Unity Tactical Clutch

[jnc36rcpd]

Is anyone using the Unity Tactical Clutch system? If so, what are you using it for and how is it working? It seems pretty decent, but is spendy for a better belly band that requires Kydex inserts. Thanks and be safe.

[Jermzzzzzzz]

I’ve been using mine for a few months now, been using it for when I go running. My loadout for it is a Glock 19 in a Zorn Skinny Rig, K-Bar TDI, and a spare mag in a bravo concealment mag holder, the belt comes with enough Velcro for a holster and a few pouches, there are also inserts available for what I think is overpriced. Great peace of kit in my opinion, well made, haven’t been able to use it as a traditional battle belt yet however.

[krax]

I use one professionally, either to augment a minimal loadout or to move rapidly between fully kitted and slick while wearing a suit or similar.

It's a niche item, and the only one of it's kind so there's no competition driving the price down. Fortunately, it's made extremely well and once you examine the amount of design work and intricate sewing, the $140 price tag makes sense.

I haven't tried it yet, but it's probably a great way to carry under a track suit.

[vandal]

For running is it worn under the shorts, over the shorts, low, high, appendix or 3:00? I tried the ICE/Crossbreed Holsters belly band and even with a G43 there was a lot of printing going on but I was trying to keep with appendix. Maybe I should use it for 3:00. Would like to run with my PPS Classic.

[Dagga Boy]

I have two. One loaded to the gills I used professionally in a discrete work environment. I have another set up very light for use over basketball shorts or work out clothes. They are expensive but excellent.

[Dave Williams]

Have you guys with the clutch seen the TRUSS? Any ideas how they compare?

https://specgear.com/product/truss-holster/

[Dagga Boy]

Have you guys with the clutch seen the TRUSS? Any ideas how they compare?

https://specgear.com/product/truss-holster/

Right out of the gate, it looks way too high. I wear my Unity full load rig over the pants belt. It has a JM custom holster at 3:00 and it is smoking fast to work from. My lightweight rig is a size smaller and worn without a belt and it is also super fast and easy to access.

[jnc36rcpd]

Like Dagga, I can picture a couple different uses for this. First, I assume you guys feel this would be a better choice than a bellyband for workouts. Secondly, does it work well with soft body armor?
Thanks.

[runcible]

The Clutch with a Kydex insert will outperform the TRUSS in every metric except for cost. The TRUSS is a starter rig at best, that occasionally gets fixated on out of the absence of other related options.

The best and most dedicated users of the TRUSS both have few alternatives and use it very much in a manner other than the intended.

You can mod a TRUSS to have a less egregious cant and you can mod it to accept a kydex insert; but you can’t mod it past the effective lifespan of knit elastic. With 6-12 months of effective lifespan predicated on the heat and humidity involved, in 2 years the cost difference equals out with the Clutch, possibly to include the kydex insert(s).

Buying a Clutch and components up front will save quite a bit in the long run... and present less of a hygiene concern just from the material selection.

[krax]

Have you guys with the clutch seen the TRUSS? Any ideas how they compare?

https://specgear.com/product/truss-holster/

The TRUSS sort of looks like garbage, but so do most belly bands for whatever reason. I think there's middle ground between cheap belly bands and the Clutch, but I think maybe not enough people "get" how to use a belly band well. If I needed/wanted to wear the Clutch that high with suspenders, it wouldn't be all that hard to velcro suspenders in

DB, do you carry med stuff on your work Clutch, and if so, how? I use a couple small zipper cases, but I'd love to find a better solution.

[Dagga Boy]

Here is my “working rig”. From bottom to top....
First pouch: this is secured under the attachment part in the front. CPR mask, uncoated asprin, Combat gauze.
Second pouch: Strider custom fixed Karambit.
Third pouch: PX4 20 round magazine and Surefire light
Fourth pouch: tourniquet
Fifth Pouch: gunshot bleeder stuff
Sixth pouch: handcuffs
Seventh pouch PX4CC in JM kydex holster
Eighth pouch badge and folding knife.

