Another Malkoff EDC "Build"

[NH Shooter]

One of the aspects I appreciate the most about Malkoff products is the ability configure a light to ones needs. One of my EDC lights is configured using a 1-CR123 body, using a 700mah 16340 rechargeable cell to power a M61N drop-in;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/mdcvme-2.jpg

This is an extremely carry-friendly light with about 20 minutes of full output run time before dropping into direct-drive mode as voltage decreases. For normal EDC use, the run time is adequate.

With a Low Light Pistol Operator class at the Sig Academy coming up, I wanted to extend the run time of the light so I purchased a 2-CR123 body. This body will accept a 2500 mah 16650 cell or a pair of standard CR123 lithium cells to power the same M61N drop-in. The result is a longer but still very pocket-friendly configuration;

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With either a single 16650 Li-ion cell or a pair of CR123 cells, full output run time is around 90 minutes. Additionally, I find the longer body easier to grip and allows the bezel to fully clear the hand.

For those interested here is the list of parts used to assemble this light;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61n-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/batteries-and-chargers/products/keeppower-16650-2500ma-li-ion-protected-cell

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks for posting. I was actually about to PM you for exact specs on some of your other smaller lights. I tried to figure it out on the Malkoff site, but they have one of the worst web commerce pages I’ve ever seen. It’s a wonder they can stay in business.

Would you post builds for some of your other lights? Thanks!

[Mirolynmonbro]

I've been curious about these Malkoff builds since I first saw one of your posts a while back.

The next light I'm thinking on is the Nitecore MT1C because the preset mode of Turbo and Low that is chosen by twisting the bezel. http://flashlight.nitecore.com/product/mt1c

What I don't like about it are the extra modes. I'd rather have a light with just a high and a low. What kind of light can be built similar to the MT1C but with just high and low using these Malkoff parts? Rechargable batteries are a plus

This company being just an hour away from me is pretty cool too

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[jellydonut]

I've been curious about these Malkoff builds since I first saw one of your posts a while back.

The next light I'm thinking on is the Nitecore MT1C because the preset mode of Turbo and Low that is chosen by twisting the bezel. http://flashlight.nitecore.com/product/mt1c

What I don't like about it are the extra modes. I'd rather have a light with just a high and a low. What kind of light can be built similar to the MT1C but with just high and low using these Malkoff parts? Rechargable batteries are a plus

This company being just an hour away from me is pretty cool too

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The MDC bodies seen in OP's post are compatible with all E-series heads, so the Malkoff VME head would fit, and so would the Malkoff E2 replacements.

MDC bodies can be found here: https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items

2xCR123 (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only)
2xAA (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2aa-body-only)
1xCR123 (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only)
1xAA (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1aa-body-only)

Then add a head that fits;

E2 Super Throw - 20000 lux, 550 lumens (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/e2-super-throw-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head)
E2 Super Scout - 12000 lux, 700 lumens (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/e2-super-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head)
VME head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head), do not forget the O-ring set (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-head-lens-and-gaskets) and a module.

It's important to keep the voltage of the different heads and modules in mind - the E2 heads, for example, need 6V so will not work with the AA bodies or the 1xCR123.

I built my own in this fashion using the 2xAA MDC body, a VME head I already had, and the M31 module. (https://i.imgur.com/1zeUsd6.jpg)

Of course, I neglected to buy the gasket package which is why you can spy a red paper gasket in there, I had to improvise.

[NH Shooter]

Would you post builds for some of your other lights? Thanks!

My pleasure!

I have the following two EDC lights set up as single-output using the M61N drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61n-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff);

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/mdcvme-2.jpg

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-1cr123-body-only

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head

To use a single 16340 Li-ion rechargeable battery (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries.html?___store=default&battery_size=287) any of these drop-ins;
https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts

To use a single standard CR123 battery, any of these drop-ins;
https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire



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https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head

To use a 16650 Li-ion rechargeable battery (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries.html?___store=default&battery_size=288&is_ajax=1) OR two CR123 batteries, any of these drop-ins;
https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts

For greater output but with shorter run time, any of these 9P drop-ins;
https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-9p-c3-z3-etc-9-12-volts

Use a pair of 16340 cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries.html?___store=default&battery_size=287) for the 9P drop-ins.


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-9.jpg

This is a 6P size, dual-output version of the light above that uses an 18650 Li-ion rechargeable cell for longer run time. Paired with the high-low bezel switch, offers two output levels with a twist of the bezel;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-md2-black-type-iii-ha?variant=6892997635

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/high-low-bezel-switch-for-md2?ras=raslbestseller&utm_source=retailreco&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=raslbestseller&fp=5

Any of the following drop-ins;
https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts

For greater output (but less run time), you can also use any of the 9P drop-ins (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-9p-c3-z3-etc-9-12-volts) with a pair of 18350 Li-ion rechargeable cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries.html?___store=default&battery_size=290&brand=239&is_ajax=1).


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-19.jpg

This is a true 6P-size pocket rocket - a Wildcat v.6 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/large-malkoff-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-wildcat?variant=29865398851) on the MD2 body with Tricap (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195). It runs on a pair of 18350 Li-ion rechargeable cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html). Only about 20 minutes of full output run time on high (1,000+ lumens) but will run all night on low, which still provides very useful illumination. The Wildcat is a flood pattern light with a soft edge. I'm using the neutral 4000k version and the color temperature is beautiful.


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-14.jpg

More of a long range spot pattern (1,000 lumens, 29,000 lux) the Hound Dog 18650 has a nice wide spill and remains very useful on the low setting. Runs strictly on a single 18650 cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18650-keeppower-3500mah-sanyo-ncr18650ga-protected-button-top.html);

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-neutral-hound-dog-18650-head-only


With the standard tail cap also makes for a kick-ass WML;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/wml-5.jpg



The following was purchased as a complete light and is perhaps my favorite out of the entire bunch;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-13.jpg

Wildcat v.6 in 4000k neutral ordered with the MD3 body and Tricap (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/large-malkoff-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-wildcat?variant=45423342979), I run it on a pair of 18500 Li-ion rechargeable cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18500-keeppower-2000mah-panasonic-ncr18500-protected-button-top.html). The beautiful beam pattern and color, high CRI, decent run time (especially on low) and Malkoff quality make me smile every time I use it.

