Anyone else having trouble not building RECCE's???

[navyman8903]

Every rifle I'm building at the moment save 4 projected/projects are Reece's. That's the lion share of my AR pattern rifles. Pretty much every 14.5-16" rifle I have in my inventory is wearing a VPO of some sort, or will be. The only rifles I'm planning on not RECCE......uh......ING (?) is an HK 416 10.4" build which will have an EoTech/3x mag, a BCM 11.5 w/Comp M5s, M16A4 with TA31, and another HK MR762 which will be a DMR for dedicated suppressed work with a surefire Mini 762.


Is RECCE just da wae? Is 1-6x and 1-8x life?

[Duke]

Personally if I never see the word “Recce” again I’ll be just fine.

[JFK]

I don't even know what RECCE means.... Please enlighten.

[olstyn]

Far be it from me to tell anybody that they have too many guns, but the OP's lament could only come from someone who has way more guns than s/he truly needs. :)

[Casual Friday]

So are we calling any rifle with a LPVO a REECE now?

[Dan_S]

I don't even know what RECCE means.... Please enlighten.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle


Consider yourself enlightened. :cool:

[NH Shooter]

Avoiding the over-used "RECCE" designation altogether, a 16-inch AR with some form of low-powered optic is such a versatile package that they are indeed an excellent example of a grab-'n-go AR.

My 7-pound FFART (Fudd Farm Armalite-pattern Recon Tactical) out on wabbit patrol;

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[JFK]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle


Consider yourself enlightened. :cool:

So basically an AR that is usable.

[NH Shooter]

So basically an AR that is usable and doesn't weigh as much as a boat anchor.

FIFY

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I appreciate the work put in by the original operators who pioneered the RECCE concept. There insight has greatly furthered current rifle trends to make the AR more ergonomic and functional but now it's getting a little ridiculous.

I like BCM as a company tremendously, but that being said they are one of the worst offenders. Almost every upper they make now is called a RECCE.

The formula of ~16" barrel + long rail + variable optic = magic sauce still does hold true though

[Rex G]

I have disremembered what the letters in the acronym “RECCE” mean, but I reckon that the original concept was a good idea; no pun intended. A rifle with a shorter barrel fits into a space where a 20”+ rifle cannot, a good lighter-weight rifle is better, for my knees, during extended carries, than a heavy rifle, and, optics are good for my aging eyes. Does any of this apply to a RECCE? Some of it probably does, and that is OK with me.

[NH Shooter]

I like BCM as a company tremendously, but that being said they are one of the worst offenders. Almost every upper they make now is called a RECCE.

When I purchased it, the 16-inch ELW BFH mid-length upper was listed on the BCM site in both the "16 inch mid-length" and "16-inch RECCE" categories. I ordered mine from the mid-length category to avoid any "operator wannabe" inference. ;-/

Besides, mine is equipped with only a Fudd-style low-power, fixed-magnification, non-tactical hunting scope.

[BCG]

I have disremembered what the letters in the acronym “RECCE” mean

I was not aware that RECCE had been turned into an acronym.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but "recce", pronounced "wreck - ee", is simply military slang for "reconnaissance".

As anyone who spent too much time reading Soldier of Fortune as a teenager in the 1980s may remember, "Recces" was also the name of a South African special forces unit.

PS -- If RECCE is not already an acronym for something, I'm sure somebody will turn it into one (e.g., Rifle Enhanced for Close Combat Experience).

[Trooper224]

I don't even know what RECCE means.... Please enlighten.

You don't have to know what it means. Just use it and you're as operator as fuck.

[Darth_Uno]

If I had to pick just one of my AR’s to keep, it’d be my 16” Aero with Millett DMS-2 scope (and I’d add offset irons which I just never got around to yet). I don’t really care what you call it, it’s a damn good setup.

I’ve pretty much stopped bringing all my AR’s to group/church shoots because everybody just shoots this one. The optic makes it easy to hit exactly what you aim at, which is good because that’s the the whole point of having it vs a 1x red dot.

FWIW while it’s certainly not the most expensive option, I’ve been extremely pleased with the DMS-2. In a GG&G mount it’s held zero for a couple thousand rounds.

[Rex G]

I was not aware that RECCE had been turned into an acronym.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but "recce", pronounced "wreck - ee", is simply military slang for "reconnaissance".

As anyone who spent too much time reading Soldier of Fortune as a teenager in the 1980s may remember, "Recces" was also the name of a South African special forces unit.

