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JBP55
12-15-2018, 12:40 PM
The owner of a Glock Blue Label Distributor told me Glock will have something new at S H OT but he signed an NDA and can not discuss it before S H O T.

JHC
12-15-2018, 01:17 PM
The owner of a Glock Blue Label Distributor told me Glock will have something new at S H OT but he signed an NDA and can not discuss it before S H O T.

Something or somethings?

Guinnessman
12-15-2018, 01:39 PM
My guess is a 10 shot, single stack 9mm that will make CCWers rejoice!:cool:

HCM
12-15-2018, 01:39 PM
G45 MOS would be an easy one.

Gen 5 G22 would also be easy as they are already selling them to the Brazilian cops.

MistWolf
12-15-2018, 01:43 PM
Glock will be unveiling their entry into the 1911 market.

SeriousStudent
12-15-2018, 01:46 PM
G45 MOS + Aimpoint Acro P-1 = WIN.

LOKNLOD
12-15-2018, 01:47 PM
My guess is a 10 shot, single stack 9mm that will make CCWers rejoice!:cool:

"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.

HCM
12-15-2018, 01:52 PM
"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.

Unless they live in NY, NJ, CA, or those poor bastards in MA who can’t even buy new Glocks.

Given the fact that glock cannot produce a reliable 10 round magazine for anything other than the G26, a G19 sized single stack based on longer G43 mags is a reasonable idea.

cornstalker
12-15-2018, 01:52 PM
"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.

"This Glock 43 would be so much better if it had a longer barrel and held four more rounds!," said...tens of thousands of CCW'ers

:D

TheNewbie
12-15-2018, 01:59 PM
DA/SA Glocks in all sizes. Has to be the case.

Drang
12-15-2018, 02:00 PM
Glock will be unveiling their entry into the revolver market.

:cool:

LOKNLOD
12-15-2018, 02:02 PM
"This Glock 43 would be so much better if it had a longer barrel and held four more rounds!," said...tens of thousands of CCW'ers

:D

At which point it's a low-cap G19.

To be fair, I thought the G19X/G45 size was dumb too, so clearly I have my finger on the pulse of the market. :D

Larry Sellers
12-15-2018, 02:03 PM
Preach!
Unless they live in NY, NJ, CA, or those poor bastards in MA who can’t even buy new Glocks.

Given the fact that glock cannot produce a reliable 10 round magazine for anything other than the G26, a G19 sized single stack based on longer G43 mags is a reasonable idea.

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Dorsai
12-15-2018, 02:05 PM
We don't know what the Glock 44 is. It might not even be a gun, but odds are it is. There is a market for a thin, single stack 9mm for those who want a slimmer gun for concealed carry, and in those states that are limited in magazine capacity. So imagine a G43 that is scaled up in barrel and grip length. I don't think they'll release a G45MOS until 2020. They want to sell the current version for a year the same way they sold the G42 in .380 for year and then introduced the G43 in 9mm...which a lot of G42 purchasers had wanted in the first place.

I would also like to see one of the Polymer80 frames with a Glock 17 grip length to fit the Glock 19 slide, i.e. a Gen3 style G19x or G45. That combo doesn't interest me a lot except that I have a G19 slide with an RMR and compensator. Overall length is a shade (RCH) less than a G34 and I'd actually like it better with a longer grip. That has nothing to do with anything Glock is likely to release, but hey, it would be nice.

Chance
12-15-2018, 02:19 PM
Rumors are a ten round G43X and a single-stack G19.

shakazulu12
12-15-2018, 02:26 PM
I had all but settled on a 19.5 MOS and a 45 for the two GSSF certs I need to burn. Maybe worth waiting a few weeks just in case. There had been posts on some Glock forums mentioning the same rumors for a couple weeks now. It could simply be another combination of parts to make another sub-model as well though.

Polecat
12-15-2018, 02:29 PM
I think if you made the 43 grip the length of say vickers +2 and widend it just a tad, you could get 10 in there. I would buy both a thin 19 and a G43 with more capacity. Even if the G43 was a bit wider, it is small front to back and the overall grip would still be nice.

HCM
12-15-2018, 02:38 PM
I think if you made the 43 grip the length of say vickers +2 and widend it just a tad, you could get 10 in there. I would buy both a thin 19 and a G43 with more capacity. Even if the G43 was a bit wider, it is small front to back and the overall grip would still be nice.

SIG makes that, it’s called a P365.

LSP552
12-15-2018, 02:48 PM
Rumors are a ten round G43X and a single-stack G19.

Single stack 19 would be interesting IF they have enough pixie dust to make a reliable magazine.....

How about a workable 10 rd magazine for something other than a G26.

cornstalker
12-15-2018, 02:50 PM
SIG makes that, it’s called a P365.

I think the track record on that one speaks for itself.

I hope Glock puts out something in that category that works.

Bucky
12-15-2018, 03:00 PM
"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.

... and 8 less ounces and 20 % more slender. :)

HCM
12-15-2018, 03:03 PM
I think the track record on that one speaks for itself.

I hope Glock puts out something in that category that works.

S&W was doing this with the shield before the G43. If they could make it work with their hybrid polymer/metal lined mags they would have done it in the 42/43. Not gonna happen.

Wake27
12-15-2018, 03:10 PM
Single stack 19 would be interesting IF they have enough pixie dust to make a reliable magazine.....

How about a workable 10 rd magazine for something other than a G26.

At least the PMAG variant works (IME).


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okie john
12-15-2018, 03:24 PM
Carbine.


Okie John

Radar Love
12-15-2018, 03:47 PM
Carbine.

Something like a Glock version of the B&T USW would make me happy

fatdog
12-15-2018, 03:57 PM
G46, it will be Gen 5 G17 slide on G19 grip frame...the reverse of the G45 combo...:rolleyes:

nalesq
12-15-2018, 04:00 PM
I have long wished for a Glock factory .22LR.


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Totem Polar
12-15-2018, 04:08 PM
Rumors are a ten round G43X and a single-stack G19.

A difference without much distinction, between the two, no?

That said, a G43 with a longer grip and even 2-3 more rounds in the stock magzine, as well as 3/4" more barrell and sight radius would be great fun.

MistWolf
12-15-2018, 05:09 PM
Glock will be unveiling their entry into the revolver market.


:cool:

Who wants a revolver that'll hit you in the forehead with ejected brass?

UNK
12-15-2018, 05:17 PM
I think the track record on that one speaks for itself.

I hope Glock puts out something in that category that works.
You might want to check the 365 thread

Bucky
12-15-2018, 05:20 PM
G46, it will be Gen 5 G17 slide on G19 grip frame...the reverse of the G45 combo...:rolleyes:

The G46 is a G19 sized gun with a rotating barrel.

Duces Tecum
12-15-2018, 05:24 PM
I'll play wish-along. I'd like to see Gen-5s in .45ACP.

HCM
12-15-2018, 05:31 PM
You might want to check the 365 thread

The latest version passed our agency testing and is now an approvedoff duty / BUG option.

No idea how many tweets and revisions it took to get there but that just reinforces the “don’t be a beta tester” mantra.

Drang
12-15-2018, 05:36 PM
Who wants a revolver that'll hit you in the forehead with ejected brass?
33281

TheNewbie
12-15-2018, 05:38 PM
I'll play wish-along. I'd like to see Gen-5s in .45ACP.

Yep that would be interesting.


A single stack .45 ACP would be tempting as well.

APS-PF
12-15-2018, 05:41 PM
I hope it's a longer/taller G43 rather than Glock trying to work magazine magic to compete with the 365 and creating a two year bug fix period.

echo5charlie
12-15-2018, 05:54 PM
G46, it will be Gen 5 G17 slide on G19 grip frame...the reverse of the G45 combo...:rolleyes:

Actually I would like to see the real G46 make a US debut.

HCM
12-15-2018, 05:58 PM
Actually I would like to see the real G46 make a US debut.

A G46 MOS would be interesting. One of the advantages of the rotating barrel vs traditional browning tilt lock up is the gun shooting flatter which is useful on RDS Guns.

TheNewbie
12-15-2018, 06:11 PM
I am getting more and more excited about Shot Show.

psalms144.1
12-15-2018, 06:13 PM
I'll play wish-along. I'd like to see Gen-5s in .45ACP.I know we're not supposed to just say "+1" to stuff, but, fuck it - +1!

cornstalker
12-15-2018, 06:20 PM
You might want to check the 365 thread

That's precisely how I formed my opinion...

I sure hope whatever Glock rolls out is nowhere near the trainwreck that the 365 was/is/might be, might not be.

CCT125US
12-15-2018, 06:20 PM
I'm just over here thinking, "When will HK put a pic rail on the USP9c"?


Glock certainly seems to be putting out new products, making many happy. Even if I don't get it, plenty seem to.

Chemsoldier
12-15-2018, 07:02 PM
Yep that would be interesting.


A single stack .45 ACP would be tempting as well.

Ug...i really dont want to go back to the Gen4 roll out days where they would hint at coolness and new guns and then, "oh look a Gen4 version of an old model...hooray." please let it be a newer concept for Glock ala the G45.

ubervic
12-15-2018, 07:18 PM
Extraordinarily much ado about nothing, as nothing has been seen or shared yet. :)

And yet, I'll throw my hat into the proverbial ring, expressing publicly my hope for an official G17k, which I would purchase sight unseen.

HCM
12-15-2018, 07:23 PM
Ug...i really dont want to go back to the Gen4 roll out days where they would hint at coolness and new guns and then, "oh look a Gen4 version of an old model...hooray." please let it be a newer concept for Glock ala the G45.

In fairness to Glock, the Gen 5 G22 they made for the Brazilians is actually something New. A Gen 5 17/22 frame with a heavier / wider G37/45 GAP slide but a .40 barrel and breachface.

This is what many knowledgeable gun people said the Glock 40 caliber guns should have been in the first place.

Palmguy
12-15-2018, 07:29 PM
Hope to see a Gen5 41.

TheNewbie
12-15-2018, 07:30 PM
In fairness to Glock, the Gen 5 G22 they made for the Brazilians is actually something New. A Gen 5 17/22 frame with a heavier / wider G37/45 GAP slide but a .40 barrel and breachface.

This is what many knowledgeable gun people said the Glock 40 caliber guns should have been in the first place.



That's interesting. Thanks for the info.



Wonder how long the GAP will stay around.

