I'm No Fan of Tucker Carslon...but...

[blues]

...this is beyond the pale (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/).


An Antifa angry mob gathered outside of Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson's home on Wednesday evening.

The anti-fascists group, possibly associated with Smash Racism D.C., chanted "Tucker Carlson, we will fight. We know where you sleep at night" outside of Carlson's Washington home, according to Fox News. In a video posted online, the group can also be heard saying, "Racist scumbag, leave town!"

Carlson's wife, Susie, was home alone at the time. He told Fox she locked herself into a pantry and called police.

The host of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" said the group broke his oak door and one person mentioned a pipe bomb, as heard on a security video.


This needs to be squashed and squashed hard.

[Leroy Suggs]

...this is beyond the pale (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/).




This needs to be squashed and squashed hard.


Yes. Yes it does.

[Irelander]

Interesting how different things turn out in different locales.

If this had been a certain mom's house in SC, it might have been different when they breached the door.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots-home-invader-i-wouldve-killed-him-if-i-had-to

[blues]

Yes. Yes it does.

Leroy Suggs Welcome back brother. I hope the damage from the storms wasn't worse than we had discussed on the phone.

[JRB]

Pretty easy to justify an AR or AK with 30 round magazines when mobs are literally at your door.

[blues]

Pretty easy to justify an AR or AK with 30 round magazines when mobs are literally at your door.

Exactly so. I was thinking the same thing, especially considering that I live in a rural county of about 30,000 souls and the sheriff's office only has so many deputies on patrol at any given time.

[Bart Carter]

An Antifa angry mob gathered outside of Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson's home on Wednesday evening.

The anti-fascists group, possibly associated with Smash Racism D.C., chanted "Tucker Carlson, we will fight. We know where you sleep at night" outside of Carlson's Washington home, according to Fox News. In a video posted online, the group can also be heard saying, "Racist scumbag, leave town!"

Carlson's wife, Susie, was home alone at the time. He told Fox she locked herself into a pantry and called police.

The host of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" said the group broke his oak door and one person mentioned a pipe bomb, as heard on a security video.

This is why we need, at a minimum, standard capacity magazines with our ARs.

Also, pistols with standard capacity magazines to fight to get to our ARs. :p

I can't believe no one was arrested.

[Grey]

It's DC. What do you expect? Another reason I will never move back.

[GuanoLoco]

You want to have a party? Let’s have a BIG party.

I’ll invite MY friends and tell them to bring all their toys.

[CCT125US]

Certainly an outlier event, but yet very real to the Carlson's. After LE has been called, what could the average citizen (legally) do in the meantime? As stated, the mob is literally at your door.




ETA: "legally"

[RevolverRob]

Certainly an outlier event, but yet very real to the Carlson's. After LE has been called, what could the average citizen (legally) do in the meantime? As stated, the mob is literally at your door.

ETA: "legally"

As long as they stay outside? You stay hunkered down inside, locked and loaded.

They breach the door and start coming inside? You open up on those mothers like you're in the 101st at Bastogne making a last stand. You see someone with a bomb or a Molotov? Burn that mother down. I don't give a shit if it's Washington D.C., Portland, Oregon, or Chicago, Illinois. A mob of people breaking down my door is going to be met head on in a hail of gunfire.

Someone should offer Mrs. Carlson a solid training course in a long-gun platform. A 1301T should be DC legal, a couple of those with red-dots will help secure the building. Can you even actually get a permit to carry in DC yet? If so, someone get her and her idiot husband a couple of Glocks and a bunch of training. I imagine Mr. Carlson is good enough to be allowed to carry his handgun right on set at Fox News.

The sad part is? Tucker Carlson is such a pansy, his wife had to hide in the pantry and call 911. My wife would've opened up with her shotgun and sent several of them to the morgue. She's not only a tough lady, but I made sure she's had all the necessary training to handle herself if I'm not around (and even if I am, then it's two of us against the horde).

[blues]

Certainly an outlier event, but yet very real to the Carlson's. After LE has been called, what could the average citizen (legally) do in the meantime? As stated, the mob is literally at your door.




ETA: "legally"

The article says they broke his door. If someone is breaking down my door here where I live, I can take measures to keep them out. (Don't have to wait until they get inside.)

I think you know what that includes.

Since I'm not conversant with D.C. rules and regs, I'll defer.

ETA:

From the NC statute:


The lawful occupant of a home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to have
held a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or herself or another
when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to
another if both of the following apply:
(1) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of
unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a
home, motor vehicle, or workplace, or if that person had removed or was
attempting to remove another against that person's will from the home,
motor vehicle, or workplace.
(2) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an
unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or
had occurred

[HCountyGuy]

Was this in response to anything specific said by Carlson or was this just an episode of “spontaneous” domestic terrorism? Either way, I hope the Carlson family starts putting some planning in to effectively defending their home from any such future invasions.

Frankly I wish there had been a different outcome in which a few of those actual fascists had their birth certificates nullified.

[blues]

Was this in response to anything specific said by Carlson or was this just an episode of “spontaneous” domestic terrorism? Either way, I hope the Carlson family starts putting some planning in to effectively defending their home from any such future invasions.

Frankly I wish there had been a different outcome in which a few of those actual fascists had their birth certificates nullified.

On the bright side, they'd still be able to vote. :rolleyes:

[fly out]

I don't mind Tucker. He seems pretty fearless in sharing opinions that are outside the current "politically correct" lines of thought.

I also don't assume his wife was unarmed in the pantry. He routinely says that he owns many guns. I don't know where he keeps them, obviously, but he is a gun owner, and proud of it. (And for all we know, "pantry" might be their safe room...he lives in a pretty nice neighborhood, I think.)