PS -- If RECCE is not already an acronym for something, I'm sure somebody will turn it into one (e.g., Rifle Enhanced for Close Combat Experience).

Interesting. I would have thought something in all-caps would be an acronym, especially anything mil/gov.

[Grouse870]

It’s a great concept. I’ve built two (one in 5.56 and one in .300 blackout) 6.5 Grendel is the next one I would like to build

[El Cid]

My first build was a Recce. But I’m waiting for the 1-6 options to improve before doing another. Though my 12” bbl upper may get a budget LPV just to see if a precision SBR has merit.

[texasaggie2005]

When I reclassified my rifle from a carbine into a RECCE, it cut my groups in half. #fact (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=fact)

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[navyman8903]

When I reclassified my rifle from a carbine into a RECCE, it cut my groups in half. #fact (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=fact)

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Did you immediately grow a beard, find yourself wearing Oakley's and start dipping cope long cut?

[El Cid]

/snip/.... wearing Oakley's...

Since Recce was traditionally a Navy term (Army used SPR) shouldn’t it be Gators? ;)

[navyman8903]

Since Recce was traditionally a Navy term (Army used SPR) shouldn’t it be Gators? ;)

Good point.

[texasaggie2005]

Did you immediately grow a beard, find yourself wearing Oakley's and start dipping cope long cut?

Been an Oakley & Cope fan since before I owned an AR. But, I did recently pick-up some FDE Salomon Forces and Kuhl pants. So I pretty much consider myself operator as fuck.

But seriously, I'd attribute the 1-6 LPVO over the Aimpoint as the biggest increase in my RECCE rifle's capability.

[Lost River]

I appreciate the work put in by the original operators who pioneered the RECCE concept. There insight has greatly furthered current rifle trends to make the AR more ergonomic and functional but now it's getting a little ridiculous.

I like BCM as a company tremendously, but that being said they are one of the worst offenders. Almost every upper they make now is called a RECCE.

The formula of ~16" barrel + long rail + variable optic = magic sauce still does hold true though



So, not to cast shade on the Navy, but Western U.S. Coyote hunters have been using what was later called the RECCE concept for a good number of years.

Hell, ask the hunters online like at a place like the Predator Masters forum what the biggest trend was in rifles in the 90s, and I would lay odds on them describing what we now call a RECCE rifle/carbine.


https://i.imgur.com/AEJMWn1.jpg

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But as to the OPs comments, I would say, mix it up.

Go with a MK-18Mod1 pistol,
or go with an ultralight hunting rig.
Or step up to the AR-10 size.. and shoot .308s.

[Lost River]

A Purpose built rifle, like this one, which I made specifically for hunting coyotes, could be an option.


https://i.imgur.com/qhNS3Nw.jpg




I wanted to build one like this due to the fact that I walk a bunch between sets and often in deep snow, so light weight is important.

Plus freezing metal sucks the warmth right out of your hands, so I went with a carbon fiber fore-end. Saved weight with it as well.

I also had the White Oak match barrel turned down to a Colt "Pencil" profile. That save a good bit of weight as well.







Anyways, You could find a specific task/chore/sport that you feel a need to build a new rifle for and orient your next build in that direction.

[Mark D]

I'm not an operator, but I did watch Sicario II. And I wear a G shock occasionally, so that must count for something, right?

Aren't the hunting ARs more in line with a designated marksman rifle? While the RECCE was supposed to be a jack-of-all trades rifle; short enough for CQB but with a vari-power optic for longer engagements too.

[HCM]

I'm not an operator, but I did watch Sicario II. And I wear a G shock occasionally, so that must count for something, right?

Aren't the hunting ARs more in line with a designated marksman rifle? While the RECCE was supposed to be a jack-of-all trades rifle; short enough for CQB but with a vari-power optic for longer engagements too.

The REECE and the SPR are similar, with the RECCE (at least later ones) using shorter thicker barrels. Both are longer range rifles first but are also capable of being used for fighting at closer ranges. The idea was to avoid carrying a dedicated precision rifle AND an M4 unless absolutely necessary. For example the classic RECCE optic would be a 2.5-10x, or a 2-8x sometimes supplemented with an MRDS.

While you could do CQB in a pinch with sat a 16” AR and BU MRDS it doesn’t mean you would equip your asaulters with RECCE rifles.

It’s still a specialist gun vs the latest Gen SOCOM carbines using 1-6 LPV as “so all” optics. Those do all guns are using the Vortex razor 1-6 because it is a great RDS replacement at 1x for the 80% while still giving the 6x option for the 15-20% of time it is needed.