CleverNickname
12-15-2018, 07:32 PM
Unless they live in NY, NJ, CA, or those poor bastards in MA who can’t even buy new Glocks.
California is stuck with existing Gen 3 models too, since those are the only ones on the list. It's a big reason why Glock is still making Gen 3 9mm's. So a new single-stack 10-round gun won't do much for them.

El Cid
12-15-2018, 07:55 PM
One of the new guns will be a single stack G19 sized pistol in .380.






Hahaha! I kid... (mostly)

TheNewbie
12-15-2018, 07:59 PM
One of the new guns will be a single stack G19 sized pistol in .380.






Hahaha! I kid... (mostly)


With a DAK trigger.

Bigghoss
12-15-2018, 08:32 PM
Odds are it's nothing too cool like existing models in gen 5 or with the MOS system or something. Would be cool to see a 17 slide on a 19 frame.

pangloss
12-15-2018, 10:43 PM
I'm betting they'll release some Gen5 17 and 19 pistols with front slide serrations.

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PD Sgt.
12-15-2018, 10:54 PM
I will renew my hope for a 30s in Gen4, if not Gen5.

I will not hold my breath however.

Spartan1980
12-15-2018, 11:00 PM
G46, it will be Gen 5 G17 slide on G19 grip frame...the reverse of the G45 combo...:rolleyes:
I believe you are referring to what the G45 should have been from the start. HK got it right with the P30L. :cool:


I'll play wish-along. I'd like to see Gen-5s in .45ACP.
And .357 Sig, and 10mm.

Hell, if they did Gxx.5 in everything I might actually buy a few. As it is all I need Glocks for are GSSF matches which severely limits their sales to me.

LOKNLOD
12-15-2018, 11:24 PM
I believe you are referring to what the G45 should have been from the start. HK got it right with the P30L. :cool:


Glock already makes a P30L-proportioned gun. It's called the G17 :p

Spartan1980
12-15-2018, 11:28 PM
Glock already makes a P30L-proportioned gun. It's called the G17 :p
If they come out with a G17SF the P30L will finally have competition!
;)

LOKNLOD
12-15-2018, 11:31 PM
If they come out with a G17SF the P30L will finally have competition!
;)

Seriously, it blows my mind that Glock has never figured out a way to do removable backstrap pieces for the lower part of the grip - humped, straight, flat, curved, extra humped, whatever. They've literally got a big dead space hanging out there, plenty of room for whatever attachment method they need.

olstyn
12-15-2018, 11:50 PM
That's precisely how I formed my opinion...

I sure hope whatever Glock rolls out is nowhere near the trainwreck that the 365 was/is/might be, might not be.

My only personal experience with a 365 is just 2 days ago watching one choke hard in a match. Shooter engaged the 1st 3 targets of a 12-target stage and then the gun just stopped. He stood there trying to get it going again for quite a while and then gave up. Obviously a tiny sample size, and maybe not representative of the model as a whole, but not exactly confidence inspiring...

BigT
12-16-2018, 02:04 AM
Its exciting enought that I've already picked my serial number from our list...

jellydonut
12-16-2018, 02:31 AM
Glock will be unveiling their entry into the 1911 market.

Where's the yearly 'Glock carbine at SHOT Show' articles?

TheNewbie
12-16-2018, 03:07 AM
Its exciting enought that I've already picked my serial number from our list...


I'm more than curious.

Bucky
12-16-2018, 06:06 AM
I know we're not supposed to just say "+1" to stuff, but, fuck it - +1!

Is that a rule??

Guinnessman
12-16-2018, 08:16 AM
Its exciting enought that I've already picked my serial number from our list...

Did you sign a NDA? If not, spill the beans already!;)

FNFAN
12-16-2018, 08:54 AM
I will renew my hope for a 30s in Gen4, if not Gen5.

I will not hold my breath however.

I trained a chimpanzee to swing over the G30.4 production line and steal a frame then run over and put a 30s slide on it so they wouldn't have to have a special production line. Was going to give him to them free. They said, "Nein, vee haff no inter-species restrooms."

So, no 30s. Gen4 for you or I.

Super77
12-16-2018, 10:08 AM
My guess is a 10 shot, single stack 9mm that will make CCWers rejoice!:cool:

I hope so

Jim Watson
12-16-2018, 11:35 AM
17 degree grip angle.

GAP
12-16-2018, 12:27 PM
The only thing that would cause me to purchase a different carry gun than a G26, would be a single-stack G19 with 10+ rounds. Sadly, it’ll probably be just another mix-and-match (slide/frame) 9mm or a full lineup of .40 caliber Gen 5’s.

Glenn E. Meyer
12-16-2018, 12:45 PM
How about a 410/45 LC Glock? Might have a grip problem, though?

Who am I to judge?

I would like the 10 shot 9mm, signal stack thinner gun. I also though a G36 with more rounds, a better grip and mags without that honker base plate would be attractive.

How about a 10 shot, longer barrel G42 for the recoil limited folks? So far not me. Shot about 100 45 ACP 230 grs this weekend and my hand still functions. But I could be there.

psalms144.1
12-16-2018, 12:46 PM
The only thing that would cause me to purchase a different carry gun than a G26, would be a single-stack G19 with 10+ rounds. Sadly, it’ll probably be just another mix-and-match (slide/frame) 9mm or a full lineup of .40 caliber Gen 5’s.Based on the fact that the P365 has been such a success, and some other comments (hints) that have been dropped, I'm guessing a G26S - G26 frame with a G43 slide. Without finally ditching the polymer mags, I don't see how Glock could get too many more rounds into the G43 grip without making it very long...

ViniVidivici
12-16-2018, 12:55 PM
This thread showed a pic/attachment. All it was was the guy with the drum set.

I am dissapoint.

LSP552
12-16-2018, 02:47 PM
Based on the fact that the P365 has been such a success, and some other comments (hints) that have been dropped, I'm guessing a G26S - G26 frame with a G43 slide. Without finally ditching the polymer mags, I don't see how Glock could get too many more rounds into the G43 grip without making it very long...

I honestly don’t know how SIG did it, but the 365 is MUCH easier for me to shoot than you would guess from the size. As in better than a G26 for sure. I also find the recoil less. I know this is all subjective but it’s a common theme with my buddies.

I trust Glock more than SIG, but the both the G42 and G43 has teething issues also.

Guess we are just going to have to wait and see what we get at SHOT. A 10 round slim G19 would be VERY useful for me.

Sero Sed Serio
12-16-2018, 03:21 PM
In fairness to Glock, the Gen 5 G22 they made for the Brazilians is actually something New. A Gen 5 17/22 frame with a heavier / wider G37/45 GAP slide but a .40 barrel and breachface.

This is what many knowledgeable gun people said the Glock 40 caliber guns should have been in the first place.

I'm actually hoping for this. I'm pretty dedicated to going all-in on Glocks, and a solidly set-up Gen. 5 .40 would fill the last need/want slot on my list. The Gen. 4 22 isn't a bad option, but the Gen. 5 guts and heavier slide would make the 22 a really good option.

I'd also like to see the 19s standardized with no frame cut-out. I'm one of the lucky few that it doesn't bother so it's not a huge deal, but I think it's better without.

So to sum up: I'd like two things that already exist in some form in the wild. Hopefully it's like the song says: If you don't expect that much from me, I might not let you down...

Kyle Reese
12-16-2018, 03:27 PM
A line of .45 GAP Gen 5's?

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HCM
12-16-2018, 03:29 PM
I'm actually hoping for this. I'm pretty dedicated to going all-in on Glocks, and a solidly set-up Gen. 5 .40 would fill the last need/want slot on my list. The Gen. 4 22 isn't a bad option, but the Gen. 5 guts and heavier slide would make the 22 a really good option.

I'd also like to see the 19s standardized with no frame cut-out. I'm one of the lucky few that it doesn't bother so it's not a huge deal, but I think it's better without.

So to sum up: I'd like two things that already exist in some form in the wild. Hopefully it's like the song says: If you don't expect that much from me, I might not let you down...

Well, if Glock disappoints, there are G37 45 GAP police trades on the market right now and ATI is making a 45 GAP to 40 SW conversion barrel. Last I saw both were availible from Sportsman’s guide.

pastaslinger
12-16-2018, 04:04 PM
I am actually hoping for a non-MOS G34 g5 personally.

Other g5 things I'd be interested in...
-G24
-G35
-G40 (highly unlikely)
-a somehow thinner G26
-a slightly taller G43 OR a factory 7 round G43 mag

Old Man Winter
12-16-2018, 07:04 PM
My wishlist would include:


Gen5 19 minus the grip cut out, no MOS.
Gen5 17 top end / 19 lower without grip cut out.

Arbninftry
12-16-2018, 07:13 PM
I am still hoping for a Han Solo heavy blaster pistol DL- 44.

33303:o

Or a hand carried rail gun, that would be nice too.

33304

Mark D
12-16-2018, 08:13 PM
California is stuck with existing Gen 3 models too, since those are the only ones on the list. It's a big reason why Glock is still making Gen 3 9mm's. So a new single-stack 10-round gun won't do much for them.

That's what I was thinking. Whatever they release won't make it past the red curtain into CA. Mores the pity.

s0nspark
12-16-2018, 09:05 PM
Given the popularity of the G19X and G45.. maybe G26X that takes 19 mags?

j/k ... but if they made it, it would probably sell.

LOL - that is ever funnier.

HCM
12-16-2018, 09:08 PM
Given the popularity of the G19X and G45.. maybe G26X that takes 19 mags?

j/k ... but if they made it, it would probably sell.

LOL - that is ever funnier.

19S. G19 frame with a 43 slide ?

s0nspark
12-16-2018, 09:10 PM
19S. G19 frame with a 43 slide ?

34Y - 34 slide with a 26 frame? :)

Totem Polar
12-16-2018, 09:21 PM
I’m gonna vote for a G42-sized, 10-round .22LR, and I’ll keep voting for it until they make one.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting.

On the other hand, they did eventually remove the finger grooves after 2 decades of complaints, so...

Duelist
12-16-2018, 09:31 PM
I’m gonna vote for a G42-sized, 10-round .22LR, and I’ll keep voting for it until they make one.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting.

On the other hand, they did eventually remove the finger grooves after 2 decades of complaints, so...

I'll take two.

Darth_Uno
12-16-2018, 09:35 PM
I’m gonna vote for a G42-sized, 10-round .22LR, and I’ll keep voting for it until they make one.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting.



