Shooting incidents in the news.

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The purpose of this thread is to discuss current shooting incidents or gun related news with respect to self defense and what we can all learn from them in the way of our own tactics. Intelligent debate, advice and comments are all welcome with respect to the given information. Hopefully this will also turn into a list of positive uses of firearms and will support the position of being pro-gun in regards to defending one's self and loved ones versus the slander that often pervades our modern media.

I will try to update this daily if at all possible so that current, relevent shootings can be discussed. If you have something to contribute that I haven't posted, please do so, but follow the guidelines of providing a link to the information and a small summary in your post.

In no way is this a thread to slander, bash, insult or denegrate LEOs, military or private citizens for their actions. This is a place for us to learn from other's experiences, what works, what doesn't and how we can become better prepared to deal with a situation if we're ever confronted with a similar scenario. Due to the nature of the topic there will be posts that some people will consider MMQB'ing (Monday Morning Quarter Backing) and that's unavoidable. If you're not comfortable with discussing shooting incidents and having people dissect the information that's provided by the media please don't participate.

We all know that the media is biased, has an agenda and often times isn't very accurate in their reporting. However, we can only discuss what information the media provides in most instances so please keep this in mind.

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GA - GA Man Holds Man Robbing Neighbor’s Home At Gunpoint Until Police Arrive (http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/ga-man-holds-man-robbing-neighbors-home-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive/)

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CO - A CO homeowner interrupted a burglary in progress. The homeowner drew a gun on the burglar, causing him to flee. The homeowner followed the suspect and held him until police arrived to make an arrest. (http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/co-homeowner-holds-burglary-suspect-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive/)

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FL - A FL family had quite a scare when two masked men burst into their house. The men demanded money, but the husband managed to secure his family in the master bedroom before arming himself with a small pistol and firing three shots at the suspects. They ran off and it’s unknown if they were hit. (http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/fl-father-fires-at-2-home-invaders-as-his-family-hides-in-bathroom/)

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AR - A 12 year old AR boy grabbed a gun when a man and woman broke into his neighbor’s home and tried to steal several items. The male burglar was captured while the female remains at large. The homeowner praised his son, saying he didn’t think most adults would handle the situation so well. (http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/ar-12-year-boy-grabs-gun-stops-burglar/) Video at link.

[Mr_White]

Quick question: might we want to paste an entire article into a post, in addition to providing a link to the article? Given enough time, links might become inactive and details of the story unavailable.

Not sure how this idea squares with the copyright policy of p-f.

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CO - A CO check cashing clerk was attacked by 2 men who tried to rob his store. They sprayed him with pepper spray and then demanded money. The clerk was armed with a handgun and was able to fire at the suspects, hitting one in the leg. The suspect who was shot was captured and the other escaped. The suspects are believed to be serial robbers responsible for other robberies in the area. (http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-co-check-cashing-clerk-shot-1-of-2-robbers-after-they-maced-him/) Video at link.

The incident in this post and prior to were all reported in the last 2 days. All incidents from here out will be current news.

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UT - A homeowner fatally shot a would-be robber who entered his house in Springville early Thursday morning. The intruder apparently stopped for a snack and changed clothes before going upstairs to threaten the home's residents. (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19419913#.T0_ILt3Z59g) Follow link for video.

[EMC]

This is fantastic, a good substitute for "Armed Citizen" on the NRA site or American Rifleman. Great idea.

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UT - A homeowner fatally shot a would-be robber who entered his house in Springville early Thursday morning. The intruder apparently stopped for a snack and changed clothes before going upstairs to threaten the home's residents. (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19419913#.T0_ILt3Z59g) Follow link for video.

"homeowner walked into a closet, got his 9 mm gun and shot the intruder, striking him once in the chest". One shot stop. Must have got him right in the heart.

[JV_]

Must have got him right in the heart.He was just grazed, it was a .45 ....

[JeffJ]

He was just grazed, it was a .45 ....

He missed, it was a 10mm...

[SCinNC]

One shot stop. Must have got him right in the heart.

Homeowner just pointed it at him... It was really a Judge with 410 shells. :)

[CMG]

My first thought was .22 to the eye socket but then they mentioned 1 shot to the torso.;)

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OK - An Oklahoma City woman shot a man who was breaking into her house after calling 911. When police arrived they found the home invader dead in the house. (http://www.koco.com/r/30575218/detail.html)

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GA - A 15 year old GA boy used a .22 caliber rifle to fight off 2 home invaders. He shot one of the men at least twice. The intruder who was shot was ruled dead on the scene. The other intruder escaped and is not believed to be injured. The boy and his father, who was also home at the time, were not injured. (http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2012-02-29/burglar-killed-martinez?v=1330554641)

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He missed, it was a 10mm...


Homeowner just pointed it at him... It was really a Judge with 410 shells. :)


My first thought was .22 to the eye socket but then they mentioned 1 shot to the torso.;)

Not to sound like a party pooper but let's try to keep this thread semi-serious. I'm sure we can all name some caliber that's not optimal for self-defense and come up with a one liner but it defeats the purpose of this thread. Thanks!

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GA - A 15 year old GA boy used a .22 caliber rifle to fight off 2 home invaders. He shot one of the men at least twice. The intruder who was shot was ruled dead on the scene. The other intruder escaped and is not believed to be injured. The boy and his father, who was also home at the time, were not injured. (http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2012-02-29/burglar-killed-martinez?v=1330554641)

This young man should be commended for taking the intiative to help prevent harm coming to his family. Hopefully it doesn't weigh too heavily on his conscience.

Proof that young, mature kids can be taught to use firearms in a safe and efficient manner.

[SCinNC]

This young man should be commended for taking the intiative to help prevent harm coming to his family. Hopefully it doesn't weigh too heavily on his conscience.

Proof that young, mature kids can be taught to use firearms in a safe and efficient manner.

Too true. A .22 would require very exact shot placement to yield such results. Kudos also to whomever (presumably his father) instructed him.

Oh, and sorry for the one liner earlier. Not a great way to start my posting here I guess. [/threaddrift]

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Oh, and sorry for the one liner earlier. Not a great way to start my posting here I guess. [/threaddrift]
No biggie. I was just hoping trying to keep this thread more of a semi-serious discussion and there were 4 caliber comments in a row.

PA - A PA convenience store owner fired his gun at 2 armed robbers who tried to rob his store. It is unclear if either suspect was hit and both remain at large. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_784320.html)

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PA - A 71 year old man drew a gun on a 29 year old armed robber after he tried to rob him in a bar parking lot. A struggle ensued which led to the elderly man pistol whipping the younger robber several times. The victim got into his vehicle and drove a short distance away to call police. When police arrived they captured the robber who is being treated for numerous injuries. The older victim was unharmed and was not treated. (http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown/year-old-pistol-whips-attempted-robber/article_f34c26fc-5815-59ad-ba1a-ccc3b611c769.html)

He might've not used his pistol in the more conventional manner but I still liked the fact that the old guy stood up for himself.

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PA - The owner of a PA auto parts store drew a Taurus Judge from under the counter of his shop after an armed man barged in and demanded money. The owner said he exchanged some words with the robber who then fled. The owner said the reason the man fled was that his gun was much smaller than the shop owner’s. (http://www.webcitation.org/65wmk4jne)

Maybe the Judge does work? ;)

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AR - An AR homeowner shot a burlgar breaking into his home several times in the stomach. The suspect fled and was driven by a cousin to a regional hospital. The suspect is recovering and both the suspected burglar and the cousin who drove him to the hospital are being interviewed by police. (http://arkansasmatters.com/fulltext?nxd_id=515882)

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NC - A NC woman shot and killed a home invader sometime after 1am. The woman confronted the intruder after he entered her home and shot him. The woman was not injured and the intruder was pronounced dead on the scene. (http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Gastonia-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-inside-home-141296523.html) Video at link.

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PA - A 71 year old man drew a gun on a 29 year old armed robber after he tried to rob him in a bar parking lot. A struggle ensued which led to the elderly man pistol whipping the younger robber several times. The victim got into his vehicle and drove a short distance away to call police. When police arrived they captured the robber who is being treated for numerous injuries. The older victim was unharmed and was not treated. (http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown/year-old-pistol-whips-attempted-robber/article_f34c26fc-5815-59ad-ba1a-ccc3b611c769.html)

He might've not used his pistol in the more conventional manner but I still liked the fact that the old guy stood up for himself.

Dumb criminals forget that this generation grew up in tougher times and underestimate them. Old man strength!

[barstoolguru]

moved

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PA - The owner of a PA auto parts store drew a Taurus Judge from under the counter of his shop after an armed man barged in and demanded money. The owner said he exchanged some words with the robber who then fled. The owner said the reason the man fled was that his gun was much smaller than the shop owner’s. (http://www.webcitation.org/65wmk4jne)

Maybe the Judge does work? ;)

My Dentist was talking about buying a Judge and I told him that he would be made fun of if he did. Maybe I made a mistake? :D

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what would you do if this happen?

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120307/NEWS/303070077

It's not really germane to this thread as there was no defensive use of a gun involved. You might want to possibly start another thread or add to one that deals with similar subjects.

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SC - A SC convenience store owner shot and killed an armed robbery suspect. The owner was closing the store for the night and was walking to his car when he was approached by an armed man who demanded money. The store owner immediately drew his own gun and began firing at the armed man, hitting and killing him. The homeowner has a concealed weapons permit and was acting in self defense. The suspect had a long criminal history. (http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=727220#.T1d_vOBSRBk) Video at link.

[JDM]

Great thread Irish!

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Great thread Irish!

Thanks! I encourage everyone to include any incidents that I miss and feel free to discuss any and all reports.

[orionz06]

This is right up the road from me and the building is nestled around many University of Pittsburgh buildings.

Multiple victims in Western Psych shooting (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12068/1215395-100.stm)



At least five people have been shot at Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic of UPMC. One shooter has been accounted for, but police are searching for a possible second shooter.

A University of Pittsburgh police officer was grazed in the leg, officials said.

SWAT teams from Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Port Authority and state police have been called to the scene.

Police were called shortly before 2 p.m. Police were checking reports that a person is being held hostage.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12068/1215395-100.stm#ixzz1oYj3mz3e

Security is normally very tight at Western Psych, according to those who work there. Visitors must stop at a first-floor reception desk for a visitor's badge, but they are not checked with a metal detector until they are about to enter one of the locked units upstairs.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12068/1215395-100.stm#ixzz1oYivstg4

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This is right up the road from me and the building is nestled around many University of Pittsburgh buildings.

Multiple victims in Western Psych shooting (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12068/1215395-100.stm)

Glad to hear they got the first shooter, hopefully there isn't a second. Personally, I'll never allow myself to be "locked down" and will be hightailing it at the first given opportunity. Fish in a barrel and all that.

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SC - A SC homeowner shot and killed a man breaking into his home around 6pm. Police say the 2 men are related, but that relationship did not play a part in the shooting, which is being ruled self defense. No charges are expected against the homeowner. Details are still emerging. (http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/03/09/3807154/lancaster-homeowner-shoots-kills.html)

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NJ - A suspected shoplifter who held a woman hostage at knifepoint inside Woodbridge Center was shot to death by a police officer this evening, setting off a scene of chaos inside one of New Jersey’s largest shopping malls, authorities said. (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/shooting_at_woodbridge_center.html)

Good job done by the police officer. However, if this hadn't been NJ it could have just as easily been a regular concealed carry citizen as an off-duty cop.

