Walking/Jogging Carry

[Shotgun]

What are you all carrying when you go out for a walk or jog in your town or cities? Walking and jogging clothes do not lend themselves to concealed carry. Ruger LCP that would fit in a pocket?

And, I'm not talking about what GJM or Lost River may carry when going for a hike in the wilderness.

[BehindBlueI's]

LCR in a fanny pack. Well, in a kydex holster velcro'd into a fanny pack. I've went with heavier guns, but even as slow as I am they get "floppy" quick as the bag starts to bounce.

[Peally]

Just my normal belt carry method. For packs I'm looking at a Hill People Gear runner bag with a kydex trigger guard inside. Sweaty and extra weight but what you gonna do.

[Cheap Shot]

LCP in ruger holster placed in a neoprene CD player fanny pack. Neoprene keeps everything secure and prevents it from bouncing. Ipod goes in a separate pocket of fanny pack. Fanny pack when combined with my natural dorkiness effectively disguises the fanny pack as a "fashion choice" versus gun accessory......

[RevolverRob]

Light guns (Airweight J or lighter) = Belly Band

All others = Hill People Gear Kit Bag

Big fan of the Belly Band for light guns while exercising - the ones with retention straps are the best I've tried. That said, I've seen some ingenious folks out there modify bellybands with kydex inserts to improve retention, without a strap. I'm not currently carrying a piece at the gym (legal issues), so I haven't tried a setup like that, but when I finally do go back to the land of the free where carrying at the gym is fine I'll probably try something to this effect.

Remember with belly bands wider is generally betters, 5" wide bands tend to have the least "roll" to them.

[BillSWPA]

Glock 26 in a Tommy’s Gun Pack.


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[Irelander]

I carry my G19, wallet, keys, phone in a Hill People Gear Snubby Kit Bag.

[Doc_Glock]

Walking: usual daily carry AIWB EDC.

Running: Wilderness Frequent Flyer Belt on skin under shirt with G43 in Raven Phantom 4:00. I tried pretty much everything out there running and this works best for me even over long runs in rough terrain.

Hated Belly band, and hated Hill People kit bag due to excessive bounce. Both fine for walking.

[BobM]

Either a fanny pack or a Hillpeople Gear runners kit bag with a M&P2.0C, and pepper spray

[lwt16]

Glock 26.3 IWB kydex holster.
Glock 42 in front left pocket
Spyderco Para2 in right pocket
Wallet
Phone
Leatherman Kick with pocket clip.

We just walk so there's no jogging involved. G26 disappears underneath a loose fitting tee.

Regards.

[wmu12071]

I must be just the right shape. I just use my normal belt, holster, and G19. This hasn't changed while losing 30 lbs in the last year and change. I run with a light in my hand because I have used it more than once to back off a charging dog. I need to get a few cans of pepper spray to work with as others have pointed out it is much better to spray someone down with irritants then lead.

[deputyG23]

When I did walk regularly, I carried one G22/23/27 series in a Glock sport/combat polymer holster. When I ran daily when training for Philmont Scout Ranch backpacking trip in '11, I did not carry. I really need to start again and will probably rely on a airweight J frame in an old belly band.

[WobblyPossum]

I run about 5 miles at a time, three times a week. I wear a regular pair of shorts with belt loops and pockets, not a pair of athletic shorts. I carry a G26 using a Mastermind Tactics AIWB holster and belt "covered" by a t-shirt. I say "covered" because the shirt is basically pressed into the gun due to the running and it isn't concealed at all, it's just covered by the shirt. I also run in a constitutional carry state on a dirt road where I encounter few vehicles and even fewer pedestrians so I'm not too concerned with printing on my runs. I haven't found this mode of carry to be uncomfortable or irritating.

[Duelist]

For walking, it really depends on how you are dressed. For me, if I’m wearing cargo shorts, I’ll just wear a baggy shirt over it and carry my IWB holstered gun. For the past year, that’s mostly been a G26.3. A fanny pack works, too. So can pocket carry, unless you’re wearing floppy athletic shorts.

For running, you need something that doesn’t bounce. Some fanny packs could work, but the best I’ve come across is a Smartcarry with a light gun in it. A 642 or G42 or P32 works great - except I hear the P32 is more susceptible to internal parts rusting than is really tolerable. But you could carry one in a Speedo. I can get away with a G26 if I’m not really running, just doing jogging intervals interspersed with waking, but real running pretty much needs lighter. For the past 15 years, that’s mostly been a 642, but ever since we got G42s, they’ve been usurping most of the times I carry the 642.

For the gym, again, it depends on how you dress. Skin tight yoga clothes are going to be a problem for anything. Looser clothes, the Smartcarry with the G42 or 642 or G26 - something will work. It also depends partly on what exercises I’m doing. But a loose T-shirt that hangs over the waistband, the gun butt up near the waistband, with the G42 or 642, and I can pretty much do anything I normally do at the gym. I don’t jump on stacked boxes!

[JAD]

10-18 miles per week.

Historically very good luck with a PT-Two from these guys http://www.pistolwear.com/pt-2-concealment-holster/, with weapons ranging from a P7 to a lightweight commander. Double stacks were problematic.

More recently G43 in a Mastermind AIWB.

[jetfire]

What are you all carrying when you go out for a walk or jog in your town or cities? Walking and jogging clothes do not lend themselves to concealed carry. Ruger LCP that would fit in a pocket?

And, I'm not talking about what GJM or Lost River may carry when going for a hike in the wilderness.

I live in Miami in an urban area, when I’m doing fitness outside the house I carry a small thing of pepper spray. If I carry a gun, it’s a S&W 351PD in a Dark Star Gear holster.