A Glock .22 in any size is the only new Glock that I’d be interested in.



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WOLFIE
12-16-2018, 09:56 PM
A single stack pistol chambered in 45 auto with a 4 inch barrel. The grip would not have finger groves or a cut out and would be slightly shorter than the G19 grip. The same gun in 9mm. The mag baseplate will be similar to a G17, G19- it will not be designed for the pinkie to be placed on it (it will not be like the G30). The backstrap will not have a pronounced arch or hump. It can have a slight arch.

Bigghoss
12-16-2018, 10:01 PM
Glock 26 slide with 19x grip chambered in .45 Gap.

Single stack G19. Chambered in .38 super.

DA/SA G24

A pump action shotgun that feels like it's made out of legos and ejects right into your face.

call_me_ski
12-16-2018, 10:04 PM
The Glock 46 is what I would be most interested in.

A G45 MOS would be okay as well but it is more of a foregone conclusion rather than something to get actually excited about.

GJM
12-16-2018, 10:36 PM
A Glock 44 in .22 would continue with the naming strategy that got us the Glock 45 in 9, and the Glock 40 in 10mm.

Lester Polfus
12-16-2018, 10:40 PM
A Glock 44 in .22 would continue with the naming strategy that got us the Glock 45 in 9, and the Glock 40 in 10mm.

If they do anything else, they are Wrong.

GJM
12-16-2018, 10:45 PM
If they do anything else, they are Wrong.


I also believe that a Glock .22 would sell like crazy, but I think SHOT is the time for a small but capable Glock carry gun.

JAD
12-16-2018, 10:48 PM
Or a hand carried rail gun, that would be nice too.

33304

Would you like it to throw half the bore down range with the projo like the real one?

YVK
12-16-2018, 10:51 PM
MOS plate outsourced to H&K, since H&K can't release their own, for two years now.

Bigghoss
12-16-2018, 11:01 PM
A Glock 44 in .22 would continue with the naming strategy that got us the Glock 45 in 9, and the Glock 40 in 10mm.

Oh goody. We get to listen to more of that...

Arbninftry
12-16-2018, 11:18 PM
Would you like it to throw half the bore down range with the projo like the real one?

nope. just want one to work, that can fit in your hand:cool:

t1tan
12-16-2018, 11:18 PM
Given the popularity of the G19X and G45.. maybe G26X that takes 19 mags?

j/k ... but if they made it, it would probably sell.

LOL - that is ever funnier.

I'd sell my 19.4 and buy this in a second then immediately throw on a Mayhem comp and mill it for a red dot.

GJM
12-17-2018, 05:33 AM
Oh goody. We get to listen to more of that...

Actually, I wasn’t kidding.

Bigghoss
12-17-2018, 06:26 AM
I know. I'm talking specifically about the people that sincerely lament and bemoan model numbers not matching the caliber. As if the model numbers are supposed to mean anything. It would not make any sense for them to start numbering models differently now.

JHC
12-17-2018, 06:34 AM
I also believe that a Glock .22 would sell like crazy, but I think SHOT is the time for a small but capable Glock carry gun.

Any and all Glock .22's with the feel and trigger of centerfires would probably be big hits. I would prefer them in 42/43 sized packages but could see a 19. Bigger than that would not have a big appeal to me.

Bigghoss
12-17-2018, 06:43 AM
A 42 or 43 sized .22 would be a lot of fun and I would be down for one.

I bought a .22 conversion for my 17 years ago and then later acquired a frame to keep it on so I now have a dedicated fullsize Glock .22. It hasn't been as reliable though.

GJM
12-17-2018, 07:46 AM
Any and all Glock .22's with the feel and trigger of centerfires would probably be big hits. I would prefer them in 42/43 sized packages but could see a 19. Bigger than that would not have a big appeal to me.

Face it Joe, you will buy any one they make! :p

APS-PF
12-17-2018, 09:19 AM
I also believe that a Glock .22 would sell like crazy, but I think SHOT is the time for a small but capable Glock carry gun.

We know you have a half dozen already, just tell us what it is!:p

s0nspark
12-17-2018, 09:42 AM
I'd sell my 19.4 and buy this in a second then immediately throw on a Mayhem comp and mill it for a red dot.

Not a bad thought... but, personally, I would miss having the rail.

Glenn E. Meyer
12-17-2018, 12:00 PM
I know. I'm talking specifically about the people that sincerely lament and bemoan model numbers not matching the caliber. As if the model numbers are supposed to mean anything. It would not make any sense for them to start numbering models differently now.

Our school department ditched SW Model 19s for Glocks. I asked an officer is that a Glock 22. He got all pissy and said: That's a Forty!

Why is the SW 327 in 357? A guy heard I had a 327 revolver and wanted to buy it. I had to tell him it was a 327 Mag (a SW 632). He wanted the 357 gun. Cabela's sales clerk told me a 632 was a 22. I told him it was a 327. He got all pissy until an old fart clerk came by. See the dude thought it was a 63-2 (a model of their J frame 22 LR).

How about a 5.7×28mm, just to add to the suspense? It can go with the carbine!

pew_pew
12-17-2018, 01:31 PM
Wouldn’t a g26x basically be what Smith has out with the m&p? I think those are selling pretty well. I wouldn’t want one. I like a 4” barrel but I’m sure they’d be popular.

Tod-13
12-17-2018, 01:49 PM
"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.

Said my wife, whose hands are too small to hold a G19. (It recoils through the joint of her thumb.)

And my wife's coworker who has even smaller hands.

Totem Polar
12-17-2018, 02:58 PM
Said my wife, whose hands are too small to hold a G19. (It recoils through the joint of her thumb.)

And my wife's coworker who has even smaller hands.

Tangential, but I’ve sold an even half-dozen G42s for Glock USA at this point, just by taking new female shooters to the range with my collection of exemplars for them to try out and choose from. Only one lady did NOT choose the 42, and even she ended up with an LCP, due to insisting upon the smallest gun possible for ASAP EDC duty.

Women under 5’6" and 125-140 lbs or so really take a shine to the 42, and why not? It’s a likeable little gun.

Incidentally, second place—for shooting—has uniformely been my tuned NY-1 K-frame, but I can totally see why nobody ran out to the counter to buy a duty revolver. [/shrug]. The 19/26 option gets drowned out by the 42, in my admittedly limited experience. That G42 fits petite hands like a GP100 with compact letts fits mine. JMO.

Clobbersaurus
12-17-2018, 03:09 PM
2019 needs to be the year of the Glock carbine.

How many more non-Glock manufacturers need to produce carbines that take Glock mags before Glock realizes how huge it would be for them?

Hint:

1) B&T TP9 style, with mags in the primary grip (that drop free) = a very good start.

Tod-13
12-17-2018, 03:59 PM
Tangential, but I’ve sold an even half-dozen G42s for Glock USA at this point, just by taking new female shooters to the range with my collection of exemplars for them to try out and choose from. Only one lady did NOT choose the 42, and even she ended up with an LCP, due to insisting upon the smallest gun possible for ASAP EDC duty.

Women under 5’6" and 125-140 lbs or so really take a shine to the 42, and why not? It’s a likeable little gun.

Incidentally, second place—for shooting—has uniformely been my tuned NY-1 K-frame, but I can totally see why nobody ran out to the counter to buy a duty revolver. [/shrug]. The 19/26 option gets drowned out by the 42, in my admittedly limited experience. That G42 fits petite hands like a GP100 with compact letts fits mine. JMO.

Weirdly, my 5' 4" wife and myself, 6' 1", both like the G42 and felt the G43 was really clunky. We'll be getting a 640 Pro to test for her in the coming year. (I can't hit with Ruger revolvers--something about the geometry doesn't work for me.)

Duelist
12-17-2018, 04:59 PM
Tangential, but I’ve sold an even half-dozen G42s for Glock USA at this point, just by taking new female shooters to the range with my collection of exemplars for them to try out and choose from. Only one lady did NOT choose the 42, and even she ended up with an LCP, due to insisting upon the smallest gun possible for ASAP EDC duty.

Women under 5’6" and 125-140 lbs or so really take a shine to the 42, and why not? It’s a likeable little gun.

Incidentally, second place—for shooting—has uniformely been my tuned NY-1 K-frame, but I can totally see why nobody ran out to the counter to buy a duty revolver. [/shrug]. The 19/26 option gets drowned out by the 42, in my admittedly limited experience. That G42 fits petite hands like a GP100 with compact letts fits mine. JMO.

And your recommendation led to us borrowing one, my under 5'6" wife liking it, and me buying two. I like it, she likes it.

Duces Tecum
12-17-2018, 05:25 PM
. . . but I think SHOT is the time for a small but capable Glock carry gun.

Hmmmmm.

Totem Polar
12-17-2018, 05:51 PM
How many more non-Glock manufacturers need to produce carbines that take Glock mags before Glock realizes how huge it would be for them?


Y'know, every time I read "Glock Carbine," it gets filed into the same internet nook in my brain that keeps "Gecko45" posts. But you're absolutely right. If nothing else, Ruger has made the point.


Weirdly, my 5' 4" wife and myself, 6' 1", both like the G42 and felt the G43 was really clunky. We'll be getting a 640 Pro to test for her in the coming year. (I can't hit with Ruger revolvers--something about the geometry doesn't work for me.)

Craig Douglas and I briefly discussed the 42/43 conundrum at his course a couple of years ago (I was using a G43 for the class). We both agreed that the 42 was a sweeter shooter. Honestly, a real case can be made for a G43 as a "one gun to do it all," if it's going to be the only pistol, but if two pieces of plastic are doable, splitting around it with the 42 and a G26 or similar makes more sense to me. OMMV.


And your recommendation led to us borrowing one, my under 5'6" wife liking it, and me buying two. I like it, she likes it.

:)

FPS
12-17-2018, 05:57 PM
Glock 42 is the only Glock that I have picked up and said "Wow" based on how it felt.

Totem Polar
12-17-2018, 06:08 PM
Glock 42 is the only Glock that I have picked up and said "Wow" based on how it felt.

What did you say when you picked up the other ones? ;)

TheNewbie
12-17-2018, 10:45 PM
Maybe it will be Glock models factory equipped with SCDs.

Navin Johnson
12-18-2018, 12:59 AM
So....... Either a G42 sized 9mm (I wish) or a double or staggered g 43.....i.e. 365 that works. ( I know there is a half dozen or so 365's that work......so far) Astonishing the worship for a few extra rounds instead of magazines and/or practice.