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MI - A man with a license to carry a concealed weapon used his gun to stop a Madison Heights man suspected of trying to assault people with a knife in the parking lot of Holiday Market, police said. (http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/03/08/news/doc4f5925c847a4c794541483.txt)

“The suspect began approaching the couple with the knife drawn,” Royal Oak Detective Lt. Tom Goad said in a statement. “As the suspect approached, one of the customers in the lot, a CCW license holder, pulled his firearm out and ordered the suspect to drop the knife.”

The customer with the gun yelled at the suspect several times before the suspect dropped the knife and sat on the ground, police said.

Royal Oak Police arrived on the scene and arrested the suspect.

“Thanks to the quick actions of the citizen no one was hurt,” Goad said.

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TX - A man caught 2 men burglarizing a neighbor’s home. During a confrontation the neighbor and the suspects exchanged gunfire. One of the suspects was hit and wounded while the other fled. Police say no charges will be fired against the neighbor. (http://www.cbs19.tv/story/17132622/longview-man-shoots-alleged-burglar)

Video at link.

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NY - An after-hours cleaning man at a Jamaica grocery shot and killed one of two brazen catburglars who’d cut a hole through the roof to rob the place, sources said. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/cleaning_man_fatally_shoots_burglar_TXcAKBMtxsA2Xw cSyXpMPJ#ixzz1p1mvnA4w)

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TX - A homeowner confronted a man on his property who was stealing his truck. After the suspect retrieved a pistol from his vehicle a gunfight followed which resulted in the suspect being shot once in the leg. The suspect was captured a short while later and is now being treated in a local hospital. (http://forneypost.net/Story.aspx?ArticleID=1554&HL=Homeowner-Shoots-Robbery-Suspect-in-Self-Defense)

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IL - A homeowner in rural IL fired five shots at 2 men who invaded his home. The homeowner saw the men coming into his home after being alerted by his dog. One of the men was armed with a crowbar. The homeowner retrieved a handgun and over 5 minutes fired shots at and chased off the 2 men, who fled in a blue four door car. It is not believed either of the intruders was shot. The homeowner believes he was targeted because of the isolated nature of his home and property. (http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=233492) Video at link.

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OH - READ THIS ARTICLE. (http://www.daily-jeff.com/local%20news/2012/02/29/two-injured-in-shootings.modal)


"When he arrived home, his family was being held hostage," McCauley said.

Deputies were alerted to the shooting at 3:44 p.m. via a 911 call from the victim's wife.

According to a press release issued by the sheriff's office, the victim was reportedly confronted by the assailant in his driveway.

The assailant was armed and pointed the gun at the victim while ordering him inside the residence.

Once inside the home, the victim was ordered downstairs, at which time he was reportedly shot in the back by the assailant while walking down the stairs.

The victim was then able to return fire.

"The victim managed to get a firearm and he returned fire," striking the shooter, McCauley said.

Quoting this blurb (http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8256) from Buckeye Firearms.

Although authorities did not release what type of weapons were used in the shootings, a former student of mine who is related to the victims in this case informed me that the attacker had a shotgun loaded with deer slugs, and the defender was able to return fire and stop the attack with a .22 single shot rifle.

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MN - A MN store owner who drew a gun in self defense felt that there were simply too many customers in his store to fire his weapon at the suspect without hitting an innocent bystander so he fired a warning shot at the floor. This scared the would be thief off. No one was hurt and no money was taken. (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/camera-catches-would-be-armed-robber-hitting-girl-mar-13-2012)

Surveillance video of incident at link.

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NY - An after-hours cleaning man at a Jamaica grocery shot and killed one of two brazen catburglars who’d cut a hole through the roof to rob the place, sources said. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/cleaning_man_fatally_shoots_burglar_TXcAKBMtxsA2Xw cSyXpMPJ#ixzz1p1mvnA4w)

What looks to be Justifiable homicide in NYC with a handgun?! Wow. I wonder how this is going to go.

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What looks to be Justifiable homicide in NYC with a handgun?! Wow. I wonder how this is going to go.

The original article didn't specify and only used the word weapon. This article (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/janitor_blast_kills_grocery_store_uyjygz6ODv0dMDBW pOmDFP) states he used a shotgun.

In New York you can use deadly force to prevent and terminate a burglary.

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article35.htm

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to
be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that
another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such
dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other
person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to
prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such
burglary.

[JDM]

Slightly less interesting then.

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Slightly less interesting then.

Yeah, when I read it I thought the same thing. Still, chalk one up for the good guys!

[JDM]

Yeah, when I read it I thought the same thing. Still, chalk one up for the good guys! In occupied territory even.

[Badfish25]

It’s “another example of how a (concealed weapons permit) may save your life,” stated Spartanburg County Sheriff, Chuck Wright, after a concealed-carrier took down an armed robber and prevented another in a Waffle House full of customers.

http://americanvisionnews.com/1383/sheriff-defends-man-who-shot-armed-robber-at-sc-waffle-house

I heard a lot of Monday morning quarter backing on this one, seems like the guy make a good judgement call to me.

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http://americanvisionnews.com/1383/sheriff-defends-man-who-shot-armed-robber-at-sc-waffle-house

I heard a lot of Monday morning quarter backing on this one, seems like the guy make a good judgement call to me.

I wouldn't have attempted to tell the robbers to "stay put" as the article stated. Bad guys forcing people to the floor and waving a gun would mean I'm engaging them straight away or I'm hauling tail for the nearest exit.

[LHS]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/15/20120315burglary-suspect-shot-mesa-police-say-abrk.html

Not much info here, unfortunately.

[MDS]

http://americanvisionnews.com/1383/sheriff-defends-man-who-shot-armed-robber-at-sc-waffle-house

I heard a lot of Monday morning quarter backing on this one, seems like the guy make a good judgement call to me.


I wouldn't have attempted to tell the robbers to "stay put" as the article stated. Bad guys forcing people to the floor and waving a gun would mean I'm engaging them straight away or I'm hauling tail for the nearest exit.

First of all, awesome thread! Thanks for starting it and posting so much info here.

What's tough, though, is that there are just so many variables. On the one hand, my instinct is to agree with Irish - if a BG has a gun and seems willing to use it, I don't want to put myself or anyone else in any more danger than necessary. So it follows that I'll shoot if I can, or haul out of there if that seems more prudent. But then I play the "what if" game, and I can come up with a lot of scenarios about things that weren't discussed in the article, where I might be comfortable giving the robbers that warning sign. Where giving that warning sign not only wouldn't add to my or anyone else's danger, but would maybe even give some innocent bystanders an opportunity to clear out of my line of fire or etc.

That's what's tough (to me) about analyzing these stories. They're super-useful, and please keep them coming! But the stories (even the ones with video) often just don't have enough information to support a thorough analysis of the tactics.

Maybe someone with more experience analyzing this sort of thing can share tips for getting the most learning out of these stories....?

[Badfish25]

I wouldn't have attempted to tell the robbers to "stay put" as the article stated. Bad guys forcing people to the floor and waving a gun would mean I'm engaging them straight away or I'm hauling tail for the nearest exit.

Yea I get what your saying, but in my mind I took it as the guy was hesitant to just start shooting without some type of verbal communication (a lot of this can be blamed on movies IMO), but as soon as the situation started to deteriorated he knew what need to be done.

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CO - The owner of a CO check cashing business drew his gun (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/30681071/detail.html) after 2 armed men tried to rob him after the store had been closed. During the gunfight the owner was shot in the hand and the 2 suspects escaped in a vehicle.

A reminder to practice SHO and WHO only shooting!

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NC - A store clerk spent the night in his convenience store to protect it after someone tore a hole in the roof. Around 2:30am a man broke into the store and was confronted by the clerk who shot him (http://myfox8.com/2012/03/16/report-nc-clerk-shoots-at-attempted-robber/). The suspected robber then fled, but was captured by police nearby.

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AZ - A homeowner heard a noise in his home around 4PM. Realizing that someone was in his home the homeowner grabbed a gun and confronted the intruder in a hallway and then shot the intruder. The homeowner called 911 and the suspect was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Article and video here. (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/home-intruder-shot-by-resident-3-15-2012)

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PA - A confusing story about a guy who's "spidey sense" starts tingling and he then loads his gun, reholsters then draws it firing a round into the ground... 2 bad guys runs off. Sounds a little iffy on this one and could be just a story to get himself in the local paper (http://timesleader.com/stories/Man-pulls-out-gun-to-ward-off-Wilkes-Barre-armed-robbery-try,125079?category_id=487&town_id=1&sub_type=stories).

Don't carry an unloaded weapon and don't pose for pictures like what's shown in the article.

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PA - A confusing story about a guy who's "spidey sense" starts tingling and he then loads his gun, reholsters then draws it firing a round into the ground... 2 bad guys runs off. Sounds a little iffy on this one and could be just a story to get himself in the local paper (http://timesleader.com/stories/Man-pulls-out-gun-to-ward-off-Wilkes-Barre-armed-robbery-try,125079?category_id=487&town_id=1&sub_type=stories).

Don't carry an unloaded weapon and don't pose for pictures like what's shown in the article.

You think I'd ever admit to owning a Sigma (or SD, I guess ) let alone pose for a photo with it???

[jstyer]

I don't know about the SD... there is a video on youtube of a South African instructor doing WORK with an SD9. Though he does at least comment that the trigger is awful.

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You think I'd ever admit to owning a Sigma (or SD, I guess ) let alone pose for a photo with it???

Posing in a photo with it while muzzling you're own hand. Not a good message to send to people in my opinion.

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FL - Appears to be a nutjob trying to carjack / kidnap a kid maybe? (http://www.news4jax.com/news/Man-shot-killed-in-St-Augustine/-/475880/9488142/-/ut8fdk/-/) Not sure what charges would be filed but there's no need now.

[JDM]

NM- Homeowner shoots serial burglar:

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/serial-burglar-shot-by-homeowner


Court records show he's been prosecuted for four burglaries in the last year, the most recent on January 15th, 2012.

It appears the only way this guy will be stopped is if he gets killed during the commission of one of his crimes.

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It appears the only way this guy will be stopped is if he gets killed during the commission of one of his crimes.

They should pay the homeowner a bounty of what the court costs and estimated incarceration costs would be. :)

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FL - A homeowner has shot and killed a man (http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/245726/19/Man-killed-after-trying-to-enter-home-with-sword) who was forcefully trying to gain access to the home around midnight. The would be intruder was armed with a sword.

Don't bring a sword to a gun fight.

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TX - Homeowner kills intruder (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Montgomery-County-man-kills-alleged-home-invader-3415601.php).

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FL - Witness has shoot out with bad guys (http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/2012/03/17/police-say-witness-shoots-way-out-of-encounter-with-suspects.html).

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CA - Shop owner shoots robber (http://www.10news.com/news/30700853/detail.html).

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PA - Robber killed, owner hurt (http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-18/news/31207731_1_mini-mart-owner-shot-getaway-car).

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IL - Clerk fires shot scares off robber (http://www.sj-r.com/archive/x299886005/Store-clerk-fires-shot-scares-off-would-be-robber).