There are many other combinations that can be assembled but these are the ones I use myself.

[NH Shooter]

Then add a head that fits;

E2 Super Throw - 20000 lux, 550 lumens (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/e2-super-throw-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head)
E2 Super Scout - 12000 lux, 700 lumens (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/e2-super-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head)
VME head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head), do not forget the O-ring set (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-head-lens-and-gaskets) and a module.



Also of interest is that these Malkoff heads can be paired with Arisaka WML bodies and tail caps;

https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/300-series-light-body

https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/600-series-light-body

https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/tailcap-momentary

Pretty cool, you can switch things around between your WML and EDC light!

[Dave Williams]

Question: how does this compare to the Fenix PD35 Tac for $72? I’ve been using the Fenix and think it’s amazing.

[jellydonut]

In terms of light output they are probably using the exact same LED, and these days the Chicom lights have decent optics too.

What you're paying extra for is that these are made in Alabama, not in communist China, and the extreme durability of these lights. These lights are more durable than Surefires and can sit on a 12 gauge with no problem.

[NH Shooter]

Question: how does this compare to the Fenix PD35 Tac for $72? I’ve been using the Fenix and think it’s amazing.

I hope we can avoid turning this into yet another "I can buy a Chinese import cheaper" thread.

To answer the question as diplomatically as possible, with both in-hand you will notice that the Malkoff is built heavier, has fully potted electronics for shock/impact resistance, honest output and run time ratings, and a simple no-nonsense UI. Malkoff lights are renown for their durability, dependability and second-to-none customer service. They are made by a small company in the U.S.A. (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/pages/about) who has been serving the military and LE for decades.

If you're interested in a top-tier, U.S. made light that will last a lifetime, I can strongly recommend Malkoff. I hope this helps...

[NH Shooter]

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[Dave Williams]

Thanks for detailed reply. How would you say the light you have compares to the Fenix’s 1K lumens? I love the 1K lumens living out in the sticks.

[APS-PF]

Do your tailcap switches have a momentary capability or just click on/off? Thanks, adam

[Clusterfrack]

If I want high/low, am I correct that the drop in module is single output, and I need the ring switch?

Thanks dude. Really appreciate the time you put in to this thread. Malkoff should pay you to redo their website. Jeez, it’s terrible. Why not have packages pre-selected. Then people could actually buy their products.

[martin_j001]

If I want high/low, am I correct that the drop in module is single output, and I need the ring switch?

Thanks dude. Really appreciate the time you put in to this thread. Malkoff should pay you to redo their website. Jeez, it’s terrible. Why not have packages pre-selected. Then people could actually buy their products.

That is correct, one of the replacement heads and an MDC body will give you one output. If I'm not mistaken, you won't be able to get a different switch for an MDC body (switches built into the body), you'll have to go up to the MD2 style for that (I could be wrong here, there are those that know more about how to lego these than me).

I recently lego'd a Malkoff MDC 16650 body with the E2 head, and find this to be a great setup. It punches above its class for sure, with better throw than other "brighter" lights, and even appears to have an output similar to other lights that are said to be "brighter". And as has been said, Malkoff build quality is second to none.

[NH Shooter]

If I want high/low, am I correct that the drop in module is single output, and I need the ring switch?

Yes but you could also use a M361 LMH drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m361-lmh-low-med-high-to-fit-surefire) that would give you and extra three very low settings with the bezel loosened. FWIW, I find having two settings with just a single output module and the high-low ring to be adequate for my needs.

My next "build" is going to use the M91B drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-9p-c3-z3-etc-9-12-volts/products/m91b-dropin-to-fit-surefire-9p) (800 lumens) with the bezel switch and a pair of 18350 cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html) in a MD2 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195) (same size as a SF 6P). Run time on high should be around 45 minutes and 8 to 12 hours on low. This set up will work only with the 18350 cells.


Thanks dude. Really appreciate the time you put in to this thread. Malkoff should pay you to redo their website. Jeez, it’s terrible. Why not have packages pre-selected. Then people could actually buy their products.

Agreed that unless you know what you're looking for there's not much in "build advice" on the site, but they do have a good selection of made-to-order lights in the Products > Malkoff LED Flashlights menu. That said, here is the HUGE service you can take advantage of - give them a call! Gene or Cathy Malkoff will answer the phone and spend the time to help you decide what you need. They will take orders over the phone and ship the package the same or next day via USPS Priority Mail. There seems very few businesses left today that offer this level of personalized customer service.

Feel free to PM me if you want any further input.

[NH Shooter]

That is correct, one of the replacement heads and an MDC body will give you one output. If I'm not mistaken, you won't be able to get a different switch for an MDC body (switches built into the body), you'll have to go up to the MD2 style for that....

Correct - the only way to get multi-level output on the MDC light is with a low-medium-high E2 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/mdc-ha-lmh-li-ion-rechargeable-head) or 6P drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m361-lmh-low-med-high-to-fit-surefire) (with VME head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head)), that toggles levels via the clicky switch. I used the M361 drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m361-lmh-low-med-high-to-fit-surefire) for a while and though the utility of three levels came in handy on occasion, I now have my MDC (Malkoff Daily Carry) lights set up in single output. I like the consistency of having the light come on every time at the expected level and not having to depend on programming procedures (which always seem to become "unprogrammed" at the worst possible time) or multiple taps of the clicky switch to give me that.


I recently lego'd a Malkoff MDC 16650 body with the E2 head, and find this to be a great setup. It punches above its class for sure, with better throw than other "brighter" lights, and even appears to have an output similar to other lights that are said to be "brighter". And as has been said, Malkoff build quality is second to none.