I wear this over a Mean Gene leather belt and have an M&P340 in my strong pocket and a Surefire E2D in the opposite pocket, and a Watson Gambia in SM100 as a neck knife, so if I have to ditch the CLUTCH I still have a gun, knife and light. I ll often move the folder and a pen to lower pockets depending on pants.

Basically, this holds a ton of stuff and I was working over 14 hours a day in it.

[Dagga Boy]

This is my lightweight rig. Probably overkill for what I am carrying, but comfortable and works really well for either exercise or just no belt athletic clothes carry.

[Redhat]

This is my lightweight rig. Probably overkill for what I am carrying, but comfortable and works really well for either exercise or just no belt athletic clothes carry.

Interesting...looks something like a bandoleer. A couple of questions:

How is the handgun secured in the pocket?

What do those drawstrings do?

[GJM]

This is my lightweight rig. Probably overkill for what I am carrying, but comfortable and works really well for either exercise or just no belt athletic clothes carry.

Is this concealable under a t shirt, or does it require a lot more? Wondering about this versus a clip AIWB.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I’ve got one. Waiting on a holster to start working with it.

[Dagga Boy]

Interesting...looks something like a bandoleer. A couple of questions:

How is the handgun secured in the pocket?

What do those drawstrings do?

It has Velcro inside the pockets and you attach Velcro to a kydex holster and it locks in. Looks weird when flat, but when it is wrapped around the waist it offers a great grip on the pistol.
The drawstrings help adjust to size.

[Dagga Boy]

Is this concealable under a t shirt, or does it require a lot more? Wondering about this versus a clip AIWB.

The lightweight one I have is usually concealed under a big t short with no issue. I use the big one under Duluth polos or work shirts.

[Clusterfrack]

How secure is the closure? How likely is it to get ripped off while grappling?

[Dagga Boy]

It is sandwiched in a ton of Velcro. I have full confidence it will stay put. The thing is really overbuilt and designed for professional use.

[krax]

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Left to right (or counterclockwise as worn): Battle Systems marker panel in the admin pouch; 2x Glock mags; M4 mag and a key hook; M4 mag; pouch w/chest seals, dart, mini EMT shears, NPA, gloves; pouch w/combat gauze, gauze, Ace wrap; empty cell; empty cell that sometimes has a Perun LC holster; SOFTW.

[t1tan]

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Left to right (or counterclockwise as worn): Battle Systems marker panel in the admin pouch; 2x Glock mags; M4 mag and a key hook; M4 mag; pouch w/chest seals, dart, mini EMT shears, NPA, gloves; pouch w/combat gauze, gauze, Ace wrap; empty cell; empty cell that sometimes has a Perun LC holster; SOFTW.

mind adding a pic showing with the perun in the cell?

[krax]

mind adding a pic showing with the perun in the cell?

I physically can't at the moment. Sorry. If you've seen the video that Unity made a while ago to showcase the Clutch then you can get an idea of what it would look like.

I can tell you that I had to remove the belt loops from the Perun to make it fit and that you've got to work with the hook velcro to get it to conform to the shape of the holster.

[El Cid]

Has anyone used a holster for a G34 with an X300 or similar? I'm looking to get one of these as a bedside kit. For 99% of the time the pistol I'd keep in it will be a G17, but I'd like to install a holster that allows me to use any of my Glocks that mount a light. In the photos it appears there is stitching that would limit the gun length, but leaves an opening for a WML.

Thanks!

[blues]

I got nothing to add to the discussion but in light of all the threads about religion and atheism, I keep reading the title of this thread as:

Unity Tactical Church

[Redhat]

I got nothing to add to the discussion but in light of all the threads about religion and atheism, I keep reading the title of this thread as:

Unity Tactical Church

That might be a Divine "clue"

[blues]

That might be a Divine "clue"

Well, considering that I'm probably the only agnostic on this board convinced he saw an angel when he was a kid...


Unity Tactical Church: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!



Sorry for the diversion. I just thought it was funny that for the last couple of days without fail, every time I see this thread I read the title that way. I didn't mean to sidetrack the discussion.

[Redhat]

Well, considering that I'm probably the only agnostic on this board convinced he saw an angel when he was a kid...


