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NH Shooter
06-26-2018, 06:36 PM
Looks like the rumors are true - Malkoff is slowly rolling out some new products!

New on the Malkoff website today and promoted as a tactical use light are the MDC Bodyguard Flashlight (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/mdc-bodyguard) and MDC Bodyguard head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head). The Bodyguard head looks just like the Malkoff E2 heads designed primarily for WMLs with one important difference - the Bodyguard appears to be designed specifically for hand held EDC lights. The Malkoff website states that the Bodyguard uses a TIR lens "for a good balance of spot and spill."

The specs on the head look like this;


Designed to run on either a single CR123, two CR123s or a single Li-ion rechargeable cell
The output always starts on maximum, rolls off slightly within a few seconds and holds that high output for 10 seconds, then drops to a medium continuous output
A quick off-on of the switch resets the light to maximum and starts the cycle again


Output specs as follows;


Single CR123 - 450 lumens momentary, 375 lumens for 10 seconds, then 150 lumens continuous
Single Li-ion cell - 600 lumens momentary, 550 lumens for 10 seconds, then 150 lumens continuous
Two CR123s - 900 lumens momentary, 750 lumens for 10 seconds, then 180 lumens continuous



It's obvious this head will work the best with a MDC 2-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only) that will accept either a pair of CR123 batteries or a high capacity 16650 LI-ion cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16650-keeppower-2500mah-sanyo-ur16650zta-protected-button-top.html) for maximum run time. Impressive output for a small EDC light!

I like the programming of the light, starting in what could be described as a turbo mode then ramping down to a very useful 150 - 180 lumens. This make a lot of sense for a self-defense light as short bursts are typically how they are used. The more I thought about this unique operation the more it appealed to me. Needless to say I could not resist and have a Bodyguard head inbound to use on my 2-CR123 body. I will report back this weekend after I receive the head and have a chance to check it out.

JCS
06-26-2018, 07:10 PM
That ring on it is a real bummer. Maybe you can tell me if you can pair the head with a different body and still get the same output modes?

NH Shooter
06-26-2018, 07:14 PM
That ring on it is a real bummer. Maybe you can tell me if you can pair the head with a different body and still get the same output modes?

Yes, can do! Just buy the Bodyguard head and use it with either the 1-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only) or the 2-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only).

blues
06-26-2018, 07:43 PM
I'll be interested to see your review, NH. Right now, I still default to my Surefire 6z or E2e, (with Malkoff drop-in and head respectively), for such usage. A little longer to carry but I've owned them for years and Malkoff breathed new life into them a few years back.

NH Shooter
06-27-2018, 03:46 AM
I'll be interested to see your review, NH. Right now, I still default to my Surefire 6z or E2e, (with Malkoff drop-in and head respectively), for such usage.

I hear ya, Blues. I've been using a MDC light for EDC: the M61N drop-in with a VME head. It is pretty good, but I wish for higher output and/or higher lumens. The M61T might be perfect but does not fit the VME head. The high output E2 heads intended for WML use fit the bill for high output, but with only one output level may be too hot for any other hand held light use (a bezel switch for the MDC lights would be a home run IMO).

This new Bodyguard variation seems perfect for the application - I will know for sure later this week!

Mirolynmonbro
06-27-2018, 07:13 AM
Have a bodyguard on the way too. I might be in a force on force class next week so it could get some good use

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APS-PF
06-27-2018, 08:25 AM
That light with a head twist for say 25 lumen low, would be wonderful. I received my MDC tac the other day and have been playing with it. The on time as the switching mode is something to get used to.

Hizzie
06-27-2018, 09:16 AM
That head with 2 cell body looks amazing.

Sal Picante
06-27-2018, 10:10 AM
Bookmarked ... (Spending freeze, as per "she who must be obeyed" and the move to FL)

Exiledviking
06-27-2018, 11:27 AM
Yes, can do! Just buy the Bodyguard head and use it with either the 1-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only) or the 2-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only).Oh oh...this is trouble. Ha ha. I'm really liking this new Bodyguard head to use on a 16650 battery and body. Already have the 2 pieces in my cart at their website.

NH Shooter, can you please, once you receive it, give us some dimensions and weight and of course a review? I'm curious to see how it compares size-wise to a SF 6P since that's the closest light I currently have outside of a Nitecore SRT 3.

Clusterfrack
06-27-2018, 11:54 AM
I like the slim 1” head diameter.

Mirolynmonbro
06-27-2018, 04:58 PM
I'm new to rechargable batteries and flashlights. Can somebody dumb this down for me? I ordered the nitecore charger and 16340 battery from Malkoff


battery voltage should be checked often to avoid damage to the cell.

The input voltage of the Head is*3 -*6 volts. Input voltages of more than*6 volts may damage this flashlight.

This light is protected against reverse polarity



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blues
06-27-2018, 05:50 PM
I'm new to rechargable batteries and flashlights. Can somebody dumb this down for me? I ordered the nitecore charger and 16340 battery from Malkoff





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The Nitecore will stop charging the cell when it reaches 4.2v The head requires a minimum of 3 volts to operate and cannot use over 6 volts without potential damage.

