a couple migraines last time, so here it is: the 2018 pistol-forum.com CCW Survey (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72)! Could there possibly be a better way to ring in the new year? If so, well, that was a rhetorical question, so keep your smarmy answers to yourself ;)

Just like the last time this happened, the instructions are pretty simple: pick ONE handgun that, in your estimation, you carried MOST OFTEN in the 2018 calendar year and fill out the poll accordingly. For LEOs or other armed professionals, please select the firearm that you carried most often while not on duty.

I know that there were a few hiccups with the design of my poll last time but I'll be damned if I can remember them. Feel free to post here if you have any issues. I am sure I forgot a handgun model here or there - if it's a reasonably popular model from a major manufacturer, feel free to let me know in this post and I'll try to patch things up.

Just like last time, I'll post stats once I get enough replies and get the free time to put together neat Google charts with the results. I can even compare them side by side with the 2017 results, too! Mighty fancy, I know.

In case you missed it: click here (https://goo.gl/forms/UaEOcF14Kua009P72) to make your wildest dreams come true (and to fill out the survey, too :))

oh, and... Happy New Year!

Is a Glock 26 compact or subcompact?

[Wayne Dobbs]

Survey completed and thanks for doing this! I'm still a Glock 19 guy 95% of the time, although I've transitioned over to a Gen 5 from Gen 3 and have to say, it's very good!

Happy New Year's and hope I see some of you guys at SHOT!

[Doc_Glock]

Survey completed and thanks for doing this! I'm still a Glock 19 guy 95% of the time, although I've transitioned over to a Gen 5 from Gen 3 and have to say, it's very good!


Not to be nosy, but I was under the impression you really loved the VP9. Is the G19 carried due to some other requirement or personal choice? Can take it to PM if you prefer.

[CSW]

Is a Glock 26 compact or subcompact?

...sub...

[Cypher]

...sub...


That's why I asked Nephrology. The survey designates "sub compact" as a 9mm single stack

[BillSWPA]

If a G26 is not a subcompact then I answered incorrectly.



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[Cypher]

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Subcompact (Includes all compact SINGLE stack 9mms, snub-nosed 5 shot revolvers and all 1911 Ultra/Defender models)

I didn't write the question

[Duelist]

I didn't write the question

I answered that with my G26 as subcompact. Assuming the P365 is subcompact, too.

[Nephrology]

Is a Glock 26 compact or subcompact?

Per Glock's terminology, subcompact

[Nephrology]

I didn't write the question

Those are inclusive, not exclusive, specifiers. If a company calls it subcompact, that's a safe bet. I added the single stack clarifier because not all companies call their single stack 9mms subcompact (e.g. Glock "Slimline"). Sorry if that wasn't more clear. The distinction is somewhat arbitrary anyway so it's not something to get wrapped around the axle over.

[Wendell]

Stupid question...

Have you a link to the thread with the results from your last survey?

[Greg]

Done.

No changes for several years. Glock 19.

[Catshooter]

Done and thank you for doing it.

I was disappointed though in that there were lots of Glocks to pick, but no 39. I just know there are tons & tons of Joes like me who carry the 39 . . . :)


Cat

[GMSweet]

Stupid question...

Have you a link to the thread with the results from your last survey?

2016 Survey Thread: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22241-What-do-you-carry-Survey-for-2016&highlight=survey

2017 Survey Thread: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29050-2017-Pistol-Forum-com-CCW-Survey&highlight=survey

[Buckeye63]

Done...,

[JCS]

Thanks for doing this again.

I voted. This was a different year for me as I transitioned to a j frame and g43. I voted j frame because I carried it the most.

I’d love to see a similar thread for HD guns

[BillSWPA]

Or perhaps carry methods?


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[Crazy Dane]

Survey complete. Next years answer will change as long as this P365 holds up, which brings me to the question, how many years have you carried the same or same type of firearm? For me, my primary has been a 1911 variant since 1992. I have dabbled with others and may have carried them for a short while but I have always went back to the 1911.

[Nephrology]

As a quick update, I'll be keeping this poll open for another week or so and then I'll start reporting the results. Cheers!

[lordhamster]

The Glock form is missing my trusty Glock 29. I had to select Glock 20 as it was the closest.

[Catshooter]

I feel your pain lordhamster, I feel it. I wanted to select the Glock 39 as that's what I mostly carried last year: alas I could not.


You and I both know that there has to two or three others in the US who are packin' the same heat as us. I can't imagine how Nephrology could have possibly forgot us, can you?


I feel so left out and abandoned . . .



Cat

[Rex G]

I carried such a mix, in 2018, it was difficult to sort-out. I went with my best guess-timate, my S&W 327 PC snubby.

I also had to guess whether I carried a secondary more than 50% of the time. Reluctantly, I chose “no,” as the best answer for being uncertain. Much of the time, I did carry a J-snub Airlite second weapon.

I have actually ended the year largely carrying a G17, one of my former duty pistols.

To expand, just a bit, in 2018, I mostly carried G19 pistols in January 2018, until the effective date of my retirement on the 27th, with a 1911 being carried on occasion, because I was qualed with those weapons.

As I began retirement, I largely reverted to revolvers, including a 3” GP100, a pair of Airlite J-snubs, a 642-based Airweight J-snub, SP101 snubbies, and the above-mentioned S&W Model 327 PC snubby. If my “primary” was an Airlite or Airweight J, I normally carried a second J. If the 327 PC snubby was primary, I was somewhat less-likely to carry a second handgun. I still carried a full-sized 1911, situationally.