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Homeowner kills intruder in backyard (http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Suspect-dead-in-apparent-Vegas-robbery-attempt/-qPUPbSo7UWp0EqGS_ELVA.cspx) not too far from my house. Just happened and is "breaking news" but doesn't sound too good from the initial report. Being listed as an attempted robbery but not enough details to comment further.

[HeadHunter]

Homeowner kills intruder in backyard (http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Suspect-dead-in-apparent-Vegas-robbery-attempt/-qPUPbSo7UWp0EqGS_ELVA.cspx) not too far from my house. Just happened and is "breaking news" but doesn't sound too good from the initial report. Being listed as an attempted robbery but not enough details to comment further.


"We never have any issues," said Stacey Boreta, another neighbor. "It makes me more aware. You can't get too comfortable."

Boreta, a single mother, said the incident was eye-opening.

"It makes me want to have a gun in the house because I would do the same thing," she said. "When I have my son in the house, I'm not playing games."

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HH - She sounds like she's adopting the proper mindset and now needs to get the proper training to go with it.

Plenty of "nice" areas in Vegas are going down hill rapidly due to the obvious like housing costs, unemployment, cheap rentals, Section 8, etc. We can't move soon enough.

[HeadHunter]

HH - She sounds like she's adopting the proper mindset and now needs to get the proper training to go with it.

Plenty of "nice" areas in Vegas are going down hill rapidly due to the obvious like housing costs, unemployment, cheap rentals, Section 8, etc. We can't move soon enough.

I think we haven't seen the bottom of the barrel as far as social/civility decline. All the more reason to keep a roscoe at least close at hand at all times. Yesterday, a student of mine in Venezuela called and was telling me about stuff going on there. Pretty bad.

[Shellback]

I think we haven't seen the bottom of the barrel as far as social/civility decline.
I couldn't agree more

KY - A 78 year old homeowner said he was ready (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/Homeowner-shoots-intruder-143390356.html)when 2 young men broke into his home around 4am. The elderly cancer survivor says he has always slept with a loaded pistol under his pillow. When he saw two men from his bedroom window he grabbed the gun. A moment later he heard his front door kicked in and then heard the men coming straight for his bedroom. The homeowner fired shots from the pistol striking one of the men. He then retrieved a shotgun and fired at the second home invader, who has come back after initially being scared off by the pistol shots.

Video interview at link.

[NickA]

I couldn't agree more

KY - A 78 year old homeowner said he was ready (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/Homeowner-shoots-intruder-143390356.html)when 2 young men broke into his home around 4am. The elderly cancer survivor says he has always slept with a loaded pistol under his pillow. When he saw two men from his bedroom window he grabbed the gun. A moment later he heard his front door kicked in and then heard the men coming straight for his bedroom. The homeowner fired shots from the pistol striking one of the men. He then retrieved a shotgun and fired at the second home invader, who has come back after initially being scared off by the pistol shots.

Video interview at link.

I say this with all due respect- that is one tough old bird.
Have to wonder if this was random, or like the one in OK where the BG's had local knowledge and were looking for pain meds since the guy was a cancer survivor. Something to keep in mind if you or a family member regularly uses painkillers or other expensive medicine.

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[HeadHunter]

Have to wonder if this was random, or like the one in OK where the BG's had local knowledge and were looking for pain meds since the guy was a cancer survivor. Something to keep in mind if you or a family member regularly uses painkillers or other expensive medicine.
Certainly a possibility. He said they went straight for him. I wonder who cleans his house or does other work for him?

[Shellback]

MI - A homeowner who was distracted by a man on his front lawn found he was being robbed by 2 men who entered his home from the back while he was talking to the first man out front. When the homeowner became suspicious of the suspect, he went back inside and interrupted the attempted burglary in progress. All the suspects fled as the homeowner got a hand gun. As the suspects were fleeing in a minivan the victim fired one shot, hitting the van in the driver's side fender. News report here (http://www.wtol.com/story/17203628/victim-shoots-at-suspects-after-attempted-burglary-in-bedford-twp).

Concealed carry is much faster than retrieving a gun. Also, not to wise to shoot at fleeing bad guys in van.

[EMC]

MI - A homeowner who was distracted by a man on his front lawn found he was being robbed by 2 men who entered his home from the back while he was talking to the first man out front. When the homeowner became suspicious of the suspect, he went back inside and interrupted the attempted burglary in progress. All the suspects fled as the homeowner got a hand gun. As the suspects were fleeing in a minivan the victim fired one shot, hitting the van in the driver's side fender. News report here (http://www.wtol.com/story/17203628/victim-shoots-at-suspects-after-attempted-burglary-in-bedford-twp).

Concealed carry is much faster than retrieving a gun. Also, not to wise to shoot at fleeing bad guys in van.

Good information on criminal tactics. I once had a very strange Sunday afternoon visit to my door by a young man who looked surprised by me answering the door. He simply stammered "Have you seen a hat in your yard?". He had a buddy sitting in a car waiting. It wasn't until I made sense of the situation a little while later that I realized the punks were casing homes ringing door bells to see who was home. If I had figured it out immediately I would have contacted authorities right then, but I didn't get a good enough description of the vehicle. I did warn my neighbors about it.

Edit: Using the word "punks" for young people makes one feel and sound really old.

[zacbol]

Posted by Insights Training via their Facebook page and only a few miles from where I live. Intruder breaks into a home where a man and his girlfriend are sleeping. They retreat to the bedroom, call the cops, inform the man they are armed and if he approaches he will be shot. This is while he is threatening to kill them. When he attempts to break into their room, he is shot and killed. This is a textbook example of Insights SOP for this type of situation:
http://www.king5.com/news/Homeowner-shoots-and-kills-robber-145392095.html

[dookie1481]

Something to keep in mind if you or a family member regularly uses painkillers or other expensive medicine.

My GF works for a M.D. in a Pain Management center. No narcotics, but it bothers me that she is around these people all day. By her accounts, the vast majority of them are drug-seekers.

[98z28]

Active shooter across the street from where I work: Hattiesburg police identify Cucos shooting suspect (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20120402/NEWS01/120402018/Hattiesburg-police-identify-Cucos-shooting-suspect?odyssey=obinsite)

Some wackjob walks into a restaurant and pops the first five people he sees without saying a word. No apparent connection or motive to anyone in the restaurant.

He shoots five people, walks out, and is arrested without drama a couple of blocks away. The police are not releasing details, but I suspect he emptied whatever weapon he had and was out of options.

[NETim]

Clerk shoots robber at Mini-Mart--- Tampa FL (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/police%3A-clerk-shoots-robber-at-mini-mart-032612)

[Shellback]

Been really busy and haven't updated this as much as I would've liked in the last week. Many accounts of what I post can be read at www.keepandbeararms.com

Stay safe.

[HeadHunter]

PULLAYUP, Wash. -- A retired Puyallup police officer shot and killed a man who was attempting to break into his home Wednesday afternoon.

Pierce County sheriff's deputies said just before 4:30 p.m., a man who lives at a home in the 14300 block of 134th Avenue East was sleeping when people tried to break in. The owner grabbed his gun and fired, hitting one of the intruders. The group then fled.

http://www.king5.com/news/Puyallup-homeowner-opens-fire--146198925.html

[HeadHunter]

Clerk shoots robber at Mini-Mart--- Tampa FL (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/police%3A-clerk-shoots-robber-at-mini-mart-032612)

In initial reports, the Tampa Police Department said the store's owner, 31-year-old Taquanda Shanti Baker, told them the suspect fired a shot at her.

Now they say Baker told them that the suspect pointed a gun at her. She said she fired one shot into the ground accidentally, then fired a shot at the suspect.

[Al T.]

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2012/apr/07/6/two_people_shot_burglary-ar-3559909/



Deputies say the resident of the apartment building shot the two suspects. One suspect died on the scene, the other was taken to the hospital where he died.

The comments on the story (at the bottom) are interesting.

[CMG]

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-romantic-rejection-spurred-bar-shooting-147400015.html



The first arriving officer, identified as G. Taylor, saw Keck loading a shotgun and staring at the second business located behind Bomas. Taylor then briefly turned his attention to a woman, age 60, who had been shot in the arm.

When Taylor looked back at Keck, he had entered the business and fired three times, the report said.

Metropolitan Police Department Sgt. Jay Roberts commended Taylor's decision to wait for assistance during a Friday afternoon news conference on the shooting.

Taylor didn't confront Keck until four other officers arrived, the report said. No shots were fired by police.

"If this officer would have hastily engaged the suspect, we might very well have another victim listed," Roberts said.


When seconds count the police are minutes away or waiting for backup.

[TCinVA]

I was just alerted to this one today:

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/feb/17/tdmet02-teen-faces-new-charges-in-bp-shooting-ar-1695415/

Synopsis:



Smith faces 15 charges in the deaths of Tyler and Pierre Walter "Pete" Cosby, who was slain in an attempted robbery. A grand jury will consider the case on March 5, according to court records.

Smith, 17, is accused of robbing Tyler of his gun inside the BP station and fatally shooting him about 8:15 p.m. on Nov. 25. Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit but had been wearing the gun in a holster, plainly visible. According to court documents, Smith grabbed the gun from Tyler during a struggle inside the store and shot Tyler in the chest after the victim chased Smith.

[dookie1481]

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-romantic-rejection-spurred-bar-shooting-147400015.html



When seconds count the police are minutes away or waiting for backup.

Yeah, I live less than 2 miles from there.

[EMC]

I was just alerted to this one today:

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/feb/17/tdmet02-teen-faces-new-charges-in-bp-shooting-ar-1695415/

Synopsis:

Retention skills and an argument for discretion when carrying.

[LHS]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2012/04/19/20120419phoenix-good-samaritan-shot-abrk.html

Lessons to be learned here regarding being a Good Samaritan.

[EMC]

http://m.ksl.com/index/story/sid/20161608

Concealed carry citizen stops knife rampage at store, subdues man until police arrive.

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[ErnieB]

http://m.ksl.com/index/story/sid/20161608

Concealed carry citizen stops knife rampage at store, subdues man until police arrive.

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Just saw this. Well done sir! It was nice that the police praised him for how he handled the situation.

[EMC]

Just saw this. Well done sir! It was nice that the police praised him for how he handled the situation.

Glad it didn't turn out to be a teuller drill situation for the CCW guy. Strange that a psycho can be nuts enough to stab a guy in the head and another in the gut, but when confronted with a firearm, lays right down. Doesn't always happen like that.

[EMC]

More details on the stabber from my prior post.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=20168568&title=stabbing-suspect-has-long-criminal-history&s_cid=featured-2

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[JHC]

http://m.ksl.com/index/story/sid/20161608

Concealed carry citizen stops knife rampage at store, subdues man until police arrive.

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Well done HERO citizen. (Its not just for OCONUS).

[TCinVA]

This isn't technically a shooting incident, but I think it deserves mention:

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton

Synopsis:

Dude is driving down the street with a woman after the show.
Dude passes a group of about 100 "urban youths".
Dude's car gets hit by rocks.
Dude gets out of car to confront rock throwers.
Dude gets the snot beaten out of him as a significant number of the 100 "urban youths" take it in turns to kick his butt.
Woman with dude tries to intervene...and she catches a beat-down too.

Lesson:

Stay in the ***CENSORED*** car and drive the hell away.

