VP9/P30 Factory 20 Round Magazines

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https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9-P30-20rd-Magazine/p/50239330

Well, it's cheaper than buying a 15 rounder and getting a TF extension. Hopefully it'll work with my HKParts EDC Magwell. If the bottom is just a plastic cover for the metal tube, I could see making a couple of 170mm-esque mags for USPSA.

[ssb]

Finally...

Edit: I've got three on the way to test out. I've been waiting on these for nightstand use.

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I have been told it is indeed a metal tube all the way down. I am excited to see if Robin can source some longer magazine springs to give me 25 rounders for USPSA; I wonder if the M&P +10 springs would work. I wounder how practical it would be to make such a stick my reload.

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I think the 20 rounder will be pushing it for OWB strong-side spare carry for me, but I certainly plan to try. Then again, I also plan on giving the DSG Koala pouch a whirl and that ought to make for a more concealable setup.

[GJM]

Talionis just told me about these, and I ordered three.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Very interested to hea4 you guys’ initial reports!


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[Bucky]

This is cool.


.... no, wait, something else to spend money on. :(

[GJM]

This is cool.


.... no, wait, something else to spend money on. :(

You have this backwards — these are saving money because they cost less than an OEM 15 round magazine plus a Taylor Freelance base! ;)

[Bucky]

You have this backwards — these are saving money because they cost less than an OEM 15 round magazine plus a Taylor Freelance base! ;)

Too late, I already have 5 of those. :eek:

[lwt16]

I appreciate the OP posting this. While I had no need for the 20 rounders, I found that the 15 rounders were in stock and on sale. Got my son 2 more magazines and some apparel (hat and tee shirt) to stuff his Christmas stocking with.

Thanks for the heads up.

[ssb]

I've got my three and I should be able to give mine a try this weekend in my VP9 and P30. They're a one-piece design and the spacer seems to lock into the floorplate. The spacer appears to be no wider than the OEM floorplate, so if a magwell is compatible with the OEM floorplates I would assume it will fit the magwell (I don't have one to check). I used my IOP credit to buy a few more just for grins.

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I have maybe 150 rounds between two of them. Not a super high count, but they got rained on and dropped in the mud a bit. No feeding issues in either my VP9 or P30. Ammo was 147gr HST and 147gr Lawman.

[Sharkbite]

they got rained on and dropped in the mud a bit.

That's putting it mildly!🙂

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I made some 170mm mags for my P30LS. We'll see how they actually run this weekend at USPSA.
https://i.imgur.com/275cww8.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/d7V7XCW.jpg)

[GJM]

My three arrived and they look typical HK quality. My guess is they don’t fit a 140mm gauge.

[olstyn]

Man, HK is never going to live down that ad, are they? Nice homage. :)

[GJM]

Shot enough rounds through an OEM 20 today to know they are typical HK quality. All 20 rounds easily load, and you can easily insert a full magazine with the slide forward. As is also typical of HK magazines, the body is longer for a given number of rounds, which is where they come down on the reliability/capacity equation. All serious HK timmies will want some of these.

Comparison picture of the HK 20 and a Glock 17+2.

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[RealSelf]

I can't seem to figure out if these are really competition only type magazine or if they are made to carry/duty applications? Anybody have info here to add?

[Sig_Fiend]

I can't seem to figure out if these are really competition only type magazine or if they are made to carry/duty applications? Anybody have info here to add?

They are fully steel. The mag sleeve does prevent overinsertion and leaves ~1mm of clearance between the feed lips and ejector.
Use these for defensive use with confidence as they are robust. I have one in my bedside P30. Duty use is outside of my lane.

What I wouldn't recommend is running these with the mag sleeve removed. An HK ejector, if broken, is not replaceable and means your frame is toast.
The VP9/P30 series don't have any overinsertion prevention mechanism except the baseplate or sleeve.

[Archer1440]

They are fully steel. The mag sleeve does prevent overinsertion and leaves ~1mm of clearance between the feed lips and ejector.
Use these for defensive use with confidence as they are robust. I have one in my bedside P30. Duty use is outside of my lane.