In practice, you'll probably want to recharge your cell by or before it gets down to around 3.75v. You can use a multi-tester or just pop it in the Nitecore charger and it will give you the voltage readout and automatically start charging. Remove when it's complete or beforehand if you need to use it.

The cell shouldn't exhibit a memory effect so you can do partial charges whenever is convenient, with the proviso that you always do so before letting the voltage drop too low.


Efest IMR16340 V2 700 mAh High Discharge Button Top

Specifications:
Typical Capacity: 700 mAh
Nominal Voltage: 3.7V
Discharge End Voltage: 2.5V
Max Charging Current: 1.5A
Charging Voltage: 4.20+-0.05V
Max. Continuous Discharging Current: 7A

orionz06
06-27-2018, 06:00 PM
No option for strobe...

Mirolynmonbro
06-27-2018, 09:22 PM
Ah. That sounds easier than I was thinking. Thanks blues

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blues
06-27-2018, 09:28 PM
Ah. That sounds easier than I was thinking. Thanks blues

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My pleasure.

Mirolynmonbro
06-28-2018, 08:42 AM
No option for strobe...Why do you want a strobe option?

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orionz06
06-28-2018, 08:56 AM
Why do you want a strobe option?

I like it for a primary mode for a defensive light as it facilitates movement and deception of my position and otherwise doesn't negatively impact its primary function. It's a kinda niche thing but the effect is quite strong if used well. I've had a few encounters in the street where it may have influenced an unknown contact, or made me look like a weirdo with a blinky light. Either way I didn't have to shoot someone.

blues
06-28-2018, 09:29 AM
It brings flashbacks and makes me feel like I'm in a disco and under the influence. I'd rather just forget the entire era ever happened. :rolleyes:

Mirolynmonbro
06-28-2018, 09:30 AM
I like it for a primary mode for a defensive light as it facilitates movement and deception of my position and otherwise doesn't negatively impact its primary function. It's a kinda niche thing but the effect is quite strong if used well. I've had a few encounters in the street where it may have influenced an unknown contact, or made me look like a weirdo with a blinky light. Either way I didn't have to shoot someone.Thanks for sharing that. I liked the strobe button on the Klarus XT2C, but I retired it because it kept turning itself on in my pocket and the only way to get it off was to unscrew the tailcap. It gets really hot really fast.. not fun

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orionz06
06-28-2018, 09:37 AM
The XT2C, Nitecore P10, and XT2CR have all done well for me, bezel down. In the past I've rolled an inner tube over tailcaps to make the button harder to pocket activate with some success but these lights don't need it.

BillSWPA
06-28-2018, 10:59 AM
How well-shrouded is the switch on the new Malkoff light?

Pocket activation of the switch on my Klarus XT1C and Terralux TT1-EX are both quite frequent.

Clusterfrack
06-28-2018, 11:25 AM
The Klarus XT2C is the best light I've had in many ways (see this thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27161-Modified-Klarus-XT2C-amp-Raven-Clip-and-other-clip-mods&p=635890&viewfull=1#post635890)). I have not had problems activating the main switch accidentally. The light has held up well, despite rough treatment--multiple drops on concrete, and water submersion. However, there's a firmware bug where repeated taps of the lever switch can cause it to stay on. It's enough of a problem that I can't recommend this light.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170810/bb427c226fc42bf2f46115548ff40aad.jpg

Mirolynmonbro
06-28-2018, 11:26 AM
How well-shrouded is the switch on the new Malkoff light?

Pocket activation of the switch on my Klarus XT1C and Terralux TT1-EX are both quite frequent.It uses this shroudless body https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body

Click for some pictures. I wonder if the other 123 body would work? https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only

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BillSWPA
06-28-2018, 11:29 AM
It uses this shroudless body https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body

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Thanks! As much as I like ready availability of low modes, instant strobe, and the price of the Klarus as opposed to the Malkoff, I may need to try this Malkoff. My light is no good if I have drained the battery when I need it.

BillSWPA
06-28-2018, 11:14 PM
Just ordered the single cell light. Will see how it compares to my XT1C.



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NH Shooter
06-29-2018, 02:16 PM
How well-shrouded is the switch on the new Malkoff light?

Depends on which body you order. The complete light come with a shroudless body to allow easy access to the button;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body

This is the "tail standing" version where the button is recessed and better protected from accidental activation;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only

This is the tail-standing version that will accept two CR123 cells (and get the highest output from the Bodyguard head);

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

BillSWPA
06-29-2018, 02:20 PM
Depends on which body you order. The complete light come with a shroudless body to allow easy access to the button;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body

This is the "tail standing" version where the button is recessed and better protected from accidental activation;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only

This is the tail-standing version that will accept two CR123 cells (and get the highest output from the Bodyguard head);

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

Thank you for that information. The description on the single cell light does say shroudless, but that button looks quite recessed. The 2-cell version would completely defeat my purpose for this light. Hopefully the shrouded-looking "shroudless" one will offer adequate protection for the switch.

