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ToddG
02-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Please read the rules (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1837-Drill-of-the-Week) before participating in this thread.

Week 22: SHO FAST
results may be posted until 11:59pm EST on Monday 5-March-2012.

Range: 7yd
Target: 3x5 card and 8" circle
Start position: concealed or retention holster, arms relaxed at sides ("at sides" does not mean in front of your legs)
Rounds fired: 60

This is just running the F.A.S.T. (http://pistol-training.com/drills/the-fast) ten times using your strong hand only for the draw, reload, and all shots fired.

Only run this week's drill if you have formal professional instruction in the proper way to draw and reload using only your strong hand and you are confident you can do so safely. There are a variety of things that can go wrong if you don't know what you're doing and some of those "wrongs" involve bullets entering your body.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

holster used
score for each run (includes penalties for misses)
draw and reload for each run


If you cannot perform this drill, the alternative DotW is as follows:

Range: 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25yd
Target: the Tom_Jones B16 replacement center (http://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=282&d=1322428754)
Start position: any
Rounds fired: 50

Fire ten rounds at each distance. Use a separate target for each distance to make scorekeeping easier. Shots that land off the paper score zero.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

score for each distance



Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

(and a pistol-forum.com "Drop 200#" pin to the first person who accurately guesses what next week's DotW will be...)

jetfire
02-27-2012, 04:09 PM
Clarification: when you say "reload strong hand only" you're talking about one of the various methods of placing your pistol somewhere, and using only your strong hand to grab the magazine, etc?

ToddG
02-27-2012, 04:14 PM
holster used: Safariland ALS drop leg, with ALS Guard (no penalty)


11.23 clean, 2.54 draw, 6.24 reload
11.18 (10.18 -1B), 2.29 draw, 5.27 reload
11.48 (9.48 -1H), 2.26 draw, 5.08 reload
9.89 clean, 2.71 draw, 5.11 reload
11.27 (9.27 -1H), 2.39 draw, 4.65 reload
9.63 clean, 2.62 draw, 4.85 reload
8.30 clean, 2.21 draw, 4.24 reload
12.79 (10.79 -1H), 2.83 draw, 5.39 reload
9.76 clean, 2.47 draw, 4.90 reload
9.49 clean, 2.22 draw, 5.08 reload

ToddG
02-27-2012, 04:16 PM
Clarification: when you say "reload strong hand only" you're talking about one of the various methods of placing your pistol somewhere, and using only your strong hand to grab the magazine, etc?

By strong hand only I mean you cannot use your weak/support/other/left-if-God-made-you-properly hand to do anything. It cannot help clear your cover garment for the draw or reload, it cannot touch the gun or magazine for anything. It's as if that hand got chopped off. If you have a hard time keeping that hand under control, bring a tennis ball with you to the range and clench it with that hand throughout the drill.

jetfire
02-27-2012, 04:20 PM
Cool.

EricP
02-27-2012, 05:20 PM
pistol-forum.com[/B] "Drop 200#" pin to the first person who accurately guesses what next week's DotW will be...)

I guessing WHO FAST?

Mr_White
02-27-2012, 06:20 PM
I guessing WHO FAST?

Beat me to it! That was my guess too.

YVK
02-28-2012, 06:39 PM
18.19 (-H), 2.97 draw, 9.47 reload. Note to self: it helps to drop a mag before sticking a gun between legs.
13.19, 3.50 draw, 6.97 reload
15.30 (-H, -B), 3.16 draw, 5.99 reload
14.16 (-B), 2.85 draw, 7.18 reload
20.01 (-H, -H, -B, -B) 3.14 draw, 7.6 reload
12.97, 3.03 draw, 6.66 reload
11.96, 3.23 draw, 6.11 reload
13.17, 3.35 draw, 6.90 reload
17.92 (-H, -H, -B), 2.82 draw, 6.53 reload. The harder you try, the worse they come out.
13.39, 3.09 draw, 7.14 reload.

So, what's a coin-winning time for a SHO F.A.S.T. :D?

P30 LEM/GGI trigger, CCC's Shaggy and BMC, wool sweater for a cover garment.

Mr_White
03-02-2012, 05:59 PM
Holster used: modified Blade-Tech Nano, AIWB concealed with a t-shirt

Score for each run/draw and reload for each run:

1: 12.59 (9.59 –1 H, -1B), 1.72 draw, 5.72 reload
2: 13.04 clean, 1.56 draw, 8.99 reload (slide didn’t lock back)
3: 11.45 (9.45 –1 H), 2.13 draw, 5.06 reload
4: 13.10 (9.10 –2 H), 1.54 draw, 5.39 reload
5: 19.78 clean, 1.66 draw, 15.90 reload (slide didn’t lock back, shirt got seriously in the way of the reload)
6: 26.16 (24.16 –1H), 2.73 draw, 19.17 reload (slide didn’t lock back, forgot to drop empty mag, took multiple attempts to rack the slide on leg/gear)
7: 9.30 clean, 1.84 draw, 5.27 reload
8: 11.19 clean, 1.81 draw, 7.24 reload (slide didn’t lock back, but it got solved relatively smoothly unlike some other runs)
9: 9.17 clean, 1.92 draw, 5.02 reload
10: 9.44 clean, 1.75 draw, 5.65 reload

Well this was interesting.