What I wouldn't recommend is running these with the mag sleeve removed. An HK ejector, if broken, is not replaceable and means your frame is toast.
The VP9/P30 series don't have any overinsertion prevention mechanism except the baseplate or sleeve.

Actually, the ejector on a VP9 is replaceable. It’s not particularly easy but it is a separate piece. PN 50260464, it’s built into the “trigger housing” which is actually the stamped steel carrier for the sear pack.

You’re right about the P30, though.

The 20 round mags are completely reliable, however, they do not fit the USPSA 140 mm gauge.

For competition purposes, a 17 round magazine with the Taylor Freelance BORTAC base and spring holds 22 rounds and fits the gage. Allows for in-battery reloads, as well, though I tend to download by one for competition purposes except on the starting mag.

It is also completely reliable and I daily carry one loaded to 21 rounds as my ccw backup mag.

[Sig_Fiend]

Actually, the ejector on a VP9 is replaceable. It’s not particularly easy but it is a separate piece. PN 50260464, it’s built into the “trigger housing” which is actually the stamped steel carrier for the sear pack.

You’re right about the P30, though.

The 20 round mags are completely reliable, however, they do not fit the USPSA 140 mm gauge.

For competition purposes, a 17 round magazine with the Taylor Freelance BORTAC base and spring holds 22 rounds and fits the gage. Allows for in-battery reloads, as well, though I tend to download by one for competition purposes except on the starting mag.

It is also completely reliable and I daily carry one loaded to 21 rounds as my ccw backup mag.

Good catch. Sorry about that. When it comes to HK's, my frame of mind is always their hammer guns. I don't mess with my VP9 much.

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The 20 round mags are completely reliable, however, they do not fit the USPSA 140 mm gauge.

For competition purposes, a 17 round magazine with the Taylor Freelance BORTAC base and spring holds 22 rounds and fits the gage. Allows for in-battery reloads, as well, though I tend to download by one for competition purposes except on the starting mag.FWIW, for competition, the ghetto ~170mm mags I made is closer to 165mm, and hold 27 rounds very comfortably if you swap the follower with one from one of those 15-to-17-round conversion kits (much easier to load to 27 than loading the 17 rounders with a TF to 22). I'm not worried about overinsertion as I'm doing slide forward reloads almost exclusively.

[Archer1440]

FWIW, for competition, the ghetto ~170mm mags I made is closer to 165mm, and hold 27 rounds very comfortably if you swap the follower with one from one of those 15-to-17-round conversion kits (much easier to load to 27 than loading the 17 rounders with a TF to 22). I'm not worried about overinsertion as I'm doing slide forward reloads almost exclusively.

What solution are you using for the mag spring?

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What solution are you using for the mag spring?https://taylorfreelancestore.com/tf-wolff-spring-for-m-p-10-canik-9-14-coil/

I just put in the notes to replace the standard +5 springs that come with the baseplates with one of those, and they've always swapped it out for me, free of charge. The VP9/P30 baseplates used to use the same spring as the M&P and Canik baseplates, not sure what's changed, but apparently now the P320 and VP9/P30 baseplates share a spring. Haven't had any issues yet though, outside of the expected feed issues when the followers get hung up due to a bunch of dirt and grit getting inside the mag.

[Archer1440]

https://taylorfreelancestore.com/tf-wolff-spring-for-m-p-10-canik-9-14-coil/

I just put in the notes to replace the standard +5 springs that come with the baseplates with one of those, and they've always swapped it out for me, free of charge. The VP9/P30 baseplates used to use the same spring as the M&P and Canik baseplates, not sure what's changed, but apparently now the P320 and VP9/P30 baseplates share a spring. Haven't had any issues yet though, outside of the expected feed issues when the followers get hung up due to a bunch of dirt and grit getting inside the mag.

Great info.

One change in the past couple of years with respect to the 15-17 round mag body +5 spring was a narrowing of the top spring loop to better fit the 17-round follower pocket (underside), differentiating the springs used for the former 15 round followers (wider top loop) from the newer 17 round followers (much narrower top loop). That change improves slide lock performance.