FPS
12-18-2018, 02:34 AM
What did you say when you picked up the other ones?

I've owned three and down to one currently. I am one of those people where Glocks just don't fit my hand real well. That was why I was so surprised when I picked up the G42.

Polecat
12-18-2018, 07:14 AM
"This G19 would be so much better if it held 5 less rounds!," said... no one ever.


This G19 would be so much better if it were more slim and didn’t feel like a potato, said most.

s0nspark
12-18-2018, 07:33 AM
This G19 would be so much better if it were more slim and didn’t feel like a potato, said most.

I don't feel that way at all about the Gen 4/5 19. The Gen 3 did feel a little chunky but I think that was grip shape more than a big difference in size.

Then again, I like potatoes.

jellydonut
12-18-2018, 09:12 AM
This G19 would be so much better if it were more slim and didn’t feel like a potato, said most.

I wear size 7 gloves and the G19 feels perfectly fine. The gen 5 is downright good.

SW CQB 45
12-18-2018, 09:55 AM
I prefer the G19 but I dont want it any slimmer.

Not much room for my support hand to make frame contact.

I like the Gen 5 (no finger grooves). I have a few in my office ready for assignment. I will get one next budget year.

I should have the below Gen 2 back in my office in Jan 2019 for overall comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/NpUGfXF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mdiVHXj.jpg

1986s4
12-18-2018, 10:43 AM
I think the 19.5 is about perfect in size for my hands and I'd love to try one out by renting one. But every Glock I've ever used shot left of center. People tell me the Gen 5's have a different trigger pull. Maybe the G5 is the ticket?

Jim Watson
12-18-2018, 10:51 AM
But every Glock I've ever used shot left of center.

You can do a lot of study on grip and trigger finger curl to correct that.
Or you can move the rear sight a smidgen to the right. Exact amount calculated by trigonometry. Which is what I did, since I only shoot Glocks for GSSF.

HCM
12-18-2018, 11:48 AM
I think the 19.5 is about perfect in size for my hands and I'd love to try one out by renting one. But every Glock I've ever used shot left of center. People tell me the Gen 5's have a different trigger pull. Maybe the G5 is the ticket?

It’s not the trigger pull. It’s the trigger shape. Viewed from the top, stock Glock triggers are round faced. This, plus the drop safety tab on the middle of the trigger face tends to result in right handed shooters engaging the trigger safety tab and Only the left side of the trigger. As a result the trigger gets pulled on a 10/11 o’clock to 4/5 o’clock axis literally pulling rounds left.

You can mitigate this by playing with trigger finger placement or by gripping the shit out of the gun.

Polecat
12-18-2018, 02:17 PM
Three things would love to see:

Gun sized between the 17 and 19, slimmed down a bit.

Optional Safety like on the MHS guns, not for everyone, but I would like it.

Lastly the Glock rendition of the P365, not a stupid G26 with a 43 slide stuck on top either. The 30s is dumpy and downright looks like an afterthought as do all their .45s with that crappy useless extension looking thing.

Dave

TheNewbie
12-18-2018, 02:56 PM
Three things would love to see:

Gun sized between the 17 and 19, slimmed down a bit.

Optional Safety like on the MHS guns, not for everyone, but I would like it.

Lastly the Glock rendition of the P365, not a stupid G26 with a 43 slide stuck on top either. The 30s is dumpy and downright looks like an afterthought as do all their .45s with that crappy useless extension looking thing.

Dave


A well executed safety that is as easy to engage as disengage.

TheNewbie
12-18-2018, 03:58 PM
It won’t be that — unless GLOCK has decided it has more money and lawyers than I do (which it absolutely does) and went ahead and created its own unlicensed version (which is extremely unlikely).


I was mainly joking but it would be a wonderful thing if it happened. Of course it happening in a way that made you lots of money would be even better.


Especially if it meant we all got PF koozies out of it!

kitten_frenzy
12-18-2018, 07:08 PM
G43 that uses p365 or KT P11 mags please

Lester Polfus
12-18-2018, 07:21 PM
G43 that uses p365 or KT P11 mags please

Huh?

One of the best things about Glocks is they use Glock mags. Why would you want that?

kitten_frenzy
12-18-2018, 07:59 PM
Huh?

One of the best things about Glocks is they use Glock mags. Why would you want that?

Capacity and a more comfy grip angle

EJO
12-18-2018, 09:15 PM
G46, it will be Gen 5 G17 slide on G19 grip frame...the reverse of the G45 combo...:rolleyes:

This has actually been made and I've been told it will be released on/ around SHOT. The G45 MOS is also for real but I don't think it will be released until much later. They'll wait until they've sold as many G45's as possible then introduce the G45 MOS. Think 42 then 43.

Polecat
12-19-2018, 06:35 AM
Capacity and a more comfy grip angle

Actually, the magazine is the worst thing about Glock. The magazine limits everything. The gun doesn’t have to be as wide and clunky, it does though currently because of the magazine width.

Bucky
12-19-2018, 08:19 PM
Actually, the magazine is the worst thing about Glock. The magazine limits everything. The gun doesn’t have to be as wide and clunky, it does though currently because of the magazine width.

Worst in that it gives up a few rounds. On the other hand, rugged, inexpensive , reliable, weather resistant, and not to mention inexpensive. Add to that, designed such that longer mags can be used without the fear of over insertion. And, they’re relatively inexpensive. ;)

CS Tactical
12-19-2018, 08:53 PM
Worst in that it gives up a few rounds. On the other hand, rugged, inexpensive , reliable, weather resistant, and not to mention inexpensive. Add to that, designed such that longer mags can be used without the fear of over insertion. And, they’re relatively inexpensive. ;)

Except their 10 round 9mm G17 and G19 mags :(

echo5charlie
12-19-2018, 09:37 PM
Except their 10 round 9mm G17 and G19 mags :(

That's a non-issue. ;)

LockedBreech
12-19-2018, 09:40 PM
Worst in that it gives up a few rounds. On the other hand, rugged, inexpensive , reliable, weather resistant, and not to mention inexpensive. Add to that, designed such that longer mags can be used without the fear of over insertion. And, they’re relatively inexpensive. ;)

For years my only gun was a Beretta PX4 with mags for $45 a pop. I still feel like I'm stealing when I buy Glock mags.

Totem Polar
12-20-2018, 12:10 AM
Blah, blah, blah...

wmu12071
12-20-2018, 06:05 AM
Blah, blah, blah...

What are we looking at and why did we skip 46 (rotating barrel?), 47 (19 frame 17 slide?), and 48?

Bucky
12-20-2018, 06:10 AM
Except their 10 round 9mm G17 and G19 mags :(

Well, take out the reliable and the rest is still true. ;)

4gallonbucket
12-20-2018, 09:18 AM
What are we looking at and why did we skip 46 (rotating barrel?), 47 (19 frame 17 slide?), and 48?

I don't think that photo is meant to be taken seriously. There's also the G44 that we haven't seen yet.

Rex G
12-20-2018, 10:11 AM
If this thread has become a wish list, well, an up-sized/stretched G42 would certainly get my attention, as would a non-MOS long-slide 10mm. (Been reading too much grizzly bear stuff, I reckon, and we have been researching/contemplating some photography trips in places where big bears roam.)

LittleLebowski
12-20-2018, 10:48 AM
Talk about shitty OPSEC.

CS Tactical
12-20-2018, 02:19 PM
https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html

https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/G43X_00-670x446.jpg

Guinnessman
12-20-2018, 02:21 PM
GJM made me wait a whole freaking day!:p

I am buying one!

BillSWPA
12-20-2018, 02:27 PM
4 mm wider than the 43 would put the width about the same as their double stack 9mm pistols. What is the advantage over a 19 or 26?



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Polecat
12-20-2018, 02:30 PM
I think the extra 4mm side to side won’t be bad as the front to back grip is pretty small.

luckyman
12-20-2018, 02:52 PM
This would be perfect for California.....of course, it will never make it on the DOJ roster of approved firearms.

4gallonbucket
12-20-2018, 02:52 PM
4 mm wider than the 43 would put the width about the same as their double stack 9mm pistols. What is the advantage over a 19 or 26?

I hope they don't stick with the "43x" name. I don't think it's very logical if this is truly a 1.5 stack gun with a completely different magazine. Presumably the 43x magazine will not fit in the 43. I hope this becomes the G44 - but either way, I have a GSSF coupon burning a hole in my pocket.
Now let's hope the G43 SCD will work on it -- and let's also hope it gets a 4" barrel.

einherjarvalk
12-20-2018, 02:54 PM
4 mm wider than the 43 would put the width about the same as their double stack 9mm pistols. What is the advantage over a 19 or 26?

A longer grip than the 26, but with a shorter muzzle, apparently. The 43 is already slightly longer in the grip than the 26 is; the leaked dimensions would put it slightly below G19 length. It sounds more like a G26X than a G43X, assuming it takes the same mags we're used to seeing for the rest of the double stack family.

SAWBONES
12-20-2018, 02:55 PM
4 mm wider than the 43 would put the width about the same as their double stack 9mm pistols. What is the advantage over a 19 or 26?


And the current G26 is only 6mm wider than the G43, so although that does definitely translate to a bigger "felt circumference" (as well as, obviously, a bigger measured circumference), I'm not sure a difference of just 4mm would seem worth it.

Holding one in the hand will obviously be necessary...

RJ
12-20-2018, 02:58 PM
My abiding memory of shooting a rental G43 was how jumpy and slickery it was. Seems like a longer grip would ameliorate that somewhat.

Thoughts on the grip surface being rougher than the G43?

Also: from the photo shops, it might be Shield size. S&W has done fairly well with that size/form factor. Anyone own a Shield care to comment?

I assume it would accept G43 size extended mags?

Last one: sure hope the current G43 SCD fits it. Tom_Jones any thoughts on that?

I have to admit I’m kinda interested in a slim 10+1 Glock.

ranger
12-20-2018, 03:05 PM
I have a Shield 9mm - good size. I bought an early G43 but sold it as I could use the Shield for same purpose and I wanted more capacity plus I carry my M&P 2.0 Compact even more. I suspect I would still have the G43X if it came out first and would not have bought the G43 or Shield.