One significant change, is that I started toting bigger blades again, often a fixed blade, especially when a revolver was the “primary” handgun.

Then, in late 2018, I returned to a Glock 9mm as the default/normal carry gun, my Gen4 G17, with night sights, a former duty pistol. I cannot point to any particular event, or other stimulus, that prompted me to feel a need for more on-board ammo. I had cleaned and moth-balled my three Gen4 G19 pistols, and they have remained dormant since late 2017; one reason being that their snappy muzzle flip vexes my gimpy thumb/hand/wrist, whereas a G17 remains pain-free, at this point in time.

Ten days into 2019, full-sized-grip 9mm Glocks are leading contenders for holding the lead, with a new G19x being added this week, and some consideration being given to adding another G17, or other full-sized-grip model, perhaps trading one or two of my Nineteens. (I plan to keep at least one G19, to be Roland-ized/Fauxland-ized.)

[ChaseN]

Done. 9mm P30SK V1. Thinking of switching to V3 TDA as I shoot my TDA USP way better than the LEM P30SK. The shorter USP reset helps with that some though I suppose.

[olstyn]

how many years have you carried the same or same type of firearm?

That would be an interesting addition to the poll. I've carried the same gun since I first got my carry permit. It's reliable, the ergonomics work for me, and I find it easy to conceal. That plus not having the budget to buy and try a bunch of other stuff makes it easy not to change. :)

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

My AIWB belt gun remined a heavy LEM converted USP compact chambered in 40 S&W with the rubbery pinkie hooks ground off the mags.

But my pocket gun gets crried more between days I need deeper concealment, am not feeling too hot, am working in at the kydex bench rather than go out/about, and primarily to/from work in an NPE. My Glock 42 was benched and replaces with a Ruger LCR in 22 LR with boot grips. The Glock ate ate pockets, was intolerant enough of limp wrists that I couldn't be fully confident handing it to another person in a crunch, the pllastic ws delaminating from the steel feed lips in all of my mgs of various ages (my short-time 43 also did this despite next to no carry), I tired of the mag. being able to pop out, and it required more scheduled cleaning thn I enjoyed. Still love the gun but it was time to change.

I wanted something I could reliably hand off if needed, lightweight, low recoil to encourage practice within the family, five shots in a .38 snub isn't quite comforting to me, and be cheaply reloaded for or shot with factory ammo to get up to speed on a new gun as possible. Started with a 22 LR LCR as my new tiny gun as it can double as a DA revolver trainer for the kids and holds eight rounds of something more authoritative than command tone and a compact baton with longer effective range than knife. Will probably pick up a .327 LCR to try out loaded with 32 H&R Mag. but it's honestly a low priority.

The pipsqueak LCR is usully carried in a Mika pocket holster or my own AIWB with a speed strip or two for reload. Lost my Speed Beez loader and they seem to be out of stock so replacement will just hve to wait. I hd preferred it as a reload before doing whtever stupid thing sent it to the void. Do also have a thumb-break leather OWB that I use fair bit when fat biking, hiking, and camping where the active retention plus comfort are much appreciated.

E: Good lord the new phone's screennprotector makes typing a nightmare. Sorry for the rough read but I'll likely break the post harder tying to edit.

[BillSWPA]

My AIWB belt gun remined a heavy LEM converted USP compact chambered in 40 S&W with the rubbery pinkie hooks ground off the mags.

But my pocket gun gets crried more between days I need deeper concealment, am not feeling too hot, am working in at the kydex bench rather than go out/about, and primarily to/from work in an NPE. My Glock 42 was benched and replaces with a Ruger LCR in 22 LR with boot grips. The Glock ate ate pockets, was intolerant enough of limp wrists that I couldn't be fully confident handing it to another person in a crunch, the pllastic ws delaminating from the steel feed lips in all of my mgs of various ages (my short-time 43 also did this despite next to no carry), I tired of the mag. being able to pop out, and it required more scheduled cleaning thn I enjoyed. Still love the gun but it was time to change.

I wanted something I could reliably hand off if needed, lightweight, low recoil to encourage practice within the family, five shots in a .38 snub isn't quite comforting to me, and be cheaply reloaded for or shot with factory ammo to get up to speed on a new gun as possible. Started with a 22 LR LCR as my new tiny gun as it can double as a DA revolver trainer for the kids and holds eight rounds of something more authoritative than command tone and a compact baton with longer effective range than knife. Will probably pick up a .327 LCR to try out loaded with 32 H&R Mag. but it's honestly a low priority.

The pipsqueak LCR is usully carried in a Mika pocket holster or my own AIWB with a speed strip or two for reload. Lost my Speed Beez loader and they seem to be out of stock so replacement will just hve to wait. I hd preferred it as a reload before doing whtever stupid thing sent it to the void. Do also have a thumb-break leather OWB that I use fair bit when fat biking, hiking, and camping where the active retention plus comfort are much appreciated.

E: Good lord the new phone's screennprotector makes typing a nightmare. Sorry for the rough read but I'll likely break the post harder tying to edit.

Wow, that experience with your G42 makes my (100% reliable) Kel-Tec pocket pistols look good.



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[TGS]

Nephrology, time for the results yet?

[JRB]

Same old ho-hum G2 G19 70+% of the time, with either my Beretta M9 or 92FS the other 30% of the time.

My 2019 wants include a Sig M17 and a Glock 19X and/or a G5 G19.

[ChaseN]

Do also have a thumb-break leather OWB that I use fair bit when fat biking, hiking, and camping where the active retention plus comfort are much appreciated.

