Surefire Stiletto

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Anybody seen this? Looks like a perfect little pocket light. Funny how they always seem to have these new products right before Christmas.
https://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/stiletto-multi-output-rechargeable-pocket-led-flashlight.html
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[APS-PF]

I've been following it since I saw the SHOT videos. Kinda wish it had a mode between 5 lumens and 250 lumens. Like the middle mode on the Sidekick which I think is 50 lumens.

[JCS]

I’m intrigued. John Johnston has been showing it off on IG. I like that’s it’s more flat than traditional flashlights

[Totem Polar]

This place is always costing me money. In this instance, I don’t even know how much. Kam Thaman?

[RJ]

I’m intrigued. John Johnston has been showing it off on IG. I like that’s it’s more flat than traditional flashlights

So THATS what that is.

[RJ]

This place is always costing me money. In this instance, I don’t even know how much. Kam Thaman?

I don’t need another flashlight.

I don’t need another flashlight.

I don’t ne


Oh shit.

How much? $109? Hmmm...

[SouthNarc]

I have one and it’s a slick light. It rides like a folding knife in your pocket and is way more carryable than a traditional cylinder type light.

[JCS]

I don’t need another flashlight.

I don’t need another flashlight.

I don’t ne


Oh shit.

How much? $109? Hmmm...

Much less than that if you use the code: aziz light

I think it’s 25% off surefire website pricing.

I’ll be looking to pick one up when they become available.

[SouthNarc]

That right there makes it worth it to me. Are these available for purchase now?

I’m not sure Tom. I keep mine in my flight bag so you can fingerbang it this weekend.

[RJ]

Much less than that if you use the code: aziz light

I think it’s 25% off surefire website pricing.

I’ll be looking to pick one up when they become available.

Not helping. :cool:

[BobM]

That right there makes it worth it to me. Are these available for purchase now?

Agreed. Surprised no one has thought of that before.

[RJ]

Agreed. Surprised no one has thought of that before.

Yeah.

I would buy a OC canister if it was in that form factor as well.

On topic, while a cool concept, and undoubtedly well made, I really can’t see myself buying one. I have...a few flashlights already. But if I had a spare $100 or so...

[Totem Polar]

I'm in.

[SoCalDep]

Ugh... first look and thought “another wayward watch/keyfob type light with switches on the side” and then I was dumb enough to actually follow the link and read the description.

Now I may need...

I still really like my Tactician.

[Drang]

Tamara reviewed it, but I can't link the article from work.

[Bucky]

If you pockets are full, looks like you can carry it in a mag pouch. ;)

My current pocket light is only 100 lumens. This looks interesting.

[JCS]

The bezel up carry is a real bummer tho. I’m curious how it looks in pants and how much sticks out of the pocket.

[BillSWPA]

Curious about the width and thickness. The bezel diameter is listed, but that isn’t really useful with this shape light, or encouraging given what appears to be a large difference between the width and thickness. However, an am always looking for ways to improve my seriously overstuffed pockets in warm weather business casual attire.



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[Tamara]

Tamara reviewed it, but I can't link the article from work.

I have not reviewed the Stilletto. I have, however, reviewed the Guardian (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2018/10/versatile-light.html).

[Tamara]

I’m not sure Tom. I keep mine in my flight bag so you can fingerbang it this weekend.

I'm trying to come up with a way to ask if I can fingerbang it, too, but in a manner that won't go straight to "That's what she said!" territory....

[SouthNarc]

Personally I think the form factor is pretty compelling. You can basically hold it like you would your tv remote. Which is pretty awesome for doing actual flashlight shit with. It’s a super cool light and I find myself wanting to use it.

[Tamara]

Personally I think the form factor is pretty compelling. You can basically hold it like you would your tv remote. Which is pretty awesome for doing actual flashlight shit with. It’s a super cool light and I find myself wanting to use it.

That's what I like about the Guardian, too. Like, for any flashlight chore that doesn't involve holding a pistol at the same time, it's way more useful than my EDCL2-T.

[Drang]

I have not reviewed the Stilletto. I have, however, reviewed the Guardian (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2018/10/versatile-light.html).

Didn't realize it was two different lights with similar form factor.
I guess if I'd been able to check the review, I would have said "Tamara reviewed the (somewhat) similar Guardian..."

[CS Tactical]

Just got the EDCL2-Tand threw a Thyrm on for Halloween, now I think I "need" a Stiletto to replace my Sidekick :cool:

[Chuck Whitlock]

This is intriguing.

[RevolverRob]

Personally I think the form factor is pretty compelling. You can basically hold it like you would your tv remote. Which is pretty awesome for doing actual flashlight shit with. It’s a super cool light and I find myself wanting to use it.

Have you taught AMIS with it yet? I'm still running a Quark based on your rec and I've been doing some of the AMIS techniques at home.

[SouthNarc]

Have you taught AMIS with it yet? I'm still running a Quark based on your rec and I've been doing some of the AMIS techniques at home.


I have not yet Rob but I don’t see that being a really big transition. The Stiletto has a butt and a
bezel switch and I’ve got the butt set up for momentary.

[RevolverRob]

I have not yet Rob but I don’t see that being a really big transition. The Stiletto has a butt and a
bezel switch and I’ve got the butt set up for momentary.

I admit, it looks like a very solid setup. I'm definitely interested in more feedback. Perfect size for EDC and dog walking.

[SouthNarc]

I admit, it looks like a very solid setup. I'm definitely interested in more feedback. Perfect size for EDC and dog walking.

Yup!

[feudist]

Yeah.

I would buy a OC canister if it was in that form factor as well.

On topic, while a cool concept, and undoubtedly well made, I really can’t see myself buying one. I have...a few flashlights already. But if I had a spare $100 or so...

OC and a light.

Like...a Phaser.

[Jeff S.]

Wonder how it’ll fare during one handed shooting.

Also, just my opinion, a flashlight that will be used as a unity light should be high CRI. My utility light is an HDS Systems (high CRI), and once you try a light that renders colors accurately, it’s hard to go back.

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That clip is in a weird place. Columbia River had a knife with a clip in the same position that I was 100% sure I was going to purchase as a Christmas present one year until I somehow ended up in a LGS who was also a stocking dealer. Once I slid it in my pocket I changed my mind.
By the way 4 pages and one like. U all suck.

[kobuksonhwacha]

I have one and it’s a slick light. It rides like a folding knife in your pocket and is way more carryable than a traditional cylinder type light.

What do you think of it as far as suitability for AMIS work? What intrigues me most is not the form factor but the fact that it incorporates a similar strobe interface to the Gomez prototype.

[Cory]

Much less than that if you use the code: aziz light

I think it’s 25% off surefire website pricing.



No space, cause then it doesnt work. Valid on everything except suppressors and batteries... or something like that.

-Cory

[JCS]

Looks like these are live now. Anyone picking one up?

[GyroF-16]

Oh, hell yes.

With the “azizlight” code, it was $96 including shipping and tax.

[APS-PF]

I ordered one a few days ago. The guy at surefire said they were out and were getting more in yesterday. I have not received a shipping email yet.

[RevolverRob]

By the way 4 pages and one like. U all suck.

I gave you a pity like.



With the “azizlight” code, it was $96 including shipping and tax.

It's not the price drop that the code provides. It's the reference...I love the Fifth Element and one of my nephew's is named Aziz. And my wife and I always give him a flashlight and yell, "Aziz! Light!". And frankly, when I tell me wife that is the discount code her response will be, "Enjoy your new flashlight."

So Surefire can thank themselves for this sale, which will mark the first time I've bought a Surefire in nearly 15 years. :eek:

[HCM]

I gave you a pity like.



It's not the price drop that the code provides. It's the reference...I love the Fifth Element and one of my nephew's is named Aziz. And my wife and I always give him a flashlight and yell, "Aziz! Light!". And frankly, when I tell me wife that is the discount code her response will be, "Enjoy your new flashlight."

So Surefire can thank themselves for this sale, which will mark the first time I've bought a Surefire in nearly 15 years.


You can thank Sparks2112. That was his member name here before he started a radio show under The obviously assumed name of “John Johnson.” 😊

[GJM]

So far, I like it.