They will sell a bunch of G43X in the Atlanta area if real and bet there will be a bunch of used G43s on the market.

jwperry
12-20-2018, 03:08 PM
I believe you are referring to what the G45 should have been from the start. HK got it right with the P30L. :cool:


And .357 Sig, and 10mm.

Hell, if they did Gxx.5 in everything I might actually buy a few. As it is all I need Glocks for are GSSF matches which severely limits their sales to me.

Sig isn't even making 357 Sig guns anymore, I doubt Glock will invest..

MSparks909
12-20-2018, 03:10 PM
Well this saves me from picking up a P365. This is what the G43 should have been from the beginning. Watching with interest :cool:

CalAlumnus
12-20-2018, 03:13 PM
I just compared my Glock 26 and P365 magazines. It looks like the 26 magazine is 1.6mm thicker than the P365 magazine.

With a grip 4mm thicker than the Glock 43, the 43x grip would be 1.8mm thicker than the P365 grip.

Indeed, the P365 grip is 4.5mm thicker than its magazine, while the Glock 26 is 7.2mm thicker than its magazine.

I wonder if it's as simple as slimming down the frame, perhaps with a stronger polymer.

Totem Polar
12-20-2018, 03:17 PM
Hmmm. I will admit to always sort of wanting a kahr P9...

;)

camsdaddy
12-20-2018, 03:32 PM
Looks like a shield or 3913 sized 43 or a 43 with a talon tactical extension. There are a lot of people who like shields. There are a lot of people who add extensions. This will sell because its a glock and people know that they will have reliability, resale and accessories available.

okie john
12-20-2018, 04:01 PM
If it runs, then I’m in.


Okie John

Glenn E. Meyer
12-20-2018, 04:07 PM
How about the 43x in 45 GAP - suggested just to be a trouble maker for 2020!

Dismas316
12-20-2018, 04:51 PM
The length puts is it just slightly longer than 365 w/ the 10 round pinky extension. Right in the middle of the 10/12 round length on the 365 and pretty much the shield length. Sounds like the grip however is a bit thicker, not quite the 26 (about 2mm less), but certainly thinker than the other single stack 9's. I'll be in on this one regardless, it's just a matter if I can hold off and not be a beta tester.

psalms144.1
12-20-2018, 05:03 PM
Would everyone stop with these millimeter measurements? America don't speak metric!

So, now that we have SOME idea of what it is, my thoughts:

I don't give two shakes of a lamb's tail how it compares in size to a G43 or G26. How does it compare to it's direct competition - the P365?

If it has the G43's barely existent and slippery texturing, I'm not so interested. Hopefully they'll use the Gen4/5's texture.

TheNewbie
12-20-2018, 05:10 PM
Would everyone stop with these millimeter measurements? America don't speak metric!

So, now that we have SOME idea of what it is, my thoughts:

I don't give two shakes of a lamb's tail how it compares in size to a G43 or G26. How does it compare to it's direct competition - the P365?

If it has the G43's barely existent and slippery texturing, I'm not so interested. Hopefully they'll use the Gen4/5's texture.


Have you tried Talon grips onthe 43? Made a difference on my LCP.

Chemsoldier
12-20-2018, 05:18 PM
Would everyone stop with these millimeter measurements? America don't speak metric!



Most Americans speak fractions [of an inch] about as well as they speak metric.

psalms144.1
12-20-2018, 05:31 PM
I guess I should have put an emoticon or some shit after my metric comment. Seriously, has no one seen the Meme that say "9mm?" on the top over a picture of several 1911s? Underneath it says "America doesn't speak metric, faggot!"

And yes, I tried talons on my G43 before I sold it - better, but still not good...

Chemsoldier
12-20-2018, 05:42 PM
Sorry man, my sense of humor is dry, i caught your humor.

Hambo
12-20-2018, 05:56 PM
If it runs, then I’m in.


Okie John

Right. If it's a single stack, I'm interested. If it's Glock's first rodeo with a Shield magazine, get back to me in a few years.

HCM
12-20-2018, 06:28 PM
Right. If it's a single stack, I'm interested. If it's Glock's first rodeo with a Shield magazine, get back to me in a few years.

Yo Tambien.

JBP55
12-20-2018, 06:46 PM
Most Americans speak fractions [of an inch] about as well as they speak metric.

They have those things called thousands of an inch that Americans should understand.

JohnO
12-20-2018, 06:55 PM
Would everyone stop with these millimeter measurements? America don't speak metric!

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68222268/there-are-2-types-of-countries-those-who-use-the-metric-system-and-those-that-have-been-to-the-moon.jpg

RJ
12-20-2018, 07:01 PM
Another angle:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/rumor-mill-upcoming-glock-43x-with-101-capacity/

Hambo
12-20-2018, 07:03 PM
Would everyone stop with these millimeter measurements?

Translation on the way...


With a grip 0.157" or 5/32" thicker than the Glock 43. The 43x grip would be 0.071" or a bit more than 1/16" thicker than the P365 grip.

In other words, we're not talking about huge differences.

Nephrology
12-20-2018, 07:15 PM
Okay, I am definitely buying two of these.

JCS
12-20-2018, 07:15 PM
Just my luck after I’ve spent the last year and a half investing in the Glock 43, mags, holsters, testing mag extensions etc.

I’m definitely interested if it is a Glock version of the p365. Also if a SCD will fit it. Surely they will keep the slides the same.

t1tan
12-20-2018, 07:19 PM
Just my luck after I’ve spent the last year and a half investing in the Glock 43, mags, holsters, testing mag extensions etc.

I’m definitely interested if it is a Glock version of the p365. Also if a SCD will fit it. Surely they will keep the slides the same.

Hoping for the same. I think depending on what this is, it might fit my needs better and I can sell the 19.4 I never carry then between picking up a 45, whatever this is and my current 43, I think I’ll have my bases covered.

JCS
12-20-2018, 07:29 PM
I think another potential positive for it is extended magazines. If Glock produces a factory 12 rounder or TTI or someone else produces a reliable +2 or +3 then your approaching g19 capacity in a single stack.

GJM
12-20-2018, 07:36 PM
Have read every post, but a few things.

People who know what the new small Glock is, don’t recognize what Recoil photoshopped.

Santa sometimes brings more than one present.

El Cid
12-20-2018, 07:58 PM
I’m just excited about factory G43 mags with extra capacity for reloads with my current and awesome G43’s. No more extensions if so.

HCM
12-20-2018, 08:05 PM
I’m just excited about factory G43 mags with extra capacity for reloads with my current and awesome G43’s. No more extensions if so.

Where are you seeing that? Both articles claim the 43X is using a new, semi staggered magazine like the Shield and the P365, is so they wouldnt fit a current 43.

Bucky
12-20-2018, 08:09 PM
I’m just excited about factory G43 mags with extra capacity for reloads with my current and awesome G43’s. No more extensions if so.

The articles state that there won’t be mag compatibility. Shame, I’d rather they kept the compatibility, even if they gave up a round.

El Cid
12-20-2018, 08:10 PM
Where are you seeing that? Both articles claim the 43X is using a new, semi staggered magazine like the Shield and the P365, is so they wouldnt fit a current 43.

Well the screw those guys. Lol! Figures. They’ve followed a formula for years and now they want to deviate? If it’s a 43x or y or z it should take the same mags. Maybe it’s really the G44.

JHC
12-20-2018, 08:29 PM
Have read every post, but a few things.

People who know what the new small Glock is, don’t recognize what Recoil photoshopped.

Santa sometimes brings more than one present.

That's what I figured. I've been a good boy this year too. Even stopped yelling at my boss after promising to live up to my friend Weston's example (KIA 2017). It's gonna be cool.

LockedBreech
12-20-2018, 08:51 PM
I would likely pass on a 43X. I like my Shield 2.0 a lot better than I liked my 43.

That said, more options and selection for quality, vetted carry guns = always a good thing.

Mike C
12-20-2018, 09:04 PM
Okay, I am definitely buying two of these.

You know better than to go against Doctors' orders. Doc says you need three, you should buy three. That will be my game plan for certain. I hope they're as awesome sauce as the Gen5's have been. I love my current 43's and 19.5's.

Spartan1980
12-20-2018, 09:22 PM
Also: from the photo shops, it might be Shield size. S&W has done fairly well with that size/form factor. Anyone own a Shield care to comment?



I have two 9mm Shields. One for me, one for the wife.

The P365 and now this, I'll not likely be ditching the Shield for either anytime soon. I just don't see either one doing anything that much better than the Shield. With Talon grips the Shields are just grippy enough. Accurate, reliable, decent sights out of the box and a usable trigger. If Glock gets the price competitive I'll be shocked.

EDIT: Glock will have to work hard to be price competitive. PSA M&P Shield 9 $249.95 + 1 TTI base pad (gets 10 rounds in the mag) $30.99 = $280.94. That leaves a bunch of room for trigger work, ammo or class.

StraitR
12-20-2018, 09:27 PM
The increase in capacity is welcomed, but I'm most excited about the incremental increase in overall size. I don't have an issue shooting my 43, in fact I'm shooting it better than ever, but I know a small size increase would go a long way towards making it easier to shoot well.

Color me extremely interested in this and whatever else Glock has up their single-stack sleeves.

Nephrology
12-20-2018, 09:47 PM
Where are you seeing that? Both articles claim the 43X is using a new, semi staggered magazine like the Shield and the P365, is so they wouldnt fit a current 43.

Dangit

Still buying two


The increase in capacity is welcomed, but I'm most excited about the incremental increase in overall size. I don't have an issue shooting my 43, in fact I'm shooting it better than ever, but I know a small size increase would go a long way towards making it easier to shoot well.

Agreed!

Up1911Fan
12-20-2018, 09:59 PM
I would likely pass on a 43X. I like my Shield 2.0 a lot better than I liked my 43.

That said, more options and selection for quality, vetted carry guns = always a good thing.

This. I really like my Shield 2.0, I wouldn't mind checking out one of these and a G45 though.

Center Shot
12-20-2018, 10:27 PM
Rumors are a ten round G43X and a single-stack G19.

Looks like you were right with the G43X, how about the single stack G19?

https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html

RJ
12-20-2018, 10:27 PM
EDIT: Glock will have to work hard to be price competitive. PSA M&P Shield 9 $249.95 + 1 TTI base pad (gets 10 rounds in the mag) $30.99 = $280.94. That leaves a bunch of room for trigger work, ammo or class.