Nice light! For those following along here are the pieces needed;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

...with any of the following heads;

650 lumens/20,000 lux - https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2-super-throw-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head

750 lumens/12,000 lux - https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2-super-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head

350 lumens/10,000 lux - https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2t-scout-m600-2cr123-head

The first selection has a more narrow beam with longer throw, the second still has good throw but with brighter spill and the third will have the longest run time.

The ratio of lumens to lux is an indicator of the shape of the beam. For example, the Wildcat v.6 has a 1350 lumen/7000 lux rating which produces a very wide, uniform beam. A pencil beam shape will have a high ratio of lux to lumens.

[Dave Williams]

I asked about a 1K lumen option yesterday but it got eaten I guess. It was in my profile as being post but never showed up. I’d like bezel down carry, 1K lumens, clicky tail cap. Do they offer that?

[NH Shooter]

I asked about a 1K lumen option yesterday but it got eaten I guess. It was in my profile as being post but never showed up. I’d like bezel down carry, 1K lumens, clicky tail cap. Do they offer that?

Short answer - yes. More at the end of this post.

One of the discoveries I made along the way is the lumens is only one aspect of light performance. It is generally a poor indicator of light quality and usefulness. What a simple lumen rating does not reveal is the following;

Run time. Just about every imported light now has a "turbo mode" which is usually an impressive rating. However, you have to read the fine print (if it's even there) to find out that a light will run in "turbo mode" for only a very short period of time - sometimes only seconds. The reason for this short run time is generally due to lack of an adequate heat sink to pull heat from the LED circuit board. Additionally, the LED is usually over-driven to achieve the impressive lumen rating, generating even more heat. Beware of the small, lightweight light with the over-the-top lumen rating.

Beam pattern. See my post above - the ratio of lumens to lux (or candela) will define how much of the lumen output is concentrated in the center of the beam. A lower lumen light can have much more reach (throw) through the use of a TIR (total internal reflection) lens that focuses the beam. Conversely, a high lumen light can have a lower lux rating indicating a wider beam.

Beam quality. Known in the flashlight nerd circles as "white wall hunting" lights can range from beautifully smooth, artifact-free patterns (like the Malkoff Wildcat) to something with heavy concentric rings and uneven beam pattern (like my $40 Chinese-import Streamlight PolyTac).

Light quality. Usually expressed in color temperature of degrees Kelvin, most LED flashlights have "cool" blueish beams with low CRI (color rendering index). CRI is a measure of how accurately the color of an object is revealed when illuminated. A CRI rating of 80 or higher is my preference, and anything 90 or better is outstanding.

The factors above are more important to me than the actual lumen rating. Once I decide the shape of the beam I want (lumen/lux ratio), color temperature and beam quality are my primary considerations. For example, I greatly prefer the M61N neutral drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61n-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff) (300 lumens, 4000k, CRI 80) to the standard M61 drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61-mod-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff) (425 lumens, 6500k, no CRI rating).

So you're looking for a 6P size light with around 1,000 lumens, tailcap clicky and high-low operation via a twist of the bezel? Here are two Malkoff options;

Option 1 - Wildcat v.6 head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/large-malkoff-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-wildcat?variant=29865398851). Choose the 1350 lumen cool white or the 1050 "neutral" (CRI 90) head. Beam quality on both is an amazingly smooth, very wide and uniform wall-of-light with a soft edge, the high-CRI neutral version is IMO worth the sacrifice in lumens for the high CRI rating. Both heads come with the high-low bezel switch installed.

MD2 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195), I prefer the Tricap option.

Run the light with a pair of high-current IMR 18350 cells (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html).

Option 2 - you could use the M91B drop-in (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-9p-c3-z3-etc-9-12-volts/products/m91b-dropin-to-fit-surefire-9p) with the MD2 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-md2-black-type-iii-ha?variant=6892997635). You will also need to purchase the high-low bezel switch (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/high-low-bezel-switch-for-md2) separately if you want that function. The light will physically be identical to the above, a 6P size light. The M91B drop-in produces 800 lumens but with a higher lux rating (8500 vs. 7000/5200) than the wildcat. The reflector produces a smooth, artifact-free beam pattern with a center hot-spot and a sharp cut-off at the edge of the spill.

You will not be disappointed with a Malkoff!

Photos of what the above lights look like physically -

With Tricap option;
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-9.jpg


With standard tail cap;
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-10.jpg


With Tricap and Raven Concealment clip;
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-19.jpg

[NH Shooter]

Do your tailcap switches have a momentary capability or just click on/off? Thanks, adam

All Malkoffs use the McClicky switch mechanism (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mcclicky-switch-boot-and-retainer), which is easily replaceable and has both momentary and click-on function. The momentary engages quickly and takes a long push to click on, easily avoiding click-on when not wanted.

[Dave Williams]

Thanks for the detailed reply NH Shooter.

[APS-PF]

Thanks NH, I just ordered an MDC tac to try out.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

One of the aspects I appreciate the most about Malkoff products is the ability configure a light to ones needs. One of my EDC lights is configured using a 1-CR123 body, using a 700mah 16340 rechargeable cell to power a M61N drop-in;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/mdcvme-2.jpg

This is an extremely carry-friendly light with about 20 minutes of full output run time before dropping into direct-drive mode as voltage decreases. For normal EDC use, the run time is adequate.

With a Low Light Pistol Operator class at the Sig Academy coming up, I wanted to extend the run time of the light so I purchased a 2-CR123 body. This body will accept a 2500 mah 16650 cell or a pair of standard CR123 lithium cells to power the same M61N drop-in. The result is a longer but still very pocket-friendly configuration;

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With either a single 16650 Li-ion cell or a pair of CR123 cells, full output run time is around 90 minutes. Additionally, I find the longer body easier to grip and allows the bezel to fully clear the hand.