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[Doc_Glock]

After a lot of back and forth, I have settled on a small flashlight with a side button near the head. It is just so much more useful for flashlight stuff than tactical tail switching lights. I have used it for years.

This looks intriguing, just enough so for me to want to try it.

[Gadfly]

For small EDC light chores, I recently picked up a Streamlight Microstream USB light. VERY small in the pocket, two modes (100 or 250 lumen) and built in micro usb charger. The black finished light defaults to 100 lumen and goes to 250 with the double tap. Coyote finish light defaults to 250 and goes to 100 lumen with the double tap. For under $30 bucks you cant beat it. I throw it on the charger about every 3 weeks. Output is full power for about 20-30 min, then slowly begins to taper off for about 2 more hours. And if you lose it, it was under $30.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS789US789&q=Streamlight+Microstream+USB+Pocket+Light+recharg eable+250+lumen&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwim-8nHscreAhUI11kKHQdQC3oQBQguKAA&biw=1522&bih=706&dpr=1.25

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[Gadfly]

Amazon links because:IMTJ

Black: https://amzn.to/2DxeDHb

Coyote: https://amzn.to/2DfdP9e

Ah, sorry... Thanks for the correction!

(Oh, Mods here are shit... but not in this case...:cool:)

[SeriousStudent]

Is the rechargeable battery on the Streamlight 66608 user replaceable? I looked through Streamlight's website, and it said the internal battery was only good for 300 charging cycles.

[HCM]

That clip is in a weird place. Columbia River had a knife with a clip in the same position that I was 100% sure I was going to purchase as a Christmas present one year until I somehow ended up in a LGS who was also a stocking dealer. Once I slid it in my pocket I changed my mind.
By the way 4 pages and one like. U all suck.

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[Doc_Glock]

I also like that the Stilletto won’t roll away when it is set down.

Ordered.

[einherjarvalk]

Is the rechargeable battery on the Streamlight 66608 user replaceable? I looked through Streamlight's website, and it said the internal battery was only good for 300 charging cycles.

You can pop the endcap off the Microstream USB same way it came off on the Microstreams that took AAA batteries. Replacement cell part number is 66607 according to Streamlight's site.

[SeriousStudent]

Excellent, thank you very much. Ordered the coyote one through Tom's affiliate link. I'll pick up a spare battery too.

[Yung]

Mine arrived. We'll see how it goes.32366

[APS-PF]

Mine is supposed to be arriving tomorrow. I hope the "5" lumen mode is brighter than the "5" lumen Sidekick mode.

[GyroF-16]

Ok- I ordered mine last week, and have yet to get an “it’s shipping” notification.
What timeline have you guys been seeing?

I also checked the order status on my Surefire account online... this order says “processing.”
But then, so does the order for the 6PX Pro that I ordered last December, and received that same month.
Not impressed with Surefire’s order tracking system...

[APS-PF]

I ordered mine 11/5 or 11/6. When I called two days ago the guy said it had already shipped and was scheduled for Friday delivery. I have not received a shipping notice.

[GyroF-16]

Thanks, Adam- sounds like I’ll need to call to get an update, then..

[APS-PF]

Mine arrived today. It's smaller than I thought. Complete flood beam I can't discern a hotspot at all like the Tactician and Sidekick have. Beam color is like the Tactician, not yellow like the Sidekick. The 5 lumen mode seems at least twice as bright as the 5 lumen mode on the Sidekick. A good compromise when I don't want to carry the EDCL2/Sidekick combo.

[GJM]

Stiletto and little Streamlight make an awesome combo.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Stiletto and little Streamlight make an awesome combo.

Which little Streamlight are you referrring to George, the MicroStream USB that Gadfly mentioned or the one (not clear on model) on your Glock in your post?

[GJM]

Which little Streamlight are you referrring to George, the MicroStream USB that Gadfly mentioned or the one (not clear on model) on your Glock in your post?

MicroStream

[JCS]

Could someone that owns it post a photo of it in a pocket? I’m wondering how much of it sticks out?

[APS-PF]

Could someone that owns it post a photo of it in a pocket? I’m wondering how much of it sticks out?

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Here it is next to an EDCL1 and EDCL2. It's a thin light but it's wider in the pocket than the tube lights.

[Crusader8207]

I placed an order for one back on the 12th through Surefire. Order says “processing” hopefully it will ship soon.


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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I placed an order for one back on the 12th through Surefire. Order says “processing” hopefully it will ship soon.


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Don’t feel alone brother, ordered 2 Stilleto’s on 10 Nov. & seeing the same *processing* status.

That said if I can’t cancel 1 of them thru SF I’ll post it FS so if anyone here wants it send me a PM.

[GyroF-16]

Don’t feel alone brother, ordered 2 Stilleto’s on 10 Nov. & seeing the same *processing* status.

That said if I can’t cancel 1 of them thru SF I’ll post it FS so if anyone here wants it send me a PM.

I’m right there with you... ordered mine on 9 Nov. Still shows “processing”. But, as I mentioned earlier, so does an order from last December that was delivered the same month. So their order tracking system is fouled up.

But I’m still wondering when my order will arrive. Next time I’m not flying on a weekday, I need to call Surefire and ask for a status.
How many weeks does it take for an item they’re still advertising as “in stock” to be delivered?

I’ve always been a fan of Surefire, but I’m becoming less impressed as the days go by...

[rob_s]

I also like that the Stilletto won’t roll away when it is set down.

Ordered.

Neither will any other light with a pocket clip.

[rob_s]

I’ve had a couple of the non-rechargeable versions of this, and the larger rechargeable version, for quite some time, and still can’t find anything wrong with any of them.

I want to like the stiletto, but this post really strikes home for me.



For small EDC light chores, I recently picked up a Streamlight Microstream USB light. VERY small in the pocket, two modes (100 or 250 lumen) and built in micro usb charger. The black finished light defaults to 100 lumen and goes to 250 with the double tap. Coyote finish light defaults to 250 and goes to 100 lumen with the double tap. For under $30 bucks you cant beat it. I throw it on the charger about every 3 weeks. Output is full power for about 20-30 min, then slowly begins to taper off for about 2 more hours. And if you lose it, it was under $30.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS789US789&q=Streamlight+Microstream+USB+Pocket+Light+recharg eable+250+lumen&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwim-8nHscreAhUI11kKHQdQC3oQBQguKAA&biw=1522&bih=706&dpr=1.25

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[Crusader8207]

I’ve had a couple of the non-rechargeable versions of this, and the larger rechargeable version, for quite some time, and still can’t find anything wrong with any of them.

I want to like the stiletto, but this post really strikes home for me.

I love the microstream, I have been carrying the black one for a while and was not aware of the Coyote one (which actually is a dark brown, almost coppery color) until this thread. I wished they had offered the 10 tap program ability that they offer in other lights, because I wanted the higher output first. Since getting the Coyote one, the black one has been given to my daughter. These lights are handy and very economical. I ordered the Stiletto because I also carry a Tactician every day and would like to have a thinner light to carry.


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[Glenn E. Meyer]

So have we abandoned the idea of the strike bezel and popping folks in the head with the flashlight? It's now just a light? I did bop a 3D dummy in the head with a Surefire cylindrical model at the old NTI when they gave us a revolver with only three rounds. I was chastized as I was supposed to pick up a tennis racket for the bopping. Functional fixedness I guess. My plan was to turn up the light in the dummy's eyes and then bop him.

I have a zillion Surefires of various sizes in the inventory. My wife and kid have them. I don't need another - please!

EDC is a E1D, I smoothed the squarish bezel corners to keep it from eating my pants.

[JCS]

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Here it is next to an EDCL1 and EDCL2. It's a thin light but it's wider in the pocket than the tube lights.

Thank you that is perfect. I currently have the edcl1-t so this give me a great perspective. It’s a great light but there’s a couple cons to it that I think the Stiletto might not have.

[LittleLebowski]

Amazon links because:IMTJ

Black: https://amzn.to/2DxeDHb

Coyote: https://amzn.to/2DfdP9e

Damnit. That’s just about perfect for me.

[APS-PF]

So have we abandoned the idea of the strike bezel and popping folks in the head with the flashlight? It's now just a light?