[jnc36rcpd]

S&W Shield, cuffs, and badge wallet in a Hill People Gear Snubby Pack, OC, and keys in my pockets. If it's dark, I can slip a Powertac E5 to the pack. If I bring a phone, I can do likewise.

I also have a 10-24 Products chest pack that will accommodate a larger pistol.

[the Schwartz]

Reading the posts here, it appears that I am seriously under-equipped when I go running.

I usually carry a 1.5-ounce OC/CS canister and a small automatic knife (a Benchmade 4300 CLA 3.4").

[JAD]

Reading the posts here, it appears that I am seriously under-equipped when I go running.

I usually carry a 1.5-ounce OC/CS canister and a small automatic knife (a Benchmade 4300 CLA 3.4").

I will run without a gun, unhappily, like when I travel. I would never want to run without a phone.

[the Schwartz]

I will run without a gun, unhappily, like when I travel. I would never want to run without a phone.

Fortunately I do carry my phone, too, as it is small enough to 'pocket' during runs. I guess that the appeal of running with a gun, unlike that of running with scissors, is that it serves a real purpose, even if that purpose is nothing more than the mental comfort of knowing that there is another option available other than screaming and pissing myself after the OC/CS canister runs out...:D

[RJ]

I am typing this at the gym. On an elliptical machine.

I have an LCR in a DeSantis Nemesis in my strong side pocket.

[RevolverRob]

Another one I just remembered, a friend carries an LCP (or maybe a P3AT, whatever, same gun). With one of those integrated spring clips on it. The ones that sort of look like a pocket knife clip. He slips it right in the front of his gym shorts and then ties the drawstring on his shorts behind the gun. It stays in place and draws cleanly. Maybe not the most ideal (I guess you could get the string onto the trigger somehow, but with the 29 pound trigger on an LCP, I doubt you could set it off). An approach like that with the gun tucked into a bellyband instead of the waistband would be virtually ideal. I'd set the clip up for left hand carry (assuming right handed) so your body further acts as retention on the spring. It might rub you a bit, but suck it up princess.

[Kyle Reese]

Glock 26 in a Tommy’s Gun Pack.


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[BillSWPA]

To maximize comfort with a fanny pack, a wide strap that is snugly adjusted helps.

The fanny pack not only provides a comfortable way to carry a gun, but also provides some protection for the gun from perspiration. That can be quite important during my workouts.



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[StraitR]

For walks or hikes with the family I carry a J-Frame in a Galco Stow-N-Go holster, or 9mm Commander in a Hill People Gear Kit Bag.

I don't run unless I have to. If you ever see me running, you should probably start running too.

[Duelist]

Another one I just remembered, a friend carries an LCP (or maybe a P3AT, whatever, same gun). With one of those integrated spring clips on it. The ones that sort of look like a pocket knife clip. He slips it right in the front of his gym shorts and then ties the drawstring on his shorts behind the gun. It stays in place and draws cleanly. Maybe not the most ideal (I guess you could get the string onto the trigger somehow, but with the 29 pound trigger on an LCP, I doubt you could set it off). An approach like that with the gun tucked into a bellyband instead of the waistband would be virtually ideal. I'd set the clip up for left hand carry (assuming right handed) so your body further acts as retention on the spring. It might rub you a bit, but suck it up princess.

Suppose you could do something similar with a jframe and a clipdraw, or a GLOCK and a clipdraw and a MIC.

Think I'll stick with the smartcarry.

[RevolverRob]

Suppose you could do something similar with a jframe and a clipdraw, or a GLOCK and a clipdraw and a MIC.

Think I'll stick with the smartcarry.

Smart carry is a little uh...low for me when running. Same thing with pocket carry and loose shorts.

Besides when you wear Ranger Panties - Smart Carry prints too much. :rolleyes:.

Anyways - a smart carry could be an alternative for slow jogging, but I find it moves too much for running.

The one thing I’d prefer in most belly bands would be an additional elastic wrap over the exterior portion of the gun pocket. It would reduce printing and boost retention.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

We walk or sedately hike on moderate trails, so it is cargo pants with an OWB G26, extra mag, Sypderco and Surefire. Covered with a light weight floppy shirt. We can run into a critter or two (no bears though!). If we are in more rural areas - might be a 1911 or G19.

Running (haha) - treadmill at the Y. Guns banned, so a small OC and a small Sypderco and photon light.

[Virtuosity Student]

Every afternoon this summer from about 5 until dark the wife, myself, and four kiddos (all under 9) are outside kicking a soccer ball, going on walks down the street with the dog, or just muddling about doing something in the yard. My usual attire is basketball shorts with a drawstring and pockets along with a t shirt. I have had either a G26 or G43 AIWB in a kydex holster that has a strong clip each time we go out and folding knife clipped IWB at 3:00. With the drawstring snug, I’ve never had any issues with said activities, but I am not going on long runs either. YMMV.

[BobLoblaw]

I don’t mess around when I run (max cardio for max results). Sprints (70-90 sec 400 m) and walk between for a couple miles sucks. I go with a G43 in a mastermind AIWB rig with metal clip and I experience little to no bounce. I would choose any site supporting AIWB holster with discreet carry concepts clips and a foam wedge. Just don’t use all your juice until you’re within a safe area.

[Duelist]

Smart carry is a little uh...low for me when running. Same thing with pocket carry and loose shorts.

Besides when you wear Ranger Panties - Smart Carry prints too much. :rolleyes:.

Anyways - a smart carry could be an alternative for slow jogging, but I find it moves too much for running.

The one thing I’d prefer in most belly bands would be an additional elastic wrap over the exterior portion of the gun pocket. It would reduce printing and boost retention.