For those interested here is the list of parts used to assemble this light;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61n-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/vme-malkoff-valiant-concepts-head

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/mdc-ha-2cr123-body-only

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/batteries-and-chargers/products/keeppower-16650-2500ma-li-ion-protected-cell

I just took that class on Monday. It was awesome. I did it using a sure fire EDCL1T and they stream light protac 2L. It was awesomeness.

[NH Shooter]

I just took that class on Monday. It was awesome. I did it using a sure fire EDCL1T and they stream light protac 2L. It was awesomeness.

I'm taking it on 8/11 and will have a range bag of Malkoffs to use. :-)

I'm looking forward to it!

[NH Shooter]

Thanks for the detailed reply NH Shooter.

Option 3

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdx22-3-m61hot-throw-head

This head is rated at 625 lumens but uses a TIR optic to focus the beam to 20,000 lux. Runs on an 18650 Li-ion cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/18650-keeppower-3500mah-sanyo-ncr18650ga-protected-button-top.html), can also be fitted with optional high-low bezel switch (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/high-low-bezel-switch-for-md2).

[NH Shooter]

Option 4

...or just buy a Hound Dog 18650 (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/large-malkoff-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-neutral-turnkey-hound-dog-18650)!

Every time I take the Malkoffs out at night to do a beam comparison, the first thought that comes to my mind with the HD 18650 is "holy $hit." It's 900 lumens at 29,000 lux and because it's a reflector-based design (not a TIR lens), the beam is beautifully uniform. You'll need cargo pants to carry it in a pocket, but for a rural area where you need plenty of reach with plentiful spill, it's perfect. Even on low at around 30 lumens it is extremely useful.

You can also lego it with the following;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-neutral-hound-dog-18650-head-only

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md2-body-and-switch?variant=45548976195

Must be run with only a 18650 cell (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18650-keeppower-3500mah-sanyo-ncr18650ga-protected-button-top.html).


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-12.jpg


http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/malkoff-2.jpg

[blues]

^^^The Hound Dog 18650 was the last Malkoff I purchased. I had held off for a long time thinking I didn't need one because:

1. I already had the bigger Hound Dog in neutral

2. I always thought it was a bit of an odd duck.

Well, live and learn. I love the light. (I have the cool white version. I like it as much as its neutral big brother.) It's my go-to when I don't wear a headlamp at night to take the dog out in our forested environment. (No lights but from homes along the gravel road.)


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[NH Shooter]

This is the other (and most likely the primary) light I'll be using at the Low Light Pistol Operator course;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/edc-3.jpg


M61T-MD2 with Tricap and High-Low Switch (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/m61t-md2?variant=45427236867) run on a pair of IMR 18350 1200 mah cells (https://www.illumn.com/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html). This set up will provide a steady 450 lumens/14,000 lux for at least 75 minutes before gradually tapering off (to prompt a battery reload). Equipped with the Raven Concealment clip and DIY finger lanyard, it fits in a pocket quite well. The O-rings seen on the head allow easier one-hand grip for turning the bezel and operating the high-low switch. At 6.8 ounces and built like the typical Malkoff brick poop house, serves as a viable improvised impact tool in a SD scenario.

I also tried this on a MD3 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md3-body-and-switch) to use 18500 cells (over 2.5 hours of continuous full output) but I like the handling of this shorter MD2 version better.

[Clusterfrack]

What head is that? Can you tell us the diameter of the head?

Why not use an 18650?

Thanks a ton for all this info!

[Exiledviking]

I appreciate you taking the time to make this thread and go into detail on the builds as it greatly clarifies the vast Lego capabilities of the Malkoff flashlights and parts.

I just purchased my first complete Malkoff flashlight, an MD2 M61HOT with the Hi/low switch, and this thread along with a few others here on PF helped in choosing Malkoff. I hope to have the MD2 by Friday. I'm looking forward to trying it out. I have 2 of the MD LED drop-ins in a SF 9P and a 6P and I've been very happy with those.

If I may ask, why the 2 18350 batteries as opposed to a single 18650 in the above build?

[NH Shooter]

What head is that? Can you tell us the diameter of the head?

Why not use an 18650?

That is the M61T head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdx22-3-m61t-throw-head). Diameter = 1.25 inches. See below for battery info!


If I may ask, why the 2 18350 batteries as opposed to a single 18650 in the above build?

Congrats on the M61HOT-MD2, you're going to like it!

All Malkoff lights have a range of acceptable voltage. For example, the M61HOT (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdx22-3-m61hot-throw-head) is 3.4 to 6 volts, as are many of their E2 heads. In those cases, the use of a single cell (16650 or 18650) is the way to roll. The larger the capacity of the cell the longer the run time.

Other Malkoff heads have a wider (or different) range of acceptable voltage. The M61T (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdx22-3-m61t-throw-head) is a good example of this - it has an acceptable range of 3.4 to 9 volts. So what this means is that two Li-ion cells (4.2 volts each out of the charger) can be used, providing 8.4 volts.

All of these heads are voltage regulated, meaning that within the range of acceptable voltages light output is supposed to remain constant. But in most cases, output is slightly higher at the higher voltage.

Malkoff under-rates the output of many of their lights, as proven by those in the flashlight nerd kingdom who set up the equipment to actually measure it. For example, the M61T is rated by Malkoff as "350+" lumens but actual readings are significantly higher; on a single cell (4.2 volts) it is more like 380 lumens (https://imgur.com/HtrHErR) and on two cells (8.4 volts) is more like 450 lumens (https://imgur.com/kWd0PcM).

The bezel switch uses a resistor to establish the low output, so the higher the input voltage the brighter low mode is. In the case of the M61T, the low setting is under 10 lumens on one cell but around 30 lumens on two cells. At least in the case of the M61T, using two cells significantly improves the performance of the head, but at the expense of run time. In my case I'll still get over 75 minutes of full output run time on the two 1200mah cells, more than adequate IMO for a defensive flashlight.