Well, I mean a non-strike bezel end like on the EDCL1/2 is still significantly harder than someone's skin. So I think it would still be effective in that roll without shredding your pockets?

[BillSWPA]

So have we abandoned the idea of the strike bezel and popping folks in the head with the flashlight? It's now just a light? I did bop a 3D dummy in the head with a Surefire cylindrical model at the old NTI when they gave us a revolver with only three rounds. I was chastized as I was supposed to pick up a tennis racket for the bopping. Functional fixedness I guess. My plan was to turn up the light in the dummy's eyes and then bop him.

I have a zillion Surefires of various sizes in the inventory. My wife and kid have them. I don't need another - please!

EDC is a E1D, I smoothed the squarish bezel corners to keep it from eating my pants.

My preference is a non-crenelated bezel that extends out from the lens. Crenelations might cause some surface lacerations but really don’t contribute to the forcefulness of the blow. They also might prevent your being able to take your flashlight somewhere if it is identified as a weapon.

One reason I bought a Malkoff Bodyguard V2 with a shrouded switch is that it is the perfect combination of a flashlight and impact weapon.



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[Doc_Glock]

Mine arrived. It is a nice general use flashlight. I have a preference for a switch near the head for general use, but I do find the momentary on switch in the tail very intuitive. Much better than Surefire’s tail clicky of the past.

Light beam is bright, even and beautiful with a very nice flood spill.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181124/a6a354e4e95cd3b4f5f4c591e4a456e2.jpg

Weight is nearly as light at the 1AA Zebralight. It blows away both these 200 lumen lights.

The clip is stupidly located to put the light straight up, and sticking out of the pocket. I removed it and just pocket the light and it sits nicely there until needed.

Surefire missed an opportunity by making the light unable to tailstand. It would
have taken just another couple mm on the wings.

I did not bother to change the factory settings of low, mid, high, off for the side and momentary on high for the tail. Seemed just right.

About all I miss is the warm light of the Zebralight. It is hard to go back to bright LED white and I wonder why all light makers aren’t using warm LEDs or at least making them an option.

I think this will be the EDC and nocturnal running companion for the near future.

[SouthNarc]

I think hitting people with small pocket flashlights is sub-optimal compared to dropping my elbow on them. The crenelated bezels can score someone's face pretty well but there's just not enough weight in a pocketable flashlight to make it a viable weapon. Personally speaking I'd stick with a flashlight I could carry in my pocket without tearing up my clothes.

[GyroF-16]

Ok- I ordered mine last week, and have yet to get an “it’s shipping” notification.
What timeline have you guys been seeing?

I also checked the order status on my Surefire account online... this order says “processing.”
But then, so does the order for the 6PX Pro that I ordered last December, and received that same month.
Not impressed with Surefire’s order tracking system...

Okay- finally home on a non-holiday and called Surefire Customer Service.
Apparently Stilettos have been backordered since I placed my order on 9 Nov.
Nevermind that they’ve been showing as available for order every day I’ve checked since then.
Or that my order STILL shows “processing.”
The CS guy reported that one miraculously showed as “available” when I called, so one supposedly shipped today - 17 days after I placed my order, and with no communication from SF in the meantime.
And my order still shows as “processing.”

#Surefire_Customer_Service_is_Shit <—— how do you make that orange?

[TC215]

Okay- finally home on a non-holiday and called Surefire Customer Service.
Apparently Stilettos have been backordered since I placed my order on 9 Nov.
Nevermind that they’ve been showing as available for order every day I’ve checked since then.
Or that my order STILL shows “processing.”
The CS guy reported that one miraculously showed as “available” when I called, so one supposedly shipped today - 17 days after I placed my order, and with no communication from SF in the meantime.
And my order still shows as “processing.”

#Surefire_Customer_Service_is_Shit <—— how do you make that orange?

Great. I ordered mine the same day. Guess I’ll call tomorrow.

[GJM]

My experience with SF Customer Service has been very consistent — as in consistently bad. Starting when they charged me a few years back on a holiday sale, over sold the products, could not deliver, and cancelled my order. Then said too bad when I called. Of course you hold thirty minutes every time I call. Then their software showing availability sucks.

[Willard]

My experience with SF Customer Service has been very consistent — as in consistently bad. Starting when they charged me a few years back on a holiday sale, over sold the products, could not deliver, and cancelled my order. Then said too bad when I called. Of course you hold thirty minutes every time I call. Then their software showing availability sucks.

Went through similar drill.

[Doc_Glock]

Okay- finally home on a non-holiday and called Surefire Customer Service.
Apparently Stilettos have been backordered since I placed my order on 9 Nov.
Nevermind that they’ve been showing as available for order every day I’ve checked since then.
Or that my order STILL shows “processing.”
The CS guy reported that one miraculously showed as “available” when I called, so one supposedly shipped today - 17 days after I placed my order, and with no communication from SF in the meantime.
And my order still shows as “processing.”

#Surefire_Customer_Service_is_Shit <—— how do you make that orange?

Mine mysteriously shipped the same day I sent an email inquiry about my order.

[Sigfan26]

Boss any me got ours today. We both seem to like them. They carry INSANELY well.


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[Crusader8207]

Just spoke with Surefire and they said they have more inventory coming in in 2 weeks. So hopefully mine will ship then.....

[GyroF-16]

Just spoke with Surefire and they said they have more inventory coming in in 2 weeks. So hopefully mine will ship then.....

Then they need to indicate that on their website.

[Crusader8207]

Then they need to indicate that on their website.

Agreed

[TC215]

Just spoke with Surefire and they said they have more inventory coming in in 2 weeks. So hopefully mine will ship then.....

I just got off the phone with them and they said they had 1,000 of them coming in today and they would be shipping out soon. Who knows.

[rob_s]

I put my Microstream response here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19081-Looking-for-a-good-EDC-flashlight&p=817630#post817630)so as not to keep hijacking this thread.

[GJM]

I continue to like my new Stilleto, although there have been a number of instances where the light came on in my pocket accidentally. Others?

[TCFD273]

I just got off the phone with them and they said they had 1,000 of them coming in today and they would be shipping out soon. Who knows.

I ordered a bunch of lights from the Holiday sale, not a stiletto though. They all came in Friday


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[Doc_Glock]

I continue to like my new Stilleto, although there have been a number of instances where the light came on in my pocket accidentally. Others?

I have not, but I don't clip it.

I went back to my small AA light for a couple days. I like the switching on the Zebralight better, and actually like the round form factor and single button better, but missed the incredible amount of the light on the Stiletto. I am still undecided. I like the smaller AA light, but the Stiletto just puts out so much light for its weight. I find the switching between low and high a little annoying with multiple clicks, and I find the large rubber cover where only one area is the switch confusing for the thumb at times. I almost never use the tail switch, but have to flash my position to cars a couple times running in the dark, it works great for that.

[TC215]

Got my shipping notification today, a month after I ordered it. Hopefully everyone will have theirs soon.

[Doc_Glock]

I continue to like my new Stilleto, although there have been a number of instances where the light came on in my pocket accidentally. Others?

And...found it on in my pocket this morning, presumably from dropping my pants last night and clunking on other stuff in the same pocket.

[GJM]

It turned on twice in my pocket so far already this morning. But on the bright side, it works pretty decent as a hand warmer on a cold day.

[JCS]

That’s extremely disappointing and makes this light a no go for me now. I had a similar problem with an olight with a side switch that would come on in my pocket. For me, a flashlight is a tool that when I need it I really need it. It really sucks to pull out a light and it’s dead!

[RevolverRob]

It turned on twice in my pocket so far already this morning. But on the bright side, it works pretty decent as a hand warmer on a cold day.

Stop wearing skinny jeans that are so tight it rubs against the switch? :eek:

Can you remove the rubber cover over the buttons without damaging the light? Might be worth removing it to see if it's that the rubber is "too big" and causing accidental activation?

[Totem Polar]

But on the bright side...

:D
:D :D

[Doc_Glock]

I am done with this thing in the pocket.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181209/31f17c6328945eda2b14dd45393a94db.jpg

I recommend not switching the order to High-Med-Low because then when it turns on in pocket it doesn’t burn holes.

