Am I the only Glock shooter that HATES a rolling break?

[Bere09]

Here's my dilemma. I have two Gen 5 17's that I ordered two TTI Grandmaster kits for. I installed them in each gun but the connectors looked a bit different. One had almost a matte coating with no symbol and one had a mirror finish with a long "minus" symbol on it. The matte finish blank connectors has an outstanding pull, it moves the break back in the pull and has a short reset, but is has a very slight but definite wall just before the break so I know where it's going to break every time. The polished "minus" TTI connector has a smooth rolling break where I can't tell as easily when it goes off when prepping and pressing on longer targets. I shoot MUCH better when I have a very slight wall just before the break because I can tell when the gun is going off. So I contact TTI (excellent customer service by the way) and they tell me that the connector I love is an old design and they don't have anymore. The polished connector with the dreaded rolling break is the new design!



So I have two questions.



1) After scouring the internet for a connector with similar characteristics and reading a lot of reviews, am I the only one that DOESN'T like a rolling break?



2) Anyone else have any ideas on a connector that moves the break back in the pull, has a short reset and a defined point, even if it's very light, where you can tell it's going to break?

[JHC]

I'm not sure I prefer a rolling break either. Then again, I'm not sure if the Gen 5 G19 I briefly owned or the 19X I shot a couple hundred rounds through are really rolling breaks or just "more" rolling. I didn't find them that different than any given Glock, since each Gen 3 or 4 is sorta unique in trigger feel within the broad range of Glock triggers. I'd say they were smoother with less little micro hitches but rolling? IDK. My senses are crude that way.

I tend to like the "wall" for slow fire and don't really notice it or have an issue with it in rapid strings.

[Bere09]

I'm not sure I prefer a rolling break either. Then again, I'm not sure if the Gen 5 G19 I briefly owned or the 19X I shot a couple hundred rounds through are really rolling breaks or just "more" rolling. I didn't find them that different than any given Glock, since each Gen 3 or 4 is sorta unique in trigger feel within the broad range of Glock triggers. I'd say they were smoother with less little micro hitches but rolling? IDK. My senses are crude that way.

I tend to like the "wall" for slow fire and don't really notice it or have an issue with it in rapid strings.

I actually like the stock "." connector quite a bit but the break and reset is a bit forward for my liking and slows me down on close range targets in a USPSA match. In looking at aftermarket connectors, most shorten reset, but they also tend to lean towards a rolling break as opposed to having a wall before the break.

I HATE the "-" connector. I feel like there is a wall, but then after pulling through the wall, the trigger feels like it slides a little bit before it breaks and I can't tell where in the pull the shot is going to be fired. This is fine for everything from 7-10 yards and in because I've taught myself to slap accurately at that range, but anything further or with no shoots I'll prep and press. This is where not knowing where it's going to break really effects my accuracy. I just need something, even if it's VERY light, that tells me it's about to break for my prep and press.

This is all nerdy USPSA trigger talk by the way. I have all of my defense Glocks completely stock.

[TCFD273]

I greatly prefer the Gen 5 “rolling” break to the Gen 4/3 trigger. I can consistently run sub 5 FAST drills with my all stock Gen 5 G19, and clean DOT torture out to 7yds with the “rolling” trigger.
Here’s dot torture from 5yds, I shot it yesterday.
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I came back to Glocks after running DA/SA guns for about a year and a half, so maybe that’s why I prefer the Gen 5. My advice would be, if you plan on sticking with Gen 5’s, run the stock trigger for a month and you’ll get used to it.

Edited to add-just read where you talked about USPSA. I found the OEM minus connector and a 5lb striker spring to be excellent in my Gen 5 34.

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[JHC]

I actually like the stock "." connector quite a bit but the break and reset is a bit forward for my liking and slows me down on close range targets in a USPSA match. In looking at aftermarket connectors, most shorten reset, but they also tend to lean towards a rolling break as opposed to having a wall before the break.

I HATE the "-" connector. I feel like there is a wall, but then after pulling through the wall, the trigger feels like it slides a little bit before it breaks and I can't tell where in the pull the shot is going to be fired. This is fine for everything from 7-10 yards and in because I've taught myself to slap accurately at that range, but anything further or with no shoots I'll prep and press. This is where not knowing where it's going to break really effects my accuracy. I just need something, even if it's VERY light, that tells me it's about to break for my prep and press.

This is all nerdy USPSA trigger talk by the way. I have all of my defense Glocks completely stock.

Ah there you go. The "dot" connector. When it came on the scene I heard all about it's rolling break. Many "dots" and many many rounds and I can't quite discern a "rolling". And I can't detect that motion after the shot you describe with a minus. I don't perceive that or over travel in anything else after the loud noise.