Since the M61HOT has a maximum limit of 6 volts, two Li-ion cells cannot be used (but two CR123 primaries can). Using an 18650 Li-ion cell, output starts at 625 lumens, drops to 575 lumens pretty quickly and holds that for over 75 minutes - graph (https://imgur.com/xYtArZX). So it still outperforms the M61T on two cells by 125 lumens. But in terms of run time, the M61T can be used with two 18650 cells in a MD4 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md4-body-and-switch) providing nearly 5 hours of 450 lumen output (graph (https://imgur.com/2XOyM0k))!

For our use (perhaps with the exception of search and rescue) long run times are not IMO something of tremendous value. It you can get over an hour of consistent full output and then a slow, steady decline leaving plenty of time for a battery change, I think that is acceptable. The smaller/shorter lights are also easier to carry, especially if its carried in a pocket vs. on a duty belt.

Here is the link to many other output graphs of Malkoff lights (links found in post #2) - http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?445450-Malkoff-Runtime-Graphs-CR123-Alkaline-Comparo

[Clusterfrack]

Ok. This makes sense. If I will use only the MD2 body, and never put the head on a longer body, which head is better for an EDC/defense light: the Wildcat or the M61 Hot?

I do like the higher energy density of a single 18650 battery.

[jellydonut]

I think overall the M61 is a better allrounder. I'm not a great fan of floody lights because they will always be floody, whereas if you have a light with a focused beam you can always diffuse it using either a diffusor or just any piece of translucent material if you should ever need to. Whereas if you're stuck with a floodlight and you need to spot something afar, you're screwed.

Speaking of focused beams, I received the E2 Super Throw head today (https://i.imgur.com/qm7at0Z.jpg) and it is the business. Lighter and smaller than the VME head, but far better performing.

[NH Shooter]

Ok. This makes sense. If I will use only the MD2 body, and never put the head on a longer body, which head is better for an EDC/defense light: the Wildcat or the M61 Hot?

I do like the higher energy density of a single 18650 battery.

I would say the M61HOT with its retina-burning focused beam (20,000 lumens vs. 7000 for the WC) and the far longer run time in the MD2 body.

The Wildcat v.6 really needs the longer bodies/larger cells to get decent run time.

[NH Shooter]

Speaking of focused beams, I received the E2 Super Throw head today (https://i.imgur.com/qm7at0Z.jpg) and it is the business. Lighter and smaller than the VME head, but far better performing.

I'm very tempted to drop the coin on one myself for use on my MDC 2-CR123 body (with 16650 cell).

[jellydonut]

I'm very tempted to drop the coin on one myself for use on my MDC 2-CR123 body (with 16650 cell).

With only a 16650 I do not think you would get a lot of regulated runtime out of the Super Throw, it requires a voltage span between 3.4-6V. Seems like the driver is tailormade for 2xCR123, which is fine for me, since this one is actually intended for a Benelli forend rather than this light.

[NH Shooter]

With only a 16650 I do not think you would get a lot of regulated runtime out of the Super Throw....

From the Malkoff website for the E2 Super Throw/Scout M600 2CR123 High Output Head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2-super-throw-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head);

"The full output runtime on two CR123 batteries is approximately 15-20 minutes. The full output runtime on a single 16650 (2500ma cell) is approximately 45-60 minutes."

[jellydonut]

From the Malkoff website for the E2 Super Throw/Scout M600 2CR123 High Output Head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e2-super-throw-scout-m600-2cr123-high-output-head);

"The full output runtime on two CR123 batteries is approximately 15-20 minutes. The full output runtime on a single 16650 (2500ma cell) is approximately 45-60 minutes."

I stand corrected, perhaps things have happened with rechargeables since the last time I checked up on them.

[Clusterfrack]

Ok. Here's what I've got in my shopping cart:

Malkoff MDX22.3-M61HOT Throw Head $114.99
High/Low Bezel Switch for MD2 $28.99
MD2 Body and Switch - Tricap $64.99
Subtotal $208.97

Anything missing?

Thanks dude!



I would say the M61HOT with its retina-burning focused beam (20,000 lumens vs. 7000 for the WC) and the far longer run time in the MD2 body.

The Wildcat v.6 really needs the longer bodies/larger cells to get decent run time.

[NH Shooter]

Ok. Here's what I've got in my shopping cart:

Malkoff MDX22.3-M61HOT Throw Head $114.99
High/Low Bezel Switch for MD2 $28.99
MD2 Body and Switch - Tricap $64.99
Subtotal $208.97

Anything missing?

Thanks dude!

Buy the complete light (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/m61hot-md2?variant=45482623939)! It's 188.99 purchased complete vs. lego.

[Exiledviking]

And sign up for their emails as it gets you a discount!

[Clusterfrack]

Buy the complete light (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/m61hot-md2?variant=45482623939)! It's 188.99 purchased complete vs. lego.

Jeez. Malkoff has the most confusing and difficult to use site I've ever seen. Seriously, WTF? That light didn't show up when I looked for complete lights.

Thanks again.

Purchased and on the way. Total including free shipping $170.10.

[NH Shooter]

Purchased and on the way. Total including free shipping $170.10.

Are you already set up with batteries and a charger?

[Clusterfrack]

Are you already set up with batteries and a charger?

Yup. I’ve got plenty. Do you have a favorite battery?

[NH Shooter]

Yup. I’ve got plenty. Do you have a favorite battery?

Been using he KeepPower brand and find them to be good to go.

KeepPower 18650 (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18650-keeppower-3500mah-sanyo-ncr18650ga-protected-button-top.html)

[blues]

Been using he KeepPower brand and find them to be good to go.

KeepPower 18650 (https://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/batteries/18650-keeppower-3500mah-sanyo-ncr18650ga-protected-button-top.html)

Same here. Never a hiccup.

[El Cid]

This is the other (and most likely the primary) light I'll be using at the Low Light Pistol Operator course;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/edc-3.jpg


M61T-MD2 with Tricap and High-Low Switch (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/m61t-md2?variant=45427236867) run on a pair of IMR 18350 1200 mah cells (https://www.illumn.com/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html). This set up will provide a steady 450 lumens/14,000 lux for at least 75 minutes before gradually tapering off (to prompt a battery reload). Equipped with the Raven Concealment clip and DIY finger lanyard, it fits in a pocket quite well. The O-rings seen on the head allow easier one-hand grip for turning the bezel and operating the high-low switch. At 6.8 ounces and built like the typical Malkoff brick poop house, serves as a viable improvised impact tool in a SD scenario.