Man after my own heart!

Though my P30sk rides AIWB with me on the fat bike.

Last weekend:

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[Balisong]

Man after my own heart!

Though my P30sk rides AIWB with me on the fat bike.

Last weekend:

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I've never heard the term "fat biking" before, but that looks really cool!

[ChaseN]

'Tis a blast. I call it my monster truck. I also have a full carbon fiber 6" travel dual suspension mountain bike with Fox remote reservoir shocks that I call my "Raptor" (after the pickup, with similar suspension tech). It absolutely crushes dry trails. But I think I have more fun going slow on the fat bike in the mud & snow. Great exercise for both myself & the dog. The dog definitely prefers the fast bike though :D

Mountain biking in general is what converted me from 1911s and SFA pistols for AIWB carry. I enjoy the fact my P30SK has a 10lb DA trigger pull (I have a decocking LEM :rolleyes:), a hammer block and TWO firing pin blocks in the slide while I'm flinging myself down steep single track.

It's also the reason I evangelize for a single stack p30/p2000 at every opportunity lol

[gtae07]

G19.4, G43, P3AT about 75%, 20%, 5% respectively. Been that way since late 2017 when I got rid of the P320 (was going to say “dropped” :p) and LC9s.

Will soon be trying AIWB, and the 19.4 may become a 19.5MOS and gain an optic later this year. We’ll see.

[olstyn]

I've never heard the term "fat biking" before, but that looks really cool!

It's funny; as someone who prefers road bikes on 25mm or narrower tires, that much rotating mass makes my legs hurt just looking at it!

[revchuck38]

It's funny; as someone who prefers road bikes on 25mm or narrower tires, that much rotating mass makes my legs hurt just looking at it!

Ditto, although my favorite setup is 28mm tires on wide rims so they measure 30mm. Up where you live a fat bike would make sense; down here in Louisiana, not so much.

We probably need to steer this back to the survey...

ETA: Went from CZ-75B to full-size PX4 in '18, and added a P99C as a smaller option. Various S&W K, L, and N frame revolvers made guest appearances, as did my 1.0 M&P45.

[ChaseN]

I also have a 38c road/gravel race bike.* Road biking makes you fit, fat biking makes you STRONG! ;)



* to keep this on-topic, I carry a gadget equipped G43 (soon to be 43x) AIWB on the gravel grinder, due to the more aggressive riding position and substantially lower likelihood of tumbling a great distance in case of a wreck. Would still rather carry a single stack hammer fired HK tho.

[olstyn]

Up where you live a fat bike would make sense; down here in Louisiana, not so much.

Only in the winter, and since I live in the Twin Cities metro area, well, let's just say that winter biking in a city is pretty much miserable (slippery, sloppy, dirty, and cold is not fun), so I gave that up over a decade ago. My winter biking is limited to whatever I can persuade myself to do on an indoor trainer. Re: being on-topic: I made my quota of on-topic posts for this thread a while ago - now I'm just hanging out waiting for the survey results to show up, so I don't feel bad about a little thread drift. :)

[ChaseN]

so I don't feel bad about a little thread drift. :)

You twisted my arm

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*all pistols are secured before celebratory woods beers. In holsters. Where they belong.

[ubervic]

I input my data days ago.

I'm not clear as to the intended purpose of this survey. Yes, there are carry set-ups that are widely known to be robust and reliable. But different humans have different needs/preferences based on many different factors.

Is the purpose of this survey to determine what is more popular? Is it to validate one's selection/preference after seeing those of others? In other words, if any given human carries X at a high level of comfort (not physical but emotional) and can deploy it reliably and skillfully, why would one look to a survey of what other humans carry? Pure curiosity? OK, that's perfectly fine. But what else?

Not pooh-poohing the survey. Just trying to better understand the objective.

[Nephrology]

Nephrology, time for the results yet?

It is indeed - I have been swamped with work and am likely working over this weekend but I'll try to do some analysis on MLK Day. Sorry for the delay folks.

[Tawadc95]

That's pretty cool, nice work!

[LockedBreech]

It is indeed - I have been swamped with work and am likely working over this weekend but I'll try to do some analysis on MLK Day. Sorry for the delay folks.

You're doing this as a favor to us dude, work first, we can wait! :)

[olstyn]

Pure curiosity? OK, that's perfectly fine.

That's my understanding of its purpose. I have never changed what I do based on the results of previous years' surveys, but it is interesting to see the statistics of other people's choices.

[feudist]

Carry a G19, on and off duty, same as I have since 1994. I currently carry a Gen 4 since 2012. I've git a 442 that I carry as a BUG on duty, likewise since 1994.

[dogcaller]

How can we see the results? I did look on multiple pages to try and find the link...

[Cory]

How can we see the results? I did look on multiple pages to try and find the link...

He will post the link when it's finished. Thats how it's been done before anyway.

-Cory

[dogcaller]

He will post the link when it's finished. Thats how it's been done before anyway.

-Cory

Thanks Cory!

[Nephrology]

He will post the link when it's finished. Thats how it's been done before anyway.

-Cory

Correct!

I'm on swing shift both yesterday + today and have a bunch of editing to power through on top of all this, so I can't guarantee I'll get them all done by end of tomorrow, but that is my goal as of now.

Cheers

[StraitR]

Take your time, brother. We appreciate you collecting and culling this data, especially with your busy schedule.

[Btp2332]

Done....

[Nephrology]

Hey all - working on the results now. Sorry for the delay - had to go into lab both days this weekend after not having much of a weekend last week; fell asleep halfway through my 2nd beer Saturday PM :P.