Unity Tactical Church: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!



Sorry for the diversion. I just thought it was funny that for the last couple of days without fail, every time I see this thread I read the title that way. I didn't mean to sidetrack the discussion.

Through perfect practice, you may have created neural pathways leading to a severe case of target fixation!

What I don't get is why they call it a "clutch"...isn't it more of a low profile battle belt?

[krax]

Has anyone used a holster for a G34 with an X300 or similar? I'm looking to get one of these as a bedside kit. For 99% of the time the pistol I'd keep in it will be a G17, but I'd like to install a holster that allows me to use any of my Glocks that mount a light. In the photos it appears there is stitching that would limit the gun length, but leaves an opening for a WML.

Thanks!
The two cells that end up on the hips are closed at the bottom with velcro so that they can be opened up and allow a holster to pass through. I'm sorry I can't get a photo right now, but I fit a Perun LC with the hardware removed into one of those cells.

The Perun and Safariland light-bearing holsters work with the Clutch. Wide holsters like the Phantom won't.

[El Cid]

The two cells that end up on the hips are closed at the bottom with velcro so that they can be opened up and allow a holster to pass through. I'm sorry I can't get a photo right now, but I fit a Perun LC with the hardware removed into one of those cells.

The Perun and Safariland light-bearing holsters work with the Clutch. Wide holsters like the Phantom won't.

Good info - thanks!

[El Cid]

Mine is just about ready for nightstand duty. I still need to figure out which hand held light I’ll use and which IFAK/TQ. The ALS holster with work with any G17/19/34 and X300U.

https://i.imgur.com/jljHMAV_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

The knife is Entrek, the pistol mag pouch is G-code, and the AR mag pouch Safariland.

https://i.imgur.com/7akjsQ3_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[TAZ]

Mine is just about ready for nightstand duty. I still need to figure out which hand held light I’ll use and which IFAK/TQ. The ALS holster with work with any G17/19/34 and X300U.

https://i.imgur.com/jljHMAV_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

The knife is Entrek, the pistol mag pouch is G-code, and the AR mag pouch Safariland.

https://i.imgur.com/7akjsQ3_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Holy crap Batman. I’m starting a gofundme page to help you move out of whatever neighborhood you live in.

Looks more like a duty rig than nightstand. Have you worn it yet to assess comfort? Looks like that would a decent active shooter rig.

[El Cid]

Holy crap Batman. I’m starting a gofundme page to help you move out of whatever neighborhood you live in.

Looks more like a duty rig than nightstand. Have you worn it yet to assess comfort? Looks like that would a decent active shooter rig.

Lol! Not that bad but if you send me money I promise to use it for practice ammo.

The Clutch is for when there is little notice/time to react. It works no matter what I’m wearing.

[TAZ]

I’ve been contemplating one or something similar for a few tasks. 1 would be for edc carry when wearing clothes without a belt (sweats, shirts...) 2 would be for a go bag, trunk or match setting using a PCC.

[TheBigCountry]

I have one set up for a nightstand belt also, but have found it works great for training classes too. You can wear it concealed or open carry, and it feels a bit safer when carrying appendix since you're actually outside of your pants. I've even squeezed a wedge into the cell attached to my holster which really tucks the grip and points the muzzle away from the body for appendix.

[Le Français]

Does anyone know if the Clutch works well when worn with concealed soft body armor?

For those who wear the Clutch at traditional belt level, does it impede the use of the front pockets of your pants/shorts? If so, do you find that there is enough room in the Clutch to hold the items you’d otherwise place in those pockets?

Thanks. I’m envisioning this for use on duty in a plainclothes, low profile, armored capacity.

[krax]

Does anyone know if the Clutch works well when worn with concealed soft body armor?

For those who wear the Clutch at traditional belt level, does it impede the use of the front pockets of your pants/shorts? If so, do you find that there is enough room in the Clutch to hold the items you’d otherwise place in those pockets?

Thanks. I’m envisioning this for use on duty in a plainclothes, low profile, armored capacity.

