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JSGlock34
07-22-2018, 05:12 PM
I've previously written up my experience with the Wilson Combat Protector Elite (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22583-First-1-000-rounds-with-the-Wilson-Combat-Protector-Elite-1911-45), a full size 1911 in .45 ACP. The Protector Elite remains one of my favorite pistols, but over the past year I've found a steady diet of .45 to have become much less enjoyable, particularly on my wrists. Still, my love of the 1911 remained strong, so I found myself perusing the various 9mm 1911 threads and reviewing ToddG's experience with his Springfield Armory 1911. I decided a 9mm 1911 was in my future, and considering my positive experience with the Protector Elite, started looking at Wilson Combat.

The Protector Elite is actually a build exclusive to Sports South (https://www.wilsoncombat.com/sports-south-exclusives) distributors; turns out there is also a 9mm exclusive...the CQB Elite Carry. Like the Protector Elite, I found you get a lot of additional upgrades for your money with the Sports South model, at the expense of customization. The CQB Elite Carry came with a magwell, counter-sunk slide stop, gold bead front sight, and additional slide and barrel work. It also helped that I approved of the color palette; someone at Sports South likes two tone 1911s, and I have this exact color combination on my Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical. Also appealing was the fact that the CQB Elite Carry was available now, and Wilson Combat was quoting 6-9 months for a custom build. Considering my great experience with the last Sports South exclusive I purchased, I reached for my credit card. An order of ETM magazines followed.

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What makes this particular pistol a "Carry" edition compared to the standard CQB Elite? This model uses a reduced size "concealment" beavertail safety and hammer to reduce printing from this area when carried concealed, along with a rounded magwell. The overall effect is to reduce some of the sharp edges that could catch on clothing and print. I noticed that the Wilson Combat Hackathorn Special and Tactical Carry uses this same combination. I was a little skeptical about this feature, but am happy to report that the slightly reduced beavertail is a fine part that makes no difference while shooting.

So how does it shoot? I gathered a variety of ammunition and put the pistol through a variety of favorite drills.

920 rounds of AE Federal 147 grain FMJ
100 rounds of Atlanta Arms Select 147 grain FMJ
100 rounds of Federal Syntech Action Pistol 150 grain
50 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P JHP* (numerous malfunctions on final magazine)
32 rounds of Speer G2 147 grain JHP
20 WWB 115

(CLEANED AT 611 rounds and 1222 rounds)

With FMJ the pistol proved completely reliable, but the last three rounds of the Speer Gold Dot JHP +P ammunition had a number of feeding problems. This was right before the first cleaning, so the pistol was somewhat dirty at this point. When I disassembled the pistol, I found it had a Shok-Buff installed; I wonder whether the combination of +P ammunition and the shorter slide travel proved problematic. Since cleaning the pistol and removing the Shok-Buff there has not been a repeat issue. I've been using the bottle of Ultima Lube II Lite oil that Wilson Combat helpfully provided with the pistol for lubrication.

But aside from this isolated incident, the pistol has been a genuine pleasure to shoot. As others have observed, 9mm 1911s are flat-tracking with low recoil. With the Atlanta Arms Select and Federal Syntech Action Pistol loads, it felt like cheating. I found it easier to maintain my grip through long firing strings with this pistol than any other centerfire pistol I've shot. Combined with the excellent trigger, the pistol is capable of great performance. This is three consecutive runs of 'The Test' - the first run was a personal record (99).

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Accuracy is excellent, and cutting out a 1" square at 7 yards is a routine affair. I still don't think I've unlocked the pistol's full accuracy potential, so in the meantime, here's the 15 yard Wilson Combat test target included with the pistol.

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However, I'm not satisfied with my 25 yard performance; though I've produced the occasional sub-2" group, I find the pistol shoots consistently 3-4" low at this distance, printing just below the B8 bull. I find the gold bead sight requires me to cover the bullseye at 25 yards to print in the black. I've been especially alert to the possibility that I'm dipping the gold bead into the U and not actually shooting the top edge of the sight, but at this point I'm confident that the pistol is sighted low. With my Protector Elite, I split the bull in half, and prefer this sight picture. I'm contemplating sending the slide back to Wilson Combat for installation of a shorter .170 front sight. I'll likely replace the gold bead with a Tritium front, to match the sight picture of my Protector Elite (and Brigadier Tactical for that matter).

The Wilson ETM magazines have proven reliable, though compared to their .45 brethren they are a pain to unload and worse to download. I've found use of a Maglula mandatory to maintain my sanity. I've also picked up a few of the Vickers ETM-V magazines, intending them for carry use. Unfortunately I ordered the ETM-Vs with the massive steel base pads - these are built like a tank but somewhat contrary to the intent of the Elite Carry. I've since swapped the base pads for the aluminum base pads from my .45 ETM-Vs.

All in all, another great pistol from Wilson Combat.

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Arbninftry
07-22-2018, 05:24 PM
Good Choice. That is a nice 1911. I know there are some never 1911ers here, but a good 1911 is hard to beat. Congratulations

Corey
07-22-2018, 07:12 PM
Nice pistol and a good write up on it. Any plans to do a 2000 round test?