Will put initial results up first, then add on historical comparisons, plus any other analyses folks want that is reasonable.

[Nephrology]

2018 CCW Pistols, by Action (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1815420997&format=interactive)

by Caliber (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=572918441&format=interactive)

by Size (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=415561377&format=interactive)

by Make (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1520161529&format=interactive)

Some early/easy ones for now - gonna look into how to best present models w/o sub-dividing by manufacturer

[Nephrology]

2018 CCW PISTOL; ALL MODELS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1345742043&format=interactive) (hover over each slice to read model name)

[Cory]

Manny Mansfield will not be pleased with the caliber chart.

-Cory

[pangloss]

More people carrying revolvers than .40 S&W or .45ACP. Sure wouldn't have predicted that a decade ago.

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[SAWBONES]

9mm semiautomatic pistols hold the ground.

Thank you for your work, Nephrology, and may your kidneys be blessed. :cool:

[Darth_Uno]

More people carrying revolvers than .40 S&W or .45ACP. Sure wouldn't have predicted that a decade ago.

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I’m gonna wager that what happened was, people slowly admitted that .45 didn’t have an advantage over 9mm, especially if you could carry twice as much ammo. Then people realized you didn’t need to carry twice as much ammo.




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[StraitR]

2018 CCW Pistols, by Action (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1815420997&format=interactive)

by Caliber (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=572918441&format=interactive)

by Size (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=415561377&format=interactive)

by Make (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1520161529&format=interactive)

Some early/easy ones for now - gonna look into how to best present models w/o sub-dividing by manufacturer


2018 CCW PISTOL; ALL MODELS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1345742043&format=interactive) (hover over each slice to read model name)


Always enjoy seeing these results. A few surprises. A few constants. A few trends playing out over the last year, apparent in the poll.

Looking forward to how many 48's populate the 2019 poll.

If I could give you ten likes, I would. Thanks again.

[ranger]

Much more diversity of models than I expected. Expected 9mm to dominate.

[revchuck38]

And more people carry .45 ACP than carry .40 S&W. Wouldn't have predicted that a decade ago, either.

I wonder just how representative we are of the population of legal gun carriers?

[Rex G]

Thanks, Dr. Neph!

For a preview of the 2019 exercise, I am still trending 9mm full-sized Glock.

[Nephrology]

2017 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR-6OXaQXMJOOh52cakssg4-gvWcl-i98I0hpHWfCe0aP3jIm5OXp_HUPH1Xn91Y-o_9NJ9qFrqc5Kh/pubchart?oid=196808046&format=interactive) vs 2018 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=1520161529&format=interactive) by make

2017 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR-6OXaQXMJOOh52cakssg4-gvWcl-i98I0hpHWfCe0aP3jIm5OXp_HUPH1Xn91Y-o_9NJ9qFrqc5Kh/pubchart?oid=61985812&format=interactive) vs 2018 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSRqMn5D_dGvUkeugtoKMeKfaBRf_hUe8SY_uZ6shRCInZvi6-E4rAmY5RZlF9TXVIi6hH7jFLibK7l/pubchart?oid=572918441&format=interactive) by caliber

[GAP]

And more people carry .45 ACP than carry .40 S&W. Wouldn't have predicted that a decade ago, either.

I wonder just how representative we are of the population of legal gun carriers?

Extremely small.. most are rocking small .380’s and single stack 9mm’s.

[Nephrology]

FYI - total # of respondents is 683.

[BN]

And again nearly half are carrying a 9mm Glock. I wonder if they all are hitting to the left? :)

Thanks for your work. Pretty interesting.

[Rex G]

And more people carry .45 ACP than carry .40 S&W. Wouldn't have predicted that a decade ago, either.



Folks tend to age-out of being able to tolerate .40 Snap & Whip, in my opinion. I know I did. .45 ACP has quite a bit of total recoil, and can be fatiguing to shoot, in quantity, but, per shot, seems less violent than .40 S&W.

[SAWBONES]

Folks tend to age-out of being able to tolerate .40 Snap & Whip, in my opinion. I know I did. .45 ACP has quite a bit of total recoil, and can be fatiguing to shoot, in quantity, but, per shot, seems less violent than .40 S&W.

Agree.

Round for round, .45 Auto has more of a "rolling push" type of felt recoil than the sharper .40 Snap & Whip :p.
While .45 Auto is slower to shoot than 9mm, and also more fatiguing, it's still less fatiguing than the .40, IME.

I note incidentally from Neprology's data that the percentage of respondents using 1911-pattern pistols was twice as high in 2018 as in 2017; seems like it's a perennially popular pistol design, even if old-fashioned.

Not that anything else compares to Glocks in 9mm.

[Bucky]

Less people are using .40s and .45s. At the same time, more people in the country are walking around in vagina hats. Coincidence?!

[Balisong]

Less people are using .40s and .45s. At the same time, more people in the country are walking around in vagina hats. Coincidence?!

I wish there was a button for "love the shit out of this post" haha. I don't find the .40 to be any kind of punishing to shoot in HKs. But in the pretty near future I will begrudgingly shift to 9. It is getting increasingly difficult to justify the extra cost of ammo for .40 vs 9, and I want to do a lot of shooting. I have reloader and gear, but I'm hesitant to reload 40 due to it being a high pressure round and the cases having short reloading lives from what I gather.

ETA: when I got into pistols in 2000, .40 ammo was only $1 more per box vs like branded 9mm.

[pangloss]

I wonder just how representative we are of the population of legal gun carriers?