In the case of the BORTAC kits for the 17-rounders TF now specifies which spring is for which. I got burned on that earlier this year, and they fixed it since then. For those who want the 22 round solution for the BORTAC extension on a 17 round mag (USPSA 140 gage compliant), you want the "TF/Wolff Spring for Sig 320 and HK VP9/P30 +5 (13 coil)". NOT the older 15 round mag spring (and TF now has the "old" nomenclature on that part.

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One change in the past couple of years with respect to the 15-17 round mag body +5 spring was a narrowing of the top spring loop to better fit the 17-round follower pocket (underside), differentiating the springs used for the former 15 round followers (wider top loop) from the newer 17 round followers (much narrower top loop). That change improves slide lock performance.

In the case of the BORTAC kits for the 17-rounders TF now specifies which spring is for which. I got burned on that earlier this year, and they fixed it since then. For those who want the 22 round solution for the BORTAC extension on a 17 round mag (USPSA 140 gage compliant), you want the "TF/Wolff Spring for Sig 320 and HK VP9/P30 +5 (13 coil)". NOT the older 15 round mag spring (and TF now has the "old" nomenclature on that part.Interesting. I haven't noticed any lock-back issues that could be attributed to this, but I also rarely hit slide lock, and most of the times I do I'm doing Timmy drills in full kit, including gloves, and with the gloves on I've never had great luck with the slide locking back. When testing comps specifically for slide lock, I've not had any issues that couldn't be attributed to either weak ammo/comp issues. Still, good to know.

I do really, really, really fucking wish that H&K would sell the 17 round followers by themselves though.

[Archer1440]

I do really, really, really fucking wish that H&K would sell the 17 round followers by themselves though.

From your keyboard to their ears.

[javemtr]

I do really, really, really fucking wish that H&K would sell the 17 round followers by themselves though.
Here you go:
https://hkparts.net/all-parts/h-k-hk-vp9-p30-15-round-to-17-round-magazine-conversion-kit/

[Archer1440]

Here you go:
https://hkparts.net/all-parts/h-k-hk-vp9-p30-15-round-to-17-round-magazine-conversion-kit/

I think we’re talking about just the (red) follower. The full kits have already been available for two years now.

And I prefer to buy from HK USA directly rather than the company that calls itself “HK Parts”…
For reasons.

[javemtr]

Are we sure the followers alone are enough to convert the magazines? I seem to remember the base plate is different as well?
Difference mentioned here: https://youtu.be/Oi13RNqgPkA?si=CjBbp_mJPokfycJm
And yes, disdain for HKparts is well-founded for a number of reasons.

[Archer1440]

Are we sure the followers alone are enough to convert the magazines? I seem to remember the base plate is different as well?
Difference mentioned here: https://youtu.be/Oi13RNqgPkA?si=CjBbp_mJPokfycJm
And yes, disdain for HKparts is well-founded for a number of reasons.

Yup, you’re right about a conversion - I’m simply talking about being able to get just the follower for those of us who do yearly rebuilding of competition 17 +5’s, where neither the spring or floorplate is relevant. A fresh follower is always welcome for that situation. Just not 15 bucks worth of welcome per mag.

[javemtr]

Oooh sorry, I didn't understand that's what you were looking for.
Calling HK customer service is always a sound idea. Otherwise, Midwest Gun Works and Top Gun Supply seem to sell followers by themselves, part number is 215836

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Oooh sorry, I didn't understand that's what you were looking for.
Calling HK customer service is always a sound idea. Otherwise, Midwest Gun Works and Top Gun Supply seem to sell followers by themselves, part number is 215836I have called H&K USA CS many times. They've always been apologetically unable to sell the 17 round followers by themselves, with no time frame as to when they might be able to sell them by themselves. As noted, I'm using the followers strictly to convert/refresh my mags that use baseplates, so the rest of the kit is useless to me.

P/N 215836 is the old 15 round followers.

[javemtr]

You are correct! I guess the search continues. :(

[javemtr]

I sent an email to HK Oberndorf, we'll see if they answer.