[GJM]

I am about done with the Stiletto. Besides coming on in a pocket, I worry about it starting a fire if bumped in a pack or luggage.

[APS-PF]

Just using mine in the headlamp or utility light role, no longer pocket carrying. Didn't like having the find the button to turn it on. Back to a tailcap switch tube light. But dang, that's a hot pocket.

[Doc_Glock]

I am about done with the Stiletto. Besides coming on in a pocket, I worry about it starting a fire if bumped in a pack or luggage.

Yeah. I showed it to wife and she said “return it, what if it comes on in a drawer when you throw something else in it?”

[OnionsAndDragons]

Yeah. I showed it to wife and she said “return it, what if it comes on in a drawer when you throw something else in it?”

Sharp wife!


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[runcible]

Collective thoughts as to the necessity and\or utility of a kydex pouch molded for one?

[Totem Polar]

I am done with this thing in the pocket.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181209/31f17c6328945eda2b14dd45393a94db.jpg

I recommend not switching the order to High-Med-Low because then when it turns on in pocket it doesn’t burn holes.

Pretty intense. Looks like my arm/sweatshirt after getting stiched by some sim rounds at contact distance.

[Crusader8207]

After finally receiving my Stiletto, I am less than impressed with the design. First, the shape is kinda weird. The tapered body makes it difficult to activate the tailswitch. It feels like I am going to squeeze it out of my hand if I were to grip it too hard. I don't mind the three different modes of activation for the side switch, but I prefer the simplicity of the Streamlight Microstream USB and then having the Tactician as my full power light. I have not had it accidentally activated in my pocket yet but seeing what is happening to others, I'm out.

[SeriousStudent]

I ordered one a month ago, have not received it yet, and I'm already disappointed.

Sigh.

[GJM]

The best thing to come out of this thread for me, is learning about the Streamlight Microsteam. That is an awesome light.

[BillSWPA]

I am done with this thing in the pocket.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181209/31f17c6328945eda2b14dd45393a94db.jpg

I recommend not switching the order to High-Med-Low because then when it turns on in pocket it doesn’t burn holes.

Thank you for ensuring that I am not tempted to spend my $ on this light.



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[Hambo]

The best thing to come out of this thread for me, is learning about the Streamlight Microsteam. That is an awesome light.

Right. Three Microstreams or one Stiletto that burns holes in my pockets. Let me think...ordering coyote brown because I want to be like Tom_Jones. :cool:

[GJM]

Just went to use my oakley lens cloth!

33137

[Chuck Whitlock]

Well, PF has saved me some cash. This one was on my wish list.

[Hambo]

Just went to use my oakley lens cloth!

Better get yourself one of these if you're going to keep carrying it https://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-AF400-2-Extinguishing-Aerosol/dp/B002U0KGDY/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1544469919&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=mini+fire+extinguisher&psc=1

Or start wearing Nomex flight suits all the time.

[JCS]

Wow. That’s outright dangerous. Those things should be recalled immediately IMO. That’s quite disappointing. How does that not come about in testing?!

[RJ]

Well, PF has saved me some cash. This one was on my wish list.

You and me both.

If I could sneak another flashlight past The Boss I would get one of those USB rechargeable Steamlight thingies

[Chuck Whitlock]

You and me both.

If I could sneak another flashlight past The Boss I would get one of those USB rechargeable Steamlight thingies

I'm eyeballing them, too, Rich. Heck, get one for her as well. At that price, they're practically stocking stuffers.

[RJ]

I'm eyeballing them, too, Rich. Heck, get one for her as well. At that price, they're practically stocking stuffers.

I'll let you know how that goes. :cool:

[pangloss]

I have a Surefire Titan Plus that went dead on me one day. It wasn't the battery because I'd put a freshly charged battery in it not too long before it broke. I dropped it in my pocket and went on about my day, but a little while later I felt a burning sensation on my leg. I pulled the flashlight out and the lamp was extremely hot. Surefire repaired/replaced the lamp, and it works fine now. I'm a little leary of it though, and these Stiletto problems don't inspire confidence. Hopefully the $20 Sidekicks I ordered don't cause problems for the people who will receive them as Christmas gifts.

[GJM]

I see one of two things happening — a recall by Surefire or a hasty order for a bunch of JM kydex pocket holsters to accompany each light.

[BillSWPA]

Wow. That’s outright dangerous. Those things should be recalled immediately IMO. That’s quite disappointing. How does that not come about in testing?!

My experience years ago with the EB1T I briefly owned led me to question what kind of testing is done. Years ago, Surefire was running ads showing “the boys from R &D” as a dynamic entry team. The fact that they originally used the same firmware as for the EB1C, ensuring that a second momentary activation within 2 seconds of using the light would bring up low mode regardless of the level of pressure, showed me that these were no longer the boys from R & D. This is likely why we see the issues with the Stiletto.



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[Drang]

Well, in what may be a first, PF has saved me some cash. This one was on my wish list.

:rolleyes:

[Doc_Glock]

The more I think about it the more I think it should be recalled and redesigned. I love the dual switch idea since I use flashlights 10x more underhand than overhand.

Imagine if something like this ignites a bag on a commercial airliner!

RMA issued and its going back.

A little sad because it was amazing on a dark run today.

[JCS]

I actually had a similar experience with a new e1b-mv. One day I was at work and I felt my leg getting hot. I thought I had someone spilled hot coffee on myself. It kept getting hotter and hotter and finally I stood up and realized it was something in my pocket. I took out the light and it was too hot to hold. It got so hot it caused the glass to bubble. Surefire replaced it but I sold the new one and moved on to a different light.

The cap had some wiggle in it and it would cause the light to come on without depressing the switch. I’ve found it to be a problem with both surefire lights I’ve owned.
https://youtu.be/Y9mxOQpj6ug

Edit I have no idea why the knife picture is showing up. Can a mod remove it?

[Doc_Glock]

I just ran the light on high for half an hour. I can touch the metal tip to my skin. Warm, but not burning.

If it is on high, and you point the beam at your palm it will absolutely burn your skin in a small central spot.

So heat management is okay unless something is actually laying directly across the lens.

I put it in high laying directly on some thin paper for a minute. No burn marks or anything. Maybe it just hates polyester.

[Sigfan26]

I just ran the light on high for half an hour. I can touch the metal tip to my skin. Warm, but not burning.

If it is on high, and you point the beam at your palm it will absolutely burn your skin in a small central spot.

So heat management is okay unless something is actually laying directly across the lens.

I put it in high laying directly on some thin paper for a minute. No burn marks or anything. Maybe it just hates polyester.

I’ve had mine banging in a pocket against a J Frame and I can’t even get it to turn on spontaneously like some. Maybe I should try some Barry White.


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[eb07]

This forum costs me so much money. ;)

Just ordered one with the ballistic radio discount ( thanks!)

Merry Christmas eb07

[Totem Polar]

Hopefully the $20 Sidekicks I ordered don't cause problems for the people who will receive them as Christmas gifts.

They’re solid. I have to work, and dig deep with tne tip of my thumb to switch it on. Plus, the first setting is 5 lumens. You have to hit the button pretty hard three times to get to the setting that would burn a cat from across the room...


I see one of two things happening — a recall by Surefire or a hasty order for a bunch of JM kydex pocket holsters to accompany each light.


https://cdnimg.webstaurantstore.com/images/products/large/51444/753795.jpg

[pangloss]

They’re solid. I have to work, and dig deep with tne tip of my thumb to switch it on. Plus, the first setting is 5 lumens. You have to hit the button pretty hard three times to get to the setting that would burn a cat from across the room...

That's good to know. It's not that I don't trust you, but maybe I should keep one for myself, you know, just to be absolutely certain. ;)

[BillSWPA]

I’ve had mine banging in a pocket against a J Frame and I can’t even get it to turn on spontaneously like some. Maybe I should try some Barry White.


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If it is in the same pocket as the J frame or any other gun, I would encourage switching to a different pocket so that nothing can work it’s way into the trigger area. While a good pocket holster should prevent this while it is being carried, reholstering could present a risk.