[LHS]

This isn't technically a shooting incident, but I think it deserves mention:

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton

Synopsis:

Dude is driving down the street with a woman after the show.
Dude passes a group of about 100 "urban youths".
Dude's car gets hit by rocks.
Dude gets out of car to confront rock throwers.
Dude gets the snot beaten out of him as a significant number of the 100 "urban youths" take it in turns to kick his butt.
Woman with dude tries to intervene...and she catches a beat-down too.

Lesson:

Stay in the ***CENSORED*** car and drive the hell away.

That was my first thought too: "Why the hell did the idiot get out of his car? What did he think was going to happen?"

I'm curious whether the events have changed any of the two reporters' philosophical or political leanings.

[Nephrology]

That was my first thought too: "Why the hell did the idiot get out of his car? What did he think was going to happen?"

I'm curious whether the events have changed any of the two reporters' philosophical or political leanings.

I would need a couple more spare mags than I am used to carrying to be comfortable taking on 100 people...

[William B.]

I don't think this one has been posted yet.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/investigating-102834-police-shooting.html

This story doesn't seem to do a very good job of explaining what occured in any detail. From what my father (he lives there) told me, though, this is roughly what happened:

3 room mates (2 Marines, 1 civvie) returned to their house early in the morning around 1:30 or 2:00. When they got inside intruder #1 stepped out and hit one of the Marines in the face with the butt of a shotgun. He then squeezed the trigger, attempting to kill the Marine and nothing happened. Turns out it was the Marine's personal shotgun that he kept loaded w/an empty chamber. A wrestling match then ensued over the shotgun. Marine gained control of the shotgun and shot intruder #1 twice, killing him. He then saw intruder #2 scrambling for something under a bed and shot him twice, killing him as well. Apparently intruder #2 was trying to get a flashlight from underneath the bed. My best guess is that he was planning to help intruder #1 by using it as weapon. The DA has said that he does not plan to charge any of the 3 tenants.

[Coyotesfan97]

phoenix-homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/18710984/2012/06/05/phoenix-homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder)

The shooter was an off duty Tolleson AZ police officer who woke up to the sounds of the suspect breaking in

eta the suspect is actually in extremely critical condition after being shot in the head

[LittleLebowski]

phoenix-homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/18710984/2012/06/05/phoenix-homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder)

The shooter was an off duty Tolleson AZ police officer who woke up to the sounds of the suspect breaking in

eta the suspect is actually in extremely critical condition after being shot in the head

Something about playing stupid games :D

[mnealtx]

And winning stupid prizes?

[LittleLebowski]

And winning stupid prizes?

Precisely :D

A break-in at CoyotesFan97's house would probably have me giggling hysterically what with his two K9 dogs there :)

[Coyotesfan97]

Precisely :D

A break-in at CoyotesFan97's house would probably have me giggling hysterically what with his two K9 dogs there :)

It's actually pretty comforting when I leave knowing the retired dog is home with the family.

[mnealtx]

Precisely :D

A break-in at CoyotesFan97's house would probably have me giggling hysterically what with his two K9 dogs there :)


It's actually pretty comforting when I leave knowing the retired dog is home with the family.

A new chew toy!!!

Thanks, Dad!!!

[tmoore912]

A Texas CHL holder was present in a armed robbery. According to the news, he pulls his weapon when he can't get out the store because the BGs locked it. He gets in a shoot out with the BGs and one of his shots hits the clerk and kills her.



"They come in, they got guns out and they're threatening people in there. The CHL holder had every right to defend himself and that clerk," said Fox 26 legal analyst Chris Tritico.

The customer tried to leave but noticed the door was locked.

He pulled out his weapon and got in a gunfight with the robbers. Smith was caught in the crossfire, and ballistics tests show the CHL holder killed her.

Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl#ixzz1yGfqD9w1

[LHS]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/swvalley/articles/2012/06/22/20120622laveen-police-person-shot-critical-abrk.html

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=16635787

The second article references the kid taking his younger siblings upstairs where he retrieved his parents' handgun from their bedroom and returned to the staircase to find the intruder breaking in. The first article said the intruder had a rifle and pointed it at the kid. Fortunately, the kid was a faster and better shot.

[NETim]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Internet-cafe-patron-shoots-robbery-suspects/-/475880/15570742/-/irc1tyz/-/index.html

[EMC]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Internet-cafe-patron-shoots-robbery-suspects/-/475880/15570742/-/irc1tyz/-/index.html

Hahahahaha, nothing like getting shot in the arse with a .380 to set you straight in life. Young whipper snappers need to be taught a lesson.

[LHS]

Some video of the action here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/surveillance-vid-shows-71-year-old-concealed-carry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/

Interesting to see how some of the people behave. The woman standing in the middle with her hands over her ears, in total vaporlock, for instance.

[JodyH]

Interesting to see how some of the people behave. The woman standing in the middle with her hands over her ears, in total vaporlock, for instance.
Fight, flight and freeze... all in one video.

[Bigguy]

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Pine-Bluff-woman-gunned-down-in-front-of-coworkers/PD4xdSDOK0iUYIUYwcidaw.cspx?rss=315
It's very possible that she would have only shot one victim even without the armed citizen. But maybe not.

[JHC]

This gun carrier came to the aid of 3rd parties risking all. Good on him.

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx


SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Police say right now they have no idea what caused the suspect to go on the dangerous rampage. (We will update as soon as we learn new information.)

So far, police have not released the names of the suspect, the victims or the man who pulled the gun.

[KeeFus]

Warrenton, N.C. — A man who, authorities say, broke into a Warren County home on Friday has died from gunshot wounds he received at the time.


http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/11397387/

[JHC]

Coming to the aid of a LEO engaged in a rifle right - he makes multiple hits with a handgun at 150+ yards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g1n8cmwhIY&feature=share

[GJM]

South African mine shooting video:

http://www.news24.com/Multimedia/South-Africa/Lonmin-mine-shoot-out-footage-20120816

[EMC]

Bring a sword to the Vegas Dairy Queen and try to rob it? That's a shootin'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sword-wielding-robber-killed-vegas-dairy-queen-17038618#.UDGy_JuInEU

[TCinVA]

Not a shooting incident, but it's a fairly common theme:

Large group robs two people on VCU's campus. (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/22/11/group-commits-assault-violent-robbery-vcus-main-ca-ar-2147611/)

The yearly influx of college students is on across the Commonwealth. This means lots of naive kids with no real defensive capabilities, lots of cool electronics, and lots of opportunity to assault them on and off campus. Some of the predators come in from other communities. Some live in the community. Some are students themselves, as there are even localized "fraternities" that are little more than an upscale street gang.

[RoyGBiv]

Intruder shot by Alabama mother, backed up by her two daughters with a knife and an axe.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alabama-woman-shoots-home-intruder-to-protect-herself-and-her-ax-and-knife-wielding-daughters/


we would be writing up a different report if she had not had that gun

[RoyGBiv]

Knife-wielding crazy guy walks up on traffic stop, threatens LEO, gets shot.

Story (video link busted): http://ilpvideo.com/video.php?v=Mzc2MjQ

Different video from TV news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcuQk5wzPUE

[NickA]

Armed citizen kills man attacking police officer:
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4527526

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[Bigguy]

That's when Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.

Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso. Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen. With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.

Holy Cow! What the heck was that guy on? You'd think 4 .45 slugs (and probably a 5th 9mm) would get the point across.

[BaiHu]

MD school shooting.

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0828/Maryland-school-shooter-facing-attempted-murder-charges

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[mizer67]

Holy Cow! What the heck was that guy on? You'd think 4 .45 slugs (and probably a 5th 9mm) would get the point across.

Some people don't quit when you think they should.

[JM Campbell]

Holy Cow! What the heck was that guy on? You'd think 4 .45 slugs (and probably a 5th 9mm) would get the point across.

Switching to a head shot might have been beneficial if the shot was available.

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[NickA]

Switching to a head shot might have been beneficial if the shot was available.

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That's what he did- 4 to the body, BG continues to fight and ignore commands, citizen advances and puts one in his dome.

Another one:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/28/13526604-armed-customer-shoots-dollar-store-robber-killing-him?lite
Guess nobody told the shooter that that competition stuff will get you killed on the street ;)

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[JM Campbell]

Guess I should have read the link and not glanced over the post here ;)

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[NickA]

Guess I should have read the link and not glanced over the post here ;)

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But it would have cut into your holster ordering time;)

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[LHS]

That's what he did- 4 to the body, BG continues to fight and ignore commands, citizen advances and puts one in his dome.




Both Phares and Baton Rouge Police Chief Jeff LeDuff stopped short of crediting Stevens with saving the officer's life. LeDuff says the entire incident is unfortunate.

"I spoke with his father at the scene briefly," said LeDuff. "I think this is a tragic situation all around."

9 News is told George Temple has a criminal record, and Officer Harrison was involved in a shooting while employed as a prison guard in East Baton Rouge Parish, where he was suspended for three days back in 1995.

It sure sounds like Stevens saved the officer's life. Good on him.

[NickA]

It sure sounds like Stevens saved the officer's life. Good on him.

I mentioned this story over on TPI and it was pointed out that it actually happened in 2006. I think I saw it on a blog presented as new and never checked the dates. Anyway, more detailed information here:
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/01/one-man-got-involved-perry_12.html?m=1
If this is accurate the officer was indeed screwed without Stephens' intervention.

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[DiscipulusArmorum]

Bicyclist crashed into side of vehicle (apparently due to his own disregard for traffic/pedestrian signals), got angry at driver and decided to start hitting driver through open window. Driver used his lawfully owned and carried pistol to shoot the attacking bicyclist once in the chest. The bicyclist is still alive in "critical condition."

Story from Detroit (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Bicyclist-shot-after-colliding-with-pickup-truck-at-Telegraph-Northline-roads-in-Taylor/-/1719418/16418434/-/asi9ddz/-/index.html)

[zacbol]

Half a mile from my office:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/shooting-reported-downtown-seattle/nSHML/

Video footage as events unfolded:
http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/raw-complete-raw-video-as-event-unfolded/vfBXR/

[MangPol]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/ed_bar_88/425831_4699093599612_894330963_n.jpg

http://www.visayandailystar.com/2012/September/22/topstory6.htm

[High Country]

This would be terrible:


http://news.yahoo.com/conn-man-kills-masked-teen-learns-son-063653076.html

[Zhurdan]

Can't be certain, but I think Fox News just aired a suicide live on TV. I was listening to it on XM radio and Sheppard was on the air talking about a car jacking crook who drove out into the middle of no where in California, pulled over, got out. Shep started saying he didn't like where this was going, then started saying "get off of it" to the studio crew. Then dead air. He later came back on and apologized for what was aired.

I imagine there will be a hefty fine for that. They were even on a 5 second delay, but they didn't get it shut off in time apparently.

[Sparks2112]

Can't be certain, but I think Fox News just aired a suicide live on TV. I was listening to it on XM radio and Sheppard was on the air talking about a car jacking crook who drove out into the middle of no where in California, pulled over, got out. Shep started saying he didn't like where this was going, then started saying "get off of it" to the studio crew. Then dead air. He later came back on and apologized for what was aired.

I imagine there will be a hefty fine for that. They were even on a 5 second delay, but they didn't get it shut off in time apparently.

I just watched it. And they sure did.