Relative to the the number of guns sold per year, Taurus pistols seem to be absent from out midst.



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[Darth_Uno]

Less people are using .40s and .45s. At the same time, more people in the country are walking around in vagina hats. Coincidence?!

I’m gonna give this an early vote for Post Of The Year.


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[BillSWPA]

Less people are using .40s and .45s. At the same time, more people in the country are walking around in vagina hats. Coincidence?!

Not necessarily a “like” but definitely a ROFLMAO!

I don’t see what .40 does better than 9 other than blow up guns: I enjoy shooting .45 but when I compare the ease of carrying a 9mm Glock to my .45 1911, as well as the capacity difference, I just don’t see a reason to tote around a .45.



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[Doc_Glock]

Neat to see HK and Beretta neck and neck and possibly over represented compared to the general shooting population.

[Balisong]

Neat to see HK and Beretta neck and neck and possibly over represented compared to the general shooting population.

Yeah and I'm actually shocked to see more HK than Beretta. Judging just by discussions here I would have thought way more Beretta carriers than HK.

I'm curious to see of Sig use will go up this year due to the 365 and other recent offerings.

[Cory]

Yeah and I'm actually shocked to see more HK than Beretta. Judging just by discussions here I would have thought way more Beretta carriers than HK.

I'm curious to see of Sig use will go up this year due to the 365 and other recent offerings.

I think you'll see that next year. I voted Glock, it's what I carried most. Next year it wont be. Takes some time for the discussion to influence people, and time to get a new carry set up.

-Cory

[revchuck38]

I wish there was a button for "love the shit out of this post" haha. I don't find the .40 to be any kind of punishing to shoot in HKs. But in the pretty near future I will begrudgingly shift to 9. It is getting increasingly difficult to justify the extra cost of ammo for .40 vs 9, and I want to do a lot of shooting. I have reloader and gear, but I'm hesitant to reload 40 due to it being a high pressure round and the cases having short reloading lives from what I gather.

ETA: when I got into pistols in 2000, .40 ammo was only $1 more per box vs like branded 9mm.

It depends on how you load it. Fast powders and jacketed bullets loaded to factory velocities can get pretty western. IME, medium-speed powders (Unique and CFE-P in my case) and coated or uncoated lead bullets will yield factory velocities with less powder than jacketed bullet starting loads with the same powder.

My lone .40 is an M&P, and I don't find it particularly punishing to shoot. My perception is that a majority of complaints about heavy/sharp recoil in .40s come from folks who've been shooting it in Glocks rather than other guns.

Am I the only one here who remembers when it was .40 Short & Weak instead of .40 Snap & Whip? :)

[spinmove_]

It depends on how you load it. Fast powders and jacketed bullets loaded to factory velocities can get pretty western. IME, medium-speed powders (Unique and CFE-P in my case) and coated or uncoated lead bullets will yield factory velocities with less powder than jacketed bullet starting loads with the same powder.

My lone .40 is an M&P, and I don't find it particularly punishing to shoot. My perception is that a majority of complaints about heavy/sharp recoil in .40s come from folks who've been shooting it in Glocks rather than other guns.

Am I the only one here who remembers when it was .40 Short & Weak instead of .40 Snap & Whip? :)

I’m still surprised at how well the M&P platform handles and manages the .40S&W cartridge. I mean, shooting an M&P9 and an M&P40 are obviously different experiences, but if I actually had to seriously look at a platform specifically for shooting that cartridge I’d have a hard time coming up with a ton more platforms to consider apart from M&Ps, HKs, and 2011s.


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[Glenn E. Meyer]

Great job. A result for the grip angle, carry a 1911, how about a revolver, etc. threads.

Thanks!

[Navin Johnson]

I'm curious to see of Sig use will go up this year due to the 365 and other recent offerings.[/QUOTE]

If one is unable to get LE built guns no serious person is likely to purchase let alone carry a SIG product......

[LockedBreech]

I thought I was an outlier having shifted to the Smith M2.0 system for all my carry, but looks like we're silver medal behind Glock. Much bigger slice than I would have guessed. Not such how much of that is J-Frames and how much is the 2.0 Compact and Shield. For me it's the 2.0 Shield and 2.0 Compact 9mms.

I really enjoy this data set just like last year. Very informative for discussions on this forum. Thanks again, Nephrology.

[Old Man Winter]

FN you gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.

[BillSWPA]

What surprises me most is the number of revolvers. Given the availability of tiny .380 and not quite as tiny 9mm pistols, I have a hard time seeing a place for a revolver. Some have expressed a belief that a revolver's shape conceals better in a pocket, and I guess more have had that experience than I would have thought.

[spinmove_]

What surprises me most is the number of revolvers. Given the availability of tiny .380 and not quite as tiny 9mm pistols, I have a hard time seeing a place for a revolver. Some have expressed a belief that a revolver's shape conceals better in a pocket, and I guess more have had that experience than I would have thought.

Given the LCP’s svelte yet still decidedly autoloader “square” shape, I’m still mildly tempted to snag a 642 with an Aholster and give it a go. Worst case scenario: I’d have a snazzy J-frame.


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[Nephrology]

You know, the [chart] tag I created for you last year still works. :)

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Oh snap. Nice! I will post the rest accordingly.

Which, BTW, will wait until this coming weekend - I am shadowing a cardiothoracic surgeon and an interventional radiologist this week (waking up at 3:30am tomorrow and Fri) am still beat from last week. Let me know if anyone has any specific questions they think can be answered by this data.