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[Sigfan26]

If it is in the same pocket as the J frame or any other gun, I would encourage switching to a different pocket so that nothing can work it’s way into the trigger area. While a good pocket holster should prevent this while it is being carried, reholstering could present a risk.



Thanks for the suggestion, but I prefer it my way. I’m not sure which “other pocket” is available when I keep everything except a J Frame and a clipped to pocket light in my left pocket. There is literally nothing to work into the trigger guard. Nothing. I remove the pocket holster to reholster. I’m not sure what, if any, actual benefit you comment has. But... thanks for it anyway!


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[Darth_Uno]

Well it looks like it’ll fit perfectly in the flashlight pocket of my Carhartt pants so I ordered one. If I don’t like it at least I’ll still have it. I’ve spent more and had less to show for it.

Of all my EDC gear, I use a flashlight the most, knife second, and gun never.

[McD]

Wow! I can hardly wait for mine to get here. Maybe next time I wait for the early reviews...

[Totem Polar]

You can reserve the order from Low-Medium-High to High-Medium-Low on the Sidekick. I don't recall how to do it (I did mine a couple of years ago), but it is possible.

True, but then you run the risk of frying the pocket of your knock-off southnarc™️ Brioni pants.

[eb07]

This forum costs me so much money. ;)

Just ordered one with the ballistic radio discount ( thanks!)

Merry Christmas eb07

And just got a shipping notice. :)

[TC215]

I’ve carried mine on and off-duty for a week now. I like the light, and have had no instances of it getting activated in my pocket. Even after I fell down a snow-covered hill during a foot pursuit (which I did for the benefit of testing the light for fellow P-F members), it stayed off.

[Sigfan26]

I’ve carried mine on and off-duty for a week now. I like the light, and have had no instances of it getting activated in my pocket. Even after I fell down a snow-covered hill during a foot pursuit (which I did for the benefit of testing the light for fellow P-F members), it stayed off.

I haven’t done that... But I’ve stood up, sat down, and dropped trou with it in my pocket a lot without NLD (negative light discharge)


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[eb07]

Received it.

https://i.postimg.cc/bvqpTVMG/IMG-9454.jpg


I am on day 2 of wearing it clipped to my left front pocket. The first day I had it unclipped in my left front pocket and it did turn on when I was reaching in to grab my wallet to use the card reader, but my protac 1L-aa did the same thing every once in a while. And yeah they both get hot as ..... :mad:;)

I will report back if it turns on while clipped but so far so good.

Pros:
-Lightweight and slim
-Bright and the modes are perfect. Low first on side switch. High first on tail cap.
-Fits in pocket better than a round light

Cons:
- Should have a reversible clip to carry tail cap up if you desired
- Have to send it back to surefire to replace batteries to keep warranty in tact. Not sure I like that. Pretty much you are leasing it for a couple years until you have to pay to have it serviced.


Thanks for the heads up on the discount code!

[Darth_Uno]

Carried mine for a couple days. Clipped, loose in pocket, and loose in coat pocket. Hasn’t turned on yet when I didn’t want it to.

The slim design carries very well.

I fully expect to lose this sooner or later, so if the battery lasts a couple years that’s fine with me. I’ve never given or thrown away a flashlight, I just can’t find it anymore. :shrug


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[krax]

So far so good.

I've been carrying mine in the left front pocket along the inguinal crease, same as my folder in the right pocket. No issues with light AD. It may be that the side button presses into soft tissue there vs. pressing into the side of the pelvis or femur.

The 1-way clip means using a different draw than with the bezel down (dig the thumb in deeper before drawing it out of the pocket), but the flashlight is something you can stage in your hand.

Am I the only one who wishes there was a good way to have a Raven o-ring on theirs?

[Duke]

Received it.

https://i.postimg.cc/bvqpTVMG/IMG-9454.jpg


I am on day 2 of wearing it clipped to my left front pocket. The first day I had it unclipped in my left front pocket and it did turn on when I was reaching in to grab my wallet to use the card reader, but my protac 1L-aa did the same thing every once in a while. And yeah they both get hot as ..... :mad:;)

I will report back if it turns on while clipped but so far so good.

Pros:
-Lightweight and slim
-Bright and the modes are perfect. Low first on side switch. High first on tail cap.
-Fits in pocket better than a round light

Cons:
- Should have a reversible clip to carry tail cap up if you desired
- Have to send it back to surefire to replace batteries to keep warranty in tact. Not sure I like that. Pretty much you are leasing it for a couple years until you have to pay to have it serviced.


Thanks for the heads up on the discount code!

Can the clip be used to wedge a rubber finger O ring under ?


Need some way to use the light hand without having to totally drop the light.

[eb07]

Can the clip be used to wedge a rubber finger O ring under ?


Need some way to use the light hand without having to totally drop the light.

Not sure an oring would work because the gap is large at the top but running a loop of string as my protac has above through the hole in top of the clip would work great

[BobM]

I've had mine about a week or so. I've carried it for a few patrol shifts as well as off duty in jeans. So far no issues with it coming on unintentionally. I've long wanted a backup to the Stinger on my duty belt but until now haven't found the right combo of bulk and output.

[underhook]

Am I the only person running around with a Stiletto pretending to be Jame T Kirk with a Type I phaser?

[runcible]

Well, it’s not bad for tucking into an AIWB slot with a knife in the other; it’s larger and heavier than a micro streamlight, but it’s also quite a bit brighter. Works well with booty shorts for PT or flattering pants for date night.

I wish there was a software option to disable the side buttons.

[SoCalDep]

I’ve had mine for a couple weeks now. I was certainly concerned after hearing about them turning on in pockets, but carrying mine daily has resulted in no accidental activations. I’m really liking it for several reasons.

For a bed-side light it offers zero chance of roll, immediate access to low mode for that late night bathroom trip, early morning coffee pot activation, or checking on the kids, but a just as quick and very “tactical” momentary high mode that overrides what’re was done before.

As an EDC light, it does the same with light weight and a flat (albeit fairly wide) profile. I thought I’d carry it as a “trial” for a week or so and go back to my Tactician. At this point, it’s staying. The hard part is that it’s such a good fit as a bedside light I might just have to get another...

[GyroF-16]

I like many of the same things that SoCalDep describes.
Flat profile ensures no rolling on bedside table. Low setting is great for navigating a dark room without being blinding. Easy to carry in a pocket - it will probably become my go-to for taking to movie theaters.

Other observations:
The light it throws is a broad, very uniform pattern. Good for lighting up a wide area, but not at all good for projecting light beyond about 7-10 yards, or for putting a LOT of light in a particular spot (my SF EDCL2-T is very good for that).
So it’s not as useful for scanning the land behind my house for coyotes when taking the dog out at night.

On brightness: the 250 lumens is quite bright and useful at close range. The strange this is, the 650 lumen setting doesn’t seem that much brighter, and nothing like twice as bright. I guess it’s because the light is more evenly distributed across a large area, but I’m a bit disappointed in the brightness and throw of the 650 level - nothing like a Fury with comparable lumen output.

I thought this would be an ideal light for my airplane preflight duties, and for parts that are up close, it’s great. But it just doesn’t have the intensity and throw to put enough light on a big Boeing tail at 40-50’ slant range. So now if I bring it on my travels, it’s an “additional” flashlight, not a “does it all” flashlight.

I also like the rechargability - it beats needing to have 123 batteries on hand all the time.

Bottom line- as an EDC or backup light, it’s nice. But less useful for tasks where you need a lot of light projected at any distance.

[underhook]

The light it throws is a broad, very uniform pattern. Good for lighting up a wide area, but not at all good for projecting light beyond about 7-10 yards, or for putting a LOT of light in a particular spot (my SF EDCL2-T is very good for that).
So it’s not as useful for scanning the land behind my house for coyotes when taking the dog out at night..

I'm experiencing the same issue. I live in a rural area and need the same ability to see predators beyond 50 yards. I've done side by sides with my Stiletto, Tactician, and EDCL2-T and have had the same result that you report.

I read Surfire's white paper here on choosing lights: https://www.surefire.com/how_to_choose_weaponlights

Maxvision as installed on the Stiletto and my Tactician is a wide spotless beam with limited reach as the trade. TIR is as installed on our EDCL2-T and 1-Ts has both reach and surround light.