I was kind of squirrelly on a few of the early runs, but, regardless of that, was relatively happy with the shooting part of this drill. I screwed up royally at one point and forgot to drop the empty mag before holstering the gun to start reloading it. Evidently, I also press the slide stop lever with my strong hand thumb when shooting SHO, because the slide failed to lock back several times and I had to rack it from the slide closed position on my pants or holster or mag pouches.

One thing I was very happy with was the 8” circle shooting. I just put them in there like a machine. No nerves, no flinching, no slop, just focus on the front sight and see the sights in place for every shot. Only missed one on the first run.

Given what I’ve been working on lately, I am happy that where I blew it was more on SHO reloads than the marksmanship.

Marksmanship-wise, 3x5 shots were: 15/20 = 75% hits

8” circle shots were: 39/40 = 97.5% hits, woo hoo!

Overall: 54/60 = 90% hits

jthhapkido
03-02-2012, 08:12 PM
Start position: Gen 4 G17 in Archangel AIWB, closed-front fleece, Ky-tac mag pouch

01: 11.62 (11.62 C) 2.60 draw, 5.80 reload
02: 11.82 (10.82 -1B) 2.48 draw, 5.55 reload
03: 14.79 (10.79 -2H) 1.95 draw, 5.98 reload
04: 9.70 (9.70 C!) 1.92 draw, 5.37 reload
05: 12.28 (9.28 -1H -1B) 1.86 draw, 5.10 reload
06: 11.28 (9.28 -1H) 1.86 draw, 5.37 reload
07: 12.69 (10.69 -1H) 1.86 draw, 6.02 reload
08: 9.26 (9.26 C!) 2.07 draw, 5.03 reload
09: 14.08 (9.08 -2H -1B) 1.80 draw, 5.11 reload
10: 10.26 (10.26 C) 2.13 draw, 5.78 reload

Ave Time including penalties: 11.78 s
Best: 9.26 (clean!)
Worst: 14.79 (not clean!)

Ave draw: 2.05 (Best: 1.80, Worst: 2.60)
Ave reload: 5.51 (Best: 5.03, Worst: 6.02)

[sigh] I've really got to let myself take that extra 0.2 seconds to set the shot before I take it. And not yanking the trigger would probably help, too.

Average Time without penalties was 10.07, and the times when I worked the trigger properly, and took that extra time to make certain of the shot, not only were faster due to no penalties, but they were some of my best runs overall anyway! (Average time for just the clean runs was 10.21.)

Aiming and trigger control works, who woulda thunk it? :)

(Head Hits: 13/20 = 65% Bleh. Body Hits: 37/40 = 92.5% ~okay.)

DocGKR
03-03-2012, 02:37 AM
Federal AE9FP 147 gr FMJ fired from G19 w/RMR07 holstered in a AIWB Fricke Seraphim concealed under a long sweat shirt and soft shell TNF vest.

OK, I am daft today. I failed to closely read the instructions and ended up shooting WH only FAST, not SH only FAST...

2 missed shots and times ranging from 18.93 down to 14.40.

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Fortunately I also ran the alternate drill:

5 yds = 100-10x
10 yds = 100-9x
15 yds = 96-3x
20 yds = 94-2x
25 yds = 93-1x

Dang--the B16 is a whole lot harder than the B8...

CraigBos
03-05-2012, 03:42 AM
I did the alternate drill with my M&P 9 mm

Scores:

5 yd: 91 2x
10 yd: 76 2x
15 yd: 64
20 yd: 59
25 yd: 43 1x



Thanks!

CCT125US
03-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Just realized the thread was still open so here are the results.

HK P30 V3 Heine Straight Eight Qwik
Modified Cane and Derby PIC
IWB mag pouch
from under a hoodie

12.25 (c) 3.29 1.33 5.51 .74 .70 .68
11.47 (c) 3.19 1.24 5.14 .65 .65 .60
13.86 (-3B) 2.88 1.31 4.72 .63 .63 .69
12.28 (-1B) 3.34 1.20 4.68 .75 .66 .65
12.73 (-2B) 3.35 .93 4.44 .66 .59 .76
12.55 (-1B) 3.39 1.27 4.83 .78 .65 .63
12.00 (c) 3.14 .94 5.77 .74 .73 .68
10.11 (c) 2.57 .90 4.65 .66 .61 .72
12.93 (-2B) 2.94 1.12 5.08 .62 .61 .56
14.65(-1H-2B) 2.87 .91 4.74 .74 .64 .75

Avg. draw: 3.09
Avg. reload: 4.96
Head shots 19/20, body shots 29/40

Thoughts: Strong handed double action press outs were challenging and took time, but I got all but one in the box. The body shots were frustrating because I was trying to go too fast at the expense of accuracy. The misses were not out by much but still a miss none the less. The clean runs "felt" good, as in the grip was solid after the reload. On the head shots I knew I needed to take my time. On the body shots accuracy suffered due to over confidence and speed... oh and a poor grip, trigger jerking, slapping etc. etc.