Makes me fairly easy to please I guess. ;)

[GJM]

I think a lot of the Glock trigger differences we feel in dry fire do not translate into meaningful differences in results when live firing.

[Clusterfrack]

I agree with GJM, but given the choice I’ll take a trigger with some smooth takeup and a crisp break, like my CZs have.

[TCFD273]

I think a lot of the Glock trigger differences we feel in dry fire do not translate into meaningful differences in results when live firing.

I agree except for 25-50yd bill drills or shooting B8’s. I find the rolling break easier to manage over previous generations wall.


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[TCFD273]

I agree with GJM, but given the choice I’ll take a trigger with some smooth takeup and a crisp break, like my CZs have.

That just goes to show everybody likes something different. Lol

My 1911’s are setup with a very small rolling break.


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[Bere09]

Ah there you go. The "dot" connector. When it came on the scene I heard all about it's rolling break. Many "dots" and many many rounds and I can't quite discern a "rolling". And I can't detect that motion after the shot you describe with a minus. I don't perceive that or over travel in anything else after the loud noise.

Makes me fairly easy to please I guess. ;)

You're a lucky man! Doing timed tests where distance is involved like distance change up, I see a significant difference in speed and accuracy with a defined wall as opposed to the rolling break. The wall is light enough that it doesn't hurt me when I'm Slappy McSlapperson from 7 yards and in and I gain a huge advantage with it.

The "." would work, but it's break is a little too far forward in the pull and I have to concentrate a little bit harder to get a straight back pull. The old TTI connector moves the break back in the pull, allowing me to get a straight back pull naturally and a shorter reset with a defined wall.

[LSP552]

There is so much difference between individual Glock triggers that I’m not sure it’s possible to even define rolling break. It’s all just varying degrees of OK, suck, suck less, kinda good. I’ve yet to handle two Glocks with the same trigger.

Yes they can be shot well. I tend to agree that the differences in Glock trigger characteristics don’t really translate to performance, at least for me.

It’s kinda sad that there is an entire generation that thinks good trigger and Glock belong in the same sentence.

[spinmove_]

There is so much difference between individual Glock triggers that I’m not sure it’s possible to even define rolling break. It’s all just varying degrees of OK, suck, suck less, kinda good. I’ve yet to handle two Glocks with the same trigger.

Yes they can be shot well. I tend to agree that the differences in Glock trigger characteristics don’t really translate to performance, at least for me.

It’s kinda sad that there is an entire generation that things good trigger and Glock belong in the same sentence.

From a mechanical standpoint, the Glock trigger mechanism is good because its simple and robust.

From a “actually shooting the gun” standpoint, it’s a garbage trigger compared to most other options that are worth it out there in 2018. You can do good work with a Glock, obviously, but you’re going to have to work for it and you’re probably not going to really like it all that much.


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[Peally]

Go shoot an HK45 DA and then tell me the Glock trigger sucks.

It's not amazing but it's at least a step above garbage.

[LSP552]

Go shoot an HK45 DA and then tell me the Glock trigger sucks.

It's not amazing but it's at least a step above garbage.

Nope, can’t do that. The 45C my stepson owned had the worst trigger I’ve felt in my life. It hd to be at least 15 lbs and full of sand. I consider myself a decent TDA and revolver shooter and it was truly unworkable.

[Trukinjp13]

Here's my dilemma. I have two Gen 5 17's that I ordered two TTI Grandmaster kits for. I installed them in each gun but the connectors looked a bit different. One had almost a matte coating with no symbol and one had a mirror finish with a long "minus" symbol on it. The matte finish blank connectors has an outstanding pull, it moves the break back in the pull and has a short reset, but is has a very slight but definite wall just before the break so I know where it's going to break every time. The polished "minus" TTI connector has a smooth rolling break where I can't tell as easily when it goes off when prepping and pressing on longer targets. I shoot MUCH better when I have a very slight wall just before the break because I can tell when the gun is going off. So I contact TTI (excellent customer service by the way) and they tell me that the connector I love is an old design and they don't have anymore. The polished connector with the dreaded rolling break is the new design!



So I have two questions.



1) After scouring the internet for a connector with similar characteristics and reading a lot of reviews, am I the only one that DOESN'T like a rolling break?



2) Anyone else have any ideas on a connector that moves the break back in the pull, has a short reset and a defined point, even if it's very light, where you can tell it's going to break?

My friend has the apex kit in his. Says it completely changed trigger feel because he hated the rolling style break of the gen 5.