I haven't worn mine with a soft armor vest or over a vest, but used it extensively at belt level in conjuction with low-vis plate carriers. The Clutch can impede access to your pants pockets depending on what's in the cells. If you have critical items in your pockets that aren't duplicated with the Clutch, you'll need to have a plan to transfer them. That's why I have that key hook on mine.

I won't pretend to know exactly how a Clutch would work for pain-clothes LE, but it's probably the only good way to layer a "war belt" over a lightly loaded belt or concealed rig. I have to wonder if a loaded-out plate carrier wouldn't work better for your needs though.

[Le Français]

Thanks, krax. The loaded-out carrier has its place, but not in a day-to-day low-vis plainclothes outfit. I take it the plates you wore didn’t get in the way of the Clutch?


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[krax]

They do not, but generally plates wouldn't interfere with the Clutch anyway since it's just a stretchy belt.

[Erick Gelhaus]

An attempt at getting Clutch-specific holster & pistol mag pouches didn't come to fruition. I did pick-up, at better than 1/2 off, Blade-Tech double pistol and single AR mag pouches that'll go into mine. Still need to find a holster. The Safariland 7TS idea makes sense.

[hfrog355]

Bumping this from way into the future to assess how people have liked their Clutch.

I'm looking into belly band type holsters for the first time. This seems like it may be a bit overkill for my concealed EDC uses, but it has a good though limited review history. I'm looking for a way to carry concealed with a golf shirt or button up tucked in with no jacket or outer garment.

[Grouse870]

https://www.safariland.com/products/holsters-and-gear/holsters/concealable-holsters/belt-slide/model-5197-open-top-concealment-belt-loop-holster-with-detent-30576.html
This might work for the clutch. I just picked one of these up for my training/ 2 gun rig. Works well and pretty cheap if it doesn’t work plus it works with the QLS.

[Dagga Boy]

Bumping this from way into the future to assess how people have liked their Clutch.

I'm looking into belly band type holsters for the first time. This seems like it may be a bit overkill for my concealed EDC uses, but it has a good though limited review history. I'm looking for a way to carry concealed with a golf shirt or button up tucked in with no jacket or outer garment.

I still love mine for both applications I use them for.

[hfrog355]

I still love mine for both applications I use them for.

I saw your pictures of the loadouts on page one. Do you have any success carrying the lightweight load wearing slacks or professional clothes? My main concern is non-permissive environments with exposed waistlines. I don't mind having my shirt be a little baggy, but I do have to keep it tucked in.

[Le Français]

My Clutch (Size SM) has worked well for me for plainclothes work. It can hold a lot of gear (G26, 22-round spare, handcuffs, tourniquet, cred wallet, and flashlight). And, there’s still room after that if needed.

With traditional jeans or other pants with similar pockets, it comes close to blocking the front pockets, but everything is still accessible with some digging.

With cargo pants or other pants with “slash” pockets that angle down steeply, access to the pockets is entirely unhindered.

I find that not having an non-slip patch on the back of the cell that has an elastic cord (which I never tighten) seems to contribute to the Clutch riding up sometimes. I reached out to Unity Tactical, and they sent me a spare patch to attach myself, which was cool of them.

A note on holsters: I’ve read/heard that pancake style holsters are the one type that doesn’t work with the Clutch. I’ve found the opposite to be true. The Raven Phantom (non-light carrying) that I’m using fits perfectly in the pocket, filling it up and reducing the risk of sagging/tilting which can be an issue with narrower holsters that don’t fill the pocket and don’t have a square shape. I still use hook-and-loop to hold it in there, of course.

For the spare mag, I use a Glock-brand mag pouch, and stuck it in a pocket with hook-and-loop. It works very well.

[Wake27]

I assume everyone wears the holster at 3:00? The grip of my G19 is printing like crazy with mine.

[JCS]

For those that are running these what are you using for inserts for non gun items like a flashlight and magazine? $40 for the inserts seemed a bit much.

[masternave]

I confess to have only used mine on some limited range shooting… I haven't done a class that needed it since purchasing.