That’s a lot lower than I would have thought. It’s no wonder S&W have sold what? a million of the Shields now?

FNFAN
12-20-2018, 10:53 PM
https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html

Interesting.

call_me_ski
12-20-2018, 10:54 PM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68222268/there-are-2-types-of-countries-those-who-use-the-metric-system-and-those-that-have-been-to-the-moon.jpg

I didn’t realize Myanmar has been to the moon. Good for them.

Greg
12-20-2018, 11:23 PM
I'm holding my breath for a knee mortar.

HCM
12-20-2018, 11:25 PM
That’s a lot lower than I would have thought. It’s no wonder S&W have sold what? a million of the Shields now?

The shields at $249 were a one time thing when they were being closed out in favor of the shield 2.0s. They normally run $300-$350 ish.

Balisong
12-20-2018, 11:26 PM
I'm sure this will do well for them. I just can't picture a reason I'd grab this instead of a 26.

Nephrology
12-20-2018, 11:43 PM
I'm sure this will do well for them. I just can't picture a reason I'd grab this instead of a 26.

26 capacity but smaller? If anything, I think this makes the 26 redundant for a lot of folks, especially if they don't own full size 9mm glocks.

I'll give it a year or so for the kinks to get worked out, but if it's as good as it promises to be, this will probably replace either my 26s or my 43s (the 43s, most likely).

Balisong
12-20-2018, 11:54 PM
26 capacity but smaller? If anything, I think this makes the 26 redundant for a lot of folks, especially if they don't own full size 9mm glocks.

I'll give it a year or so for the kinks to get worked out, but if it's as good as it promises to be, this will probably replace either my 26s or my 43s (the 43s, most likely).

It's very possible that I misread the stuff due to having very little sleep this week, but I thought the height of it was more than a G26 while just being a bit more slender. If that's the case then it seems like a cruddy trade off for losing the ability to use high cap mags in it, or even a pinky extension adding a couple rounds to the mag.

But if I did indeed misread that then I can see the appeal. Though I never have a need for a smaller gun than a G26, and the ability to reload it with much bigger mags always makes the 26 appeal to me.

Nephrology
12-21-2018, 12:00 AM
It's very possible that I misread the stuff due to having very little sleep this week, but I thought the height of it was more than a G26 while just being a bit more slender. If that's the case then it seems like a cruddy trade off for losing the ability to use high cap mags in it, or even a pinky extension adding a couple rounds to the mag.

But if I did indeed misread that then I can see the appeal. Though I never have a need for a smaller gun than a G26, and the ability to reload it with much bigger mags always makes the 26 appeal to me.

Actually, you're right. Looks like it's 15mm longer than the 43 (assuming overall height, thats 123 mm with mag - G26 is 104mm with mag).

I'll hold my judgment til better photos of the real thing come out, but I'm assuming it will be competitive with the P365.

Pretty sure no matter what size it is I'll end up buying two...

YVK
12-21-2018, 12:14 AM
but I'm assuming it will be competitive with the P365.


Doubt it. 365 is smaller than 43, and this 43x is larger than 43. If this new offering has slide width of the 43 and overall slim enough to conceal nearly as well as 43, it will be favorably competitive with the 43. Probably more shootable too. G26 has a fat slide so slimmer slide with the same mag capacity may offer concealment advantages to peeps like me who pay other peeps to round the slides of their double stack Glocks.

Nephrology
12-21-2018, 12:29 AM
Doubt it. 365 is smaller than 43, and this 43x is larger than 43. If this new offering has slide width of the 43 and overall slim enough to conceal nearly as well as 43, it will be favorably competitive with the 43. Probably more shootable too. G26 has a fat slide so slimmer slide with the same mag capacity may offer concealment advantages to peeps like me who pay other peeps to round the slides of their double stack Glocks.

I'm definitely still interested if it offers a more shootable single stack pistol with G26 capacity. The explosion of quality 9mm single stacks in the last decade has kind of spoiled me, especially now that I own and trust a couple.

It does appear that the gun is likely to be pretty tall if tis information is correct. Assuming it is 15mm longer than the 108mm length of the 43 + mag, that puts it at 123mm in toto - just 5mm shorter than a G19. Either way, I'd definitely welcome a slimmer slide.

Curious to see how this actually shakes out when it's released.

Navin Johnson
12-21-2018, 02:08 AM
So.......the discussion is still about a picture that the rumor starter said is not authentic?

spyderco monkey
12-21-2018, 04:21 AM
I'm kinda meh to this news.

I had really wanted the "G44" / Single Stack G19.

8rd single stack, 5" tall, 4" barrel.

Basically a Glock reliable version of the Kahr ST9:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-kp97pt369w/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2301/5383/SVimg-ST9093__71119.1515511858.jpg

JHC
12-21-2018, 05:50 AM
I'm definitely still interested if it offers a more shootable single stack pistol with G26 capacity. The explosion of quality 9mm single stacks in the last decade has kind of spoiled me, especially now that I own and trust a couple.

It does appear that the gun is likely to be pretty tall if tis information is correct. Assuming it is 15mm longer than the 108mm length of the 43 + mag, that puts it at 123mm in toto - just 5mm shorter than a G19. Either way, I'd definitely welcome a slimmer slide.

Curious to see how this actually shakes out when it's released.


Prudent course. If history is any guide there will be much analysis of how the photo-shopped pistol and eventually actual pictured pistol is neither fish nor foul and doesn't fit into any niche and is a big mistake . . . which becomes another very shootable monster success and becomes one of the most commonly carried concealment pistols. :D

leathermaneod
12-21-2018, 05:59 AM
Looks like you were right with the G43X, how about the single stack G19?

https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html

Thank goodness. Now we can put this P365 nonsense behind us. :-p


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RJ
12-21-2018, 08:04 AM
So.......the discussion is still about a picture that the rumor starter said is not authentic?

It’s what we do. :)
GJM won’t (and probably can’t) spill the beans, so yeah, pretty much...


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Nephrology
12-21-2018, 08:25 AM
I'm kinda meh to this news.

I had really wanted the "G44" / Single Stack G19.

8rd single stack, 5" tall, 4" barrel.

Basically a Glock reliable version of the Kahr ST9:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-kp97pt369w/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2301/5383/SVimg-ST9093__71119.1515511858.jpg

It sounds like that is what this is...?

Center Shot
12-21-2018, 08:43 AM
Have read every post, but a few things.

People who know what the new small Glock is, don’t recognize what Recoil photoshopped.

Santa sometimes brings more than one present.

I guess the rumor is that Glock will present two new models at Shot Show, the G43X and a single stack G19. Anyone hear about the single stack G19? They might even accept the same magazines? I guess the only difference between the G43X and the single stack G19 would be the longer barrel on the G19.

JHC
12-21-2018, 08:45 AM
I think the actual pistol will most likely hit a sweet spot of a highly concealable and comfortable to IWB carry gun with a very serviceable "street" trigger that can still be shot to a very high level of performance. I think just a little more girth to a 43 grip would be a plus for me. And that its built on the robust and simple Gen 5 "platform" bodes well generally.

Darth_Uno
12-21-2018, 08:59 AM
I'm kinda meh to this news.

I had really wanted the "G44" / Single Stack G19.

8rd single stack, 5" tall, 4" barrel.

Basically a Glock reliable version of the Kahr ST9:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-kp97pt369w/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2301/5383/SVimg-ST9093__71119.1515511858.jpg

That's what I'd go for. I'd want a longer barrel/slide to balance the longer mag. Not for aesthetics, it'd just carry better.

octagon
12-21-2018, 09:11 AM
That's what I'd go for. I'd want a longer barrel/slide to balance the longer mag. Not for aesthetics, it'd just carry better.

Exactly. The longer slide/barrel means better sight radius,more velocity,less recoil/muzzle rise and less blast/flash even if very minimally different with almost zero penalty for concealed carry IWB. I just don't get short slide length compared to grip length like the 19X and so called 43X. That's just me.

mmc45414
12-21-2018, 09:19 AM
Exactly. The longer slide/barrel means better sight radius,more velocity,less recoil/muzzle rise and less blast/flash even if very minimally different with almost zero penalty for concealed carry IWB.I actually like more barrel to reach down far enough that my ass pushes out to offset my gut pushing out on the grip.

I want a striker fired Commander :)

mmc45414
12-21-2018, 09:23 AM
The shields at $249 were a one time thing when they were being closed out in favor of the shield 2.0s.They are still out there, but the only ones I see at $249 are with the (IMO) undesirable thumb safety.
33425

Savage Hands
12-21-2018, 09:26 AM
OMG more options, shame on Glock... And every one will be sold out for years.

Tod-13
12-21-2018, 09:41 AM
*sigh* I would prefer a full length single-stack grip. Not everything has to be little-itty bitty deep concealment or service (over-)sized guns. A lot of CHL folks would like a not-too-heavy not-too-huge handgun that actually fits the hand and doesn't pinch on reloads. (Even my wife with little bitty hand thinks the G43 grip is weird and prefers the G42.)

0.6 inches longer? Just make it a normal single stack and make it 1.5 inches longer.

Tod-13
12-21-2018, 09:46 AM
Looks like you were right with the G43X, how about the single stack G19?

https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html

I hope Chance was right about the single-stack G19, since that's what my wife and I want!

Kyle Reese
12-21-2018, 09:48 AM
I'll grab one from Town Police Supply in Richmond when they become available.

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HCM
12-21-2018, 11:22 AM
They are still out there, but the only ones I see at $249 are with the (IMO) undesirable thumb safety.
33425

Still left overs. That TS 1.0 is just like the veggie omelet MRE no one wants.

On another note, with all the stupid aftermarket crap out there I don’t know why someone has not made an extended thumb safety for the shield - something like the thumb safety on the M&P22 Compact.

flyrodr
12-21-2018, 12:23 PM
If one tabulated the dimensions of several popular models, well, I'm not sure what it does, but here it is.

33427

And then, for grins, if one adds L+W+H+Wt, there's perhaps an even more meaningless set of numbers

33429

And even if that last set of numbers meant something (as in, is the P365 "smallest"), I expect they'd need normalizing somehow by capacity, or fit, or feel, or function, or whatever.

But, yes, it'll most definitely be interesting to see where the new Glock(s?) fit in (literally).

HeavyDuty
12-21-2018, 01:18 PM
I actually like more barrel to reach down far enough that my ass pushes out to offset my gut pushing out on the grip.