NH Shooter
06-29-2018, 02:49 PM
Thank you for that information. The description on the single cell light does say shroudless, but that button looks quite recessed. The 2-cell version would completely defeat my purpose for this light. Hopefully the shrouded-looking "shroudless" one will offer adequate protection for the switch.

If the button is too exposed on the shroudless version for your liking you can simply pick up the tail-standing body.

Clusterfrack
06-29-2018, 03:07 PM
Anyone know: what is a “shroud”?

NH Shooter
06-29-2018, 03:12 PM
Anyone know: what is a “shroud”?

It's the raised portion on the tail end of the body that surrounds the switch. It basically makes the switch recessed so that the light can "tail stand."

The "shroudless" body has the switch standing proud from the back, making it easier to get to but does not allow the light to stand on its tail.

The Tricap on your new light is basically shrouded for tail standing but with three scallop-shaped cut-outs to allow easy access to the switch.

Clusterfrack
06-29-2018, 03:28 PM
Ah. Thanks. (I thought it might be a thicker, double walled body.)

NH Shooter
06-30-2018, 03:43 PM
Bodyguard head is here, installed on Malkoff MDC 2-CR123 body and using a 16650 Li-ion protected cell;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-1.jpg


Initial Impressions

As is always the case with Malkoff products, it exudes quality. The electronics are fully potted directly into the bezel, no circuitry visible.

The hot spot is considerably wider than the M61T, with perhaps slightly less lux (throw) - but it is very close.

Compared to the M361 LMH drop-in on maximum (400 lumens), the Bodyguard is much brighter (no comparison, really).

Odd behavior: when activating the light, there is a micro-second of reduced output before snapping into max output. It is extremely quick, but noticeable - almost like a fast strobe.

Step-down to 150 lumen mode is sharp and instant. I timed it at around 8.5 seconds.

The output is noticeably higher on a pair of CR123 batteries.


Size Comparison Photo

Left to right: MDC -1-CR123 body with VME head, Bodyguard head/2-CR123 body in center, Wildcat v.6/MD2 with Tricap combo on the left;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-2.jpg


The MDC/VME combo weighs 4.0 ounces with an IMR 16340 cell, as does the Bodyguard/2-CR123 body combo with a 16650 cell. Wildcat/MD2 combo weighs 6.4 ounces with a pair of IMR 16350 cells.

The Bodyguard/2-CR123 body combo rides very comfortably clipped in a front pocket.

I will spend some time tonight outside getting a better look at its beam characteristics compared to the other lights. So far I'm liking it!

Mirolynmonbro
06-30-2018, 04:32 PM
Nice. My bodyguard came Friday but I won't get to play with it until tomorrow

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NH Shooter
06-30-2018, 09:16 PM
Had a chance to check out the Bodyguard outside in the dark, and it is impressive. My guess is that the Bodyguard is a variation of the E2 Super/Scout M600 2CR123 High Output Head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2-super-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head) that is intended for weapon-mounted use.

When stepped-down to 150 lumens, the beam remains extremely useful - more than adequate for general utilitarian purposes.

Mounted on the 2-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only) and using a 16650 2500mah Li-ion rechargeable cell (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/batteries-and-chargers/products/keeppower-16650-2500ma-li-ion-protected-cell), the runtime should be quite generous.

No doubt this light will be coming with me to the Low Light Pistol Operator course next month!

Mirolynmonbro
07-01-2018, 06:18 PM
Wow this light is tiny.

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NH Shooter
07-02-2018, 03:30 AM
Wow this light is tiny.

On a 1-CR123 body it really is. Makes it very easy to carry but more difficult to hold on to.

I have found the 2-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only) is long enough to establish a good hold without much (if any) sacrifice in practical portability. The threefold increase in runtime using a 16650 Li-ion cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16650-keeppower-2500mah-sanyo-ur16650zta-protected-button-top.html) is also a major plus.

BillSWPA
07-05-2018, 02:16 PM
The light arrived today. It is slightly longer than my XT1C, and is an ideal size for ease of use. The button is partially recessed, which was not really apparent in the photos. Momentary activation can be accomplished without depressing the button past the edge of the shroud, but clicking the light into constant on does require going past the end of the shroud. This is a well thought out switch/shroud design. Even if I momentarily activate the light in my pocket, it is unlikely to stay on once pressure is removed.

The light came with a Battery Station CR123. I replaced it with a 16340 to take advantage of the Li-Ion advantages.

Overall, it appears to be a nice light. I will compare it to the XT1C after dark tonight.

Exiledviking
07-05-2018, 02:43 PM
Can someone please share the OAL of the Bodyguard with the 1-CR123 body?

I'm curious to see how it company to the small flashlights I have.

NH Shooter
07-05-2018, 03:40 PM
Can someone please share the OAL of the Bodyguard with the 1-CR123 body?

3-3/4" AOL including button switch.

NH Shooter
07-05-2018, 03:52 PM
Overall, it appears to be a nice light. I will compare it to the XT1C after dark tonight.