JSGlock34
07-22-2018, 07:58 PM
Any plans to do a 2000 round test?

Perhaps - as I've done a few 2,000 round challenges before! On the other hand, Wilson Combat recommends more frequent maintenance of 9mm 1911s. We'll see!

dtrice
07-22-2018, 08:08 PM
Is the elite carry a steel or aluminum frame? Since it's an Elite, can I assume it uses the Bullet-Proof parts? Thanks.

Found online that it is a steel frame.

JSGlock34
07-22-2018, 08:15 PM
Is the elite carry a steel or aluminum frame? Since it's an Elite, can I assume it uses the Bullet-Proof parts? Thanks.

Steel frame with Bullet-proof parts.

M2CattleCo
07-22-2018, 09:57 PM
Super nice! I like the concealment beavertail and I put medium trigger shoes in all my 1911s too.

A good running 9mm 1911 is very rewarding pistol to shoot and a 1911 carries like none other for some of us.

I think Wilson is at the top of the heap when it comes to 9mms. I have almost 6K through my 9mm X-Tac with two stoppages due to deformed cases. It’s not been cleaned but it does stay lubed. It’s a carry gun so it needs to work.

Robinson
07-23-2018, 07:27 AM
Very nice.

EVP
07-23-2018, 08:47 AM
Nice review and nice gun!

What I would like to see is a comparison with the Wilson 1911 and your Brig Tac.

JohnK
07-26-2018, 05:50 AM
Nice write-up and beautiful gun. Every day I fight the urge to go to 9mm because I feel like all of my .45s will never come out of the safe again.

JonInWA
07-26-2018, 11:05 AM
Great, thorough write-up; thanks for taking the time to go into detail for us.

Best, Jon

Wingate's Hairbrush
07-26-2018, 08:29 PM
...Since it's an Elite, can I assume it uses the Bullet-Proof parts? Thanks.Wilson uses its bullet proof parts in all builds, has for years.

JSGlock34
07-29-2018, 01:33 PM
Another 200 rounds of AE 147 grain today, followed by 30 rounds of the Speer 124 grain +P JHP. No problems to report.

Pistol is very controllable; shot the 'HiTs Advanced Super Test (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29173-Week-249-HiTS-Super-Test-and-Advanced-Super-Test)' from concealment and only dropped one round into the 8 ring, so I was pleased. A friend insisted I try the Baer Solutions Standards (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584a1850440243178f980240/t/585df5c32994ca5ee966c4cd/1482552772309/BAER+Standards.pdf) - turns out this is drill is perfect for the 9mm 1911 (10 rounds followed by a slide lock reload).

However, I continue to shoot markedly low at 25 yards, so the slide is on the way to Wilson Combat for a new front sight. I'll update in a few weeks.

JAD
07-29-2018, 01:37 PM
It drives me a little crazy that WC doesn’t (or didn’t, been a while) offer a serrated ramp with tritium. I went with a non-tritium serrated on my one WC build. It’s just fine.

JSGlock34
07-29-2018, 03:10 PM
It drives me a little crazy that WC doesn’t (or didn’t, been a while) offer a serrated ramp with tritium. I went with a non-tritium serrated on my one WC build. It’s just fine.

This is what I plan to have installed...

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/images/367TF170.jpg

...but really, I wish this was available in a thinner .125 width...Wilson Combat/AmeriGlo Snag-Free Front Sight, Green Tritium with Orange Outline, .170" (https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat_AmeriGlo-Snag-Free-Front-Sight-Green-Tritium-with-Orange-Outline-170/productinfo/839OT170/#)

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/images/839_6.jpg

Ok, ideally I'd like that with the yellow/green ring that Ameriglo offers, but you get the point. Both Trijicon and Ameriglo offer high-vis front sights in .122 - .125 widths now - time to expand this option to the Wilson 1911. For that matter, I'd like to see a similar option for the Brigadier Tactical, as the Centurion Tactical already comes standard with a high vis orange front (though I still believe in the less optimal .140 width).

https://www.wilsoncombat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Berretta-Centurion4065.jpg

Bottom line, if Wilson/Ameriglo offered a .125 width high-vis yellow front sight, I'd have three slides on the way to them.

JAD
07-29-2018, 03:17 PM
What you’re ordering is what I prefer on a 1911. Curiously I like Hacks on my Glocks.

Rock185
07-29-2018, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the report. That is a nice one. FWIW, I have experienced the occasional malfunction in 1911, and other pistols, when using a shock buff. I suspect related to the slightly reduced recoil stroke. In any case, much as I like the idea of cushioning the slide impact, I don't use them anymore, and those occasional malfunctions have not reoccurred.

BTW, My "mature" eyes prefer a thinner front too, so as to have more light around the front sight. I have .100" and .110" fronts on some of my 1911s....

JSGlock34
08-18-2018, 05:43 PM
However, I continue to shoot markedly low at 25 yards, so the slide is on the way to Wilson Combat for a new front sight. I'll update in a few weeks.