[JHC]

There is so much difference between individual Glock triggers that I’m not sure it’s possible to even define rolling break. It’s all just varying degrees of OK, suck, suck less, kinda good. I’ve yet to handle two Glocks with the same trigger.



Hilarious!



For some years now I only buy from one local, well stocked LGS. My buds there will stack up all of a model they have in stock and I finger bang them all to pick MY Glock. Trigger and slide wiggle are my primary checks.


Which, off topic, is what is so weird with the 19X and really, most Gen 5s. Seems like less variability than I was accustomed to.

[ViniVidivici]

I like my Glocks these days with NY1 and "-" connectors, Lone Wolf or Ghost Rocket.

[JBP55]

I want a solid wall on the US border with Mexico but not on my Glocks.
I much prefer the Gen 5 Glock triggers over all previous Glocks.

[psalms144.1]

There is so much difference between individual Glock triggers that I’m not sure it’s possible to even define rolling break. It’s all just varying degrees of OK, suck, suck less, kinda good. I’ve yet to handle two Glocks with the same trigger.

It’s kinda sad that there is an entire generation that thinks good trigger and Glock belong in the same sentence.

I've noticed similar situations in many other makes and action types. For instance, at the local cop shop, they have two P320C 9mms on the shelf, both latest "fully upgraded" pistols. The trigger on one (the FDE version) FEELS great - smooth takeup, no grit, even release - almost 1911ish. The trigger in the black version has more take up that feels "spongier" then hits a MAJOR wall that requires a LOT of pressure to break through - feels like 8-10 pounds. Likewise DA/SA triggers on current Sigs and S&W revolvers vary a lot from specimen to specimen. To a lesser degree, if you're a trigger snob, you can definitely tell the difference between 1911 triggers - everywhere from heavenly to hi point quality...

And, couldn't agree more that it gives me a major sad that the standard GLOCK trigger is the new definition of "good," having grown up shooting GOOD 1911s and old school S&W revolvers... I think this is a product of current generation shooters thinking that being able to work it FAST (largely a result of the short reset) makes it GOOD...

[fixer]

Really don't like, borderline hate, the new Gen 5 trigger.

So much so that I'm evaluating other platforms and mostly using it as a reason to go all in on DA/SA.

[jellydonut]

That's so weird. I rented a gen 5 G19 and that sold me on it. I'm not a trigger snob but the trigger worked very well for me, certainly better than either the gen 3 G19, a factory Colt series 70 (?!), the VP9, PPQ, or P320..

I guess the PPQ was up there but the VP9 for some reason dug into my trigger finger and irritated it within just a couple mags.

[GJM]

I love the 19X, and feel it is the best “modern” pistol Glock has made. I am happy to switch to a 5.0 striker spring and otherwise leave the trigger alone.

I have been doing my best shooting ever with a Glock with Gen 3 models.

[Bucky]

Seems each of my Glocks have a different feel to them. Not sure which style I prefer more.

[Zman001]

I've never messed with ny1 springs or whatever, just what came standard from the factory.

Despite my preference towards the trigger on the 19x, i shoot nearly equally well with any glock I've shot. I really only seem to notice the trigger when i dry fire or reallly focus on it when shooting.

[M2CattleCo]

There is so much difference between individual Glock triggers that I’m not sure it’s possible to even define rolling break. It’s all just varying degrees of OK, suck, suck less, kinda good. I’ve yet to handle two Glocks with the same trigger.

Yes they can be shot well. I tend to agree that the differences in Glock trigger characteristics don’t really translate to performance, at least for me.

It’s kinda sad that there is an entire generation that thinks good trigger and Glock belong in the same sentence.


From a mechanical standpoint, the Glock trigger mechanism is good because its simple and robust.

From a “actually shooting the gun” standpoint, it’s a garbage trigger compared to most other options that are worth it out there in 2018. You can do good work with a Glock, obviously, but you’re going to have to work for it and you’re probably not going to really like it all that much.


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Pretty much all of this. I've always recommended people a different gun when they start talking about improving their Glock trigger. I've always found them very inconsistent and too many times they never break-in and get good. They get worse with wear and then you change the trigger bar and connector and get a different pull.

A Glock is staple gun that shoots bullets. A functional tool that does nothing with finesse.

[JBP55]

Pretty much all of this. I've always recommended people a different gun when they start talking about improving their Glock trigger. I've always found them very inconsistent and too many times they never break-in and get good. They get worse with wear and then you change the trigger bar and connector and get a different pull.

A Glock is staple gun that shoots bullets. A functional tool that does nothing with finesse.


I clean, lubricate and enhance my new Glocks prior to shooting.

[M2CattleCo]

I've seen too many problems with polished Glock FCG parts.