It always has a flashlight, a couple pistol reloads in their low profile pouches, a rifle mag in a ITW fastmag, a small dark angel medical kit held in by one of their attachment kits, a TQ squeezed in the "expansion area" with the shock cord in the back. I have an old raven eidolon at 3 o clock, though I also have a perun for that purpose too. I like the idea of being able to throw all that on regardless of my pant status, and still have room for the phone dialing 911 and such.

I dumped all my warbelt gear (save some BFG belt pouches) and just have this rolled up near the carbine. So far I really like it.

[rca90gsx]

How is the sizing accuracy on these?


I confess to have only used mine on some limited range shooting… I haven't done a class that needed it since purchasing.

It always has a flashlight, a couple pistol reloads in their low profile pouches, a rifle mag in a ITW fastmag, a small dark angel medical kit held in by one of their attachment kits, a TQ squeezed in the "expansion area" with the shock cord in the back. I have an old raven eidolon at 3 o clock, though I also have a perun for that purpose too. I like the idea of being able to throw all that on regardless of my pant status, and still have room for the phone dialing 911 and such.

I dumped all my warbelt gear (save some BFG belt pouches) and just have this rolled up near the carbine. So far I really like it.

[masternave]

I emailed their rep… he was very helpful.

It depends on how much gear you intend to pack into it. If you just want to use it like belly band, then I’d need a small. I got a medium for the rifle mags.

[snow white]

I used my clutch belt in a primary to secondary transition class two or three weeks ago and it performed flawlessly. No riding up on my waist or anything. I have a two day Jared reston class next week where I plan on using the clutch, I'll update after the class to let yall know how it performs.

Edit: as a point of reference I run 3 fast mags for my rifle mags and two g-code pouches for my pistol mags. Then typically a pen and notepad in the administrative pocket at 12:00.

[JCS]

What about pistol holsters? I'm trying to set it up for a 365xl and it appears raven doesn't make the perun for it yet. Looking for a fairly inexpensive option.

[snow white]

What about pistol holsters? I'm trying to set it up for a 365xl and it appears raven doesn't make the perun for it yet. Looking for a fairly inexpensive option.

I was on the same hunt concerning my px4cc. I went with concielment Express, I was looking for somthing fairly inexpensive but also quality molded kydex for the hard shell that is so important in the clutch belt. I took the hardware off the holster and attached velcro.
No complaints about the holster at all.
Turnaround time was fast.

[masternave]

I’ll assert that holsters conceal well in the clutch where they conceal well on you.

If you don’t care about concealment, then any ol’ kydex shape will accept some adhesive loop pad and be g2g.

I also really like that you could throw on the clutch over your existing concealment EDC. It’s part of the reason I have the eidolon shell at 3. Since I carry at appendix, then there’s nothing there to conflict if I throw it on over. I can rip out the holster I decide to not need… but I like the ability to ammo-up without changing anything whether I’m wearing normal stuff or not.

[JCS]

I’ll assert that holsters conceal well in the clutch where they conceal well on you.

If you don’t care about concealment, then any ol’ kydex shape will accept some adhesive loop pad and be g2g.

I also really like that you could throw on the clutch over your existing concealment EDC. It’s part of the reason I have the eidolon shell at 3. Since I carry at appendix, then there’s nothing there to conflict if I throw it on over. I can rip out the holster I decide to not need… but I like the ability to ammo-up without changing anything whether I’m wearing normal stuff or not.

This is kind of what I was wondering about. I just used a shell kydex holster at the appendix position and it printed noticeably. I'm wondering if I need to pony up for an aiwb holster for it.

[Caballoflaco]

This is kind of what I was wondering about. I just used a shell kydex holster at the appendix position and it printed noticeably. I'm wondering if I need to pony up for an aiwb holster for it.

You could always make your own foam wedge to see if it might be worthwhile to order a new holster.

I know there are some diy wedge and “pillow” posts on the site.

[krax]

Bumping this from way into the future to assess how people have liked their Clutch.

I'm looking into belly band type holsters for the first time. This seems like it may be a bit overkill for my concealed EDC uses, but it has a good though limited review history. I'm looking for a way to carry concealed with a golf shirt or button up tucked in with no jacket or outer garment.

I'm still liking mine for it's intended purpose. I'll probably get another when they're back in stock.