My guess is that the Bodyguard will have a brighter hot spot/longer throw due to using a TIR lens vs. a reflector. According to the specs the XT1C weighs 1.76 ounces vs. 2.2 ounces for the Bodyguard, which is typical of the heavier Malkoff construction.

Let us know the results of your night time comparison!

BillSWPA
07-06-2018, 12:06 AM
After shining both lights across some big athletic fields, I had a very hard time spotting a difference between the two.

Although the XT1C has a higher lumens rating, I would expect a bit more conservative estimates from Gene Malkoff, so output is likely closer than the numbers indicate.

Hot spots appear about equally bright, with the Malkoff being perhaps slightly bigger, but again, any difference is really small.

The Malkoff drops down quickly and noticeably after a very short time, just as Gene describes on his website. For a single mode light with such high output from a small cell, this is a good thing for preserving battery life if the light is being used for mundane tasks.

I think the biggest advantage fo me will simply be decreased likelihood of having the light switch on and drain itself in my pocket.



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BillSWPA
07-06-2018, 08:16 PM
One other point about the Bodyguard v. XT1C: the Malkoff light uses a purely mechanical switch, verses the electronic mode/strobe switch of the Klarus light. An electronic switch causes a small amount of current drain when the light is off. While this has been a complete non-issue with any of the 4 XT2C lights I have carried, or my Terralux TT1-EX, it has been a very noticable issue with the XT1C. If the Malkoff light is not used for a long period of time, it has not been draining the battery during that time, and can still be counted on.



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NH Shooter
07-20-2018, 09:06 AM
I purchased the shroudless body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body) and have found it to be excellent for the intended application: it's easier to grip and the lack of a shroud around the button makes it far easier to activate. Malkoff really got it right with this one!

The true flashlight nerd that I am, I now actually carry two lights - the Bodyguard in my left (weak side) front pocket for defensive purposes and my other Malkoff MDC light in my right pocket for utilitarian purposes. The light on the right is an assembly of a shrouded 1-CR123 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only), a VME head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head) and a M361 LMH drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m361-lmh-low-med-high-to-fit-surefire) (15-80-400 lumens, controlled via the tail switch). Both are powered by a single Orbtronic 16340 700mAh cell (https://www.orbtronic.com/cr123a-16340-rechargeable-lithium-ion-700mah-orbtronic-battery);


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-5.jpg

Leroy Suggs
07-20-2018, 10:10 AM
Good to hear that about the shroudless body. I have one arriving tomorrow for my MCD.

Chuck Whitlock
07-20-2018, 06:51 PM
Both are powered by a single Orbtronic 16340 700mAh cell (https://www.orbtronic.com/cr123a-16340-rechargeable-lithium-ion-700mah-orbtronic-battery)

I'm keen to try these in my CR123 lights, (mainly SL Protac 1L-1AA), but am nervous at the same time, as SL makes no mention of them, and I am way out of my lane.

NH Shooter
07-21-2018, 06:01 AM
I'm keen to try these in my CR123 lights, (mainly SL Protac 1L-1AA), but am nervous at the same time, as SL makes no mention of them, and I am way out of my lane.

I wish all manufacturers would include the safe range of input voltages for their lights. With the ProTac 1L-1AA it's safe to say that the top end of the range is at least 3.2 volts, same as a new CR123A battery, but a 16340 Li-ion cell is 4.2 volts fresh off the charger.

This is the only reference I can find - https://www.streamlight.com/docs/default-source/product-instructions/ProTac1L-1AA_op.pdf

"NOTE: This product is not designed to use a rechargeable CR123 cell."

Seems like a no-go....

BillSWPA
07-21-2018, 10:52 AM
I'm keen to try these in my CR123 lights, (mainly SL Protac 1L-1AA), but am nervous at the same time, as SL makes no mention of them, and I am way out of my lane.

I would not use them in any light that is not specifically designed to accept them. The difference in voltage would significantly shorten the lifespan of the light, even if it works initially.


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Exiledviking
07-21-2018, 12:47 PM
I'm keen to try these in my CR123 lights, (mainly SL Protac 1L-1AA), but am nervous at the same time, as SL makes no mention of them, and I am way out of my lane.I have been looking at the K2 Energy LFP123A Lion Rechargeable as they are 3.2V batteries. However, they do require a charger that can charge Lithium Iron Phosphate LiFePO4 batteries. Surefire had something to do with this type of battery a few years back but it disappeared.

That Bodyguard is calling my name. I fear I'll order one in the next month.

NH Shooter
07-21-2018, 05:04 PM
That Bodyguard is calling my name. I fear I'll order one in the next month.

Really pleased with mine. The output and beam pattern, as well as the simple (i.e. foolproof) UI makes it ideal for the intended purpose...and as expected with Malkoff products, the build quality is second to none. At 3.7 inches long and 2.4 ounces, it sure is a lot easier to carry in a front pocket than a 6P size light.

Chuck Whitlock
07-21-2018, 08:06 PM
I wish all manufacturers would include the safe range of input voltages for their lights. With the ProTac 1L-1AA it's safe to say that the top end of the range is at least 3.2 volts, same as a new CR123A battery, but a 16340 Li-ion cell is 4.2 volts fresh off the charger.