I also tried this on a MD3 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md3-body-and-switch) to use 18500 cells (over 2.5 hours of continuous full output) but I like the handling of this shorter MD2 version better.

Where is everyone getting these nifty paracord finger do-jobbers? Didn’t see them on Malkoff’s site. My google-fu is weak...

[NH Shooter]

Where is everyone getting these nifty paracord finger do-jobbers? Didn’t see them on Malkoff’s site. My google-fu is weak...

Those are strictly DIYDJs (do it yourself do jobbers). :-)

Just buy some paracord and hardware and have fun experimenting!

https://paracordgalaxy.com/42-499-paracord

https://paracordgalaxy.com/30-hardware

http://www.animatedknots.com/constrictor/#ScrollPoint

[Drang]

Jeez. Malkoff has the most confusing and difficult to use site I've ever seen. Seriously, WTF?
I'm glad you said it. Every time I read these threads about their lights I get all excited and go there and try to make sense of what is listed compared to what I was just reading about...

[NH Shooter]

I'm glad you said it. Every time I read these threads about their lights I get all excited and go there and try to make sense of what is listed compared to what I was just reading about...


Jeez. Malkoff has the most confusing and difficult to use site I've ever seen. Seriously, WTF? That light didn't show up when I looked for complete lights.


I communicate with Gene Malkoff via email and would be happy to relay your observations - feel free to PM me or post your specific observations about the site so I can share them. Be sure to mention whether you are using the site with a hand held or with a PC.

The Malkoff website was recently updated and while it is more visually attractive, I have to agree that it can be difficult to navigate. Since I'm such a firm believer in the product and the service, I'm happy to help resolve those issues.

[jellydonut]

I'm glad you said it. Every time I read these threads about their lights I get all excited and go there and try to make sense of what is listed compared to what I was just reading about...

Indeed, it is a website more geared towards flashlight nerds that already know what they need. They could stand to make it a bit easier to navigate for those that just want a good light without fussing over the details.

[NH Shooter]

Indeed, it is a website more geared towards flashlight nerds that already know what they need. They could stand to make it a bit easier to navigate for those that just want a good light without fussing over the details.

Yes, a great way to state it!

One of my recommendations would be to make easy navigation to complete lights a priority. Us geeks looking for lego parts already know where/how to find them..:-)

[Exiledviking]

Exactly. Make it easy to find the complete flashlights. And something like a guide that asks what batteries do you want to use and are you looking for high output or long run time.

Perhaps do a flowchart for the parts or compatibility chart. One showing only the LED drivers and their respective voltage range would be a great help.

I hope I'm making sense, haven't had my coffee yet...

[Clusterfrack]

PM Inbound.


Jeez. Malkoff has the most confusing and difficult to use site I've ever seen. Seriously, WTF? That light didn't show up when I looked for complete lights.

Thanks again.

Purchased and on the way. Total including free shipping $170.10.


I communicate with Gene Malkoff via email and would be happy to relay your observations - feel free to PM me or post your specific observations about the site so I can share them. Be sure to mention whether you are using the site with a hand held or with a PC.

The Malkoff website was recently updated and while it is more visually attractive, I have to agree that it can be difficult to navigate. Since I'm such a firm believer in the product and the service, I'm happy to help resolve those issues.

[Clusterfrack]

The first question is whether Gene is interesting in increasing his sales and profits. If he's happy with his current clientele, then nothing needs to be done. If sales and profits are important, I would recommend hiring a professional to analyze his business model, potential market, competition, etc., and design a website accordingly. This P-F thread is more informative than his entire site, and that's pretty sad.

My recommendation: nuke the entire site from orbit. Start from scratch with professional help.



Jeez. Malkoff has the most confusing and difficult to use site I've ever seen. Seriously, WTF? That light didn't show up when I looked for complete lights.

Thanks again.

Purchased and on the way. Total including free shipping $170.10.


I communicate with Gene Malkoff via email and would be happy to relay your observations - feel free to PM me or post your specific observations about the site so I can share them. Be sure to mention whether you are using the site with a hand held or with a PC.

The Malkoff website was recently updated and while it is more visually attractive, I have to agree that it can be difficult to navigate. Since I'm such a firm believer in the product and the service, I'm happy to help resolve those issues.


Indeed, it is a website more geared towards flashlight nerds that already know what they need. They could stand to make it a bit easier to navigate for those that just want a good light without fussing over the details.

[NH Shooter]

The first question is whether Gene is interesting in increasing his sales and profits. If he's happy with his current clientele, then nothing needs to be done.

That is a great observation.

I believe they have been a small "mom and pop" operation from the beginning when their business was entirely LED drop-in modules for old Surefire and Mag Light products. To this day, Gene and Cathy Malkoff reply to all emails and answer the phone themselves. Having been a small business owner myself, I can appreciate the attraction of limiting overhead and avoiding the headache of employees.

Another aspect of this is indeed the competition: the flood of cheap import lights, and competing against other top-tier but much larger companies like Surefire. Without a doubt Malkoff has carved a small niche of loyal enthusiasts who appreciate the product and the extraordinary customer service that is provided (both pre and post sale). There is a certain charm that can only be appreciated once you have dealt with them, something a larger (or foreign) company simply can't match.

BTW, welcome to the Malkoff Enthusiasts Club. ;-)

[El Cid]

Those are strictly DIYDJs (do it yourself do jobbers). :-)

Just buy some paracord and hardware and have fun experimenting!

https://paracordgalaxy.com/42-499-paracord

https://paracordgalaxy.com/30-hardware

http://www.animatedknots.com/constrictor/#ScrollPoint

Thanks!

