Winchester 145 silvertip

[03RN]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/checkout/cart/

$35/box. Free shipping on 3+

I'll post this in the ammo deals thread but in case some of you don't click on that I wanted to share.

[TGS]

Here's the correct link: https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-357-magnum-145gr-silvertip-hollow-point-ammunition-50rds-x357shp.html

Kinda curious though.....what's the hype about? It might be cheap for Silvertip, but there's plenty of other 1st Gen low-quality hollowpoints similar to Silvertip for much less money (almost half as much if you shop around).....and on the other end of the spectrum, just a few dollars more gets you modern, first-rate defense ammo.

[03RN]

I posted a thread in the ammo section about recommended ammo for a 4" gun and a lot of knowledgeable guys recommended silver tips. At $50/box I'll pass. $35 with free shipping seems fair

Eta, thanks for the fixed link.

[Norville]

I ran across this in a roundabout way, thanks for posting.

The Silvertip is well regarded in .357, especially from 4” or longer barrels.

This is a good price and it is produced in batches so not always in stock.

[jtcarm]

I posted a thread in the ammo section about recommended ammo for a 4" gun and a lot of knowledgeable guys recommended silver tips. At $50/box I'll pass. $35 with free shipping seems fair

Eta, thanks for the fixed link.

Here’s why:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?33221-Snub-ammo-test-at-Revolver-Roundup&p=794804#post794804

[Rex G]

Thanks for the heads-up. My modest supply of .357 STHP ammo could use a refresh.

[Rex G]

Here's the correct link: https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-357-magnum-145gr-silvertip-hollow-point-ammunition-50rds-x357shp.html

Kinda curious though.....what's the hype about? It might be cheap for Silvertip, but there's plenty of other 1st Gen low-quality hollowpoints similar to Silvertip for much less money (almost half as much if you shop around).....and on the other end of the spectrum, just a few dollars more gets you modern, first-rate defense ammo.

I am unaware of any hype, but I do not really look and listen for it. .357 STHP has had a good real-world reputation here in Texas, and along the southern border, for a very long time. Recoil is reasonable, even when fired from SP101 snub-guns. POI tends to be closer to POA, with fixed-sight guns regulated for 158-grain ammo. The muzzle flash is modest, and a dull orange, at least with my older .41 and .357 Mag STHPs, when fired at night. (I know that manufacturers will change powders, as well as bullet consturction, from time to time.) I never considered the .357 STHP “second-rate.”

I am not arguing against “first-rate” stuff. I used silver-boxed Federal Cartridge Hi-Shok* .357 Magnum 125-grain JHC when I toted a GP100 duty sixgun in the early Nineties, during which my only application of lethal force, by firearm, occurred, and may have kept using it when I down-sized to K-Frames 1995-1997, but somewhere along the way, I stopped using the really hot ammo in anything smaller than a full-lug 4” GP100. (My formerly-stronger wrist has not aged gracefully.)

Please do not hear my “tone” as being argumentative. :)

FWIW, that one 125-grain JHC bullet, fired defensively, was devastatingly effective, and mostly fragmented. “Controlled-Expansion” was not yet as much of “a thing” in those days, and full-pressure .357 Mag apparently works decently well, against erect human targets, whether or not it fragments. STHP was better-known for holding together, than the 125-grain higher-pressure loads, and some were saying, at the time, it was the all-‘round better load, for that reason.

Notably, I never considered all Silvertip Hollowpoints to be equal. At least in the Eighties, when I tried them, .44 Special and .45 ACP Silvertips had quite low velocity, and VERY soft construction. I was concerned about insufficent penetration, especially after passing through intermediate barriers.

*Hi-Shok, not Hydra Shok, and JHC = Jacket Hollow Cavity, then-Federalese for JHP. I think Federal stopped using “Hi-Shok” for handgun ammo quite some time ago, and JHC may have died out, too. Due to changes in local availability, I switched to Speer Gold Dot for 125-grain ammo.

[Chuck Whitlock]

The Hi-Shok is, I believe, still available in their Classic line such as 9BP, 9BPLE, etc.
While not the terminal ballistic equal to the new stuff, they were typically match accurate.

[Wayne Dobbs]

The WW 145 STHP had a great reputation here in the Dallas area on turds when revolvers ruled in the 80s and 90s. There was lots of field validation of its effectiveness. I've also found it to be a great Texas white tail load in both 4" and 6" guns.

Thanks for the link...I'll be buying some of this.