This is the only reference I can find - https://www.streamlight.com/docs/default-source/product-instructions/ProTac1L-1AA_op.pdf

"NOTE: This product is not designed to use a rechargeable CR123 cell."

Seems like a no-go....


I would not use them in any light that is not specifically designed to accept them. The difference in voltage would significantly shorten the lifespan of the light, even if it works initially.

Thank you both for the responses. Looks like my hesitation is well founded, and that discretion is the better part of valor.

Exiledviking
07-24-2018, 04:41 PM
Looking at the Bodyguard flashlight it has a distinct collar where the head meets the body. How do those of you that have the complete light like that collar? I didn't think I'd want the collar but after putting the body o-ring on my MD M61HOT light I've discovered that I like the added traction I get on the light.
I've looked on the MD website but I can't figure out if the collar is on the head or the body.

Mirolynmonbro
07-24-2018, 04:42 PM
I took the ring off. It made it difficult to use the pocket clip in my pocket. It's a separate ring that fits between the head and body

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Exiledviking
07-24-2018, 04:44 PM
I took the ring off. It made it difficult to use the pocket clip in my pocket. It's a separate ring that fits between the head and body

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BillSWPA
07-24-2018, 11:59 PM
Looking at the Bodyguard flashlight it has a distinct collar where the head meets the body. How do those of you that have the complete light like that collar? I didn't think I'd want the collar but after putting the body o-ring on my MD M61HOT light I've discovered that I like the added traction I get on the light.
I've looked on the MD website but I can't figure out if the collar is on the head or the body.

At least in my hands, I cannot get a proper Rogers/Surefire/cigar hold on this light and effectively work the switch. I have still left the ring on since it could potentially help with placing the light in a different spot than my head if shooting around weak side cover.



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NH Shooter
07-25-2018, 12:16 PM
See photo below - between the paracord lanyard and the two O-rings, I get a good grip for a cigar hold;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-4.jpg

I tried the Delrin ring but also found it made using the clip difficult.

NH Shooter
09-08-2018, 08:24 AM
Update

Since I last posted in this thread, Malkoff introduced a v.2 version of the complete Bodyguard flashlight and separate head (the complete v.2 flashlight comes with a 18650 body).

Bodyguard v.1 flashlight (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/mdc-bodyguard)

v.1 head only (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head)

Bodyguard v.2 flashlight (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-v2-18650-flashlight)

v.2 head only (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head)

The main difference between the v.1 and v.2 heads is operating voltage. The v.1 is rated for 3.0 volts to 6.0 volts. On a single CR123A lithium battery, the v.1 is rated at 450 lumens, 600 lumens with a single 16340 Li-ion cell and 900 lumens on two CR123A batteries. The v.2 head is rated for 3.4 volts to 6 volts, producing 1000 lumens on either a single Li-ion cell or two CR123A batteries. Comparing the v.1 head on two CR123A batteries to the v.2 head on a single Li-ion cell yields identical results (900 to 1000 lumens). The v.2 head will operate on a single CR123A battery but only produce about half the output at 3.0 volts vs. the v.1 head.

Since I use Li-ion cells almost exclusively (4.2 volts fresh off the charger), I purchased the v.2 head to run on the v.1 body. It provides full output (1000 lumens) on a single 16340 Li-ion cell, which makes the little light a real pocket rocket. Runtime is limited to about 15 minutes at full output, but for defensive flash-'n-dash use I find that more than adequate. You can Lego this light using the v.2 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head) and the 1-CR123 shroudless body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body).

A lot of photon firepower is a very compact and easy-to-carry package!

BillSWPA
09-08-2018, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the update. I really like my version 1 Bodyguard for pocket carry. I doubt I would switch to the version 2 head because I like the idea of having a head that is designed for both 16340 and CR123 in this size light. The version 2 does look very interesting with an 18650 body, and looks like it would work well with a CCC basic light pouch.



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JCS
09-08-2018, 03:52 PM
Update

Since I last posted in this thread, Malkoff introduced a v.2 version of the complete Bodyguard flashlight and separate head (the complete v.2 flashlight comes with a 18650 body).

Bodyguard v.1 flashlight (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/mdc-bodyguard)

v.1 head only (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head)

Bodyguard v.2 flashlight (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-v2-18650-flashlight)

v.2 head only (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head)

The main difference between the v.1 and v.2 heads is operating voltage. The v.1 is rated for 3.0 volts to 6.0 volts. On a single CR123A lithium battery, the v.1 is rated at 450 lumens, 600 lumens with a single 16340 Li-ion cell and 900 lumens on two CR123A batteries. The v.2 head is rated for 3.4 volts to 6 volts, producing 1000 lumens on either a single Li-ion cell or two CR123A batteries. Comparing the v.1 head on two CR123A batteries to the v.2 head on a single Li-ion cell yields identical results (900 to 1000 lumens). The v.2 head will operate on a single CR123A battery but only produce about half the output at 3.0 volts vs. the v.1 head.