[JAD]

You know, the [chart] tag I created for you last year still works. :)

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[Balisong]

It depends on how you load it. Fast powders and jacketed bullets loaded to factory velocities can get pretty western. IME, medium-speed powders (Unique and CFE-P in my case) and coated or uncoated lead bullets will yield factory velocities with less powder than jacketed bullet starting loads with the same powder.

My lone .40 is an M&P, and I don't find it particularly punishing to shoot. My perception is that a majority of complaints about heavy/sharp recoil in .40s come from folks who've been shooting it in Glocks rather than other guns.

Am I the only one here who remembers when it was .40 Short & Weak instead of .40 Snap & Whip? :)

Cool thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind.
And I agree. I definitely feel the .40 in a glock. But I cut my teeth on .40 with a Ruger P94 and then a Sig 229. I can and have shot those all day long with no problem. Same now with HK.

[Totem Polar]

What surprises me most is the number of revolvers. Given the availability of tiny .380 and not quite as tiny 9mm pistols, I have a hard time seeing a place for a revolver. Some have expressed a belief that a revolver's shape conceals better in a pocket, and I guess more have had that experience than I would have thought.

.38/.357 is the largest chunk of what’s left over from the hordes of 9mm shooters. Interesting.

[olstyn]

.38/.357 is the largest chunk of what’s left over from the hordes of 9mm shooters. Interesting.

Clearly we just need to get those folks some moon clip 9mm revolvers... :)

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

I load 40 S&W hot enough to velocity match my Federal 180 grain HST carry load. Works out to a high middle load of Hodgdon HS-6 and have had zero issues and my brass has a decent lifespan, usually getting to corroded, dinged, cracked case mouth (rare), or lost before any actual issues arise. Lighter loads would be fine and I have a particular fondness for the occasional batch of sedate155 grain lead semi-wadcutters. Far from a sample of one gun, to boot:

- Beretta 96 (sold to a friend but still shoot it on occasion when we meet up for range day and use my loads when I do)

- Beretta 96D

- Beretta PX4 compact

- Glock 23

- Glock 27

- Hi-Point 4095TS

- HK USP

- HK USP compact

- S&W Shield

The only issue I have run into has been Missouri Bullet Company's Hi-Tek coated bullets in polygonal rifling. At HST velocity, they lead. No such issues with jacketed, plated, Eggleston polymer coated, or my home cast and powder coated bullets sized to 0.401 inch. If anything, I have found the Short & Weak to run significantly more smoothly through my Dillon than 9x19mm and with fewer bobbles than 380 ACP.

But I definitely understand the hesitance to start loading forty caliber. Put off 357 Sig for a couple years for sinilar concern but even that isn't bad though I'm too early into it to get a feel for case life.

[Screwball]

Clearly we just need to get those folks some moon clip 9mm revolvers... :)

Did that about four years ago... [emoji41]

https://i.imgur.com/rHaiERP.jpg

[LockedBreech]

What surprises me most is the number of revolvers. Given the availability of tiny .380 and not quite as tiny 9mm pistols, I have a hard time seeing a place for a revolver. Some have expressed a belief that a revolver's shape conceals better in a pocket, and I guess more have had that experience than I would have thought.

I don't currently have a revolver in my carry system, I have the LCP for non-permissive environments, the Shield 2.0 for general carry, and the Compact 2.0 for winter/heavy clothes carry, but I have to confess I do sometimes get the itch for a revolver. The absolute simplicity has something to say for it, and the trigger on the LCR is nice enough that I want one. I did own and did NOT like the 642, the unpadded backstrap was murder. Maybe I should have tried a different grip before ditching it though.

The ability to fire from inside the pocket is a plus, too, but I can't imagine that comes up very frequently in real-world situations. However, the ability to fire point blank pressed into an assailant's body seems much more likely, which is a point for revolvers.

Like you, though, I am surprised at exactly HOW popular they are.

[Powderburn]

What surprises me most is the number of revolvers. Given the availability of tiny .380 and not quite as tiny 9mm pistols, I have a hard time seeing a place for a revolver. Some have expressed a belief that a revolver's shape conceals better in a pocket, and I guess more have had that experience than I would have thought.

I've heard that as well but it isn't my experience. When I pocket carry in public it's an LCP in the right front 75% of the time. Now and then it's an LC9s or 642. In a proper pocket holster, even most gun guys can't tell what the LCP is. Anyone who looks closely sees a thin, rectangular item, perhaps a phone, notebook or wallet. Likewise with the LC9, only a bit larger. The J frame makes a noticeable bulge that I generally don't worry about because most people wouldn't associate it with a gun, but it is definitely not "normal." About the only time a J frame completely blends is in baggy cargo shorts, for me anyway. Also, due to its greater length compared the LCP, the J frame's butt can peek out of some pockets.

I'm a relative newbie here and didn't find this thread in time to answer the survey. A G27 carried IWB is my most common companion while out and about. Sometimes stock, sometimes with a 9mm conversional barrel and a 12 round Mag Pul mag. A friend and I (also a P-F member who has the same setup) call that a G26.5 or G26 1/2. Next in line is the 642. A G23 (either stock or with a 9mm bbl) or LC9 or go when the mood strikes.

[Totem Polar]

Like you, though, I am surprised at exactly HOW popular they are.

6 percent of P-F will probably get kilt/streetz this year. Been nice knowing y’all.

[CCT125US]

Thanks for putting this together. I find it interesting that 5, or .8% of respondents came to the same conclusion as to which firearm to carry.