If it’s too low, if it’s bouncing, you might be doing it wrong. I haven’t experienced any bouncing or discomfort when wearing it in *front* of and slightly above the boys, with the grip of the small, light gun just below the waistband. When it’s lower, or the gun is longer and heavier, it can bounce and pinch.

Riding a horse while wearing one with a 3913 is not a good idea. So I hear.

[jetfire]

I will run without a gun, unhappily, like when I travel. I would never want to run without a phone.

Being able to call 911 while I run away like a frightened girl is way more valuable to me than 7 rounds of .22 Magnum.

[Shipwreck]

Thunderwear or Smartcarry. But, I position the gun at 3 o'clock. I cannot carry it at 12 o'clock comfortably, as it was designed. Been doing this about 12 years with draw string shorts

The entire gun does not have to be below the shorts with it on your hip. I have the entire grip above the waistline of the shorts. I left the thunderwear in a box since the last 1990s. Almost threw it away for years. Then one day, it occurred to me that I could position the thing with the gun on my side, like a normal holster.

[OnionsAndDragons]

I've been experimenting with just wearing a regular belt setup under my shorts. It requires a bit longer undershirt, the length on UA compression shirts seems about right.

Graith specialist belt, SME holster, p2000. The only thing I might desire of this system so far is a Velcro lined version of the belt for a bit more softness on the edges when biking.

I don't sprint but biking, dog jogs and hikes have been fine.


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[JAD]

Being able to call 911 while I run away like a frightened girl is way more valuable to me than 7 rounds of .22 Magnum.
I have a very nice phone. It is able to send a geotag to the cops, so I can focus on my screaming.

[Shipwreck]

I've been experimenting with just wearing a regular belt setup under my shorts. It requires a bit longer undershirt, the length on UA compression shirts seems about right.

Graith specialist belt, SME holster, p2000. The only thing I might desire of this system so far is a Velcro lined version of the belt for a bit more softness on the edges when biking.

I don't sprint but biking, dog jogs and hikes have been fine.


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I use the thunderwear setup at 3 o'clock to carry an HK P2000 every day. In Texas, one can wear shorts about 8 months of the year. Works great

[jwperry]

Walks/hikes, normal EDC(either a G19 or P229R) and probably more medical than normal (concerned about animal contact)

High intensity workout, it's G43/TRL6 in a Bawidamann holster, with a single discreet carry concept secured under the drawstring of my shorts. I'll occasionally put on a belly band under it to reduce the contact on my skin. I don't beat pavement to run, I excersize indoors in an open air gym, so I'm less concerned about street people.

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[JonInWA]

Walking/hiking: Normal holster, spare magazine pouch; normally Olen kydex and a .40, either Glock Gen4G22 or HK VP40. Biking or more strenuous activity, I'll use a Wilderness Runners Back with my Safepacker, or the simpler Packer Back (with no water bottle holders) and a Glock Gen 3 G19.

Best, Jon

[John10-19]

Gym and running:
On Graith Specialist under T-Shirt:
JM Custom Kydex AIWB Wing Claw 2.5 with small wedge and shimmed wing with Glock 43
JM Custom Kydex AIWB-SPMP PTD Loops for Glock 43 mag
Off Side Appendix fixed blade

Walking/Hiking and sometimes running:
On Graith Specialist or Ares Aegis Enhanced under cover garment:
JM Custom Kydex AIWB Wing Claw 2.5 with the shimmed wing with 19.5
JM Custom Kydex AIWB-SPMP Split Loops for Glock 17 mag
Off Side Appendix fixed blade
If I'm only walking I will add an expandable baton for dogs

Running:
http://www.pistolwear.com/pt-2-concealment-holster/
Glock 43

Mountain Biking, Trail Running, Rarely Normal Running:
https://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/2
Runners Kit Bag
Glock 19 with trigger guard holster tethered to the inside of the bag.

[schüler]

HPG Runner's Kit Bag w/PPQ. I wear it higher on chest, don't have problem with bouncing and found a happy tension with breathing/chest expansion. There are additional loops on bottom of bag to help with bounce if you need an extra strap. ETA: PPQ is in a holster mounted to thin sheet of poly cut to fit Bag interior pocket. I wasn't happy with inconsistent positioning. Still need to add a bouncy ball pull to the zipper.

Phone rides just as shown for easy peeping Ghostracer app. It's one of the few activity apps that doesn't require a login/account. NetGuard app insures there are no other app network comms.


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[FOG]

For running, HPG snubby kit bag (original pattern) with walther pps m2 inside. I'm using the recon harness so I can carry a hydration bladder. This has been my go to setup for the last year and a half of dabbling in long distance running. Did 18 miles just yesterday with it. Ive also used just my standard AIWB set up but just on short and slow runs.
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[ragnar_d]

Walking the pooch around the neighborhood and with the family will basically just be whatever EDC gear I have on me which usually includes:

Either my standard G19/JMCK AIWB setup or my 638/CCC clip on holster
Streamlight 2L-X
ASP Key Defender or Fox Labs "Personal Protection Unit"
Phone in my pocket

Jogging early of a morning, most of it is based on me hating having junk in my pockets when I jog:

No gun because I haven't figured out a good solution yet. I'm leaning towards a 351C/43C in a DSG clip on or Phlster Flex setup
Streamlight 2L-X clipped inside the waistband of my shorts
Fox Labs "Personal Protection Unit" clipped inside the waistband of my shorts
Phone in an armband


I'd like to be able to pack a gun on my jogs but I'm not too worried because, in all honesty, I'm more worried about some numbskull missing a corner or stoplight and hitting me with a car than having to go to guns when I'm out and about on my jog at 0500.