Since I use Li-ion cells almost exclusively (4.2 volts fresh off the charger), I purchased the v.2 head to run on the v.1 body. It provides full output (1000 lumens) on a single 16340 Li-ion cell, which makes the little light a real pocket rocket. Runtime is limited to about 15 minutes at full output, but for defensive flash-'n-dash use I find that more than adequate. You can Lego this light using the v.2 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head) and the 1-CR123 shroudless body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body).

A lot of photon firepower is a very compact and easy-to-carry package!

A lot of flashlight lingo sounds like Spanish but I think I’m tracking. Are you saying it’s 1000 lumens from a single 16340 cell?!

NH Shooter
09-08-2018, 04:14 PM
Are you saying it’s 1000 lumens from a single 16340 cell?!

Yes. ;-)

JCS
09-08-2018, 04:26 PM
Yes. ;-)

Does the v2 head have any other modes besides high? I really like the outputs on my surefire e1b backup of high and low but want a light with a little more throw.

NH Shooter
09-08-2018, 04:44 PM
Does the v2 head have any other modes besides high? I really like the outputs on my surefire e1b backup of high and low but want a light with a little more throw.

The v.2 has the same mode of operation as the v.1 - after 10 seconds of 900 - 1000 lumens, it drops down to 200 lumens. It's on a timer so just giving the switch a quick blip resets it, so you can hold it on high. The light comes on high for 10 seconds every time and there's no way to change that.

The throw of the v.1 was measured by Gene Malkoff (at my request) at 7,700 lux/candela, so the v.2 should be around 12,000. I found this link (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Surefire-E1B-MV-Dual-Output-LED--67649) that states the candela of the e1b backup is 1860 candela, which seems a bit low but that light is know for a flood-type beam pattern. At 1000 lumens vs. 400 it's safe to say the Malkoff will out-throw e1b by a considerable margin.

NH Shooter
09-10-2018, 11:57 AM
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-6.jpg

On the left is a Bodyguard v.1 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head) on a 16650 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only), powered by a KeepPower 16650 2500mAh cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16650-keeppower-2500mah-sanyo-ur16650zta-protected-button-top.html). This setup has a runtime of over an hour running at full output (600 lumens) and about 3.5 hours running at step-down level (150 lumens). I'm finding this to a great walk-the-dogs light as I can do a scan of the woods surrounding our yard while its at full output, then let it run at reduced output for the rest of the outing. Of course, I can get back to high power with just a quick double-tap of the switch. Additionally, this setup can run on a pair of CR123A batteries and get 900 lumens at full output.

One the right is the v.2 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head) on a 1-CR123 shroudless body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body), with the McClicky modified to be momentary only, powered by an Efest IMR 16340 700mAh cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16340-efest-imr16340-v2-700mah-high-discharge-button-top.html). This is intended for self-defensive applications only, with or without a pistol. The small 16340 cell provides about 15 minutes of full output (1000 lumens), or about ninety 10-second full power bursts.

I find carrying both of these lights is no more effort than carrying a single MD2 size light, and I very much like the versatility the two in combination provide. My plan was to sell the v.1 head after acquiring the v.2 version, but I'm now finding good reason to hold on to it.

BillSWPA
09-10-2018, 02:12 PM
In the constant quest for higher output, I think a lot of manufacturers as well as customers have forgotten the importance of runtime. Higher output means nothing if the light has a dead battery. So, that v1 head on a 16650 body makes a lot of sense for a light that might possibly see defensive use but will definitely see general utility use.



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Clusterfrack
09-10-2018, 03:14 PM
What about the v.2 Head on the 16650 body? Have you tested runtime?

littlejerry
09-10-2018, 06:02 PM
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/bodyguard-6.jpg

On the left is a Bodyguard v.1 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head) on a 16650 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only), powered by a KeepPower 16650 2500mAh cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16650-keeppower-2500mah-sanyo-ur16650zta-protected-button-top.html). This setup has a runtime of over an hour running at full output (600 lumens) and about 3.5 hours running at step-down level (150 lumens). I'm finding this to a great walk-the-dogs light as I can do a scan of the woods surrounding our yard while its at full output, then let it run at reduced output for the rest of the outing. Of course, I can get back to high power with just a quick double-tap of the switch. Additionally, this setup can run on a pair of CR123A batteries and get 900 lumens at full output.

One the right is the v.2 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-bodyguard-v2-head) on a 1-CR123 shroudless body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-shroudless-123-body), with the McClicky modified to be momentary only, powered by an Efest IMR 16340 700mAh cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16340-efest-imr16340-v2-700mah-high-discharge-button-top.html). This is intended for self-defensive applications only, with or without a pistol. The small 16340 cell provides about 15 minutes of full output (1000 lumens), or about ninety 10-second full power bursts.

I find carrying both of these lights is no more effort than carrying a single MD2 size light, and I very much like the versatility the two in combination provide. My plan was to sell the v.1 head after acquiring the v.2 version, but I'm now finding good reason to hold on to it.

This is very cool. How did you modify your switch to be momentary only?