[jon volk]

http://m.jsonline.com/news/crime/teen-charged-in-death-of-robbery-accomplice-by-intended-victim-vl7cba9-176048841.html

[butler coach]

just saw this on the news today.

http://www.wfmj.com/story/20048200/sharon-man-shoots-intruder

[EMC]

just saw this on the news today.

http://www.wfmj.com/story/20048200/sharon-man-shoots-intruder

A shot to the groin! Ouch.

[BaiHu]

attempted robbery at an ATM:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235281/Would-robber-shot-dead-man-tried-stick-ATM-knife.html

[NickA]

Not a shooting incident, but maybe a reminder that shooting isn't always necessary. And another don't-mess-with-old-guys story :D
http://www.kens5.com/news/texas-news/182104451.html

ETA: better article with more info:
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/retired-cowboy-calmly-knocks-disarms-gun-packing-intruder-article-1.1214034?localLinksEnabled=false

Gotta love a throat-punching former rodeo cowboy.

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[EMC]

Man shot 7 times survives, shooter died at the hands of 2 armed citizens. Good outcome.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/01/13/kaysville-man-who-survived-7-bullets-credits-god-police-and-2-armed-citizens

[NickA]

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10698919
Man uses 13 shots to stop car burglary, one suspect dead, one critical.

[NETim]

he did violate Biden's First Rule of gunfighting, "Have a double barrel. (It's safer.)"

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2906900.shtml?cat=565

Thank God the Rochester man survived after being in such close proximity to a black rifle. :cool:

[Silvershadow]

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this. I am sure there is more to the story than is being reported. But they make it sound like some crazy old dude with a gun killed a guy. Which may be the case, but I hope not.

Source: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/man-69-accused-of-killing-man-who-went-to-wrong-ho/nT8xp/



By Christian Boone and Andria Simmons
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Two strikingly different portraits emerged Tuesday of the Lilburn resident charged with fatally shooting a 22-year-old who mistakenly pulled into his driveway.
According to his lawyer, Phillip Sailors was a frightened retiree who fired his .22 revolver at Rodrigo Diaz because he feared for his life.
But Diaz’s girlfriend painted a more menacing imagine of Sailors as a elderly vigilante who shot without asking questions. According to Angie Rebolledo, after he shot Diaz, the 69-year-old Vietnam vet pointed the gun at her.
The couple, accompanied by two other friends, had pulled into Sailors’ driveway by mistake, thinking it was the home of another friend. The group had planned to go ice skating.
Rebolledo, 17, was sitting next to her boyfriend in the front seat when he was struck in the side of the head. As she tended to Diaz, she said Sailors showed no remorse and offered no assistance.
“I want him to spend all his life in prison,” she said. “He is a crazy man.”
Sailors’ friends and family said instead that the retired BellSouth employee is a dedicated volunteer at his church and has been on mission trips to Panama and other Latin American countries.
Chris Anderson, pastor of Killian Hill Baptist Church in Lilburn, called Sailors “a good man who devoted his life to serving others, and his reputation in our community has been unblemished for over 40 years.”
Sailors and his wife, Brenda, were at their home on Hillcrest Road when they heard a “ruckus” in the driveway, said attorney Mike Puglise. A neighbor had recently been robbed and Sailors was wary when he spotted two people in his driveway getting into their car.
According to Puglise, Sailors grabbed his gun as he headed outside, firing a warning shot into the air. He said he fired at Diaz only after Diaz accelerated his car toward him.
“He thought he was going to get run down,” the lawyer said.
But the police report indicates that the vehicle was leaving Sailors’ property when Diaz was shot. Lilburn police said they found his red Mitsubishi at the end of the driveway. Diaz was slumped over the steering wheel, blood covering his face and, the incident report states, struggling to breathe.
The Colombia native who attended Gwinnett Tech and worked at his brother’s cargo shipping business was pronounced dead the following morning from a single bullet that entered the left side of his head and fragmented, causing severe brain damage.
Rebolledo said she was in love with Diaz, her boyfriend of seven months. Her father, Gregory Rebolledo, said Diaz was more responsible than most his age, eschewing gangs and partying and rarely drinking alcohol.
‘It is too sad,” Angie Rebolledo said. “He had only 22 years.”
His accused shooter remains in Gwinnett County jail, charged with malice murder.
Gwinnett District Attorney Danny Porter said he knows little about the facts of this case but said, if deadly forced is used to protect yourself or your home “there has to be some reasonable belief that you’re about to suffer death or great bodily injury to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
“A lot of it’s going to depend on what happened out there,” Porter said. “I know 911 was called. But I don’t know who called it, or when.”
Lilburn Police Chief Bruce Hedley said two calls were placed to 911, one from a passenger in Diaz’s car and another from a neighbor who said they heard gunshots and screams.
Hedley said claims of heavy gang activity in the area are false.
“There’s a sampling of crime in their neighborhood, but no more than anywhere else,” he said.
Sailors declined, through his attorney, to speak with police Sunday morning. Puglise dismissed suggestions by some who’ve followed the case that Diaz’s race may have been a factor.
“[This was] not a question of color, not a question of race, this is a question of a tragic event dictated by fear,” he said.
Puglise said the Sailors family is grief-stricken and is lifting the family of Diaz up in prayer.

[TCinVA]

News reports often leave out very important details.

I'm reminded of a story out of Chesapeake that covered a happy, smiling, outgoing 14 year old boy who was "gunned down". The story went on talking to his family, classmates, and teachers all expressing disbelief that anyone would want to hurt such a lovely young person.

In the last line of the story it mentioned that he was found dead at an ATM, and that a rifle was recovered on scene with his fingerprints on it. Translation: Smiley tried to rob somebody with a gun at an ATM. His intended victim had a CCW license and shot the little sociopath in self defense.

So it's entirely possible that this story is a bunch of nonsense and that the "we were just trying to turn around!!" is a cockamamie attempt at covering criminal intentions. It's also entirely possible that the guy really was a complete moron who had spent too much time listening to the sort of idiot who goes on youtube and tells people to kill anyone on their property and bury the body instead of calling the cops (...and no, sadly I'm not making that up) and thought he really could kill somebody just because of what they might be up to.

Some weeks ago an old guy murdered a couple of home intruders in a rather grizzly fashion apparently just because he could. As an example of how this guy behaved, when the young woman of the duo entered the area the old guy was in, he emptied his revolver into her. Then he dragged her, still alive, to a more convenient location, reloaded his .22 revolver, stuck it under her chin and then emptied the cylinder in her head.

[Silvershadow]

News reports often leave out very important details.

I'm reminded of a story out of Chesapeake that covered a happy, smiling, outgoing 14 year old boy who was "gunned down". The story went on talking to his family, classmates, and teachers all expressing disbelief that anyone would want to hurt such a lovely young person.

In the last line of the story it mentioned that he was found dead at an ATM, and that a rifle was recovered on scene with his fingerprints on it. Translation: Smiley tried to rob somebody with a gun at an ATM. His intended victim had a CCW license and shot the little sociopath in self defense.

So it's entirely possible that this story is a bunch of nonsense and that the "we were just trying to turn around!!" is a cockamamie attempt at covering criminal intentions. It's also entirely possible that the guy really was a complete moron who had spent too much time listening to the sort of idiot who goes on youtube and tells people to kill anyone on their property and bury the body instead of calling the cops (...and no, sadly I'm not making that up) and thought he really could kill somebody just because of what they might be up to.

Some weeks ago an old guy murdered a couple of home intruders in a rather grizzly fashion apparently just because he could. As an example of how this guy behaved, when the young woman of the duo entered the area the old guy was in, he emptied his revolver into her. Then he dragged her, still alive, to a more convenient location, reloaded his .22 revolver, stuck it under her chin and then emptied the cylinder in her head.

It is possible and I hope that ends up being the case rather than the guy just being a moron......the other story....dang....thats a rather gruesome story.....I assume he went to jail for excessive force?

[TCinVA]

I assume he went to jail for excessive force?

I believe he was charged with second degree murder.

[NickA]

It is possible and I hope that ends up being the case rather than the guy just being a moron......the other story....dang....thats a rather gruesome story.....I assume he went to jail for excessive force?

Here's a thread with some links on the Minnesota case from a while back:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?t=6108
Haven't looked for updates.

[Shellback]

4 shot this morning in Phoenix. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-phoenix-workplace-shooting-20130130,0,5400504.story

[tmoore912]

http://pjmedia.com/blog/carrying-a-gun-saved-my-life-meet-ryan-moore/?singlepage=true

This is an interview of a guy on our state firearms forum that used a gun to protect himself in a Ingles parking lot in 2010.


What happened that night at the Ingles (grocery store) parking lot?

I had parked near the front of the store. A man approached as I was about to get out, asking if I had some spare money he could use for gas. After replying I didn’t have any cash, he proceeded to walk away. As I was watching him leave, I then stepped out of the vehicle and was grabbed from behind by a man who put a knife to my neck. The first man then came back and demanded my keys and wallet.

[Tamara]

4 shot this morning in Phoenix. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-phoenix-workplace-shooting-20130130,0,5400504.story

Ironic that the Chicago Tribune even noticed that. "Three Shot And Wounded" is what they call "Thursday Afternoon" in Chicago.

[Kyle Reese]

Ironic that the Chicago Tribune even noticed that. "Three Shot And Wounded" is what they call "Thursday Afternoon" in Chicago.

How is that possible? Doesn't Chicago have laws to prevent these senseless shootings? :rolleyes:

[NETim]

Lewis County Sheriff Steve Mansfield said he was happy the homeowner was prepared to protect his family with a gun.

“Our response times are as fast as we can make them but there may be a time when you are by yourself and you are forced to make a life or death decision to protect yourself and your family, like this man did,” Mansfield said in a statement.

The Lewis County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the incident.

Read more: http://q13fox.com/2013/02/10/lewis-county-sheriff-man-protected-himself-family-by-shooting-intruder/#ixzz2KYlfzC5S
Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/02/10/lewis-county-sheriff-man-protected-himself-family-by-shooting-intruder/#K46SYCrHR47uiLUY.99

[Shellback]

VA - 2 out of 3 ain't bad (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/18/guess-the-ending-trio-of-suspected-armed-robbers-tries-violently-breaking-into-home-of-dad-and-his-2-year-old-son-and/).

[Shellback]

Security dude uses an AR-15 variant to fight off 2 baddies. Video here (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/16/surveillance-camera-captures-the-dramatic-moment-a-security-guard-used-an-ar-15-to-fend-off-armed-holdup/comment-page-2/?corder=desc#comments).

[NETim]

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/police-pizza-delivery-person-shot-teenager-during-attempted-robbery

[rudy99]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/23/mit-campus-on-lockdown-after-report-gunman/


The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is on lockdown after local police received a report that a person with a long rifle and body armor is on campus.
In a statement posted on the school's website, students and workers were urged to stay indoors and report any suspicious activity to campus police. MIT said multiple law enforcement agencies have responded.
The Cambridge Police Department wrote on Twitter that police searched the building where the gunman was reportedly spotted, but found nothing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/23/mit-lockdown-armed-gunman/1940871/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/mit-gunman_n_2748579.html
https://twitter.com/search?q=MIT%20Gunman&src=typd

Edit: this appears to have been a hoax.