[ST911]

The last time I needed something from Malkoff, Gene answered the phone personally and we talked long after taking care of our light-related business. What a great guy.

[blues]

The last time I needed something from Malkoff, Gene answered the phone personally and we talked long after taking care of our light-related business. What a great guy.

He, Cathy and Todd are great. We usually talk guns more than lights whenever I have occasion to call. They are just a pleasure to deal with.

[Clusterfrack]

So, my light shipped already. What great service. I’m especially excited because I’ll get to use it at a martial arts camp in July that involves fighting at night, and flashlights as weapons.

[blues]

So, my light shipped already. What great service. I’m especially excited because I’ll get to use it at a martial arts camp in July that involves fighting at night, and flashlights as weapons.

You picked the right maker for rough use.

I told Gene a few weeks back that I was doing something in the garage and dropped one of his MDC's on the concrete slab floor from about sternum height or so. Not a ding, not a scratch, not a flicker. (He always enjoys hearing that his gear doesn't disappoint.)

(You'll probably have a hand written thank you note from Cathy in your box.)

[theJanitor]

I've been using malkoff products for ten years now. It's easy to recommend products that have never failed you. In fact I gave one of my son's classmate's mother one the other night. She sees me use quality lights and wanted one, too. I pulled a single cell light from my briefcase and handed it to her. She was incredibly happy

I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the 700 lumen head for the double cell light

[NH Shooter]

I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the 700 lumen head for the double cell light

New addition to the line up just yesterday - MDC Bodyguard Head (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/malkoff-mdc-bodyguard-head)

[Mirolynmonbro]

I was told a new bodyguard light will be released this week. Using the shroudless body. I was waiting for that release instead of getting the MD2, but I think I want the hi/lo switch

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/mdc-bodyguard

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

[farscott]

While delving through the Malkoff site, I found a really useful (for me) light. It uses a LED optimized for UV output with a wavelength of 365 nm. Useful for me as my wife has chickens and I am always dealing with the ramifications thereof. A good UV light is awesome for finding parasites and insects and for tracking leaks.

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-small-led-flashlights/products/malkoff-mdc-16650-365nm-uv-flashlight

[Clusterfrack]

M61HOT with MD2 Tricap and High/Low switch. Output on high is very similar to the Klarus XT2C. Low on both lights is similar as well. I like it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180629/5a9c93b99991e159ef9ed0456f1ed7b4.jpg

[Blades]

Question for the Malkoff people "in the know". I have a Malkoff MDC TAC 1x123. It comes on high first, tap again for low. What I want is high only. Can I just replace the head? Thank you.

[jellydonut]

Question for the Malkoff people "in the know". I have a Malkoff MDC TAC 1x123. It comes on high first, tap again for low. What I want is high only. Can I just replace the head? Thank you.

Yes, the mode switching electronics are in the head. The MDC bodies are compatible with Surefire E-series threads, so any E-series compatible head would work. For a 1xCR123 you'll need a 3V head, so something like this (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e1t-scout-m300-1cr123-head) would work well.

You may be able to sell the MDC head by itself on Candlepowerforums or other flashlight nerd places to recoup some of the 'loss' so to speak, if you do not foresee ever using the multi-mode head again. Personally I also can't stand mode-switching lights.

[Drang]

I communicate with Gene Malkoff via email and would be happy to relay your observations - feel free to PM me or post your specific observations about the site so I can share them. Be sure to mention whether you are using the site with a hand held or with a PC.

The Malkoff website was recently updated and while it is more visually attractive, I have to agree that it can be difficult to navigate. Since I'm such a firm believer in the product and the service, I'm happy to help resolve those issues.

Exactly. Make it easy to find the complete flashlights. And something like a guide that asks what batteries do you want to use and are you looking for high output or long run time.

Perhaps do a flowchart for the parts or compatibility chart. One showing only the LED drivers and their respective voltage range would be a great help.

Add a glossary. "Driver? what driver, I'm looking for a flashlight, not software!" (Or, in my father's case, "Not a new golf club!")

I'm thinking a chart of features, and/or the ability to check a box of features you want, or uncheck boxes of features you don't want.
"Light Intensity"
"Switch Function"
"Number/Type Batteries"

Too many of the product descriptions refer to components by their part number, with the description of what that means being hard to find. Many references to feature sets or descriptions that only regulars at Candlepower Forums would understand, it's daunting to the uber-tech flashlight tyro who has no interest in collecting flashlights...

[Drang]

Add a glossary. "Driver? what driver, I'm looking for a flashlight, not software!" (Or, in my father's case, "Not a new golf club!")

I'm thinking a chart of features, and/or the ability to check a box of features you want, or uncheck boxes of features you don't want.
"Light Intensity"
"Switch Function"
"Number/Type Batteries"

Too many of the product descriptions refer to components by their part number, with the description of what that means being hard to find. Many references to feature sets or descriptions that only regulars at Candlepower Forums would understand, it's daunting to the uber-tech flashlight tyro who has no interest in collecting flashlights...

My "Edit" period expired while I was typing... :o

I was just checking out the listing martin_j001 has up in the For Sale, Non-Firearms listings (WTS: Malkoff MDC flashlight (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29989-Malkoff-MDC-flashlight)) and went to Malkoff's site for some details.
Which were lacking.
It uses a rechargeable battery. How does the battery charge? Do you plug the flashlight into a charger, maybe by USB? Is there a charging stand or dock for the whole flashlight? Do you remove the battery and put it in a charger? If so, what charger?
More photographs of the light might be helpful, too. It would be obvious if there was a way to plug the light in to charge, and customers might like views of the bezel and tailcap, the way the clip is attached, etc.

[blues]

^^^^That's a great light. (I have one in neutral.) You remove the battery and place it in a charger like this one (https://www.amazon.com/Nitecore-Charger-Universal-Rechargeable-Batteries/dp/B00KW2ZDJO).