Clusterfrack
09-10-2018, 06:08 PM
Wouldn't a good long-runtime solution be to get the BG2 complete with the 18650 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-v2-18650-flashlight)? Why use a 16650?

NH Shooter
09-10-2018, 06:58 PM
This is very cool. How did you modify your switch to be momentary only?

It's not difficult, I posted the how-to here (see post #47) - http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?402358-How-To-McClicky-Switch-disassembly/page2


Wouldn't a good long-runtime solution be to get the BG2 complete with the 18650 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-v2-18650-flashlight)? Why use a 16650?

That is absolutely another option! I already had the 16650 body and a few cells so I decided to give it a try. The v.2 will have about 60% of the runtime of the v.1 on the same Li-ion cell. The v.1 head on a 16650 2500mAh cell will have slightly longer runtime than the v.2 on a 18650 3400mAh cell, and of course the v.1 on an 18650 would have the longest runtime of the three.

JCS
09-12-2018, 06:25 PM
The v.2 has the same mode of operation as the v.1 - after 10 seconds of 900 - 1000 lumens, it drops down to 200 lumens. It's on a timer so just giving the switch a quick blip resets it, so you can hold it on high. The light comes on high for 10 seconds every time and there's no way to change that.

The throw of the v.1 was measured by Gene Malkoff (at my request) at 7,700 lux/candela, so the v.2 should be around 12,000. I found this link (https://www.bladehq.com/item--Surefire-E1B-MV-Dual-Output-LED--67649) that states the candela of the e1b backup is 1860 candela, which seems a bit low but that light is know for a flood-type beam pattern. At 1000 lumens vs. 400 it's safe to say the Malkoff will out-throw e1b by a considerable margin.

Thanks! Ya it is a pocket flood light but I need more throw in my lights. What’s the outside diameter of the bezel? Another thing I don’t like about the SF is it’s pretty wide.

NH Shooter
09-13-2018, 02:41 AM
What’s the outside diameter of the bezel? Another thing I don’t like about the SF is it’s pretty wide.

O.D. of Bodyguard head (both v.1 and v.2) is one inch, and the head should fit on the E1B body just fine. Use IMR 16340 cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/16340-efest-imr16340-v2-700mah-high-discharge-button-top.html) which will handle the current draw.

BillSWPA
10-11-2018, 09:53 PM
Saw an announcement on another forum that Surefire is releasing new versions of their E2D. After considering that light and comparing it to the Bodyguard v2, I ordered the Malkoff light with the shrouded tailcap. With the extended bezel, shrouded tailcap, the absence of crenelations,and absence of “Defender” or “Tactical” printed right on the light, the Malkoff light makes a better E2D than the E2D ever did.



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BillSWPA
10-16-2018, 03:21 PM
My Bodyguard v2 arrived yesterday. I am impressed.

Upon taking the light out of the package and installing an 18650, the light initially did not work. Replacing the 18650 with two CR123 enabled the light to work fine. A call to Gene Malkoff produced some over-the-hone diagnosis, which eventually led to removal of an O-ring that was positioned inside the threaded portion of the head to cushion the cells. The O-ring works fine with 18650 cells with a priminent button top, but not with a less prominent button top (the cells I had) or a flat top. Both ends of the battery compartment include springs even without the O-ring, so the cell is still better protected than it would be in many lights. If you run into that issue, try the same.

The light produces a very bright, useful beam. Comparing the beam outdoors at night to a Klarus XT2C with a similar rating (1100 lumens), the Malkoff light was definitely more useful. I am not sure how much of this was pure lumens and how much was the specific wavelengths of light in the beam, but across a big athletic field, I could see what I illuminated more clearly with the Malkoff light.

The fully shrouded switch is nice. It is really difficult to unintentionally click the light to constant on when monentary on is desired. Additionally, wtih the fully shrouded switch, extended bezel, and nicely ribbed body, this light is a perfect Kubotan/Yawara/pocket stick type impact weapon. The absence of crenelations or any wording on the light such as "Defender" or "Tactical" really helps the discretion with which the potential improvised impact weapon can be carried, without diminishing its effectiveness in that role in any way. Gene told me that other martial artists have expressed similar opinions.

Many other lights include crenelations around the bezel, but fail to provide much if any protection around the switch. So, one end of the light is essentially useless for striking, and the other end will cause nasty-looking surface lacerations that might be difficult to explain from a legal standpoint but which are unlikely to contribute much to stopping an attack. The Malkoff design is much more useful.

The user interface is perfect for its intended purpose. I will always get high when I need high. If I am using the lgiht for some mundane purpose, the light will switch to lower output to preserve battery life after 10 seconds. If I am using the light for that long, my use probably makes a lower mode more appropriate. This system also prevents someone from stupidly running the light on high for 10 minutes after you let them use the light.

The pocket clip is very well designed, and fastened to the body with screws.

The light is a good fit for a Custom Carry Concepts Basic Light Pouch with a 1" diameter, when carried head down. One inch diameter is one of the standard sizes for this pouch. Not needing a custom size simplifies obtaining one of these excellent Kydex pouches.

Gene and his wife were very pleasant to deal with.