[RoyGBiv]

http://fox4kc.com/2013/03/04/man-charged-in-attempted-trimble-bank-robbery-chase/

Summary: Guy tries to rob bank with toy gun. Chases female teller while pointing said gun. Gets shot in the face by another teller with real gun.

[Bigguy]

http://fox4kc.com/2013/03/04/man-charged-in-attempted-trimble-bank-robbery-chase/

Summary: Guy tries to rob bank with toy gun. Chases female teller while pointing said gun. Gets shot in the face by another teller with real gun.

"The man had left a sizable trail of blood for about 150-200 feet that led to a handicapped parking space in the nearby building’s parking lot."

I know in the grand scheme of the robbery this is a small detail, but it also speaks volumes about this guy's civic philosophy.

[MDS]

"The man had left a sizable trail of blood for about 150-200 feet that led to a handicapped parking space in the nearby building’s parking lot."

I know in the grand scheme of the robbery this is a small detail, but it also speaks volumes about this guy's civic philosophy.

How do you know he didn't have a legitimate disability? Just because he robs people doesn't mean he hates cripples!

[Bigguy]

How do you know he didn't have a legitimate disability? Just because he robs people doesn't mean he hates cripples!
;) You're right. I was just doing that ass-uming thing.
But that does send my little brain bouncing off on a tangent. I don't, off the top of my head, recall any incidents of robberies or assaults by an assailant with a physical disability. I'm sure it must have happened sometime in the history of the world. I wonder what the percentages are of able-bodied vs disabled assailants.

This is the closest I've ever come. Blog - Parking Wars (http://www.texarkanagazette.com/Bikers-Blog/2011/07/11/parking-wars/)

[RoyGBiv]

http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-boy-uses-handgun-to-stop-murder-plot-after-mother-and-sister-are-raped


It has been argued that homes with children are no place for firearms, much less that children should be taught how to use them. However, perhaps the mere idea of a young boy listening to the screams of his mother and sister as they are brutally and violently raped may change ones opinion on a person’s right to self-defense

[JHC]

Vet with a gun comes to the defense of a third party and saves the day. http://fox6now.com/2013/03/12/marine-with-concealed-carry-permit-stops-man-from-beating-woman/

[Kyle Reese]

Vet with a gun comes to the defense of a third party and saves the day. http://fox6now.com/2013/03/12/marine-with-concealed-carry-permit-stops-man-from-beating-woman/

Outstanding story!

[TGS]

Way to go, Blackmore!

[JHC]

Way to go, Blackmore!

Marine! :cool:

[JConn]

Obviously riddled with ptsd and unable to have weapons............... :banghead:

[Shellback]

Great job Marine!

[NickA]

Two Oklahoma teens run away with a truck full of guns, shot dead (or possibly suicided) in confrontation with TX homeowner during break in:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/texas/article/Okla-teens-shot-in-attempted-Texas-home-invasion-4372167.php

Who knows what they were planning, but it's not hard to believe a bigger tragedy down the road may have been averted here.

[TAZ]

Two Oklahoma teens run away with a truck full of guns, shot dead (or possibly suicided) in confrontation with TX homeowner during break in:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/texas/article/Okla-teens-shot-in-attempted-Texas-home-invasion-4372167.php

Who knows what they were planning, but it's not hard to believe a bigger tragedy down the road may have been averted here.

The picture of the missing kid is eeeeerily similar to Adam Lanza.

[KeeFus]

...The men ransacked the house, and when they opened the closet door, she fired at them, Griffin said. One man was struck, authorities said...

http://www.wral.com/woman-shoots-two-intruders-at-elm-city-home/12256152/

[NETim]

OREGON CITY, Ore. – A man who police said grabbed a 22-year-old woman by her hair and assaulted her Sunday night got quite a surprise when she pulled out her handgun to defend herself.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Woman-22-fends-off-attacker-with-handgun-200921511.html

[Corlissimo]

OREGON CITY, Ore. – A man who police said grabbed a 22-year-old woman by her hair and assaulted her Sunday night got quite a surprise when she pulled out her handgun to defend herself.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Woman-22-fends-off-attacker-with-handgun-200921511.html

She did an awesome job not becoming a victim even when she was caught by surprise. The only problem I have with this report is that she didn't "tag" the offender for the police, and the community.


~ Typos brought to you by my laziness & in attention to detail.

[Shellback]

2 for 4 - http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9062720

[Bigguy]

OREGON CITY, Ore. – A man who police said grabbed a 22-year-old woman by her hair and assaulted her Sunday night got quite a surprise when she pulled out her handgun to defend herself.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Woman-22-fends-off-attacker-with-handgun-200921511.html
Must be an erroneous report. I have it on good authority that if a woman tries to defend herself with a hand gun durring an attack, it will be taken away from her buy the assailant and used against her.

[Kyle Reese]

Must be an erroneous report. I have it on good authority that if a woman tries to defend herself with a hand gun durring an attack, it will be taken away from her buy the assailant and used against her.

She should have used a double barreled shotgun and fired twice into the air, right? :o

[mnealtx]

Must be an erroneous report. I have it on good authority that if a woman tries to defend herself with a hand gun durring an attack, it will be taken away from her buy the assailant and used against her.

Of course....but Easy-Off oven cleaner works every time! </sarc>

[zacbol]

A shooting that left five people dead at a Federal Way apartment complex Sunday started as a case of domestic violence, police said Monday. It ended with a woman the suspect was living with and three innocent bystanders dead before police shot and killed the suspect.
...
"He shot the door, kicked in the door and that's when I heard the gun blasts,” said Ronald Brown, who told his 4-year-old son to get in the bathtub of their nearby apartment.

He too had seen the shootings in the parking lot and feared he might be next.

"I looked through the peek hole. I could see he was still coming up stairs. I didn't know if he was going to kick in some more doors. I was scared at that point. I didn't know what was going to happen,” he said.


http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-5-dead-in-shooting-in-Federal-Way-204044421.html

[RoyGBiv]

Man turns table on criminal (http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/22212722/man-turns-table-on-criminal-puts-him-on-the-run)


According to (the victim), as he was getting into his car, the man came up a third time, held the door open and put a gun to his face. (the victim) said the man demanded money.

"I am fighting him off. I heard the click and it gave me time,"

[KeeFus]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/stunning-just-released-footage-of-wild-shootout-that-left-gunman-dead-and-a-police-officer-wounded-warning-graphic/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9XHeztfa8

[shootist26]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/stunning-just-released-footage-of-wild-shootout-that-left-gunman-dead-and-a-police-officer-wounded-warning-graphic/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9XHeztfa8

Further proof that people don't die like in video games. Looks like that dude took a solid hit to the chest area as shown by that bloody area on his back (in addition to several other hits on his torso), and yet stayed in the fight for quite a while.

But law abiding citizens should be restricted to 7 bullets!

[Red Leader]

Further proof that people don't die like in video games. Looks like that dude took a solid hit to the chest area as shown by that bloody area on his back (in addition to several other hits on his torso), and yet stayed in the fight for quite a while.

But law abiding citizens should be restricted to 7 bullets!

Just saw this. First thoughts I had were...wow, anything can happen. There is just no way to predict how things will go down. Second...like the poster above references, a mag dump would be the instant adrenal response, I think. I didn't hear any sound on the video, but I imagine a LOT of rounds were being fired in that short time. I would want a LOT more than 7 rounds. I guess the recent (NY) law gives a lot more ironic meaning to 'NY reload'.

In studying what happened, that police officer on the far right (or left, depending on video. The guy near the suv) looks like he is trying to decide between firing and escaping at the same time...He fires multiple times, but then starts to back up and hightail it out there it the middle of firing back. It makes me wonder just how will the brain decide what to do in those situations?

[idahojess]

Here's an interesting one. Probably, if nothing else, lesson from this would be to clearly tell someone to stop, back off, get away, etc.
Not "Hey, you're on my property."
Another easy "avoidance" lesson would be not to hang around drunk dudes that are fighting with one another.

However, the fact the victim appeared to be belligerently drunk may ultimately be an issue, as well. . .

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2013/05/15/3010900/wwu-teaching-assistant-charged.html#wgt=rcntnews

It will be interesting to see how this ends up. Lousy situation.

[Red Leader]

Here is a link to a video (apologies if this one has been posted before - I hadn't seen it yet):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=126062250926661

This one is pretty crazy. Looks like the guy in the vehicle may have been kicking? I think I saw a shoe/foot. Biggest questions for me on this one are a) how was he fending off the attacker (who had a drawn weapon) and how did that happen vs the immediate 'I give in' (perhaps just immediate adrenaline reaction?) and b) where was his firearm that he was able to access it so quickly? On his person? In the dash? In the glove box?

The actual 'meat' of the exchange takes only about 5 seconds...incredibly fast.

[RoyGBiv]

Here is a link to a video (apologies if this one has been posted before - I hadn't seen it yet):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=126062250926661

This one is pretty crazy. Looks like the guy in the vehicle may have been kicking? I think I saw a shoe/foot. Biggest questions for me on this one are a) how was he fending off the attacker (who had a drawn weapon) and how did that happen vs the immediate 'I give in' (perhaps just immediate adrenaline reaction?) and b) where was his firearm that he was able to access it so quickly? On his person? In the dash? In the glove box?

The actual 'meat' of the exchange takes only about 5 seconds...incredibly fast.

Facebook?

[BaiHu]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/nyregion/hofstra-student-killed-during-home-invasion.html?_r=0


A man with a ski mask forced his way into the home, where three women and a man were staying, the police said.

“The suspect let one of the female victims leave the home during the robbery and she immediately called 911,” said Deputy Inspector Kenneth Lack of the Nassau County Police Department.

He said the police were called at 2:29 a.m. and arrived soon after.

“Shortly after our arrival a shooting took place where the suspect is killed and one of the female victims are killed,” he said.

The police have not released the identity of the student, a 21-year-old junior, or the man who was killed.

[BaiHu]

Pretty fishy shooting here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325986/Wife-killed-shows-new-assault-rifle-husband-goes-shooting-head.html

[BoppaBear]

Pretty fishy shooting here

Definitely.

[Zhurdan]

Just Had A High speed chase And Shoot Out In Little Old Evanston Today. Details Still Pretty Light. More Info As I Get it.

(Sorry For The CAPS my Phone Is Doing Weird Stuff On This Forum.)

[Zhurdan]

Just Had A High speed chase And Shoot Out In Little Old Evanston Today. Details Still Pretty Light. More Info As I Get it.

(Sorry For The CAPS my Phone Is Doing Weird Stuff On This Forum.)

*UPDATE*

So weird. I was in that store less than an hour before this happened.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25244055

[BaiHu]

What a shame:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327463/Andrea-Rebello-Police-officer-shot-sorority-girl-21-dead-aiming-masked-intruder-inconsolable-slaying.html


The police officer who accidentally shot dead a 21-year-old sorority girl while taking aim at a masked intruder holding her hostage is 'inconsolable' over the death, police sources have said.
Nikolas Budimlic, 42, is 'torn up' after he killed Andrea Rebello while Walton Smith held a gun to her head following an early-morning break in on Friday, sources told the New York Post.
Budimlic, who is now on sick leave, is an eight-year NYPD veteran and has been with Nassau County police for 12 years. He has two young children of his own, including a daughter.
After responding to the break-in call at the home near Hofstra University, Uniondale at 2.20am on Friday, he confronted Smith and fired eight shots at him. One hit Rebello in the head, killing her.