[Lester Polfus]

Am I correct in thinking that when it comes to the .357 Magnum, it's less important to have the latest generation of projectile? It seems like it worked pretty well when it was an LE cartridge, and that much of the development of the other "service cartridges," particularly 9mm, was to get them to match the performance of the .357, without the attendant blast and recoil.

I just stocked up on Silvertips at a price considerably higher than this one, but I'm still tempted to buy some more. They are crazy accurate out of my new GP100.

[SeriousStudent]

Thank you for the link, I love how these work out of my Model 27 and 28.

And 19 and 60 and 64 and 66 and 640 and 686.......

Alright, I'll stop now.

[revchuck38]

Here's the correct link: https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-357-magnum-145gr-silvertip-hollow-point-ammunition-50rds-x357shp.html

Kinda curious though.....what's the hype about? It might be cheap for Silvertip, but there's plenty of other 1st Gen low-quality hollowpoints similar to Silvertip for much less money (almost half as much if you shop around).....and on the other end of the spectrum, just a few dollars more gets you modern, first-rate defense ammo.

Modern, first-rate defense ammo in .357 Magnum that shoots to point of aim in fixed-sight revolvers pretty much doesn't exist. 158-grain Gold Dot is apparently designed to not expand at handgun velocities. GDSB and GS apparently work well but require adjustable sights. I think I've read that 158-grain Hydra-Shok works pretty well. I run R-P 158-grain SJHPs in my 681.

There are a lot of qualifiers in the above short paragraph. There are almost no professionally tests done on .357 Mag loads because the ROI for the ammo manufacturers sucks. All we have to go on is testing of uneven quality by amateurs on the Internet (the best probably being the Lucky Gunner tests) and anecdotal evidence from folks who were at the sharp end when the revolver was still in broad usage. It sounds like the .357 Mag ST load checks the boxes that need checking.

If you can provide data to improve what we know, I'll be all over it like white on rice. :)

[Totem Polar]

So, I'm dinking around on that link for the last 10 minutes, trying to figure out why it won't let me do the 3 and get free shipping. Finally decided I was done messing with it, and just ordered one box, since that's all that would go into my cart. I guess that was the very last box they had... so, thanks for the link! Might be a while before we can score any more.

[Norville]

So, I'm dinking around on that link for the last 10 minutes, trying to figure out why it won't let me do the 3 and get free shipping. Finally decided I was done messing with it, and just ordered one box, since that's all that would go into my cart. I guess that was the very last box they had... so, thanks for the link! Might be a while before we can score any more.

Ha, nice job cleaning them out. Midway had it for $48 a box, which sent me to AmmoSeek, which led me to Palmetto. I secured 3 boxes earlier today.

A few other vendors have some, but nowhere near this price.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Modern, first-rate defense ammo in .357 Magnum that shoots to point of aim in fixed-sight revolvers pretty much doesn't exist. 158-grain Gold Dot is apparently designed to not expand at handgun velocities. GDSB and GS apparently work well but require adjustable sights. I think I've read that 158-grain Hydra-Shok works pretty well. I run R-P 158-grain SJHPs in my 681.

There are a lot of qualifiers in the above short paragraph. There are almost no professionally tests done on .357 Mag loads because the ROI for the ammo manufacturers sucks. All we have to go on is testing of uneven quality by amateurs on the Internet (the best probably being the Lucky Gunner tests) and anecdotal evidence from folks who were at the sharp end when the revolver was still in broad usage. It sounds like the .357 Mag ST load checks the boxes that need checking.

If you can provide data to improve what we know, I'll be all over it like white on rice. :)

The FBI tested it back when they first started their multi-event testing. It was done from a 3" Model 13 and performed well. I'll try to find one of their old journals and source that.

[Buckeye63]

I settled with Hornady 357mag 125gr FTX for my LCR357 a year or so ago .. I guess thats what I will use in my SP101 also ...I have a few boxes of 45 Colt in Winchester Silvertips I used to use in my Taurus 45 Colt snubbie

[Hambo]

The FBI tested it back when they first started their multi-event testing. It was done from a 3" Model 13 and performed well. I'll try to find one of their old journals and source that.

Wasn't it also their choice for those who carried .357 ammo?

[Wayne Dobbs]

Wasn't it also their choice for those who carried .357 ammo?

It was.

[LtDave]

The FBI tested it back when they first started their multi-event testing. It was done from a 3" Model 13 and performed well. I'll try to find one of their old journals and source that.

It was the issue FBI load in 1986. I still have a couple of boxes.