Exiledviking
11-06-2018, 07:22 PM
Just ordered a Bodyguard single cell.
NH Shooter, you're killing my slush fund. lol

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Tensaw
11-07-2018, 08:41 PM
This might deserve it’s own thread, but I will just leave this here. I’ve known Gene, the owner of Malkoff Devices, since before he started the company. He lives a few hours away from me. I would call him a close acquaintance and a friend; but not a close friend.

I recently approached him with the “opportunity” to contribute a light to an auction my church is having for building fund. (Our 55 year old roof is literally about to fall in on our heads.) Without any hesitation Gene sends me *three* lights for auction. He asked nothing in return.

Gene really does make quality lights. I know from talking with him that he cares about that. As important, he is also a stand-up guy. Just wanted to put this out there. I’m sure he would be a little embarrassed to read this and might even fuss at me a little for posting this. All I can say to Gene is, “Bring it!” 😜

Clusterfrack
11-09-2018, 11:34 AM
BG2 head, MDC 123 shroudless body, 16340’s, and extra McClicky inbound.

I’m going to try the momentary-only mod.

CR78
11-10-2018, 08:43 AM
Anyone have any ideas on how to subdue the shiny appearance of the Malkoff clip? I got a fair amount of unwanted attention from a panicked ticket taker at a sporting event last night, and it made me aware of how much that clip stands out again a pair of jeans.

NH Shooter
11-10-2018, 09:14 AM
Anyone have any ideas on how to subdue the shiny appearance of the Malkoff clip?

I might try some heat shrink tube.

Clusterfrack
11-10-2018, 10:20 AM
Yet another product idea for Gene: DLC treated pocket clips.

Clusterfrack
11-14-2018, 10:54 AM
BG2 head, MDC 123 shroudless body, 16340’s, and extra McClicky inbound.

I’m going to try the momentary-only mod.

This light is amazing. On high it’s brighter than my M61 HOT.

I need to figure out a finger ring attachment, but otherwise, I’m very impressed.

Mirolynmonbro
02-18-2019, 05:58 PM
Did Malkoff release a new Bodyguard? Lumens are 800 and 600 now. It was 600 and 450 before wasn't it? I'm trying to put together something with a hi/low and noticed it says 800 now

CR123 (3 volts) ------ 600 lumens Momentary, 400 lumens 10 sec., 175 lumens

IMR 16340 ------ 800 lumens Momentary, 700 lumens 10 sec., 200 lumens



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Mike C
02-18-2019, 06:42 PM
NH Shooter, thanks for some of the info you passed. Very helpful and I've been meaning to post this and tell you that you are an enabler of the worst sorts! :p

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Seriously thanks. I couldn't be happier.


I need to figure out a finger ring attachment, but otherwise, I’m very impressed. Please post your solution when you get it figured out. I like the setup you have on the Klarus and am interested in what you might come up with.

BillSWPA
02-18-2019, 08:28 PM
Did Malkoff release a new Bodyguard? Lumens are 800 and 600 now. It was 600 and 450 before wasn't it? I'm trying to put together something with a hi/low and noticed it says 800 now

CR123 (3 volts) ------ 600 lumens Momentary, 400 lumens 10 sec., 175 lumens

IMR 16340 ------ 800 lumens Momentary, 700 lumens 10 sec., 200 lumens



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It is the same one but with different ratings after additional testing.


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Mirolynmonbro
02-18-2019, 08:33 PM
It is the same one but with different ratings after additional testing.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's awesome. This is such a bright light for how small it is

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Clusterfrack
02-18-2019, 08:59 PM
Please post your solution when you get it figured out. I like the setup you have on the Klarus and am interested in what you might come up with.

Bodyguard 2 head, MDC shroudless body.

Fingerloop isn’t ideal but works.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190219/39f55a9c5bd3624fc795b4b4aa5a355b.jpg

blues
03-10-2019, 06:17 PM
Here's mine (v.1) next to a SureFire E2e with a Malkoff Scout head. The Bodyguard head works equally well with the SureFire body and a 16650 battery to keep it running.


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Clusterfrack
01-02-2021, 06:03 PM
Just picked up a second BG2 head. I also had an awesome CS experience. Somehow the McClicky button got ripped out of my 1-cell BG2, so I emailed Malkoff about a replacement boot. I received a response from Gene at midnight eastern time the same day offering to send me a free button.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210102/d6548945fcc69a71419247fff7f6e0aa.jpg

blues
01-02-2021, 06:36 PM
Gene, Kathy and Todd are class acts all the way. No two ways about it.

Clusterfrack
01-02-2021, 07:26 PM
I should probably mention that I used a BG2 head on a Mini-Scout at a recent night carbine match. I ran NODS and an IR laser, so the light only came on once, briefly to locate a very tricky and distant target. It was a dominating amount of light, and generated quite a few questions. I think the BG2 is an excellent carbine light.

NPV
02-20-2021, 08:58 PM
I finally found a retention system that works pretty well for what I want it to do with this light. I’ve been very happy with this light for the past year or so but this makes it even better.

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