I want a striker fired Commander :)

Isn’t that just a G45, or do you mean single stack?

mmc45414
12-21-2018, 01:38 PM
Isn’t that just a G45, or do you mean single stack?Yeah, I think there would be an opportunity for a larger gun that is still thin with a grip long enough to fit your whole hand on without a mag extension, like the Kahr that was pictured, but with a Glock or M&P action. One of the larger Kahrs will even (I believe) take a tweaked 1911 magazine. Seems like the trend is for smaller to always mean shorter, and they end up being stubby little things that are still just as chunky IWB. Take something like the Shield and make it as tall as the extended magazine and put a 4" barrel on it. Maybe this new Glock will be along those lines?

CalAlumnus
12-21-2018, 01:56 PM
Yeah, I think there would be an opportunity for a larger gun that is still thin with a grip long enough to fit your whole hand on without a mag extension, like the Kahr that was pictured, but with a Glock or M&P action. One of the larger Kahrs will even (I believe) take a tweaked 1911 magazine. Seems like the trend is for smaller to always mean shorter, and they end up being stubby little things that are still just as chunky IWB. Take something like the Shield and make it as tall as the extended magazine and put a 4" barrel on it. Maybe this new Glock will be along those lines?

The more I think about it, the more I think that this will be the approach. I actually think the “43x” and “Single Stack 19” are the same gun.

It’s tempting to start with an existing model and tweak it. That’s what Glock did with the 26, and that’s how a lot of people are thinking about this 43x in this thread (myself included).

Instead, I think (hope) Glock is designing the optimal solution around a 10 round capacity—optimal including shootability, accuracy, and concealability. In other words, to think about the value proposition of different firearms...

Glock 19: A shootable, concealable 15 round gun.
Glock 26: A cut down Glock 19, that accepts magazines from the larger guns, at the expense of shootability.
Glock 43: The smallest, most concealable 9mm Glock.
Glock 43x: The best compromise between shootability, concealability, and ammunition capacity. Longer but thinner than the 26, with a 4” barrel. Probably a 1.5-stack magazine; won’t accept double-stack magazines.

Sig P365: The smallest, most concealable 9mm with a 10 round capacity.

Spartan1980
12-21-2018, 02:54 PM
That’s a lot lower than I would have thought. It’s no wonder S&W have sold what? a million of the Shields now?
I think I remember seeing S&W state they sold over 1 million quite some time back long before the 2.0s came out. I'm sure they are way past 2 million by now.


The shields at $249 were a one time thing when they were being closed out in favor of the shield 2.0s. They normally run $300-$350 ish.
I've seen them at $279 multiple times. I got my wife's for that and with a rebate it came down to that or even a little less. Ironically it had a far better trigger out of the box than mine did. Mine got trigger work done to it, this one didn't even need it.

RevolverRob
12-21-2018, 02:56 PM
I'm kinda meh to this news.

I had really wanted the "G44" / Single Stack G19.

8rd single stack, 5" tall, 4" barrel.

Basically a Glock reliable version of the Kahr ST9:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-kp97pt369w/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2301/5383/SVimg-ST9093__71119.1515511858.jpg

Why not just get a Kahr ST9? All guns above the PM/CM size are very reliable.

And I honestly just find this thread hilarious, the worship for a gun no one has gotten hands on yet is fascinating. I’m sure it’ll be a great gun. But it’s just another Glock. Glock finally realizing the single-stack 9mm market is where it’s at for concealed carry after 15 years of being told. It’s almost like Glock thinks you suck and hates you...no wait that’s HK. No wait...which cane first a striker fired sub-compact HK or a single stack 9mm 3913-sized Glock? :eek:

ETA: Bold Prediction - dedicated Glock 19/26 carriers will buy a 43x, carry it for 6-months and then realize it doesn’t conceal better than a 26/19 and dump it, because it’s not backwards compatible with existing mags and holsters.

mmc45414
12-21-2018, 03:16 PM
Instead, I think (hope) Glock is designing the optimal solution around a 10 round capacity
Glock 26: A cut down Glock 19, that accepts magazines from the larger guns, at the expense of shootability.And remember the G26 was a baby of the Crime Bill and the ten round mags.

cornstalker
12-21-2018, 04:45 PM
Wherefore art thou PD10?

Preparation A thru G have failed. We are now into Preparation H.
:rolleyes:

RAM Engineer
12-21-2018, 06:15 PM
I hope Chance was right about the single-stack G19, since that's what my wife and I want!

Seems like WAY too much market overlap between a G43X and a single-stack G19. What would one provide that the other doesn't other than a longer barrel and rail?

psalms144.1
12-21-2018, 06:39 PM
For about a million years, a large number of GLOCK fans have been screaming for a GLOCK LW Commander - slim, light, single stack 9mm about G19 dimensions. If the G43X is a 4-inch barrel, 10-shot that's about 4.8-5" in OAL, I predict it will sell like hotcakes to that segment of folks who want a SLIM carry gun for CCW.

I think it'll also make a lot more sense for folks in stupid places that limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds, since factory neutered GLOCK mags have a history of being not-so-great, reliability wise.

I personally don't see any reason to pick one of these up - the P365 has the same capacity and is MUCH smaller. The G26 has the same capacity, but can reload off any of the multitude of G19 and/or G17 magazines in my collection. And, given the rough dimensions we're hearing, I don't see how it'll be all that much more concealable than the G19...

LittleLebowski
12-21-2018, 06:48 PM
#G43XCurious (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=G43XCurious)

echo5charlie
12-21-2018, 08:34 PM
I attended the Glock Operator Course in Smyrna a while ago. It was hinted a single stack G19-esque gun was being called for. This was not too long ago, but long enough that the X moniker was not on the market. FWIW.

spyderco monkey
12-21-2018, 08:43 PM
Why not just get a Kahr ST9? All guns above the PM/CM size are very reliable.



I'll probably pick one up if theres no other 4" single stack this year.

In general though, I prefer pistols made in Europe.

It doesn't have to be Glock - I would be beyond thrilled with a 4" barrel Walther PPS...basically a modern version of the Walther PP.

A HK Single stack with a polymer frame and VP9 trigger the size of the P7- sign me up.

MGW
12-21-2018, 08:43 PM
I'm kinda meh to this news.

I had really wanted the "G44" / Single Stack G19.

8rd single stack, 5" tall, 4" barrel.

Basically a Glock reliable version of the Kahr ST9:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-kp97pt369w/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2301/5383/SVimg-ST9093__71119.1515511858.jpg

Somewhere I have a picture of a T9 and Glock 19 side by side. The T9 was taller if I remember correctly.

I was on a kick for a single stack 19 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18015-Glock-19-size-single-stack) at one point. I tried most of them. The reality was thinner wasn't better for me. Really thin single stacks are hard to draw well, reload, and maintain a good grip on during recoil. If someone could crack the code on those issues, make it reliable, with a way to control the striker/hammer, and do it with out the weird grip hump of a Glock I would be really interested. How's that for what if's and run on sententeces?

Mjolnir
12-21-2018, 08:48 PM
I think another potential positive for it is extended magazines. If Glock produces a factory 12 rounder or TTI or someone else produces a reliable +2 or +3 then your approaching g19 capacity in a single stack.

And therein lies the conundrum.

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Seemingly, “EVERYBODY” wants more bullets and work themselves back into a 19, 19X, ...

[emoji1787][emoji23]

This will sell.


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Mjolnir
12-21-2018, 09:03 PM
For about a million years, a large number of GLOCK fans have been screaming for a GLOCK LW Commander - slim, light, single stack 9mm about G19 dimensions. If the G43X is a 4-inch barrel, 10-shot that's about 4.8-5" in OAL, I predict it will sell like hotcakes to that segment of folks who want a SLIM carry gun for CCW.

I think it'll also make a lot more sense for folks in stupid places that limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds, since factory neutered GLOCK mags have a history of being not-so-great, reliability wise.

I personally don't see any reason to pick one of these up - the P365 has the same capacity and is MUCH smaller. The G26 has the same capacity, but can reload off any of the multitude of G19 and/or G17 magazines in my collection. And, given the rough dimensions we're hearing, I don't see how it'll be all that much more concealable than the G19...

The 19 is BLOCKY compared to... VP9, P-07 and P-10C.

The Model 43 has a slimmer slide and its the right, rear corner of the slide that prints if you’re righthanded and carry AIWB.

A longer stock makes the pistol a little easier to grip and draw under stress as well as shoot it better at speed and/or under stress.

I don’t see this pistol being a bad thing at all.


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Nephrology
12-21-2018, 09:20 PM
Why not just get a Kahr ST9? All guns above the PM/CM size are very reliable.

And I honestly just find this thread hilarious, the worship for a gun no one has gotten hands on yet is fascinating. I’m sure it’ll be a great gun. But it’s just another Glock. Glock finally realizing the single-stack 9mm market is where it’s at for concealed carry after 15 years of being told. It’s almost like Glock thinks you suck and hates you...no wait that’s HK. No wait...which cane first a striker fired sub-compact HK or a single stack 9mm 3913-sized Glock? :eek:

ETA: Bold Prediction - dedicated Glock 19/26 carriers will buy a 43x, carry it for 6-months and then realize it doesn’t conceal better than a 26/19 and dump it, because it’s not backwards compatible with existing mags and holsters.

"Glock finally realizing the single-stack 9mm market is where it’s at for concealed carry after 15 years of being told." Seriously? Can you name a single model in current production that it will be competing with? S&W ditched the 3913, I'll remind you, so painting this as a no-duh move is a little silly.

The only competitor I can think of is Kahr, which doesn't have nearly the market share/production capacity. The SIG P225 counts too, but is nearly twice the price as the average Glock model MSRP.

If this does end up being a "single stack G19," I suspect it will sell very well in ban states. I'll definitely buy a couple just to be ready for the non-zero eventuality that I end up in a ban state again. I also own far more Glocks than is healthy, though, so YMMV.

RevolverRob
12-21-2018, 10:05 PM
"Glock finally realizing the single-stack 9mm market is where it’s at for concealed carry after 15 years of being told." Seriously? Can you name a single model in current production that it will be competing with? S&W ditched the 3913, I'll remind you, so painting this as a no-duh move is a little silly.

The only competitor I can think of is Kahr, which doesn't have nearly the market share/production capacity. The SIG P225 counts too, but is nearly twice the price as the average Glock model MSRP.