[Sparks2112]

What a shame:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327463/Andrea-Rebello-Police-officer-shot-sorority-girl-21-dead-aiming-masked-intruder-inconsolable-slaying.html

I bet he doesn't survive this. :-/

[RoyGBiv]

This is probably the "safest" public place I know. Maybe I should post this in the "When to Carry" thread..
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Feds-Investigate-Possible-Cartel-Connections-in-Southlake-Shooting-208627701.html


federal agents are investigating possible drug cartel connections to a Wednesday shooting at Southlake Town Center.

Officials say a masked gunman shot and killed a 43-year-old Southlake man in the parking lot of the affluent city's town center in what appeared to be a targeted attack.

ETA: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Southlake-Murder-Victim-Was-Drug-Cartel-Attorney-208701151.html

The man gunned down execution-style at the Southlake Town Center Wednesday was an attorney linked to a major Mexican drug cartel

Somebody really should move this thread to Romper Room since that's where I always go looking for it.. ;-)

[RoyGBiv]

A 9-year-old boy fought back against two robbers who broke into his family's home in Brooklyn Monday, slamming a bedroom door against one suspect's arm so hard that the loaded gun he was holding fell to the floor, police said.

The boy then picked up the weapon and fired shots, scaring off the would-be robbers. (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52090408#)

[BaiHu]

Hope it only had 7 rounds or those criminals will be in really bad shape when/if they ever catch them :rolleyes:

[BaiHu]

Feel good news of the day:


FORT WAYNE, Ind. (AP) — Fort Wayne police say a man fatally shot a man who tried to rob him outside his home.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/03/two-would-be-robbers-no-match-for-homeowner-and-his-gun/

[RoyGBiv]

Some good news from New Jersey

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/business-owner-pulls-own-gun-kills-robber-in-newark/


NEWARK, N.J. (CBSNewYork) — A business owner shot and killed a robber Monday in Newark.

"no charges were immediately filed"..... we are waiting for the court of public opinion to weigh in before deciding http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Bigguy]

Check out the "revolver," that ABC reported an ex police officer used to kill his wife.

http://www.guywheatley.com/photos/PoliceRevolver.jpg (http://abcnews.go.com/US/extramarital-affairs-center-stage-cop-murder-trial/story?id=19490180#.UcsAhT5gaxQ)

Ex-Cop Accused of Wife's Murder: 911 Call Played in Court
(http://abcnews.go.com/US/extramarital-affairs-center-stage-cop-murder-trial/story?id=19490180#.UcsAhT5gaxQ)

[Tamara]

Check out the "revolver," that ABC reported an ex police officer used to kill his wife.

"Police revolver" and "service revolver" have somehow lodged themselves in the journalistic lexicon. They've been using them to refer to bottom-feeders for a hundred and thirteen years now; I don't hold out any hope for them stopping in my lifetime.

[TR675]

If you believe that living in a gun-friendly state is somehow proof against being charged or convicted of a crime in a claimed self-defense incident, think again. According to this article, (http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/06/27/4968793/man-who-claimed-self-defense-in.html) the defendant had repeated encounters with his neighbor about the neighbor's unleashed dogs, believed that the neighbor was involved with drugs as a dealer and called the cops on him at least once, and believed that the neighbor carried a pistol on him at all times, including the day of the incident. On that day, the neighbor's dog ran into the defendant's home; the neighbor followed the dog inside without permission. Defendant ordered the neighbor out of the home, and the neighbor left.

Defendant testified that the neighbor then came back and "jumped out at him" from behind some bushes, putting him in fear for his life. Defendant shot the neighbor 9 times. At the trial, the prosecutor asked why he did not retreat. Note that in Texas there is generally no duty to retreat. Defendant was convicted of murder. No word on whether the neighbor ever actually had a gun or even owned one.

There are obviously a lot of variables that we have no access to in this case, legal and factual. Defendant may well have believed his life was in danger, but ultimately the responding officers, prosecutor, and jurors did not believe that his fear was reasonable. There may have been some bad lawyering involved, too. In any event, this case should be a reminder that living in a self-defense and generally "gun friendly" state doesn't mean that a shooter with a facially valid self-defense claim is automatically entitled to a win at the trial level.

On a related but slightly off-topic note, I was a spectator at a similar murder trial in rural East Texas where a property dispute turned into a gunfight. The prosecutor in that case, a colleague of mine, used the fact that the defendant used a "high-powered rifle" - actually a .22 LR with some tacticool add-ons, IIRC, to argue malicious intent on the defendant's part. I know of a similar ambiguous self-defense shooting/murder trial out of Houston where the fact that the defendant used an AK was used to paint a picture of him as a bad guy with malicious intent. Although both of those cases ended in verdicts for the defense, it should give pause to anyone believing that a "good shoot is a good shoot." I cannot say what weight 12 average jurors would give to the equipment used in an ambiguous self-defense shoot, but I do not find it hard to imagine that in the eyes of a jury there might not be a dispositive difference between someone using their grand-dad's duck gun to defend himself vs. a suppressed SBR...

[BaiHu]

Texas dad saves his family:


A Texas dad fought back against three home intruders on Sunday after they broke into his Houston apartment, demanded money and showed a gun.

The protective father and husband, identified as Javier Ortiz, then pulled his own firearm and shot two of the suspected burglars to death, police said. The third suspect ran for his life.

Ortiz’s wife, Lila Pena, said the three men broke into their home and demanded, “the money, the money.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/01/dont-mess-with-a-mans-family-armed-texas-dad-takes-on-three-home-intruders/

[RoyGBiv]

This guy was arrested for bringing his loaded finger into a movie theater... (http://www.ksat.com/news/man-arrested-for-scaring-texas-moviegoers/-/478452/20914784/-/el8uiiz/-/index.html)

Seems paranoia is everywhere... I thought those A&M folks were hardier than this.

Unfortunate mug shot... Take away the "why-am-i-here" expression and he looks like a good old local guy.
http://www.ksat.com/image/view/-/20912630/highRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/r6wu7i/-/darrell-reynolds.jpg

[NETim]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/waffle-house-patron-opens-fire-robber-19800334?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defensivecarry.com%2 Fforum%2Fnews-good-bad-ugly%2F172727-good-bad-waffle-house-2-00-am.html

[Tamara]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/waffle-house-patron-opens-fire-robber-19800334?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defensivecarry.com%2 Fforum%2Fnews-good-bad-ugly%2F172727-good-bad-waffle-house-2-00-am.html

Good thing the customer ignored the Luftwaffle Haus's prominently-posted "No Weapons Allowed" policy.

[Sparks2112]

Good thing the customer ignored the Luftwaffle Haus's prominently-posted "No Weapons Allowed" policy.

Not all the ones I've been to are posted.


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[Tamara]

Not all the ones I've been to are posted.


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Not necessarily talking about a sign on the door. Look up over the grill area, where they have that long row of corporate mission statement signs and things about how many miles of bacon they serve every year. You'll see it there. There should also be a yellow sign on the building exterior prohibiting firearms on the premises.

I love Waffle House, and their corporate policy pains me. I used to look forward to at least one order of hash browns scattered, smothered, covered, peppered, and cooked crispy every time I went down to Knoxville, but since the Volunteer State has seen fit to make it a crime to tote in a no totin' zone, Waffle House is now legally off limits for me.

[Sparks2112]

Not necessarily talking about a sign on the door. Look up over the grill area, where they have that long row of corporate mission statement signs and things about how many miles of bacon they serve every year. You'll see it there. There should also be a yellow sign on the building exterior prohibiting firearms on the premises.

I love Waffle House, and their corporate policy pains me. I used to look forward to at least one order of hash browns scattered, smothered, covered, peppered, and cooked crispy every time I went down to Knoxville, but since the Volunteer State has seen fit to make it a crime to tote in a no totin' zone, Waffle House is now legally off limits for me.

If they don't put it on the door in Ohio they're not properly posted = I didn't see it = too bad for them. ::shrug::

[Corlissimo]

If they don't put it on the door in Ohio they're not properly posted = I didn't see it = too bad for them. ::shrug::

Same with the ones in NC. If it isn't on every exterior door, in the format designated by the state, then the only way there's an issue with carrying on premises is if you're discovered, asked to leave, and don't. Then you're trespassing. End of story.

Typos brought to you by my DROID... and my apathy.

[Tamara]

If they don't put it on the door in Ohio they're not properly posted = I didn't see it = too bad for them. ::shrug::

Right. All I'd said was "Good thing the customer ignored the Luftwaffle Haus's prominently-posted "No Weapons Allowed" policy."

I still think it was a good thing he did, don't you?


Same with the ones in NC. If it isn't on every exterior door, in the format designated by the state...

FWIW, a 'no guns allowed' sign of any type, size, wording, or location has no more legal weight in Indiana than a candy bar wrapper, but the nearest Awful Waffle is clear across town here. :(

[Corlissimo]

FWIW, a 'no guns allowed' sign of any type, size, wording, or location has no more legal weight in Indiana than a candy bar wrapper, but the nearest Awful Waffle is clear across town here. :(

That's a shame. I always enjoy catching dinner and a show at the local WH. An inexpensive evening with lots of entertainment value. (see link below for an example) :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dya0UU0meD4&feature=youtube_gdata_player



Typos brought to you by my DROID... and my apathy.

[Tamara]

That's a shame. I always enjoy catching dinner and a show at the local WH. An inexpensive evening with lots of entertainment value. (see link below for an example) :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dya0UU0meD4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wow, he was there that night, too? Awesome song! :D

(Totally blogged that.)

[RoyGBiv]

Unfortunately Colt Ford didn't do an official video for this one...

"I know the waitress and the cook and they don't care if we drink"...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ2nTxFp80E

Better sound track here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_KT-SmNuNc

[Shellback]

ATL - CCW guy smokes the bad dude at the Waffle House (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-would-be-waffle-house-bandit-shot-by-custom/nY6ny/). No citizens hurt in the process, including an off duty police officer.

“Nobody move and open the cash register,” Macafee allegedly said.

After his demand, Macafee pointed a gun at a man seated at a booth, according to police. That man, off-duty Atlanta police Officer Jonathan Sutton, couldn’t reach for his service weapon.

But the man seated next to Sutton, an off-duty security guard, fired two shots, police said. The security guard, identified as Evans Chad Pollard, shot Macafee.
“I felt that not only my life, but everyone’s life was in danger, so I had to do what I had to do,” Pollard said Monday afternoon.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Q8/waffle-house-lg.jpg

[Tamara]

ATL - CCW guy smokes the bad dude at the Waffle House (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-would-be-waffle-house-bandit-shot-by-custom/nY6ny/). No citizens hurt in the process, including an off duty police officer.

Check the last half-dozen or so posts. ;)

[Shellback]

Check the last half-dozen or so posts. ;)

I'm a lil' slow... :p

[NEPAKevin]

Three dead after shooting in Poconos (http://wnep.com/2013/08/05/officials-gunman-opens-fire-during-municipal-meeting-leaves-at-least-2-dead/)

[NEPAKevin]

Shooter's Facebook Page (https://www.facebook.com/rockne1865?ref=ts&fref=ts)

Don't suppose the main stream media will pick up on the shooter being an Obama supporter

[RoyGBiv]

Woman opens fire on group of robbers at Denny's (http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-opens-fire-on-group-of-robbers-at-dennys/-/1735978/21394538/-/3f3c2c/-/index.html)

The video is notable for images of the collateral damage to cars in the parking lot.