I don't think it's the best option for carrying under a tucked-in shirt. (And I don't know what is, especially with any kind of flattering cut of shirt.)

I think it's greatest strength is in it's ability to layer over a concealed/EDC setup and it may even be more practical than a lot of the "war belts" guys are setting up. It's greatest weakness is price (totally worth it, but more than a belt) and availability.

Like much of Unity's lineup, it's sort of a niche product, but it's the best in it's own (small) category.

[theJanitor]

I think it's greatest strength is in it's ability to layer over a concealed/EDC setup and it may even be more practical than a lot of the "war belts" guys are setting up.

I’m in the middle of a gear re-do, and the clutch took priority over the war-belt.

It’s not a true concealment system, as carrying a real load out under a shirt will look weird. But under a windbreaker and a button-up you could easily move through a riot or a busy event and not get noticed. That’s what I set mine up for.

[senorlechero]

What’s everyone using for an ifak in their clutch? I need to add a TQ to this and get some range time with it.

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[snow white]

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My current set up with the clutch. I use fast mags for the rifle magazines and g-code for the pistol. Usually keep a small notebook and pen in the utility pocket as well. My med equipment is kept around my ankle in a ryker gear ankle kit so I haven't allocated any space for tourniquets...that may change soon tho. I also used to keep a dump pouch but removed it a while ago. I think i may buy one of the Blueforce gear dumps and add that. Im a big fan of the clutch belt. The only thing that gets me sometimes is the extra height of the pistol on my body sometimes goofing up my draw but that is a me issue not a gear issue.

[KPD]

I still really like mine. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a second one if/when I need one. It has held up well and stays put.

[LOKNLOD]

I use fast mags for the rifle magazines and g-code for the pistol.

Looking to set on of these up and I'd be curious what others might be using as a pistol/rifle inserts. Fast mags look like a prime contender for rifle.

[Wake27]

Maybe I need to do more research into how people set these up and maybe find a more dedicated holster but I hate this thing. I can't conceal any of my pistols in it because of how much the grip sticks out. My only spare holster that will work with it is a Perun and its a junk setup, though somehow others seem to make it work.

[snow white]

Looking to set on of these up and I'd be curious what others might be using as a pistol/rifle inserts. Fast mags look like a prime contender for rifle.
Fast mags work well for this because
1. Good retention
2. The fastmag has a solid spot to put the velcro on.

[JCS]

I've been wearing one of these for the past several months with a sig p365 and 12 rd magazine. Oddly I struggled with printing carrying appendix but it conceals really well strong side. That has taken some getting used to as I've strictly been an appendix guy. This is the most comfortable method of carrying a pistol I've found to date. I'd highly recommend it for anyone that struggles with chronic back pain and has issues carrying on the belt line for long periods of time. I'm just using a raven holster for it. I'm also using a foam wedge at the bottom to help the grip tucked in. I usually just carry a pistol and a surefire light in it. I just need to find a double mag pouch or something similar so I can carry a mag and a light.

This thing is expensive but imo it's 100% worth it. It's very high quality.

[senorlechero]

Looking to set on of these up and I'd be curious what others might be using as a pistol/rifle inserts. Fast mags look like a prime contender for rifle.

I went with Bladetech pistol pouch, it’s flat on the back and is cheap but well made. And Safariland AR mag pouch for the same reasons. $17 per pouch vs $30+

[El Cid]

Maybe I need to do more research into how people set these up and maybe find a more dedicated holster but I hate this thing. I can't conceal any of my pistols in it because of how much the grip sticks out. My only spare holster that will work with it is a Perun and its a junk setup, though somehow others seem to make it work.

Well full disclosure I don’t use mine for concealment. It’s in a nightstand for bumps in the night.

[krax]

What’s everyone using for an ifak in their clutch? I need to add a TQ to this and get some range time with it.



I divided my IFAK into two small zip pouches (pencil case/tool pouch/Daka) that fit into the cells. One is "M" (minus a TQ) and the other is "ARCH". I use a Titan Tactical elastic hanger for a TQ, and can add a second one in an empty cell using Unity's elastic insert.