[Weaponeer]

I live in an area that has a lot of coyotes that are bold enough to walk through the city in the early dawn. I keep my carry weapon P320c RX in my EDC holster with the SIg Foxtrot 1, a knife and a spare light on walks. On runs I keep a fanny pack with a Walther P99c.


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[ubervic]

Rather than weigh myself down with the weight and concerns of carry gear, I’d much sooner buy a treadmill and walk/run unencumbered within my home.

[Duelist]

Rather than weigh myself down with the weight and concerns of carry gear, I’d much sooner buy a treadmill and walk/run unencumbered within my home.

So. Boring. Would rather gouge my own eyeballs out.

[ubervic]

So. Boring. Would rather gouge my own eyeballs out.

Agreed. My wife does it, but I can't stand it.

My point: I'm fine "taking my chances" running unarmed. I do it early morning in my subdivision. If I can't be comfortable doing that, then Eff it. I'll bore myself to death using wife's treadmill.

To each, his own.

[peterb]

So. Boring. Would rather gouge my own eyeballs out.

I felt that way about most indoor aerobic exercise until recently, but some of the new interactive video options changed my mind. There are a bunch for cycling — Zwift, Sufferfest, Fulgaz, etc., — and some for running and rowing.

[BillSWPA]

It is not a burden if your gear is selected and worn properly.


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[BehindBlueI's]

Rather than weigh myself down with the weight and concerns of carry gear, I’d much sooner buy a treadmill and walk/run unencumbered within my home.

I'm not setting any land speed records to begin with, and compared to a duty belt or ruck it's pretty minimal. I don't notice it while running any more than I notice my duty belt throughout the day.



My point: I'm fine "taking my chances" running unarmed. I do it early morning in my subdivision. If I can't be comfortable doing that, then Eff it. I'll bore myself to death using wife's treadmill.

To each, his own.


Each to their own, as you say. One of the times I actually needed a gun was while jogging in my neighborhood. A loose pitbull announced his presence by running up on me from behind and just as I heard the claws on the pavement, jumping on to me, biting my arm. He let go, lunged at my face, then began circling me. Verbal commands and a stiff kick hadn't been of much help. A .38+P in his chest seemed more decisive. Odds/stakes, etc. etc.

[Chuck Haggard]

Dark Star Gear AIWB with a G43 or a snub in my shorts. Or a Tommy's small fanny pack.

[GyroF-16]

Phone rides just as shown for easy peeping Ghostracer app. It's one of the few activity apps that doesn't require a login/account. NetGuard app insures there are no other app network comms.


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When I look in the App Store, NetGuard seems to be for remote IP camera viewing.
I’m interested in the functionality you describe...
Can you tell us more?

Oh- and sorry for going off-topic.

[Peally]

To be fair exercise in general is boring as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ck. You're just doing extremely repetitive physical motions. Seeing trees bouncing around doesn't make me any more interested in jogging, but at least people don't call the police when I jog in my underpants on my treadmill.

[4gallonbucket]

Not sure about the OP's app, but my recent search for same showed that he must be on the Android platform, not iPhone.


When I look in the App Store, NetGuard seems to be for remote IP camera viewing.
I’m interested in the functionality you describe...
Can you tell us more?

Oh- and sorry for going off-topic.

[schüler]

When I look in the App Store, NetGuard seems to be for remote IP camera viewing.
I’m interested in the functionality you describe...
Can you tell us more?

Oh- and sorry for going off-topic.

GyroF-16, it is indeed an Android app, there may be an iOS alternative. We can continue discussion in this thread:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?31114-RFI-Personal-information-security-Apps-devices-and-practices&p=776593#post776593

[BehindBlueI's]

To be fair exercise in general is boring as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ck. You're just doing extremely repetitive physical motions.

I used to think anyone who talked about "the joy of running" was out of their damn fool mind. When I was younger I hated to run. The Army made me do it, and do it a lot, so I was reasonably good at it but I hated it. Now I suck at it, and I really enjoy it. Odd how perception shifts as you age, I suppose. The extremely repetitive physical motion is part of what I like. It's like chopping wood used to be for me. Sort of a meditation in movement.

I ran a 12:12 minute mile trail running today, 120-ish foot elevation climb. For a good portion of that I couldn't concentrate on anything but my breathing, picturing my lungs as the bellows of a blacksmith's fire. I was acutely aware of my own body in ways I seldom am, and was 100% in the present.

Weight lifting, that's boring to me now. I used to really enjoy weights. Now I enjoy being done...

[RevolverRob]

I hate running and much prefer biking to running, given the choice. The problem with biking (outside) is traffic, morons, and the world. I get why bicyclists ride out into the country and just pound away the miles. I just haven't got the wherewithal or time for that. So I do my biking on the training bike at the gym. The real problem then is...my boys go numb from the way the seat hits me, cutting my mileage short. I can get about 12-15 miles in before I go completely numb. Anyways, when I do it, it's just me staring at the wall across the gym and pumping. I find it very cathartic (except for the numb testies). And I find I don't have to worry about packing a piece. But if I did, a fanny pack and/or bellyband would be my choice.

[BehindBlueI's]

The real problem then is...my boys go numb from the way the seat hits me, cutting my mileage short. I can get about 12-15 miles in before I go completely numb.

You might want to look into the research about nerve compression, prostate damage, and "man troubles" from cycling a lot without one of the newer saddles that doesn't cause numbness.

[schüler]

Rather than weigh myself down with the weight and concerns of carry gear, I’d much sooner buy a treadmill and walk/run unencumbered within my home.

Makes sense for a lot of reasons if your main goal is cardio. And I'm sure it's a great option during winter up North.