[GAP]

Given the LCP’s svelte yet still decidedly autoloader “square” shape, I’m still mildly tempted to snag a 642 with an Aholster and give it a go. Worst case scenario: I’d have a snazzy J-frame.


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I have both and use both, in limited situations where a G26 doesn’t work.

I believe the 642 with wadcutters is the more accurate of the two guns. The LCP works better if I need the smallest and thinnest possible footprint.

[Larryrickenbacker]

Howdy,

I'm fairly new to the forum and learned that I'm too late to respond. If I may, I'll say that most of the time I carried my Beretta Px4 Storm subcompact (.40 S&W) in 2018.

[BillSWPA]

I've heard that as well but it isn't my experience. When I pocket carry in public it's an LCP in the right front 75% of the time. Now and then it's an LC9s or 642. In a proper pocket holster, even most gun guys can't tell what the LCP is. Anyone who looks closely sees a thin, rectangular item, perhaps a phone, notebook or wallet. Likewise with the LC9, only a bit larger. The J frame makes a noticeable bulge that I generally don't worry about because most people wouldn't associate it with a gun, but it is definitely not "normal." About the only time a J frame completely blends is in baggy cargo shorts, for me anyway. Also, due to its greater length compared the LCP, the J frame's butt can peek out of some pockets.

I'm a relative newbie here and didn't find this thread in time to answer the survey. A G27 carried IWB is my most common companion while out and about. Sometimes stock, sometimes with a 9mm conversional barrel and a 12 round Mag Pul mag. A friend and I (also a P-F member who has the same setup) call that a G26.5 or G26 1/2. Next in line is the 642. A G23 (either stock or with a 9mm bbl) or LC9 or go when the mood strikes.

I am also in the camp that has not found revolvers to conceal better in a pocket than a small semiauto.



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[Rex G]

It is not that revolvers conceal better in pockets, for me, but that, depending upon the size/shape of the pocket, getting my hand onto the grip of a revolver is little smoother, and, in the case of spur-less-hammer and Centennial-type revolvers, getting the revolver cleared from the pocket is generally smoother. (I do not carry “primary” in a pocket, except sometimes when walking the dogs.)

I also find that some revolvers fit my inguinal crease notably better than most autos, for AIWB carry, and this does not mean only smaller revolvers. I was AIWB-ing revolvers in the Eighties; AIWB is nothing new. :cool:

It is not that I am a die-hard, revolver-only guy. My first handgun was a 1911, in late 1982 or early 1983, at which time I saw revolvers as quaint antiques. I had to add DA revolvers by late 1983, when I started a police academy, as specified DA .357 revolvers were required, and I had to carry only DA revolvers, on and off the clock, for my year as a street patrol officer, March 1984 to March 1985. Well, gosh darn it, I learned that revolvers are fun, too. :)

[Powderburn]

It is not that revolvers conceal better in pockets, for me, but that, depending upon the size/shape of the pocket, getting my hand onto the grip of a revolver is little smoother...

No argument there.


I also find that some revolvers fit my inguinal crease notably better than most autos, for AIWB carry...

Let's just say that I don't have the physique for true AIWB carry. :o I do carry a j frame "semi-AIWB" though. Somewhere around 1:15-1:30. Comfortable and virtually invisible.


...revolvers are fun... :)

Preach on, brother!

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

One thing I particularly like about wheelguns for pocket carry is that they will never pop a magazine loose and become a single-shot until reset.

[DonGlock26]

If my math is right, 42.8% of respondents carry some version of Glock 9mm pistol as their CCW.

A poll of carry loads would also be interesting. FWIW- I use Federal HST 124gr standard pressure 9mm and Hornady Custom XTP .380
for my CCW pistols.

[Nephrology]

Hey all - sorry I never really did too much with this data. Have gotten really busy with a lot of stuff at work/in my personal life so shooting, forums, etc are taking a back seat.

However, if someone else is more interested and ambitious than I am, here is a link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N3phz0WFlgKHH8BRlIjjMyk7tdeMo08EOycgdmXBetQ/edit?usp=sharing) to the raw data ( read only). Feel free to do what you will with it!

[Screwball]

Yay! Only one running a 9mm revolver. [emoji41][emoji106]

[Corey]

Yay! Only one running a 9mm revolver. [emoji41][emoji106]

This just makes your username more appropriate:cool:

[Screwball]

Haters gonna hate... and ain’ters gonna ain’t. [emoji6]

[Tom Duffy]

Yay! Only one running a 9mm revolver. [emoji41][emoji106]
Which one?

[Screwball]

Which one?

S&W 642-1, converted with a Pinnacle cylinder.

[Balisong]

Yay! Only one running a 9mm revolver. [emoji41][emoji106]

How come they're not more popular than .38 in this day and age? I don't know hardly anything at all about J frames but aren't there quite a few 9mm options?

[HeavyDuty]

S&W 642-1, converted with a Pinnacle cylinder.

Would love to learn more about this... I wonder if my 442 would be convertible?

[Screwball]

How come they're not more popular than .38 in this day and age? I don't know hardly anything at all about J frames but aren't there quite a few 9mm options?

Definitely a big discussion with that question...

Main reasons... better semi-auto options, lack of support from manufacturers, and people wanting to stick with tried/true.

I converted my revolver mainly because I wanted to start consolidating around 9mm. Didn’t really work out, as my P938 never really replaced the LCP (.380). Not to mention my larger gun is a Glock 30S. It did get .38 Special out of the equation, as I preferred 9mm performance... not to mention more positive extraction with the moon clips (9mm casings clear the cylinder on ejection, .38s... depending on grip, can get caught up; reloads are also shorter in comparison, which is another plus).