[krax]

Maybe I need to do more research into how people set these up and maybe find a more dedicated holster but I hate this thing. I can't conceal any of my pistols in it because of how much the grip sticks out. My only spare holster that will work with it is a Perun and its a junk setup, though somehow others seem to make it work.

What size is it? :D

[theJanitor]

Looking to set on of these up and I'd be curious what others might be using as a pistol/rifle inserts. Fast mags look like a prime contender for rifle.

I went with BFG 10Speeds for the rifle and pistol mags. They are TIGHT and re-inserting the mags are next to impossible. But that's OK, as I'm not treating this as a battle belt, and they provide for the slimmest profile, AND they lie flat when empty. If I download the Clutch or expend mags, the whole thing gets smaller. And if I end up on the ground, it hurts less with soft pouches.

If I were setting this up as a nightstand rig, I'd surely be running FastMags or some kydex

[JCS]

Maybe I need to do more research into how people set these up and maybe find a more dedicated holster but I hate this thing. I can't conceal any of my pistols in it because of how much the grip sticks out. My only spare holster that will work with it is a Perun and its a junk setup, though somehow others seem to make it work.

What carry position are you using it? I have messed around quite a bit to make it concealable. I couldn’t get it to conceal enough appendix. Using a wedge at the 3 o clock position I can wear it under a single layer shirt. I’m a thin build.

[LOKNLOD]

I went with BFG 10Speeds for the rifle and pistol mags. They are TIGHT and re-inserting the mags are next to impossible. But that's OK, as I'm not treating this as a battle belt, and they provide for the slimmest profile, AND they lie flat when empty. If I download the Clutch or expend mags, the whole thing gets smaller. And if I end up on the ground, it hurts less with soft pouches.

If I were setting this up as a nightstand rig, I'd surely be running FastMags or some kydex

I got mine in the mail the night before leaving for vacation, so I haven't messed with it much. My intent for is is to be a lower profile battle belt so i'd like to be able to reinsert a fresh mag or a coming off a reload with retention. I went ahead and grabbed some fastmags for the rifle but haven't settled on the pistol yet. I really like the 10-sped stuff but you're right they're really tough to insert one-handed especially if you aren't looking directly at it.

[masternave]

Spotted via Soldier Systems Daily…

Vertx is making lower cost ones, including this interesting sort of "fannypack" for working out?

https://vertx.com/runners-clutch-belt

[JCS]

Has anyone found a good pouch for a flashlight? I’d like to figure out how to run a spare mag and flashlight in it.

[Blades]

Has anyone found a good pouch for a flashlight? I’d like to figure out how to run a spare mag and flashlight in it.

What about Blue Force Gear "Pistol Belt Pouch? (https://www.blueforcegear.com/single-pistol-belt-pouch.html)"

[JCS]

What about Blue Force Gear "Pistol Belt Pouch? (https://www.blueforcegear.com/single-pistol-belt-pouch.html)"

Thank you. That’s what I was looking for my mind was going blank.

[Radar Love]

Vertx is making lower cost ones, including this interesting sort of "fannypack" for working out?

I have one on the way and plan on using it for trail running. I’ll report back once I try it out.

[Blades]

How is the sizing on these? I wear between a 36-38 waist pant/jean so I am thinking the medium will work, but I read on here that when the pouches are loaded the larger size is preferred. I don't need one, but I saw the Vertx one at Gall's for $68.00.

[dontshakepandas]

How is the sizing on these? I wear between a 36-38 waist pant/jean so I am thinking the medium will work, but I read on here that when the pouches are loaded the larger size is preferred. I don't need one, but I saw the Vertx one at Gall's for $68.00.

You’ll probably be good with a medium.

[theJanitor]

How is the sizing on these? I wear between a 36-38 waist pant/jean so I am thinking the medium will work, but I read on here that when the pouches are loaded the larger size is preferred. I don't need one, but I saw the Vertx one at Gall's for $68.00.

I guess it depends what you put in it. A full load (mags, TQ, med, full size pistol with WML, handheld light, knife, etc) makes the medium a touch small for my 35” waist.