You lose out on strength and balance dynamics such as direction change, uneven and irregular surfaces, weather effects and conditioning, etc. And... many of us don't care for the environmental prophylactic. Why treadmasturbate when you can do the Real Thing™? :)

I run in dark morning so the profile of an HPG Recon bag in foliage color wasn't an issue. When I had to rehab on a level surface at a local park during "open" hours I bought a Runner's bag and stuck on the reflectors. My mother has a Runner's bag, my brother has my old Recon bag. I found out he wears it around town. I need to get him a Runner's bag in gray so he doesn't PALS profile. That will be the 5th HPG bag I've bought. I wish they made them in non-tac, non-gray colors.

[RevolverRob]

You might want to look into the research about nerve compression, prostate damage, and "man troubles" from cycling a lot without one of the newer saddles that doesn't cause numbness.

Oh yea, I've seen it. Part of the problem is the saddles on the Keiser M3 spin bikes at the gym - they suck. My actual bike has a good saddle and I don't have these problems. I should really setup a trainer for it in my work space at home, but then I'd have a bike in the middle of the room. :confused:

In the meantime, I use padded compression shorts and adjust the saddle as best I can. I've also switched up my work-out routines to be more high intensity interval types, where I ratchet up the resistance and have to stand up and pedal hard. That relieves the pressure from sitting and provides a better workout too. I was able to bump up from 12-15 miles to 20 or so without significant numbness doing this routine. Of course, then I got a bad upper respiratory infection for nearly 6 weeks earlier this year and I fell off the exercise wagon. I need to get back to the gym, the ballooning I've done since isn't doing me any favors.

[BillSWPA]

Since the effects of exercise have come up, I switched from running to biking a few years ago. 30 years of doing 5 mile runs has left me with some osteoarthritis in my knees. I want to keep the damage at a minimum. I definitely understand the traffic issue, which is probably a far bigger hazard than the likelihood of getting mugged.



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[jetfire]

Since the effects of exercise have come up, I switched from running to biking a few years ago. 30 years of doing 5 mile runs has left me with some osteoarthritis in my knees. I want to keep the damage at a minimum. I definitely understand the traffic issue, which is probably a far bigger hazard than the likelihood of getting mugged.



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I mean if we’re being honest with our risk assessments, the most dangerous thing I do on the reg is cross the street in Miami.

[RevolverRob]

I mean if we’re being honest with our risk assessments, the most dangerous thing I do on the reg is cross the street in Miami.

Two years ago, I missed being hit by about 6 inches, after jumping out of the way. My friend and I were - in a crosswalk, with the right-of-way, at a four-way stop. The culprit? A cop who was texting while driving...:rolleyes:

On the one hand, it would have sucked getting hit and going to the hospital. On the other hand my seven figure settlement from the city would have meant I could focus on doing other things with my life...I'm fairly sure I would have survived, he was coming to a stop, but still going too fast, I probably would have been clipped with him doing about 15 mph. I'm sure the reconstructive surgery and PT for my broken femur and the replaced knee would have sucked hard, but I'm pretty sure I would still be ambulatory. Better I didn't find out, though.

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Point is...exercise can kill you. Better to sit on the couch in front of the tube than go outside. :eek:

PS: The HPG bag, runners, snubby, kit, whatever also works great when bicycling. Attach it to a Camelback for long rides or go alone, but it makes a good spot for your gear to be if you have to stop for a bathroom break or otherwise. I strongly prefer it to a backpack of any kind for more serious cycling (I'm not one to dress like a condom when I go biking...). It's one of the best solutions for drawing while on a bicycle. It's also a good solution if you have to draw down in the bathroom (being up and in front if you're standing at urinal), also no concern if you're sitting on the can. Space enough to pack keys, wallet, phone, gun, reload, and a Powerbar.

[schüler]

Since the effects of exercise have come up, I switched from running to biking a few years ago. 30 years of doing 5 mile runs has left me with some osteoarthritis in my knees. I want to keep the damage at a minimum. I definitely understand the traffic issue, which is probably a far bigger hazard than the likelihood of getting mugged.


My constant are early morning run-ins with territorial dogs let out to do their business or aggressive dogs on the trail. Have bite scars on my right calf. Ran with a baseball bat for a while.

Not directed to you in particular but the Pose method of running has gained a lot of support. Especially among running fanatics that were prone to injury beforehand. If you try it don't ignore the recommended transition and timeline between traditional and Pose gait.

[ubervic]

Makes sense for a lot of reasons if your main goal is cardio. And I'm sure it's a great option during winter up North.

You lose out on strength and balance dynamics such as direction change, uneven and irregular surfaces, weather effects and conditioning, etc. And... many of us don't care for the environmental prophylactic. Why treadmasturbate when you can do the Real Thing™? :)


To be clear, I definitely dislike running on a treadmill. It's boring, and though I may accomplish a great workout I always feel as if I haven't done anything because I'm running in place. It sucks.

However, if I feel that I can jog outdoors ONLY while carrying versus running on my treadmill, the treadmill wins every time. I'm not going to pack heat while running, or while going to the beach, or while doing any number of activities, such as going to a baseball game, where carrying is prohibited. I'll either skip the activity altogether or I'll do it unarmed.

Many on this forum may think I'm silly, or even crazy. That's fine. Feeling compelled to carry 100% of the time is not my choice or reality.

[Shotgun]

My constant are early morning run-ins with territorial dogs let out to do their business or aggressive dogs on the trail.

Exactly. Kid got bit down the street a couple of years ago by a couple of aggressive dogs that could apparently get out on their own. Those dogs are still there although it appears their owner has been doing a better job of keeping them in the yard.