I can see multiple times using my day where the TIR wins hands down. My question is when is Maxvision more useful than TIR? I have the context of Shivwork's AMIS and don't see any disadvantage to the TIR when moving in a structure.

I cannot find a discussion on that and it might be worth it's own thread.

Interesting, Surefire does provide a light with both called the Guardian.

[NoLock]

Got one yesterday. I plugged it in to charge and the light turned on and gave off a super low, maybe one lumen, beam. It's been doing this non-stop since yesterday. The light seems to function normally but anytime I don't turn it on there is a super low beam coming from the led.

I sent an email off to surefire CS. Anyone else experience this? I can't find anything in the manual or googling.

[underhook]

When mine's off it's off. No super low light emitted.

I am having the turn on in your pocket problem. That's quite annoying.

[Doc_Glock]

Got one yesterday. I plugged it in to charge and the light turned on and gave off a super low, maybe one lumen, beam. It's been doing this non-stop since yesterday. The light seems to function normally but anytime I don't turn it on there is a super low beam coming from the led.

I sent an email off to surefire CS. Anyone else experience this? I can't find anything in the manual or googling.

I have heard of surefire lights doing this when fully charged, while plugged in to let you know they are charged.

[SeriousStudent]

I have been carrying my for a month now with no issues. I am pleased.

[BobM]

I have been carrying my for a month now with no issues. I am pleased.

Same here

[runcible]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PSPrimarySecondary/permalink/2155042734542215/?comment_id=2155062877873534&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%2314%22%7D

For those not on FB\P&S, at least the original Stiletto model apparently fits just fine in orionz06 's Koala pouch, and in a manner that prevents the side-buttons from being accidentally actuated. While I'd still love to see a high-ride\bezel-down kydex pouch, this is pretty cool to me. I guess I'll have to order another Koala up for date-nights...

For those whom have had negative experiences with pocket or bag carry, this might be a low-cost way to keep the Stiletto in use. Not to mention, it's DSG gear and adjustable to fit a broad range of double-stack magazines, so it can always be recycled to another usage if the Stiletto still gets passed on.

https://darkstargear.com/product/koala/

Heck, you might even be able to squirrel away the charging cable at the bottom of the pouch, depending on where you have the travel stop installed, if you don't normally hit the road with the appropriate cable.

[ST911]

My Stiletto thoughts: GTG. Bright, broad, useful beam. Not a beam for focused spot at distance but very utilitarian. UI and body/tail switching is fine. Doesn't look like a fighting flashlight, non-combative appearance. Very flat in the pocket, light, easy carry. Polymer can be engraved to deter sticky fingers. Clip stays on a ball cap or gear. Recessed rear switch less compatible with some flashlight techniques, but others okay.

Want: lock-out switch, case color options, lanyard/biner attachment molded at the rear to lash light to gear, option to program body switch to be L/M/H level only.

[Totem Polar]

option to program body switch to be L/M/H level only.

I hear that V2 will be "lockout," 5 lumens, 250 lumens, 650 lumens, and "paypal Loretta Sanchez."


Too soon?

[TC215]

Been carrying mine for a few months now, on and off duty. Still no accidental activation in my pocket.

However, it gets pretty hot very fast. I used mine to clear a house last week, and it got uncomfortable quickly.

[Larry Sellers]

traveling to italy in may, solid choice to carry as to avoid the "tactical" look of others?

[ST911]

A large batch of these has been distributed around me, and running around turning them off is becoming a bit of a hobby.

Any new hacks, internal mod or in programming, to disable the primary switch?

[krax]

traveling to italy in may, solid choice to carry as to avoid the "tactical" look of others?

Way late response, and I hope your Italy trip went well, but I figured I'd address it since the conversation is still going. To answer your question, yes and no.

When carried in a carry-on bag, I've had no issues with it at airports. When sent through the X-ray in a tray with other pocket litter, I've been questioned by TSA about it because of it's appearance being somewhat similar to a folding knife.

I've also been stopped and questioned about it when entering a "weapon-free" concert venue because the pants I was wearing were chino type and the security person keyed up on the pocket clip. Had I been wearing jeans and carrying the light in the hip crease, it would have gone unnoticed. So, it was a "tell" that got me extra attention.

I've never had a flashlight confiscated during domestic or international travel, but be aware of the Stiletto's similarity in appearance to a folder.

I'd also say that if one was taking a flashlight into a controlled area, there are better options for lights that can be used as defensive tools.

[TC215]

Stiletto Pro has been released:

https://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/stiletto-pro.html

[GyroF-16]

Stiletto Pro has been released:

https://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/stiletto-pro.html

Looks cool.

Two initial thoughts:
1. “Wow - costs twice as much ($230 vs $110) as the old Stiletto to go from 650-1000 lumens.”
2. Remembering the discernible, but not dramatic difference between the original Stiletto’s medium (250 lm) and high (supposedly 650 lm), wondering how much brighter the new 1000 lm will actually seem.

Not sure I have a case of the “wants” for this. But I’d be interested to compare them side-by-side and see if there was a significant difference. It would take a lot to justify twice the price, though.

[Bobert1035]

I *love* my sidekick, its on me daily even when I have a bigger light.

I'm hoping the Stiletto Pro leads to a great non-Pro black friday deal!

[TC215]

Looks cool.

Two initial thoughts:
1. “Wow - costs twice as much ($230 vs $110) as the old Stiletto to go from 650-1000 lumens.”
2. Remembering the discernible, but not dramatic difference between the original Stiletto’s medium (250 lm) and high (supposedly 650 lm), wondering how much brighter the new 1000 lm will actually seem.

Not sure I have a case of the “wants” for this. But I’d be interested to compare them side-by-side and see if there was a significant difference. It would take a lot to justify twice the price, though.

I want it mainly because you can reverse the clip now and carry it bezel down— but I don’t want it enough to pay $230. I’ll wait for Black Friday or a coupon code.

[Doc_Glock]

Stiletto Pro has been released:

https://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/stiletto-pro.html

Burned once, twice shy;)

[ST911]

Looks like the body buttons on the Pro are recessed, or at least less prominent than the standard. That should help with the accidental activation, will see if it's enough.

No mention of a lockout feature in the lit so far.

[BigT]

Got one yesterday. I plugged it in to charge and the light turned on and gave off a super low, maybe one lumen, beam. It's been doing this non-stop since yesterday. The light seems to function normally but anytime I don't turn it on there is a super low beam coming from the led.

I sent an email off to surefire CS. Anyone else experience this? I can't find anything in the manual or googling.
Did Surefire ever get back to you on this. Mine is doing the same thing.

[krax]

I like the current one enough to get the Pro. The reversible clip should not only lead to fewer accidental activations, but also mitigate the ones that slip through.

[NoLock]

Did Surefire ever get back to you on this. Mine is doing the same thing.

I sent it back. I think they sent me a new one. Light works fine now.

[Mirolynmonbro]

The low should be lower. Weird it went from 5 to 25 for the low

[dontshakepandas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6aYUjs0XeU

Well, after watching this I decided to go ahead and order one.

I'm pretty happy with my EDCL1-T, but would really like something slimmer in my pocket and have been wanting a rechargeable option anyways. I've thought about getting the standard model a few times, but Ihave waited for the pro mostly for the reversible clip.

It can be hard to tell from videos, but I like the way the beam looks. I would have probably preferred a 5 lumen low mode with longer battery life also, but since its rechargeable I'm willing to see how it works out.

[David S.]

[video=youtube;Y6aYUjs0XeU]I would have probably preferred a 5 lumen low mode . . .

Do we have any clue how bright the flashlight mode on typical smart phones are? I'd make a completely uneducated guess it's something like 5-10 lumens. ASSuming that's true, having a brighter option task light appeals to me personally.

YMMV.

[dontshakepandas]

Do we have any clue how bright the flashlight mode on typical smart phones are? I'd make a completely uneducated guess it's something like 5-10 lumens. ASSuming that's true, having a brighter option task light appeals to me personally.

YMMV.