[psalms144.1]

I've seen too many problems with polished Glock FCG parts.Agreed - I've seen several GLOCKS go full auto after the "25 cent trigger job" was applied by someone too enthusiastic with the dremel... For me, at this point in my life, it's all stock on all serious carry pistols, less sights, and the occasional magazine release (lookin' at you, GLOCK). If your chosen pistol doesn't shoot well with factory components in factory condition, find something else! There are PLENTY of options out there...

[feudist]

Pretty much all of this. I've always recommended people a different gun when they start talking about improving their Glock trigger. I've always found them very inconsistent and too many times they never break-in and get good. They get worse with wear and then you change the trigger bar and connector and get a different pull.

A Glock is staple gun that shoots bullets. A functional tool that does nothing with finesse.

I thought hitting was the "finesse" part?

[Doc_Glock]

I have been doing my best shooting ever with a Glock with Gen 3 models.

Since I am a hardware geek, why the Gen 3 models instead of the Gen 5s?

[JBP55]

Agreed - I've seen several GLOCKS go full auto after the "25 cent trigger job" was applied by someone too enthusiastic with the dremel... For me, at this point in my life, it's all stock on all serious carry pistols, less sights, and the occasional magazine release (lookin' at you, GLOCK). If your chosen pistol doesn't shoot well with factory components in factory condition, find something else! There are PLENTY of options out there...

If you are not mechanically inclined or do not know what you are doing leave it alone.

[StraitR]

I don't dislike the previous gen Glock triggers, but I greatly prefer the new Gen 5 triggers. I believe the rolling break allows me to slap the trigger with a lower risk of a "snatch" result.

[GJM]

Here are my thoughts on the Glock. As I have long maintained, based on my personal experience and observing others, the Glock is an easy pistol to shoot OK and a very difficult pistol to shoot very well.

If you try to shoot a Glock like a 1911 or a tuned Langdon Beretta, you are quite likely to dislike the Glock. However, if you can adapt your technique to the Glock, rather than try to make the Glock adapt to you, you can do crazy good shooting with a Glock. Take the Glock grip angle, which many dislike because you need to cam the pistol hard to get it to point right. However when you do cam it properly, that camming reduces muzzle raise. If you try to shoot the trigger on a Glock like a 1911, you will notice how heavy, long and creepy the trigger is. However if you work the trigger while the sights are in motion, you can use that travel to give you a fast surprise break, and deliver accurate shots quickly. A Glock is very easy to reload and can be drawn at warp speed. In the last month, I have got my max effort draws with a Glock down to the high .40’s, and have been able to draw and shoot three A zone hits at 7 yards in .99 total. Setting up three 8 inch steel at 12, 20 and 35 yards, I have been able to draw and shoot all three steel plates in three successive runs under 2.50. Shooting 8 inch steel fast at 35 yards is not something most people would associate with a Glock. Leaving aside narrow tasks, my match placement with a Glock has been the best I have done in my whole time competing.

As to the fire control parts, people who would never ever think of doing a trigger job on their 1911, Beretta or whatever, seem to think they are qualified to improve their Glock triggers with polishing and modifications beyond switching parts.

In summary, the Glock is an incredibly capable pistol, that does as well for competition as defense, but to shoot it well, you have to adapt to its idiosyncrasies rather than try to make it adapt to the way you would shoot other pistols.

[BK14]

Here are my thoughts on the Glock.



In your time (or anyone else) behind a gen 5 trigger, have you had the trigger return spring break?


I’ve heard of one catastrophic failure of the spring, where it broke at a low round count which killed the gun. Apparently this trigger can’t be manually reset like the old generations. Just trying to hear some feedback on durability.

[GuanoLoco]

Agreed - I've seen several GLOCKS go full auto after the "25 cent trigger job" was applied by someone too enthusiastic with the dremel... For me, at this point in my life, it's all stock on all serious carry pistols, less sights, and the occasional magazine release (lookin' at you, GLOCK). If your chosen pistol doesn't shoot well with factory components in factory condition, find something else! There are PLENTY of options out there...

WTH? That’s not a polish job, that is not negligence, that is gross negligence.

I PROMISE you they did far more than a $0.25 POLISH trigger job.

[RJ]

Just trying to hear some feedback on durability.

One G19.5 with 2,030 rounds, One G26.5 with 200 rounds; both stock. 0 malfunctions.

The only curious durability-related observation on both my Gen 5's I have noticed is that the barrel finish is worn through/rubbed down to the metal in a fairly distinctive pattern. Smarter people than me have told me not to worry about it and shoot the gun, so that's what I'm doing.