Our own former governor shot a coyote that was attacking his dog with a Ruger LCP. Hence, the Ruger Coyote Special that sold like hotcakes when it was made. The LCP fits nice in athletic short pockets for walks, but it is dang near the worst feeling pistol I've ever handled. It's tiny and does not naturally point well because of its small size. But, for an emergency pistol for exercising, it may just be the ticket.

[BillSWPA]

With pistols like the Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec P3AT, and P-32 being available, many excuses for being unarmed disappear. Obviously illegality, the presence of metal detectors, or the likelihood of going swimming will preclude carry, but something can be easily carried while running.

I live where carrying while running is not necessary, and with a wife and 2 kids, I would move if that was not the case. Years ago, it was definitely not the case, with danger coming on both 2 legs and 4. Having found ways to comfortably carry while running, biking, etc., I see no reason not to do so.

If I knew when I was going to need a gun, then I would avoid going there in the first place, or I would bring a rifle. A handgun is for when we do not think we will need a gun.




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[Glenn E. Meyer]

Hiked on a local trail last night. G26, Surefire, 2 Spyderco. One extra mag. Tourniquet. OC, Glass break gadget, Dime mini-tool. Saw some deer. Went for Chinese food after - lamb with cumin, fish with crispy rice, Chendu dumplings, Kirin beer. Still had the 26, Surefire, Spyderco, etc.

Ran at the Y treadmill. Spyderco and OC. Photon light. Can't have a gun.

Came home safe from both.

[JAD]

Can't have a gun.

Mayn’t.

[Olim9]

To be fair exercise in general is boring as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ck. You're just doing extremely repetitive physical motions. Seeing trees bouncing around doesn't make me any more interested in jogging, but at least people don't call the police when I jog in my underpants on my treadmill.

I’ve been carrying a J Frame whenever I jog. What’s great about being able to carry a gun when running is that you have an option to end it all once the stomach cramps start kicking in (kidding but it does hurt). I fucking hate running but gassing out in the middle of a fight sucks even harder. I may start looking into other forms of getting cardio in like swimming or boxing.

[Duelist]

Hiked on a local trail last night. G26, Surefire, 2 Spyderco. One extra mag. Tourniquet. OC, Glass break gadget, Dime mini-tool. Saw some deer. Went for Chinese food after - lamb with cumin, fish with crispy rice, Chendu dumplings, Kirin beer. Still had the 26, Surefire, Spyderco, etc.

Ran at the Y treadmill. Spyderco and OC. Photon light. Can't have a gun.

Came home safe from both.

Pick a different gym?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Gym fees are in part paid for by Health Insurance. Such considerations. Might be attacked by Moms and fierce toddlers or other old men. A few posing studs, though.

[RevolverRob]

I actually started running armed, precisely because of aggressive dogs. I was chased one and the next time I was chased the dog got hosed with OC. Outdoor cardio now always involves carrying OC and a blade for me.

I’ve tried multiple times to convince a good friend who runs here in Chi to carry OC. But she “doesn’t like the extra weight”. After two women were sexually assaulted near here on the trail she runs - she at least finally accepted packing a blade. She now runs with an old Hideaway Knife I gave her and setup with an alligator clip on the sheath. It slips easily in the waistband of her running shorts or attached to her sportsbra and stays put. She practices with it enough to have confidence in access, drawing, and basic strikes.

[ragnar_d]

I used to think anyone who talked about "the joy of running" was out of their damn fool mind. When I was younger I hated to run. The Army made me do it, and do it a lot, so I was reasonably good at it but I hated it. Now I suck at it, and I really enjoy it. Odd how perception shifts as you age, I suppose. The extremely repetitive physical motion is part of what I like. It's like chopping wood used to be for me. Sort of a meditation in movement.

I ran a 12:12 minute mile trail running today, 120-ish foot elevation climb. For a good portion of that I couldn't concentrate on anything but my breathing, picturing my lungs as the bellows of a blacksmith's fire. I was acutely aware of my own body in ways I seldom am, and was 100% in the present.

Weight lifting, that's boring to me now. I used to really enjoy weights. Now I enjoy being done...

Kind of the same for me. In the last couple years I've dropped a good bit of weight and decided to run a 5k with my company this spring (first time I ran over 2 miles consecutively, did it in 36:xx). I actually enjoy it quite a bit now and am trying to hit two more goals before the end of this year of consistent 10:00 miles and a sub 30:00 5k. Luckily elevation change isn't a thing in Florida or I'd be smoked.

The only thing is I hate getting my ass up at 0445 to get a run in before the duties of the day start in.

[richiecotite]

Not sure it’s been mentioned, but if your gonna run with an HPG kit bag, the stabilizing strap is totally worth the $8.

[pastaslinger]

First off I'm totally serious, but has anyone done fanny pack carry for jogging/hiking? I feel like it would be passable in those scenarios, more so than the HPG bag

[Duelist]

First off I'm totally serious, but has anyone done fanny pack carry for jogging/hiking? I feel like it would be passable in those scenarios, more so than the HPG bag

Yes. It works fine for hiking. So will most quality belt holsters. Running/jogging, a fanny pack may bounce. Not fun, especially if it’s an all-steel gun and the bag is right in front. It might end up across your chest and one shoulder just so you can finish the run.

I’ve never had a similar problem when using a lightweight gun in a Smartcarry.

[BillSWPA]

First off I'm totally serious, but has anyone done fanny pack carry for jogging/hiking? I feel like it would be passable in those scenarios, more so than the HPG bag

I ran with a fanny pack for years. It is fine if you adjust the strap so it is snug. It is better with a wider strap.