That’s a valid point. In the past I’ve tried not to use my phone for that purpose just to preserve the battery, but that’s not as much of an issue with the new phone since I can get through multiple days on a charge.

The low level honestly isn’t that important to me overall though. As long as it doesn’t burn a hole in my pocket from coming on unintentionally then I think it will be a winner.


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[Bobert1035]

Do we have any clue how bright the flashlight mode on typical smart phones are? I'd make a completely uneducated guess it's something like 5-10 lumens. ASSuming that's true, having a brighter option task light appeals to me personally.

YMMV.

I went to the google machine, apparently up to 50 lumens.

(take this with a grain of salt of course)
https://www.quora.com/How-bright-is-the-LED-flashlight-on-the-iPhone

[Cool Breeze]

My phone light is definitely above the lowest mode on my Fenix, which is 10 lumens. I would guess approx 50.

[Tensaw]

Heh, remember when 65 lumens was the ultimate in “tactical” output? Wasn’t that long ago... :cool:

[ST911]

Heh, remember when 65 lumens was the ultimate in “tactical” output? Wasn’t that long ago... :cool:

And when upgraded from the P60 (https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-P60-Lamp-Reflector-Assembly/dp/B0000VM3BI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?crid=3K1CVHC9MWD8U&keywords=surefire+p61+replacement+bulb&qid=1574776257&sprefix=surefire+p61,aps,147&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=ratio07-20&linkId=65d3c5674aecb2a8773584dc7d4ef35a&language=en_US) to the P61 lamp, it was really something special.

From an ad: "SureFire Ultra High Output P61 Lamp Assembly gives you a scorching 120 lumens of white light with a 20 minute runtime."

[GyroF-16]

And when upgraded from the P60 (https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-P60-Lamp-Reflector-Assembly/dp/B0000VM3BI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?crid=3K1CVHC9MWD8U&keywords=surefire+p61+replacement+bulb&qid=1574776257&sprefix=surefire+p61,aps,147&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=ratio07-20&linkId=65d3c5674aecb2a8773584dc7d4ef35a&language=en_US) to the P61 lamp, it was really something special.

From an ad: "SureFire Ultra High Output P61 Lamp Assembly gives you a scorching 120 lumens of white light with a 20 minute runtime."

Ah, yes... I remember that well. There’s still a G2 with a P61 lamp in my closet pistol safe. Seemed so incredibly bright at the time.

[Tensaw]

Yes to the P61!

Hey, does this mean my cell phone is - dare I say it? - tactical?

[Clusterfrack]

Hey, does this mean my cell phone is - dare I say it? - tactical?

I don't know, but at a recent martial arts camp, we did a session on using cell phones as weapons (plywood trainer phones).

[David S.]

Looks like the body buttons on the Pro are recessed, or at least less prominent than the standard. That should help with the accidental activation, will see if it's enough.

How widespread is the "accidental activation" problem. This is the first I've heard of it (but I don't keep up on the flashlight scene).

[GJM]

How widespread is the "accidental activation" problem. This is the first I've heard of it (but I don't keep up on the flashlight scene).

It melted the Oakley lens cloth in my pocket. Think Doc Glock had a similar thing happen.

[David S.]

Google led me a thread on M4C that leads me to believe it's common.

I guess I'll wait and see how the Pro does with heat and light ADs. I really like the concept.

[ST911]

How widespread is the "accidental activation" problem. This is the first I've heard of it (but I don't keep up on the flashlight scene).


Google led me a thread on M4C that leads me to believe it's common. I guess I'll wait and see how the Pro does with heat and light ADs. I really like the concept.

I suspect there are some that don't experience it, but the design makes it more common than it should be. When belt-clipped into most pockets, the clip faces out and the buttons in, in an almost perfect alignment with the pocket seam. When the pants move the seam tightens and activates the light. When I throw mine loose into a bag, I sometimes find it on so I leave the bezel button programmed to L-M-H.

On the new version, a little shielding around the button will help. So will reversing the pocket clip and getting the buttons to a looser part of the pocket.

[krax]

The accidental activation thing is real. I've melted a synthetic-ish shirt with mine. Sitting on a motorcycle in cold weather. Didn't feel it because everything was cold. Didn't see it because I was wearing a jacket over the shirt.

I still carry the Stiletto pretty much every day. On most days the consequences of a rare accidental activation do not outweigh the utility and form factor of the light. In instances where they might, I carry a different light.

Looking forward to getting hands on the improved version.

[TC215]

FWIW, I’ve carried mine for a year now, every day, on duty and off, and have never had an accidental activation.

[GyroF-16]

FWIW, I’ve carried mine for a year now, every day, on duty and off, and have never had an accidental activation.

I’ve had mine for about a year now, and may have accidentally activated it one, maybe two times. But because it is in the low – medium - high selection mode, it always comes on in the low, so no heat issue.
I prefer this sequence for EDC, as I can always get to the high mode with the button on the back using my thumb in a Hammer-fist type grasp.

[GJM]

I’ve had mine for about a year now, and may have accidentally activated it one, maybe two times. But because it is in the low – medium - high selection mode, it always comes on in the low, so no heat issue.
I prefer this sequence for EDC, as I can always get to the high mode with the button on the back using my thumb in a Hammer-fist type grasp.

That change is something I should do. As it is now, I will not put it in luggage, as a fire on the ground or in the air is not high on my list.

[SeriousStudent]

So, I got an idea......

David S. and I were gnawing on some vittles after a range trip today, and I had what I modestly consider a brilliant idea.

I have a buddy whose son is studying to be a CAD/CAM guy, and has a 3D printer in his house. He's made all sorts of complex sculptures and cool doodads.

I am going to ask him if he would mind making a little U-shaped hunk of black plastic that I could glue on, to act as the raised guard for my original Stiletto.

If he makes me one and regardless if it works or not, I'll post pics here.

[dontshakepandas]

My Stiletto Pro showed up at my door today and my initial impression is that I like it a lot.

It is about the same height as my EDCL1-T, but much thinner and the pocket clip allows it to sit lower in my pocket (bezel down). I like the controls a lot. The momentary switch on the "end cap" is great and not too easy to activate, and the mode switch button on the side is great for EDC usage.

I'll go out and play with it in the dark later to make a decision on the actual light output, but so far it seems great in dark rooms. It seems comparable to the EDCL1-T indoors in hot spot brightness, but it has solid wall of hot spot instead of a smaller circle. I'm interested to see how it does with throw as well, but that isn't super important to me for a light for this purpose.

The low mode is a little brighter than I'm used to, but I'll say its probably more useful for actually using the light for what I'd use it for even at the expense of battery.

The non-replaceable battery is my biggest gripe so far, but I'm sure they'll come out with a brighter version in the next year or two that I'll buy just because I want it before that ever really becomes a concern.

[Jeff S.]

My Stiletto Pro showed up at my door today and my initial impression is that I like it a lot.

It is about the same height as my EDCL1-T, but much thinner and the pocket clip allows it to sit lower in my pocket (bezel down). I like the controls a lot. The momentary switch on the "end cap" is great and not too easy to activate, and the mode switch button on the side is great for EDC usage.

I'll go out and play with it in the dark later to make a decision on the actual light output, but so far it seems great in dark rooms. It seems comparable to the EDCL1-T indoors in hot spot brightness, but it has solid wall of hot spot instead of a smaller circle. I'm interested to see how it does with throw as well, but that isn't super important to me for a light for this purpose.

The low mode is a little brighter than I'm used to, but I'll say its probably more useful for actually using the light for what I'd use it for even at the expense of battery.

The non-replaceable battery is my biggest gripe so far, but I'm sure they'll come out with a brighter version in the next year or two that I'll buy just because I want it before that ever really becomes a concern.



Thanks for the review! I’m curious to hear more, and to hear how you like it once you get it outside in the dark. I have an EDCL1-T, and have been toying around with either getting an EDCL2-T or a Stiletto Pro.

[dontshakepandas]

Thanks for the review! I’m curious to hear more, and to hear how you like it once you get it outside in the dark. I have an EDCL1-T, and have been toying around with either getting an EDCL2-T or a Stiletto Pro.