Sent the slide to Wilson Combat; they replaced the .190 Gold Bead with a .170 Tritium front sight and had it back to me in a week. Terrific customer service and turn around. I shot the pistol earlier today - the sights are now properly regulated.

JSGlock34
09-02-2018, 03:20 PM
Shot a personal record on The Test (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26801-Week-225-The-Test) with the CQB Elite Carry today - 100-5X (from concealment). Ammunition was American Eagle 147 grain FMJ.

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StraitR
09-02-2018, 03:26 PM
Nice shooting. So, the sight change, from gold bead to tritium, didn't have any ill effects. Did you paint it, or leave it as is?

I really want to send my slide back to get one of those Ameriglo's.

JSGlock34
09-02-2018, 03:34 PM
No issues with the sight change, but I do wish a .125" high-vis was an option. The tritium certainly doesn't 'pop' for me, but I haven't painted the sight. Yet.

I hope Wilson Combat and Ameriglo continue their collaboration and offer more front sight options for the 1911 and Beretta 92. I have a number of pistols I would send in.

LSP552
09-02-2018, 06:03 PM
No issues with the sight change, but I do wish a .125" high-vis was an option. The tritium certainly doesn't 'pop' for me, but I haven't painted the sight. Yet.

I hope Wilson Combat and Ameriglo continue their collaboration and offer more front sight options for the 1911 and Beretta 92. I have a number of pistols I would send in.

The lack of a hi-vis trit front is why my Wilson 92BT is getting safe time and the 226R isn’t.

StraitR
09-02-2018, 06:05 PM
No issues with the sight change, but I do wish a .125" high-vis was an option. The tritium certainly doesn't 'pop' for me, but I haven't painted the sight. Yet.

I hope Wilson Combat and Ameriglo continue their collaboration and offer more front sight options for the 1911 and Beretta 92. I have a number of pistols I would send in.

Nice. I too, would like to see a thinner offering.

03RN
09-02-2018, 09:42 PM
Very nice looking gun

JSGlock34
09-29-2018, 06:35 PM
As detailed in the 1911 in 9mm. What's the best? (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32769-1911-in-9mm-What%92s-the-best&p=788575&viewfull=1#post788575) thread, I went through a short rough patch with the pistol, marked by a number of FRTB malfunctions. Slide velocity seemed sluggish, and a field-strip revealed the pistol was dry and dirty. I replaced the factory 12.5# conventional chrome silicon spring with a 13# Wilson flat wire kit, and replaced the Wilson Lite Oil with Slip 2000 EWL. The pistol has now fired over 1,000 problem-free rounds (mostly 115 and 147 grain AE FMJ) since the last time it was field-stripped, the only maintenance being a wipe of the feed ramp and a drop of oil on the barrel hood.

It continues to shoot great - I scored a 100-3X on "The Test" tonight (close to the PR previously reported in the thread) from concealment. I've been trying to master the other components of the HiTs Advanced Super Test (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29173-Week-249-HiTS-Super-Test-and-Advanced-Super-Test); at five yards the low recoil of the pistol makes for easy front sight tracking, and I'm able to keep all the rounds in the black. I keep throwing a round into the white at 15 yards, so I need to spend more time on that segment. As the vast majority of my practice is confined to an indoor range, there are times when use of a timer is simply not practical (like tonight when there was an enthusiastic SBR owner in the adjacent lane). However, these are easy to set up with the timed blading targets available on each lane, and as these are all 10 round drills, they're a perfect match for a 9mm 1911.

I need to invest more time in reloading; my 1911 reloads are nowhere near as fast or as smooth as my Glock reloads. I need to spend some time on Burkett drills.

This is a great pistol.

M2CattleCo
09-30-2018, 09:34 AM
Can you tell any difference between the round 12.5 and the flat 13# springs?

Wilson claims 20K service life from the CS round springs. I have over 7K on a 12.5 and it's the same length as one with a couple hundred rounds on it.

I also nothing but great things to say about Slip 2000 stuff.

JSGlock34
09-30-2018, 11:18 AM
Can you tell any difference between the round 12.5 and the flat 13# springs?

Wilson claims 20K service life from the CS round springs. I have over 7K on a 12.5 and it's the same length as one with a couple hundred rounds on it.

I also nothing but great things to say about Slip 2000 stuff.

The flat-wire feels more consistent than the CS throughout the recoil cycle - it definitely seems to have more power when returning to battery. There's no sense of the slide starting to lose velocity as the firing session continues and the pistol gets dirty. Some of that is surely due to using a slightly heavier spring, and some of it to the change in lube, but my sense is that the supposed increase in closing pressure attributed to a flat-wire spring is an actual thing. Interestingly, ToddG was actually running a 15# flat-wire spring (http://pistol-training.com/archives/8763)towards the end of his Springfield 1911 test because he found the 13# insufficient to feed some ammunition from slide lock. I'm finding no such issue with the 13#.

I'll note that I don't think flat-wire springs are a solution to everything and I certainly wouldn't fix what isn't broken...I did exactly that and learned my lesson when I installed a flat-wire kit in my Wilson Protector Elite .45 looking to reap the maintenance benefits and found it caused problems.

1911s can be fickle.