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[Shoresy]

First off I'm totally serious, but has anyone done fanny pack carry for jogging/hiking? I feel like it would be passable in those scenarios, more so than the HPG bag

Yes, with the 5.11 version for running. A few observations.

- works well with a subcompact, relatively lightweight pistol (think Glock 26)
- while I can fit something the size of a metal-frame Sig in there (I think I even managed to get a 92 in there once), the weight gives it enough momentum (and the grip has enough reach) to just lightly tap the boys. Not immediately problematic, but after a half mile, it was time to stop.
- under an untucked XL t shirt, it was barely noticable. This will - for obvious reasons - vary by build
- carrying anything else in the 5.11 is laughable - I could barely get a key fob in the side pocket. Be prepared to find some other means (pocket, etc) if you want to bring cell phone, light, etc

One odd observation - I noticed over a long period that my running gait adjusted to reduce hip movement (and reduce movement of the fanny pack). I'm not sure if that's problematic or not, but the way I run when carrying is a noticably* different stride/gait from when I'm not (even with a smaller pistol)

* Noticable to me. It's probably not noticable to a casual observer, but if you're actively paying attention to how you run so you can improve your performance, this may get under your skin.

[Crazy Dane]

When I started out trail running I used something very similar to this, https://www.rei.com/product/111303/osprey-talon-6-hydration-waistpack-mens and I may very well had the predecessor. The one I had could hold a Commander length 1911, spare mag and a power bar along with a quart water bottle. It was a bit bouncy but tolerable. I no longer run the trails but I'm still out there ruck marching/power hiking. I recently got a Hill People kit bag and I wonder why I waited so long. I've got 25 or so miles with it so far and it has replaced the belt carry I was doing.

If you ever see me running, Please shoot whatever is chasing me because I am out of ammo!

[ViniVidivici]

I've run many miles with a G17 or G23 in a coleman hiking-style fanny pack. Cinched up tight, it works fine.

However, smaller and lighter is what I prefer. Just did 3 miles with a CPX-2 (yes, gasp, mine's been reliable for 300 rnds, ain't broke yet) in a generic Orca clip-on AIWB up front. I run a thin nylon belt around the outside of the shorts at the waist to support it. Works great.

Done it that way with a J-frame in the past, but 10 rnds is more comforting than 5.

[ChaseN]

This is how I prefer to get my exercise
29550

Up until now I've carried a G43 AIWB in a trigger guard style holster. Mayhem Syndicate NOVA shorts and PARADIGM belt. Basically cross fit style board shorts with belt loops, a stretchier material and a stretchy belt. I mostly carry bc of shitty interactions with dogs that have gone after my pup that follows me riding. Super rare and a swift kick to the head has done the trick but I like the insurance (side note, if you only manage to take your dog out into the world one nice day a year, and it's reactive to other dogs, please don't let it off leash).

That said my brother in law and I jumped a bear cub on the trail yesterday. Worst part was there was no option to turn around, and the trail continued to switchback down the mountain below us in the exact direction he ran. So we kept pedaling our asses off looking up the mountain for mama to come barreling out of the woods. Fortunately she didn't. Video of the fuzzy little guy:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AEBw8UqFrTE1wSMu5

Between this and the bikers killed by the cougar in WA state I'm revisiting switching to a small all steel 357 revolver while I ride for some more bite for the furry teethy threat. Initially thinking 640 pro or K6S. My bro in law is going to rig up a bear spray holster to his bike and I feel we'll be as covered as we can be.

[BillSWPA]

This is how I prefer to get my exercise
29550

Up until now I've carried a G43 AIWB in a trigger guard style holster. Mayhem Syndicate NOVA shorts and PARADIGM belt. Basically cross fit style board shorts with belt loops, a stretchier material and a stretchy belt. I mostly carry bc of shitty interactions with dogs that have gone after my pup that follows me riding. Super rare and a swift kick to the head has done the trick but I like the insurance (side note, if you only manage to take your dog out into the world one nice day a year, and it's reactive to other dogs, please don't let it off leash).

That said my brother in law and I jumped a bear cub on the trail yesterday. Worst part was there was no option to turn around, and the trail continued to switchback down the mountain below us in the exact direction he ran. So we kept pedaling our asses off looking up the mountain for mama to come barreling out of the woods. Fortunately she didn't. Video of the fuzzy little guy:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AEBw8UqFrTE1wSMu5

Between this and the bikers killed by the cougar in WA state I'm revisiting switching to a small all steel 357 revolver while I ride for some more bite for the furry teethy threat. Initially thinking 640 pro or K6S. My bro in law is going to rig up a bear spray holster to his bike and I feel we'll be as covered as we can be.

There are two threads worth looking at: GJM’s outdoor pistol threads (he likes HK pistols rated for .45 super, but is generally good with any service caliber with a specific type of high penetration ammo) and the Ruger LCR thread, which contains a video comparing 9mm to a small .357 (in a 2 inch barrel length, .357 is no more powerful than 9mm but is much less pleasant to shoot and thus less accurate).

So, your best bet it to test that penetrator ammo in your G43.



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[Doc_Glock]

So, your best bet it to test that penetrator ammo in your G43.

I would absolutely consider a 9mm LCR
with hard cast 147 grain hardcast solids if I wanted to carry a revolver and weight was a consideration.

But I think 9mm with any standard barrier blind load in a G43 adequate for anything short of brown bear.

For biking, I wear a hydration pack and have used a Safepacker for many many years across much difficult terrain and it is the bomb. Not the fastest access, but less than 3 seconds with practice. Most importantly, if I auger in, the gun will stay attached.