After playing around in the back yard a little I’m pretty happy with it. The throw on the EDCL1-T is definitely better, but not by enough to be a deal breaker. The Stiletto beam is about the same width as the EDCL1-T but the whole thing is the hot spot where the EDCL1-T has a brighter hot spot but dimmer “spill”.

As long as it doesn’t come on in my pockets it will definitely be the go to light. I really wish someone would make an OC spray with a similar shape/footprint.

Side note: If you decide you want an EDCL2-T shoot me a PM. I’ve got one in my night stand drawer that I could part with for a very fair price.




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[TCinVA]

I've had a Stiletto for just over 9 months now. I've never had any issues with accidental activation.

Things I like:

- I like that it is rechargeable with a USB. I plug it in once a week in the office and it stays charged up.
- I like that I can easily clip it on to the brim of a hat to create a makeshift headlamp.
- I like having multiple levels of output. It was nice to have it getting to my blind for deer season.

Things I hate:

- It's hideously awful to use in conjunction with a handgun with my preferred light technique. (Rogers technique) Even with my big hands it's unsat. Harres is better but the rear button is still a pain to use even with that technique.
- The rear button is awkward to use however I approach it. The wings designed to prevent accidental activation really just make it a pain in the ass to use it when needed. The button is small and hard to hit requiring me to dedicate a finger tip to pressing it and it requires a lot of force to reliably keep it on...which, again, sucks when used in conjunction with a handgun.
- When using the rear button I often don't get the light I want. I'll get the strobe when I don't want it because I have to reposition my hand to get adequate purchase on the button to keep the light on, or I'm attempting to get the strobe and I don't.
- The throw of the light is pretty terrible outdoors past 20-25 yards.

As a general purpose light someone carries for benign indoor use or in case they need to work on a car engine, 4 wheeler, or computer in the dark it's OK.

As a light for use in defensive applications I think it sucks out loud.

I have no problem with a light that has multiple functions but the problem is that every light that does a bunch of different things ends up with controls that are sufficiently complex that they are useless in anything but a relaxed situation.

What I'd really like to have is a light that is similar to the profile of the E2E where you could turn either the bezel or the end cap through a positive detented "click" setting that will give you a reliable setting. Low output, strobe, etc. This business of hitting this button part way and then pressing harder if you want a different function or hitting this button X number of times just so to get Y feature to come on isn't practical for people to use when important shit is actually happening.

[GJM]

I have had a love hate relationship with my Stiletto. Love the shape and concept, hate how it turns on in my pocket and falls out of my pocket.

Kenzie’s had the Pro for not much more than the regular model, so I grabbed one. First impressions are great — clip holds much better, the side button is recessed and it is covered in a grippy material.

[spyderco monkey]

The SF Stiletto has a 0.8" bezel and is 4.45" long.

If you're willing to go ever so slightly wider - 0.9" x 4.5" - I'd highly recommend the Eagletac D25LC2 as a EDC 'Slim Tactical/Utility Light.'

http://www.eagtac.com/html/d25lc2rcmkii/index.html

https://i.ibb.co/hy3frD7/Eagletac-D25-LC2-info.png

I've been carrying mine every day, IWB at the 8 oclock, and its much slimmer and more comfortable then other lights.

Shown here vs a Armytek Doberman Pro and Malkoff MD2 - both more in line with a typical Surefire 6P size.

https://i.ibb.co/gTpjZm0/Eagletac-D25-LC2.jpg

The D25LC2 is pretty much identical in width to a standard Glock 9mm magazine body:

https://i.ibb.co/hRF1wnW/Eagletac-D25-LC2-slim-glock-mag.jpg

User interface is also very simple, identical to the old Foursevens Quark format.

Head Tight = Turbo (1100lm) + Strobe (1100lm)

Head Loose = Moonlight - Low - Medium - High multi mode.

--> With the head tightened in your pocket, the light will always come on in 1100lm Turbo mode, and an accidental double click will still have it in 1100lm strobe. (I wish there was no strobe, but its an effectively sickening strobe pattern).

The moonlight - low - medium modes are tremendous, especially in case of a power outage. On Low it can put out 60lm for 33hrs, and 225lm for 8hrs on Medium, using an 18650 battery.

My only complaints are that it cant use unprotected 18650's (so no battery compatibility with my Vape) and that theres a fraction of a second delay from when the light is clicked to the light turning on.

But overall I think its a good alternative to the Stiletto if you're looking for a slim but powerful light.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Wow that's a lot smaller than I thought. Looks tiny compared to the malkoff

[spyderco monkey]

Wow that's a lot smaller than I thought. Looks tiny compared to the malkoff

It has the same size reflector as the Malkoff as well; the Malkoff head is just absurdly armored:

https://i.ibb.co/rZBTLjd/Eagletac-DCL2-head-size-vs-Malkoff.jpg

Overall it's extremely size efficient. It uses an 18650 or 2xCR123's, and yet its the same overall length as the 1xCR123 as the Surefire EDCL1T.

Pretty much the 'Goldilocks' of size to capability for EDC.

I'm planning on buying 1-2 spares, in case they ever discontinue them.

[Clusterfrack]

I just bought a second Malkoff Bodyguard2. Nothing I’ve tried comes close in brightness to size ratio. It’s as bright as the Stiletto Pro.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201229/04e49a91481063d0c8404f3e64f37b48.jpg

[randyho]

I miss those Raven clips. So simple.

[Blades]

If you're willing to go ever so slightly wider - 0.9" x 4.5" - I'd highly recommend the Eagletac D25LC2 as a EDC 'Slim Tactical/Utility Light.'


EagTac has an SST-20 High CRI(95+) LED option! Now I'm looking at them.

[spyderco monkey]

EagTac has an SST-20 High CRI(95+) LED option! Now I'm looking at them.

Not sure if they offer that SST in the D25LC2, but the D25 is available in the Nichia 219C, CRI92.

Myself I never got into tints; so long as its not dollar store blue I'm happy with the beam color.

[Blades]

Not sure if they offer that SST in the D25LC2, but the D25 is available in the Nichia 219C, CRI92.

Myself I never got into tints; so long as its not dollar store blue I'm happy with the beam color.

It is an EagTac D25LC2 MKII I found on a website; the company may be modifying them? Not sure, I put one in my cart and then quit looking.
Good idea staying away from "tints" -- once you get something with a high CRI you realize how much it helps. I should never have bought one, now I'm hooked and appreciate the subtle differences a high CRI LED brings without washing out everything with brightness.

[spyderco monkey]

It is an EagTac D25LC2 MKII I found on a website; the company may be modifying them? Not sure, I put one in my cart and then quit looking.
Good idea staying away from "tints" -- once you get something with a high CRI you realize how much it helps. I should never have bought one, now I'm hooked and appreciate the subtle differences a high CRI LED brings without washing out everything with brightness.

Nice, I just found the website you were referring to; it may be either a new model or a custom variant for that webstite.

In terms of performance, here's how the regular XM-L2 U4 performs at 1150lm out the front.

50 yards to wall, at night:
https://i.ibb.co/2cmMdhc/IMG-9325.jpg

50 yards, Eagletac D25LC2 (photo blurry because hard to camera with one hand holding a light)
https://i.ibb.co/4pQ9h9t/IMG-9327.jpg

So for 'Pistol' applications, theres plenty of light and spill at 50 yards to both ID a distant target, and illuminate the surrounding area and foreground.

[vcdgrips]

Where are Eagtac flashlights made?

[spyderco monkey]

Where are Eagtac flashlights made?

China.

I try to buy made in the USA/Japan/EU whenever I can, but for Flashlights, China makes the worlds most advanced, and has for the last 10+ years.

Surefire and Malkoff still dont have a light as advanced as my 2009 era Foursevens Quark, for example. A $200 Modlite OKW puts out 69k Candela; a $80 Maxtoch Archer M1 is putting out over 250k Candela from the same 18650 format... and on and on. And there's nothing like the Eagletac D25LC2 - at any price - made in the USA.

So for Fireworks and Flashlights, China is actually leading in quality, not just price.

I only go USA for weapon lights, as the Chinese haven't figured out fully potted electronics for recoil. But for EDC lights, a good Chinese brand is the way to go for most applications in my experience.