Glock 17 15 Round Factory Magazines

[willie]

I read in an older thread here that NYC requires that their issue Glock 17's be reduced to 15 shot capacity. Wonders never cease. Is this information true? Explanation?

[HCM]

I read in an older thread here that NYC requires that their issue Glock 17's be reduced to 15 shot capacity. Wonders never cease. Is this information true? Explanation?

Yes, it is true.

1) Their other duty guns, including the SW 5946 it replaced, are all 15 round magazines.
2) When you have 40,000 cops who have to shoot twice a year and you are qualifying 1,000 cops per week uniformity matters.


Why not just look up the old thread : https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17427-NYPD-and-the-Glock-17

[Bucky]

I’ve wanted them to make these for so many years, for use in NJ. When they finally do, NJ goes to 10. :mad:

[Nephrology]

They're very useful here in CO...

[willie]

[QUOTE=Bucky;790346]I’ve wanted them to make these for so many years, for use in NJ. When they finally do, NJ goes to 10. :mad:[/QUO

I don't know if it's true but read one place that off duty New Jersey cops can't carry 17 rd mags.

[Ed L]

I read in an older thread here that NYC requires that their issue Glock 17's be reduced to 15 shot capacity. Wonders never cease. Is this information true? Explanation?

NYPD requires the Glock 17s to have 15 round magazines for their force. Because the Glock 19 and other authorized duty guns have 15 round magazines, this helps with lowest common denominator training.

For a civilian in NYC, once you go through the arduous licensing requirements which takes close to a year, costs over $400 in fees, required several written character references, you are limited to a 10 round magazine for an automatic pistol. Licensing requirements for a longarm are a little easier and less expensive, but you are limited to a 5 round magazine capacity if you reside within NYC. If you reside elsewhere in NY state outside of outside of NYC, you don't need a license to buy a longarm but are limited in most cases to a 10 round magazine capacity.

[willie]

Thank you for the clarification.

[Bucky]

I’ve wanted them to make these for so many years, for use in NJ. When they finally do, NJ goes to 10. :mad:

I don't know if it's true but read one place that off duty New Jersey cops can't carry 17 rd mags.

The new law would seem to dictate that (emphasis mine):

Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6, a law enforcement officer may possess and carry while on duty a large capacity ammunition magazine and possess and carry while off duty a large capacity ammunition magazine which is capable of holding up to 15 rounds of ammunition that can be fed continuously and directly into a semi-automatic firearm.

[Bigghoss]

They're very useful here in CO...

Truth.

[Gadfly]

Then they issue out ammo, it’s a box of 50.
15+1 in the gun and 2x15 on the belt = 46
17+1 in the gun and 2x17 on the belt = 52

They account for every single round, you can’t have extra. You don’t get issued 50. You get issued 46. That is covered by pulling 4 rounds from a box of 50. If you have to give the 50 plus 2 loose.... it would confuse folks.

As mentioned, qualifying 40,000 officers is difficult.
5 days a week x 52 weeks is 260 days to run qual, that’s roughly 154 officers per day, every day. Standardization is pretty mandatory.


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[Cypher]

They're very useful here in CO...


I just can't bring myself to buy a Glock 17 that holds just as many rounds as my 19

[Nephrology]

I just can't bring myself to buy a Glock 17 that holds just as many rounds as my 19

17 handles better with gloves, IMO, during the winter.

[Hambo]

Then they issue out ammo, it’s a box of 50.
15+1 in the gun and 2x15 on the belt = 46
17+1 in the gun and 2x17 on the belt = 52

They account for every single round, you can’t have extra. You don’t get issued 50. You get issued 46. That is covered by pulling 4 rounds from a box of 50. If you have to give the 50 plus 2 loose.... it would confuse folks.

As mentioned, qualifying 40,000 officers is difficult.
5 days a week x 52 weeks is 260 days to run qual, that’s roughly 154 officers per day, every day. Standardization is pretty mandatory.


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Quantity has a quality all its own.

[ST911]

15+1 in the gun and 2x15 on the belt = 46
17+1 in the gun and 2x17 on the belt = 52

They account for every single round, you can’t have extra. You don’t get issued 50. You get issued 46. That is covered by pulling 4 rounds from a box of 50. If you have to give the 50 plus 2 loose.... it would confuse folks.

Oh, yes it does. And where those extra four rounds surface, in what combinations, many years later is mind numbing.

[Bigghoss]

I just can't bring myself to buy a Glock 17 that holds just as many rounds as my 19

I agree for the most part. But they're good for folks that had 17 round mags before the ban and don't want to use them up at the range or for those of us that legally can still get 17 round mags but it's just easier to order 15's online for training rather than paying a premium at a gun store or having to provide credentials to one of the sites that didn't just say "screw all ban states".

[Gadfly]

We give out practice ammo at my agency. So when you show up to qual, you get 250 rounds. You qual with your primary pistol two times (50 rounds per qual), and back up gets shot for one qual, and you get 50 rounds per gun as “practice ammo” to shoot on your own. If we run extra drills for the quarter, we give extra ammo to cover it.

Sooo, each agent typically gets about 1000 rounds per year. And if they save up the practice ammo, they have quite a stash of ammo. And then you see NYC. Where letting 4 extra rounds leave the range would cause the City to implode. WTF is up with that mentality of not trusting your people? If you trust them with the gun and bullets, you can trust them with extra bullets.


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[Cypher]

17 handles better with gloves, IMO, during the winter.

Probably, but I hate gloves. I almost never wear them

[Duelist]

Just an FYI for those that may need these:
https://www.glockmeister.com/GLOCK-Factory-G17-Magazine-15-Rounds/productinfo/G17MAGHF15/

[Nephrology]

Probably, but I hate gloves. I almost never wear them

I need them in cold weather and wear them often enough to warrant the switch to carrying a 17 in the late winter.

[Cypher]

I need them in cold weather and wear them often enough to warrant the switch to carrying a 17 in the late winter.


My hands sweat a lot. Gloves irritate the hell out of me and make my hands colder because they're wet. There's one parking garage downtown that I occasionally have to work at that looks like the set of a zombie movie. I wear gloves there because it's so nasty I want to bathe in Draino at the end of my shift and I don't want to touch anything.