[Leroy Suggs]

If you are expecting bear I would consider a 3" .357 loaded with the Federal 140 XPB.

I expect hogs on some walks and that is what I do.

3" SP-101 , 3" Kimber K6, or 3" M65. Any of those loaded with the Federal XPB would be a good setup.

[fly out]

To me, biking and rowing beat running (okay, jogging) six days a week and twice on Sundays. But...

I've been adding in a modicum of running (okay, jogging), and I've been thinking about this carry issue, and I have two thoughts.

A number of the women I see running around here are wearing a waist belt with a water bottle. I don't recall seeing a man using one, but I'll admit that I pay less attention to running men.

I see men and women using a handheld bottle setup with a small pocket. I bought one from Nathan but it was too small to hold anything ballistic. They make larger ones, but I don't want to keep trying if this has been investigated and ruled out.

So, has anyone modified either of these to hold a j frame? Or seen it done? I'm a strong proponent of looking like the non-toting public, so I'll go for Patagonia over 5.11 most every time. This seems like one of those instances.

[Crazy Dane]

To me, biking and rowing beat running (okay, jogging) six days a week and twice on Sundays. But...

I've been adding in a modicum of running (okay, jogging), and I've been thinking about this carry issue, and I have two thoughts.

A number of the women I see running around here are wearing a waist belt with a water bottle. I don't recall seeing a man using one, but I'll admit that I pay less attention to running men.

I see men and women using a handheld bottle setup with a small pocket. I bought one from Nathan but it was too small to hold anything ballistic. They make larger ones, but I don't want to keep trying if this has been investigated and ruled out.

So, has anyone modified either of these to hold a j frame? Or seen it done? I'm a strong proponent of looking like the non-toting public, so I'll go for Patagonia over 5.11 most every time. This seems like one of those instances.

https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/duro-solo-DUROSOLO_528.html

I don't have any personal experience with this other than trying it on in the store as I've always had larger gear requirements. I definitely think you could get a j-frame or small framed auto in it. I don't know about printing as these are usually made with thinner material. I think it would only be an issue if you stopped to chat up the ladies and one may make a milk jug holster/sheath to reduce the issue.

[mtnbkr]

Yesterday after finishing my workout at the gym, I drove over to the nearby state forest (Conway Robinson for you folks in NoVA) for a bit of trail running. With this thread in mind and recent knife purchase (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28749-Folding-knives-(or-anything-sharp)-pic-thread&p=780527&viewfull=1#post780527), I decided to experiment. I snugged up my shorts a bit and clipped the knife IWB on my left side. Not only did it stay put, it was comfortable. I barely noticed it the entire time. I expected it to drag my shorts down, especially in the rougher sections. Shorts were just cheap nylon weave "athletic" shorts from Walmart. I ran a bit over 3 miles at a slow pace (right at 10min/mile).

So, I suppose I'm good if I can't or won't carry a gun while running. I should also find a small pepper spray to clip on the other side or just carry in hand.

Chris

[JAD]

I know very little about pepper spray, having just taken a short course from Chuck Haggard. One of my conclusions was that little OC cans suck, delivering very little product a very short distance.

[Lost River]

For running in town/at home, I run with my J Frame and a single speed strip. I have a couple methods of carry. One is an old lightweight fanny pack that is rather well made. When running though, I tend to turn it so the bag is more on my side. Plus this lets me get to my MP3 player easier.

The other item I use is my Hill People Gear kit bag. That said, during the hottest months here (June-August) it is often too hot at home to run with it (for me) unless I am at higher elevations. I just empty it of everything but the J Frame, my Mora Eldris (very small fixed blade), phone and MP3 player.


Walking is another story. I tend to walk a lot around our little neighborhood in the evenings with the Minions and Henry the Happy Hound. I tend to at the very minimum carry my J frame (usually pocket carry), or IWB a Glock 9mm. My G30S 45 gets carried a lot too, as it is almost exactly the same size as a G19, and my knuckle dragging side still likes big 230 grain bullets..

Henry is not much of a deterrent even as large as he is. His bark sounds impressive, but he is as vicious as a marshmallow. However Henry's tail is at nutsack height and can drop a grown man when it gets going!

[BillSWPA]

For running in town/at home, I run with my J Frame and a single speed strip. I have a couple methods of carry. One is an old lightweight fanny pack that is rather well made. When running though, I tend to turn it so the bag is more on my side. Plus this lets me get to my MP3 player easier.

The other item I use is my Hill People Gear kit bag. That said, during the hottest months here (June-August) it is often too hot at home to run with it (for me) unless I am at higher elevations. I just empty it of everything but the J Frame, my Mora Eldris (very small fixed blade), phone and MP3 player.


Walking is another story. I tend to walk a lot around our little neighborhood in the evenings with the Minions and Henry the Happy Hound. I tend to at the very minimum carry my J frame (usually pocket carry), or IWB a Glock 9mm. My G30S 45 gets carried a lot too, as it is almost exactly the same size as a G19, and my knuckle dragging side still likes big 230 grain bullets..

Henry is not much of a deterrent even as large as he is. His bark sounds impressive, but he is as vicious as a marshmallow. However Henry's tail is at nutsack height and can drop a grown man when it gets going!

You really want the fanny pack front and center for running so that you don’t have more weight on one side than the other.

Also, leave the MP3 player behind. I have watched people get hit by cars because they were tuned in to their headphones rather than their surroundings. If the first time you realize there is a problem is when a baseball bat connects with your head, the J frame will be of little value.



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[Shawnw]

Anybody have experience with this pack?

https://dikaiadesigns.com/products/crestline

Seems well designed. Access to the pistol seems like it would be much quicker/easier than the hill people chest packs.