"She said she came out of the restroom and saw my brother on the floor. That's when she started doing what she gotta do. She got a license and she'll do anything to protect her kids and my brother," he said.

[KeeFus]

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-police-investigate-shooting-death/12761731/

The resident told a dispatcher in his call to 911 that a man broke into his apartment and held a handgun to his face. The tenant was then able to get his own gun and shoot the intruder.

[RoyGBiv]

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-police-investigate-shooting-death/12761731/

The resident told a dispatcher in his call to 911 that a man broke into his apartment and held a handgun to his face. The tenant was then able to get his own gun and shoot the intruder.

Im betting the real story is more complicated.
Just a hunch.

[KeeFus]

Im betting the real story is more complicated.
Just a hunch.

Yeap...

[RoyGBiv]

Ok.. not a shooting incident... but here it is..

Knife-wielding burglar bruised and battered by 72-year-old retired boxer (http://www.guns.com/2013/08/09/knife-wielding-burglar-bruised-and-battered-by-72-year-old-retired-boxer/)

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/corti-posing-236x300.jpg http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/punk-kid-e1376083223976.jpg

[BaiHu]

That warms the cockles of my heart...wherever they might be.

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[BaiHu]

Another armed citizen fights back:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-opens-fire-on-group-of-robbers-at-dennys/-/1735978/21394538/-/3f3c2c/-/index.html


His brother's wife was in the restroom at the time, but when she exited the restroom she saw the group of suspected robbers. Police said that's when she pulled out her gun and shot at them.

"She said she came out of the restroom and saw my brother on the floor. That's when she started doing what she gotta do. She got a license and she'll do anything to protect her kids and my brother," he said.

[ford.304]

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/19/what_i_learned_from_getting_shot/

Journalist nearly gets killed, decides he's still ok with relying on luck to see him through in the future. Wonderful example of the opposite of mindset.

Also a study of how not to handle a gunshot wound, although thankfully for him it didn't matter in the end and they were able to patch him up.

His point at the end about Bayesian inference (he doesn't call it that, but that's what it is) is true enough, though.

[Kyle Reese]

Ok.. not a shooting incident... but here it is..

Knife-wielding burglar bruised and battered by 72-year-old retired boxer (http://www.guns.com/2013/08/09/knife-wielding-burglar-bruised-and-battered-by-72-year-old-retired-boxer/)

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/corti-posing-236x300.jpg http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/punk-kid-e1376083223976.jpg

His street cred is in the negative.... Hope he has overdraft protection...

[JConn]

Teens Allegedly Killed Australian Baseball Player for Fun

http://www.wmal.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1376982303&article=4E21A660091911E386DEFEFDADE6840A&mode=2

Sorry if this was already here. My friends think I'm crazy for carrying when I run. I don't think carrying would of helped this guy but it just goes to show bad things can happen anytime.

[JV_]

Where was this latest school shooting? I heard it on the radio, but only caught part of it.

[JV_]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/official-suspect-custody-ga-school-20014048

[TR675]

Homeowner shoots and kills escaped convict. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/homeowner-shoots-escaped-prisoner-in-southwest-iowa/)

Before the convict was shot by the homeowner, he'd bushwhacked and shot a Sheriff's deputy, who then contacted an acute case of "look at all the kittens I don't give":


The Iowa Public Safety Department said [that Deputy Wyckoff] was shot in the chest and arm as he got out of his vehicle to talk to the man. Wyckoff sought cover nearby and the gunman jumped into the deputy's vehicle and took off. Another deputy soon arrived, the department said. He picked up Wyckoff and the two chased the stolen patrol vehicle. The chase wound through rural Taylor County for about 40 minutes, punctuated by exchanges of gunshots.

Tough guy.

[NETim]

http://www.guns.com/2013/08/20/man-beating-girlfriend-shot-and-killed-by-second-woman-who-intervenes-with-a-45/

[RoyGBiv]

http://www.guns.com/2013/08/20/man-beating-girlfriend-shot-and-killed-by-second-woman-who-intervenes-with-a-45/

Good outcome, bad reporting.... Poor choice of words... eh?


Detectives interviewed both women, as well as other witnesses, whose accounts of the incident all collaborated.

[RoyGBiv]

How about another non-shoot?

Would-be armed robber of Marionville liquor store ends up with a loaded gun in his face (http://www.news-leader.com/article/20130903/NEWS01/309030024/Marionville-liquor-store-attempted-robbery-clerk-gun-Beer-30)

Caption: "Suck THIS dirtbag"
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4618/bkai.jpg

[KeeFus]

Video of vehicle chase/OIS shooting from here in July. Suspect had already robbed a store then stole (carjacked) the Jeep he's driving from someone at an adjacent car wash. The unmarked car you see pointing the Selma car to the suspect vehicle is a Trooper who has a drunk driver with him. He happened to see the vehicle after a BOLO while he was enroute to the jail.

While you cant see the actual shots the audio is revealing.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/12855604/#/vid12855604

[tmoore912]

After day-long search, suspected rapist Charlie Christopher 'Chris' Bates shot to death in shootout

Video of the car chase and shootout on the side of the rode.

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/after-day-long-search-suspected-rapist-charlie-christopher-chris-bates-shot-to-death-in-shootout#ixzz2e9CfOKgZ

[NickA]

After day-long search, suspected rapist Charlie Christopher 'Chris' Bates shot to death in shootout

Video of the car chase and shootout on the side of the rode.

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/after-day-long-search-suspected-rapist-charlie-christopher-chris-bates-shot-to-death-in-shootout#ixzz2e9CfOKgZ

That guy was on a serious spree, glad they got him before he hurt anyone else.
Interesting that the officers had a shield in the car with them, looked like just the right thing for approaching a maybe-not-quite-dead BG.

[Kyle Reese]

That guy was on a serious spree, glad they got him before he hurt anyone else.
Interesting that the officers had a shield in the car with them, looked like just the right thing for approaching a maybe-not-quite-dead BG.

One less mouth for the taxpayers to feed. Good shoot.

[Shellback]

Elderly, Disabled Woman Uses 9mm Glock to Fight Off Intruder High on Drugs. (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130904/NEWS/309040067/Woman-fires-3-times-at-female-intruder?gcheck=1)

A disabled 64-year-old woman, who says she just got her license to carry a concealed weapon in June to protect herself, repeatedly fired her gun at an intruder during an attempted home invasion robbery overnight, Middletown police said.....

“I can shoot good. If I’d a had my glasses on, I probably would have shot better,” said Mabel Fletcher. “But who thinks about putting on their glasses when they’re getting broken into?”

[Shellback]

Shotgun blasts were heard. (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/04/4456602/homeowner-fatally-shoots-man-who.html)

As his wife and 18-month-old baby stayed upstairs in their Kansas City, North, home, a man who heard noises in his garage early Wednesday ran downstairs with shotgun in hand. It was then that the homeowner came face to face with a stranger who apparently had kicked his way into the garage in the 9000 block of North Garfield Avenue. Police said the intruder had been busy, stealing and wrecking three vehicles in Clay County. Police said the homeowner shot and killed the intruder when the man reached into his pocket and the homeowner feared he was pulling a gun. Here, police gathered evidence from the garage in the Brooklyn Highlands subdivision.

He grabbed his shotgun, ran down the stairs and opened the door to the garage to investigate while his wife and 18-month-old baby stayed upstairs, according to neighbors and police.

He came face to face with a stranger who apparently had kicked his way through a pedestrian door into the garage in the 9000 block of North Garfield Avenue. The intruder lunged at him while holding a screwdriver and set of pliers.

The men fought over the shotgun and ended up grappling on the kitchen floor. At one point, the stranger pinned the homeowner on his back and tugged at the shotgun.....

[Shellback]

Home invader... smoked! (http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20130830/ESN01/308300016/home-invasion-virginia-second-amendment-gun-control?nclick_check=1)

A would-be robber was fatally shot Wednesday and an accomplice was hospitalized after a homeowner returned gunfire during a home invasion on Marsh Market Road in northwestern Accomack County.

It was the second time in the area this year in which the victim of a home-invasion robbery fired a shot at an armed intruder.

After being shot, the suspects fled the scene by car and went to a Corner Mart convenience store a few miles away in Temperanceville. When they arrived at the store, officers found a male suspect dead, along with a wounded female suspect who was transported by ambulance to the hospital.....

[BoppaBear]

From CBC News

Police in Charlotte, N.C., say four people were wounded after shots were fired during a Mothers of Murdered Offspring anti-violence rally anti-violence vigil on Thursday night.

The shooting was the latest rash of violence in North Carolina's largest city, which has seen five people shot to death in the past week.

At the vigil, supporters were calling attention to the death of a man who police say was fatally shot when he tried to rob a convenience store, The Charlotte Observer reported.

A statement from police said officers were called by someone at the vigil who said a person pulled out a gun and began firing at people.

Officers did not find anyone shot at the scene but learned that each victim had called for help from a different location after the crowd scattered.

Police have made no arrests in the case.

[1slow]

WTF why a rally to call attention and sympathy to the much deserved death of an armed robber ?

[Kyle Reese]

WTF why a rally to call attention and sympathy to the much deserved death of an armed robber ?

The guy was probably mindin' his business, and in the process of turning his life around. :rolleyes:

[RoyGBiv]

Robbery victim shoots attacker to death outside of McDonald's (http://www.click2houston.com/news/homicide-detectives-investigate-incident-at-local-mcdonalds/-/1735978/21876912/-/io93qt/-/index.html)

One dead, second (hit twice) in custody at hospital, third suspect known, but still at large.

In TX the two surviving assailants will likely be charged with murder for the death of the third assailant.
I like that logic.

[Gewehr3]

Indianapolis mom's quick thinking fends off carjackers

http://www.wthr.com/story/23352869/2013/09/05/indianapolis-moms-quick-thinking-fends-off-carjackers

[ACP230]

Just saw a story on TV headlined,
"Gunfire In Times Square!"

Turns out the NYPD was doing the shooting, although the suspect was thought to have a gun.

Two female bystanders hit, one in the knee, one grazed somewhere. No count of shots given in the story.
Suspect eventually tazered and swarmed.

I think the headline should have mentioned the police and possibly included the news that bystanders were hit in NY again.
That wouldn't fit the agenda too well, I guess.

[BaiHu]

Gun controlz iz for the safeteez of duh chirlren.

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[IceDevil]

Just saw a story on TV headlined,
"Gunfire In Times Square!"

Turns out the NYPD was doing the shooting, although the suspect was thought to have a gun.

Two female bystanders hit, one in the knee, one grazed somewhere. No count of shots given in the story.
Suspect eventually tazered and swarmed.

I think the headline should have mentioned the police and possibly included the news that bystanders were hit in NY again.
That wouldn't fit the agenda too well, I guess.

CNN reporting three shots fired by two officers. Two female bystanders hit in knee and buttocks with all mikes on the emotionally disturbed person running in front of traffic.

[Shellback]

Video of NYPD incident here: http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accidentally-shoot-two-bystanders-while-trying-to-subdue-man/