If this does end up being a "single stack G19," I suspect it will sell very well in ban states. I'll definitely buy a couple just to be ready for the non-zero eventuality that I end up in a ban state again. I also own far more Glocks than is healthy, though, so YMMV.

But remember it has to get to ban states. No one can get a G42/43 in California and chances of it getting on the roster are zero. No G43 in Mass either (though they have the G42 and Gen G19).

I don’t blame you for buying a few just in case you go ban state. If I was going to potentially move to a ban state I’d be stocking up on unavailable guns too.

FWIW, I hope it works well for everyone, I just find it amusing. I’m kind of being all gun hipster here, “I was into single-stack 9mms before it was cool.” :rolleyes:

Duelist
12-21-2018, 10:49 PM
Somewhere I have a picture of a T9 and Glock 19 side by side. The T9 was taller if I remember correctly.

I was on a kick for a single stack 19 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18015-Glock-19-size-single-stack) at one point. I tried most of them. The reality was thinner wasn't better for me. Really thin single stacks are hard to draw well, reload, and maintain a good grip on during recoil. If someone could crack the code on those issues, make it reliable, with a way to control the striker/hammer, and do it with out the weird grip hump of a Glock I would be really interested. How's that for what if's and run on sententeces?

The 3913/3913LS/3953 meet all of those requirements - with aftermarket grips, anyway.

They are reliable, accurate, well made, and I dearly love mine, but carry a G26. Because grip length, rounds, parts, and replacement availability.

Totem Polar
12-21-2018, 10:55 PM
I don’t blame you for buying a few just in case you go ban state. If I was going to potentially move to a ban state I’d be stocking up on unavailable guns too.



In the current social climate, it's entirely possible that the mountain could well come to Mohammed on this, too. That is certainly a real concern in Washington. Just saying.

All this speculation is giving me brain fog, but I will say that if the new offering looks anything like the branch of speculation going on about a longer, more capacious G43, I'm in.

Nephrology
12-21-2018, 11:05 PM
But remember it has to get to ban states. No one can get a G42/43 in California and chances of it getting on the roster are zero. No G43 in Mass either (though they have the G42 and Gen G19).

I don’t blame you for buying a few just in case you go ban state. If I was going to potentially move to a ban state I’d be stocking up on unavailable guns too.

FWIW, I hope it works well for everyone, I just find it amusing. I’m kind of being all gun hipster here, “I was into single-stack 9mms before it was cool.” :rolleyes:

Yeah I mean CA is beyond redemption, but it looks like at least Mass is still adding new Glocks to their roster, so it's not inconceivable that they'll make it onto the list eventually. There's also CT, NJ, MD, NY, and HI, so another 10% of the 50 US states.

I actually think the additional width stands to give it a kind of niche place in the CCW handgun market out there. When you think about it, we really do live in an extremely new and relatively spoiled era with regard to handguns designed for concealed carry. When I first got my permit about 10 years ago (not much time compared to others here), there were J frames, Kahrs, and double-stack subcompacts. Kahr and a few other models excepted, there were very few handguns explicitly designed for CCW.

It's nice that manufacturers (not just Glock) are moving into new territory and away from doublestack subcompact/compact/FS pistols. Even if I dont have any interest in buying one (Sig P365, Kimber K6, etc) I think it's great they're aiming at at market that consists primarily of folks like me.

Nephrology
12-21-2018, 11:05 PM
Seems like WAY too much market overlap between a G43X and a single-stack G19. What would one provide that the other doesn't other than a longer barrel and rail?

I think they are one and the same?

VT1032
12-21-2018, 11:20 PM
Did mass change their laws? I thought the deal was that you couldn't buy any glocks manufactured after 1998 or something like that?

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Nephrology
12-21-2018, 11:43 PM
Did mass change their laws? I thought the deal was that you couldn't buy any glocks manufactured after 1998 or something like that?

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Per what I think is their most recent roster (https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2018/04/23/Approved%20Firearms%20Roster%2004-2018.pdf), they have Gen 4 guns on their list, so they've added guns at least semi-recently.

VT1032
12-22-2018, 12:04 AM
Per what I think is their most recent roster (https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2018/04/23/Approved%20Firearms%20Roster%2004-2018.pdf), they have Gen 4 guns on their list, so they've added guns at least semi-recently.Ah, ok. There is more to it then that. Not all firearms on that list may be sold to the public by ffl's because they dont meet the attorney general's separate compliance requirements. There are a whole list of requirements to make a gun MA compliant, things like a minimum 10lb trigger pull. The standards went into effect in 1998 and pre 98 glocks are grandfathered. My understanding is that post 98 glocks can be sold to leo's but not the public. Just goes to show how convoluted MA's gun laws are, and that's just a general overview...

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spyderco monkey
12-22-2018, 03:02 AM
Somewhere I have a picture of a T9 and Glock 19 side by side. The T9 was taller if I remember correctly.

I was on a kick for a single stack 19 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18015-Glock-19-size-single-stack) at one point. I tried most of them. The reality was thinner wasn't better for me. Really thin single stacks are hard to draw well, reload, and maintain a good grip on during recoil. If someone could crack the code on those issues, make it reliable, with a way to control the striker/hammer, and do it with out the weird grip hump of a Glock I would be really interested. How's that for what if's and run on sententeces?

I don't have much issue shooting my 43, and I find the thinner grip 'points' more naturally for me, while also obviously printing less.

At the same time, I always use it with either +1/+2 base pads in order to get a full grip, and since its carried IWB, the short slide is of no benefit for concealement, and is a negative for recoil and velocity.

If I was designing an "Ideal ideal" single stack IWB pistol, it would be a 7rd flush fit grip, with option 8rd pinky rest magazine, and a 4" barrel. Basically like the older Kahr Tactical 9, which was the TP9 slide on the P9 frame:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lVnEh-4bDhQ/TgNPjToyMvI/AAAAAAAAADI/OL7qLk62m5w/s1600/TP9-NOVAK.png

In that configuration, you'd have a 4.5" high pistol with the 7rd mag, and a 5" high/ G19 sized pistol with the 8rd pinky mag. And you get the 4" barrel to allow you to shoot off the shelf duty ammo, rather then the specialized short barrel loads.

For example, a Shield or PPS with a 4" slide, would be that gun.

But thats a little too perfect to expect from Glock, so I would just be happy for the "single stack 19" / TP9 sized G44.

I'm worried the G43X will be what it sounds like - a G19X style pistol with a short slide and long grip. Which is basically the reverse of what I'm looking for in terms of a pistol.

littlejerry
12-22-2018, 10:10 AM
Went shooting with the wife recently and we were trying to identify her ideal pistol. Basically ended up describing a 42x. She's under 5ft and her weight is double digits, so she's always been one to shy away from full size guns.

Seems like a goofy gun but I'd be thrilled to buy her one.

karandom
12-22-2018, 10:44 AM
Ah, ok. There is more to it then that. Not all firearms on that list may be sold to the public by ffl's because they dont meet the attorney general's separate compliance requirements. There are a whole list of requirements to make a gun MA compliant, things like a minimum 10lb trigger pull. The standards went into effect in 1998 and pre 98 glocks are grandfathered. My understanding is that post 98 glocks can be sold to leo's but not the public. Just goes to show how convoluted MA's gun laws are, and that's just a general overview...

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Good old byzantine MA gun laws.

An individual can own new Glocks in Massachusetts (with 10 round mags or pre ban 10 round plus mags) legally. There are a few ways for newer guns not on the various "lists" to get into MA. Once in MA anyone can purchase them if they have the proper licensing, but due the rarity you will generally pay a premium. The 43x is interesting to me since its a hopefully reliable 10 round gun without neutering the magazine. Once its vetted I'll likely be one of the people overpaying for it in MA since our AG is a tyrant.

Nephrology
12-22-2018, 10:49 AM
Ah, ok. There is more to it then that. Not all firearms on that list may be sold to the public by ffl's because they dont meet the attorney general's separate compliance requirements. There are a whole list of requirements to make a gun MA compliant, things like a minimum 10lb trigger pull. The standards went into effect in 1998 and pre 98 glocks are grandfathered. My understanding is that post 98 glocks can be sold to leo's but not the public. Just goes to show how convoluted MA's gun laws are, and that's just a general overview...

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...there's more than one list??

Added to the reasons to not move to Mass.... sigh. As a Patriots fan this only adds to my self loathing.

karandom
12-22-2018, 11:37 AM
...there's more than one list??

Added to the reasons to not move to Mass.... sigh. As a Patriots fan this only adds to my self loathing.
Of course, one list would be way too easy. There is the EOPS roster that Glocks are on since the past an actual test so the police can use them. There are also "requirements" that the attorney general came up with under the guise of consumer protection with vague and undefined terms that require heavy trigger pull and other nonsense. FFL are not supposed to transfer handguns to the public that don't meet the AG requirements. MA is a cluster. I have spent hours and hours reading stuff the try avoid accidentally breaking one of the many often contradictory laws.

I always like to point out how the MA system is inherently biased against lower income folks as the amount of time and resources it takes is unfair to them relative to someone like me is lucky enough to do ok for themselves. That argument always messes with the heads of liberal MA folks. They don't like the hear the "rich white guy" is advantaged (I'm not rich sadly).

Duelist
12-22-2018, 11:40 AM
Went shooting with the wife recently and we were trying to identify her ideal pistol. Basically ended up describing a 42x. She's under 5ft and her weight is double digits, so she's always been one to shy away from full size guns.

Seems like a goofy gun but I'd be thrilled to buy her one.

Did she actually try the 42? What about the S&W .380 EZ?

Totem Polar
12-22-2018, 12:02 PM
Seems like a goofy gun but I'd be thrilled to buy her one.

A 42 with a bit more tube, both top and bottom, would be a hosing machine. I know, "phrasing," and all that, but one could really throw some lead downrange with a gun like that. A CZ83 for the new millennium.

nwhpfan
12-22-2018, 12:24 PM
The real question is...will this be Pocket Glocks or Subcompact division in GSSF?

GJM
12-22-2018, 01:56 PM
The real question is...will this be Pocket Glocks or Subcompact division in GSSF?

I know the person who will know!

Center Shot
12-22-2018, 02:18 PM
Looks like you were right with the G43X, how about the single stack G19?

https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-release-10-round-g43x-pistol-144330.html


I heard that the single stack G19 will be called the G48. Anyone have any info. on the G48?