[TAZ]

Was this in response to anything specific said by Carlson or was this just an episode of “spontaneous” domestic terrorism? Either way, I hope the Carlson family starts putting some planning in to effectively defending their home from any such future invasions.

Frankly I wish there had been a different outcome in which a few of those actual fascists had their birth certificates nullified.

Not sure I wish upon the Carlson’s the weight of having killed someone, but one of these instances is going to get out of hand and folks are going to get killed.

I’m sure the MSM story will be its was due to a YouTube video released by the NRA.



Certainly an outlier event, but yet very real to the Carlson's. After LE has been called, what could the average citizen (legally) do in the meantime? As stated, the mob is literally at your door.
ETA: "legally"

May be an outlier event for the 400000000 Americans, but it’s not an outlier for ANTIFA or other emboldened liberal radicals (see Berkley, McConnels home and dinner, Ted Cruz dinner, Sarah Sanders dinner,...)

Legally, it will vary by region, but until/unless they break into your home after making verbal threats you’re best bet is to stay put and wait for the cops to show. Unless some liberal dolt tells them not to respond like say Portland ICE. If they breach you best know the rules of the road in your area as to when you can legally perforate them in defense of your and your families lives.

If the cops get there, don’t expect any consequences for the mob. Maybe Trespass, Disordering Conduct, Making Terroristic threats... but nothing of real consequence that a DA will want to drag to court. Plea bargains to some less charge and put they go.

If you do end up shooting, you will be in jail though.

[Poconnor]

If I was in that situation I wouldn’t be worried about them breaking in. Mobs like that are more likely to firebomb the house. The ghetto loves to burn cars and garbage dumpsters for entertainment. Tucker should move.

[Spartan1980]

If they FORCIBLY breach my door and cross my threshold, I'm ventilating them, local laws be damned. Whatever happens to me happens.

[blues]

Found this document (https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/page_content/attachments/District%20Law%20Pertaining%20to%20Self%20Defense. pdf) pertaining to D.C. use of force.


You may use reasonable non-deadly force to protect your home or business if you
reasonably believe that your property is in imminent danger of an unlawful trespass and
such force is necessary to avoid the danger. Similarly, if a person has unlawfully
trespassed on your property, you may use reasonable non-deadly force to eject them.

Generally, you may not use deadly force to protect your property. However, if you
reasonably believe that an intruder is entering your home or business with the intent to
commit a felony (such as murder, rape, robbery or burglary) or seriously harm any of its
occupants, you may use deadly force.

[Stephanie B]

...this is beyond the pale (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/).

This needs to be squashed and squashed hard.
Agreed. Grapeshot; a whiff of

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I fail to see why shooting your double barreled shotgun out the window into the air is not sufficient. I heard an expert recommend that. He lived in the area.

[Bergeron]

What an awful situation. I feel even worse that it was up to this guy’s wife to deal with the situation by herself.

I understand that while there are parts of the US that can suffer from non-political violence, we are almost uniquely spared from the great majority of political violence. I wish people could get it into their heads that all peaceful, law-abiding citizens are on the same team, and that the only “enemy” or “other” are the people swinging bike locks and moving over pedestrians. Mobs such as this one are on that side, and are contrary to everything in the American political tradition.

From a self-defense standpoint, a mob such as this seems to pose a hell of a challenge. The earlier comment concerned about a fire bomb is precise. I think that’s a bigger risk than someone entering the home. If I were in an inner room (no kids in my case, a simpler problem), I would personally plan to hide out there and would bprepared to tolerate some level of burglary or hooliganism as long as no one approached my inner room. I’d hope for the speedy arrival of police to keep from having to forcibly defend myself.

From the technical perspective of self-defense, my concern would be for the crowd’s reaction to forcible self-defense. I could understand the crowd scattering at a shot or two, and I know of instances where that has happened, but I don’t know how often the opposite reaction occurs, and the crowd goes bonkers for someone’s head. I don’t know if even a DMag worth of 556 would stop an enraged crowd that had a person surrounded. I’d love to hear more about this from someone with better knowledge and experience than myself.

[TheNewbie]

Tucker Carlson is paying the price for challenging the left. This is their age old tactic, and it's pure evil.

[Grey]

Not even sure if you can get a long gun im DC. All this stuff needs to get registered as well. Enjoy that process.

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[okie john]

Seems like a GoPro on a long gun might have some utility here.


Okie John

[Drang]

Was this in response to anything specific said by Carlson or was this just an episode of “spontaneous” domestic terrorism?
What difference does it make?

[HCountyGuy]

What difference does it make?

In the end, none. I was simply curious if there was a specific, recent catalyst to trigger this.

[45dotACP]

Getcha a 12 gauge so you can hit airborne molotovs...

In all seriousness. What is the rule if you see a firebomb? If you fire a shot at the holder and he drops it and sets a few people on fire, or if you miss and pop some poli-sci major in the grape.

If they threaten with a bomb, I'm guessing it's still illegal to blanket the area in gunfire to disperse a crowd and the holder of such a device who isn't immediately visible.

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[Bart Carter]

If a mob has someone in its group that throws a fire bomb, aren't they all guilty? They know they are part of the mob. Does it matter whether on not they know someone is going to throw a fire bomb? Is a get-a-way driver guilty if his partner shoots someone during a robbery if the driver doesn't know the shooter had a gun?

Seriously, not being in law enforcement myself, I would like to know.

[Totem Polar]

IANAL, but my memory is that anyone in a mob shares responsibility for the actions of the mob (ref: Warren on homicide)

I am way out of my lane on this one though, we really need a lawyer type.

[Ivantheterrible]

I fail to see why shooting your double barreled shotgun out the window into the air is not sufficient. I heard an expert recommend that. He lived in the area.

LOL! I sure ole Joe came running up to Mr. Carlson's defense with his old side-by-side.