I also didn’t like the 9mm options available when I switched. The LCR was out, but not the LCRx... which I might have swapped over if it were (rather the exposed hammer, but also didn’t want to have to get new holsters and train on a vastly different trigger for the same DAO revolver). But I compared my 642-1 to my father’s .357 LCR... which the 9mm is identical. A LOT heavier! My 642-1 is an Airweight, which carrying is night and day compared to the 9mm LCR... and even the original 940 that S&W had poor experience with.

But moving away from weight... it is a five shot revolver. My P938 with flush magazine holds 6, with another in the chamber (40% increase). P365 blows it away, without a reload. That is part of why companies really don’t go full throttle with the 9mm in a revolver. Then add in crimp jump, which is a problem on certain rounds (Hornady is good to go with crimps, and UMC bulk doesn’t cause an issue within a cylinder... which is all you really need). If it would sell... they would have put it out. But S&W also doesn’t see a 10mm M&P being a smart move... so they might just be asleep at the wheel.

S&W had a poor experience with the 940, and with someone in the industry (Clapp) telling them that nobody would buy the prototype “942” they sent him... research dollars went elsewhere. Was mentioned in other threads... don’t remember if here or another forum... that S&W likely couldn’t build 3rd Generation guns if they responded to requests for them. While they may be able to put out revolvers now... I feel the art of producing revolvers is definitely past it’s time (two-piece barrels, MIM parts... all make production easier, but quality does go down). That was why I “made” my revolver. It is also why I don’t buy newer S&W revolvers anymore.

Small revolvers are not the easiest firearms to shoot. Sights suck, recoil is perceived worse than larger pistols, and it usually takes a lot of dedication to run them proficiently. Can even say that about guns like the LCP... because it is extremely easier to shoot my P938 compared to the LCP. Why put the effort when you can put in less and become better with a pretty compact semi-auto? Not a jab at anyone, but L/E moved from revolvers for a reason. I’m sure if you ask people who primarily carry a revolver, “why,” you’ll get everything other than it is superior to a Glock/SIG/whatever else. I’m probably not your typical revolver shooter, being I’m just got into the start of my fourth decade on Earth (30s)... but I really do appreciate them. While I like common semi-autos, and will continue buying them when I leave a state that wipes it’s ass with the 2nd Amendment... my last handgun purchase was a Colt 1917 revolver. My next likely will be a S&W 1917 to match it. C&R license makes out of state pistol purchases possible, bypassing NJ pistol purchase permits (refuse to give them anymore money than I must), but I think I’d still have bought the Colt. And likely the same with the S&W.


Would love to learn more about this... I wonder if my 442 would be convertible?

I’ll link you my original thread from S&W forum... but there is also that TK 9mm Conversion thread. Pretty much, cylinders are cut for 9mm/moonclips.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/438321-my-9mm-642-1-a.html

I’ve posted a few times, but before I get strung up... do your research into it. I had a guy on another forum tell me how dangerous it was, and played like it was super secret squirrel s*** that he asked an engineer at S&W when he was talking at a trade show. If you find that thread (I’m a variation of this user name on any forum I post on... maybe with a 216 following it), I pointed out my skepticism about it.

Gun was rated for .38 +P. 9mm has higher pressure. However, these conversions go back to at least 2008 (S&W Forum is a good source of info). Mine has been in my revolver since 2015... going on four years. No issues... however, I run standard pressure 147 grain in it (I think +P is asking for problems, but some guys with 360 frames do it).

If you want to go back and forth, I recommend getting another cylinder, converting, and having it fitted. 9mm converted cylinders will shoot .38s, but possibly will stick and/or cases bulge.

Mods, sorry for the thread drift. No issue answering questions in PM or in another thread... but going to try to let it go back to the survey.

[idahojess]

nevermind --

[Balisong]

I totally get the reasons for the small 9mm autos vs J frames. I should have specified that I was curious about the large number of folks that rock small revolvers and why more of them don't go with 9 instead of 38, given that 9 has apparently won the "caliber war" and is much cheaper than 38 ammo. I didn't know about the crimp issues, so that could explain a lot of it. I'm pretty sure at one point the Ruger SP101 was available in 9mm. Not sure if it still is, or if that's even considered a J frame.

[CleverNickname]

I'm pretty sure at one point the Ruger SP101 was available in 9mm. Not sure if it still is, or if that's even considered a J frame.

Yep. https://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5783.html

A J-frame is a specific size of S&W revolver frame. It doesn't mean "small revolver." So no, a Ruger can never be a J-frame.

[Malamute]

I totally get the reasons for the small 9mm autos vs J frames. I should have specified that I was curious about the large number of folks that rock small revolvers and why more of them don't go with 9 instead of 38, given that 9 has apparently won the "caliber war" and is much cheaper than 38 ammo. I didn't know about the crimp issues, so that could explain a lot of it. I'm pretty sure at one point the Ruger SP101 was available in 9mm. Not sure if it still is, or if that's even considered a J frame.

Whatever perceived advantage a 9 may have in paper ballistics in a small revolver hasnt outweighed the large amount of 38 brass and ammo Ive had since long before I owned a 9. Ammo costs more in the 9 because id have to buy it or get components and load it to be cheap, I already own more 38 brass than I can wear out in my lifetime and a lot of it is already loaded. The Colt D frames are 38, 38s work well with speed loaders and speed strips and use ammo I have around for other guns. My 9 use is pretty limited.