[jtcarm]

FWIW, Midway is closing then out:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/232952/winchester-super-x-ammunition-357-magnum-145-grain-silvertip-hollow-point

[Chuck Haggard]

Cutting and pasting this from a 2010 Winchester Excel spreadsheet on their FBI testing. The 145gr Silvertip is a very solid performing duty load IMHO.


X357SHP 357 Mag 145 STHP 1290 fps


"Bare Gelatin" "Heavy Cloth" Wallboard Plywood Steel Autoglass


Penetration 15.3 16.4 18.7 18.2 16.9 15.9

Expansion 0.55 0.58 0.57 0.45 0.56

Ret Wt. % 87 73 98 97 95 81

Ret Wt. Gr. 126 106 142 140 138 117

[Pit]

The FBI tested it back when they first started their multi-event testing. It was done from a 3" Model 13 and performed well. I'll try to find one of their old journals and source that.

This is what I have on hand from the ol days.
Wound Ballistic Workshop FBI Academy Sept 15 - 17, 1987
Test 89009 3" SW M13 Serial #6D8571 (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6D8571)
Winchester 357 145gr STip Lot 60VM72
Velocity 1166 fps

Mean. Pentration Expansion Weight
BG 15.8 .579 144.40
HC 12.9 .642 142.66
Steel 18.4 .486 123.48
WB 14.95 .610 143.67
Plywood 17.8 .528 143.07
Auto Gl 12.85 .445 99.90
Clothing 13.45 .623 143.80 Test @ 20 yards
Glass 3.95 .080 20.70 Test @ 20 yards

FWIW

JW

[OlongJohnson]

FWIW, Midway is closing then out:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/232952/winchester-super-x-ammunition-357-magnum-145-grain-silvertip-hollow-point

Lots of places have it in stock at that price or better.

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/020892201446

And gun.deals isn't even usually the best on ammo pricing. The four search engines linked in the ar-15/ammo sticky over at arfcom all give slightly different results, but will usually find the best prices available.

[TC215]

So I was turning some equipment in today, and went into a storage room behind our armory that I never new existed. It was full of cases of ammunition. In the very back, I found several cases of 145 grain Silvertip covered in dust. Naturally, I took several boxes.

It must be from the late 80’s/early 90’s. Our department had Model 64’s before switching to semi-auto’s in the very early 90’s. However, guys on the pistol team were allowed to carry 686’s and 681’s. I’m guessing this was the ammo they used.

http://i.imgur.com/X7dsoeD.jpg

[jtcarm]

“Nothin there but these empty boxes, boss”

[03RN]

Nice find:cool:

[Hambo]

So I was turning some equipment in today, and went into a storage room behind our armory that I never new existed. It was full of cases of ammunition. In the very back, I found several cases of 145 grain Silvertip covered in dust. Naturally, I took several boxes.

It must be from the late 80’s/early 90’s. Our department had Model 64’s before switching to semi-auto’s in the very early 90’s. However, guys on the pistol team were allowed to carry 686’s and 681’s. I’m guessing this was the ammo they used.

http://i.imgur.com/X7dsoeD.jpg

You should visit that room often.

[03RN]

You should visit that room often.

Are you sure it wasn't an old wardrobe?

[TC215]

You should visit that room often.

I only have two days left at the department, but the property officer invited me back before I leave.

[awp_101]

I only have two days left at the department, but the property officer invited me back before I leave.

Would a dolly or wagon be too conspicuous?

[TC215]

Would a dolly or wagon be too conspicuous?

Property has a shopping cart I plan on borrowing.

[Hambo]

Property has a shopping cart I plan on borrowing.

Hell, yeah. Get your parting gifts!

[RevolverRob]

Property has a shopping cart I plan on borrowing.

Share the wealth...:eek:

[Dave T]

When I retired I didn't get any ammo, or anything else. Good Grief!

Dave

[TC215]

Last day of work at the department. I tried to get a whole case out of storage, but it didn't work out. Ended up with 400 rounds.

[willie]

43 years ago I met the property man at the river where he had gone to dispose of several cases of corrosive .45 ACP ammo left over from Thompson days. He had a bad back, and I did not. He left.

[Inspector71]

Brings back memories. I still remember the day when the Port Director told me to clean out the armory of all old duty ammo (about 1998 as I recall), and to distribute it to any of the troops interested in it. Being a FI and an avid handgunner to boot, I certainly walked away with lots of various .38/357 loads from all the big manufactures. We had switched over to the 9mm several years before, and there were no other gov’t agencies interested in it.