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/7326/products/KIMG0033_575a8c61-4cee-4373-a0f3-10f18b9e1caa_2000x.jpeg?v=1441119939

[Exiledviking]

My "Edit" period expired while I was typing... :o

I was just checking out the listing martin_j001 has up in the For Sale, Non-Firearms listings (WTS: Malkoff MDC flashlight (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29989-Malkoff-MDC-flashlight)) and went to Malkoff's site for some details.
Which were lacking.
It uses a rechargeable battery. How does the battery charge? Do you plug the flashlight into a charger, maybe by USB? Is there a charging stand or dock for the whole flashlight? Do you remove the battery and put it in a charger? If so, what charger?
More photographs of the light might be helpful, too. It would be obvious if there was a way to plug the light in to charge, and customers might like views of the bezel and tailcap, the way the clip is attached, etc.


I have the Nitecore D2 charger which is one of the recommended chargers on several sights. I like it. I use it for a couple of 16650 batteries as well.
It appears to be the same charger in the pic above.

[NH Shooter]

I've been using a Xtar VP2 and am pleased with it -

https://lightjunction.com/products/xtar-vp2-battery-charger?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=30460762820

[Exiledviking]

The forum won't let me edit my above post.

The Nitecore D2 charger is also the charger that Malkoff sells on their website. That says a lot to me.

Got to check out my new-to-me MD2 M61HOT today in the local indoor range. I LIKE it a lot. I'm afraid this will lead to more Malkoff flashlights in my meager collection.

[NH Shooter]

Got to check out my new-to-me MD2 M61HOT today in the local indoor range. I LIKE it a lot. I'm afraid this will lead to more Malkoff flashlights in my meager collection.

Welcome to the Malkoff Enthusiasts Club. Hold on to your wallet. But the peace-of-mind is that they are well-deserving of the support!

[Blades]

Yes, the mode switching electronics are in the head. The MDC bodies are compatible with Surefire E-series threads, so any E-series compatible head would work. For a 1xCR123 you'll need a 3V head, so something like this (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-e1-e2-and-scout-lights/products/e1t-scout-m300-1cr123-head) would work well.

You may be able to sell the MDC head by itself on Candlepowerforums or other flashlight nerd places to recoup some of the 'loss' so to speak, if you do not foresee ever using the multi-mode head again. Personally I also can't stand mode-switching lights.


Thank you.

[Exiledviking]

This is the other (and most likely the primary) light I'll be using at the Low Light Pistol Operator course;

http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/edc-3.jpg


M61T-MD2 with Tricap and High-Low Switch (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/malkoff-mid-sized-led-flashlights/products/m61t-md2?variant=45427236867) run on a pair of IMR 18350 1200 mah cells (https://www.illumn.com/18350-keeppower-imr18350-1200mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html). This set up will provide a steady 450 lumens/14,000 lux for at least 75 minutes before gradually tapering off (to prompt a battery reload). Equipped with the Raven Concealment clip and DIY finger lanyard, it fits in a pocket quite well. The O-rings seen on the head allow easier one-hand grip for turning the bezel and operating the high-low switch. At 6.8 ounces and built like the typical Malkoff brick poop house, serves as a viable improvised impact tool in a SD scenario.

I also tried this on a MD3 body (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/md3-body-and-switch) to use 18500 cells (over 2.5 hours of continuous full output) but I like the handling of this shorter MD2 version better.

A couple of questions for you:

Where can I find the o-ring you have on the head. That's a great addition. While trying to turn the head on mine to go to the low setting this evening I realized that the o-ring you have makes a lot of sense.

Speaking of o-rings, I saw it posted somewhere to use o-rings on the front and back of the 18650 batteries in MD2 lights if they'll see rough use. Where can I find those o-rings?

I have SF 9P with a MD M61 LED drop-in that I like a lot as a nightstand light. However, I'd much prefer to have a similar size-wise flashlight that uses rechargeable batteries. So, your MD3 above using 2 18500 batteries looks like the hot ticket. I'm leaning towards the Malkoff MDX22.3-M61T Throw Head but the Wildcat V.6 Neutrall has great appeal too. For indoor, primarily, use is the Wildcat Neutral a better choice?

Looks like my SF 6P and 9P will be relegated to back-up status. I still need to upgrade the LED drop-in in the 6P. I have no idea which MD drop-in one to buy for it.

Again, thanks for all of the great info in this thread.

[jellydonut]

A couple of questions for you:

Where can I find the o-ring you have on the head. That's a great addition. While trying to turn the head on mine to go to the low setting this evening I realized that the o-ring you have makes a lot of sense.

Speaking of o-rings, I saw it posted somewhere to use o-rings on the front and back of the 18650 batteries in MD2 lights if they'll see rough use. Where can I find those o-rings?

I have SF 9P with a MD M61 LED drop-in that I like a lot as a nightstand light. However, I'd much prefer to have a similar size-wise flashlight that uses rechargeable batteries. So, your MD3 above using 2 18500 batteries looks like the hot ticket. I'm leaning towards the Malkoff MDX22.3-M61T Throw Head but the Wildcat V.6 Neutrall has great appeal too. For indoor, primarily, use is the Wildcat Neutral a better choice?

Looks like my SF 6P and 9P will be relegated to back-up status. I still need to upgrade the LED drop-in in the 6P. I have no idea which MD drop-in one to buy for it.

Again, thanks for all of the great info in this thread.

For the o-ring on the head you could just find some in a set that might fit, but the battery o-rings ('battery bumper' o-rings) are sold by Malkoff (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/parts-and-miscellaneous-items/products/battery-bumper-kit), and are a good idea to buy since you want these to have the correct fit.

[NH Shooter]

Where can I find the o-ring you have on the head. That's a great addition. While trying to turn the head on mine to go to the low setting this evening I realized that the o-ring you have makes a lot of sense.

I just used some that I had on hand. They are Danco #30 which have a 7/8" ID and stretched them over the head. Two fit in a groove with a little room to spare.

Also be sure to lubricate the bare aluminum on the body where the brass switch makes contact. I place a very thin film of silicone grease on that surface so the head doesn't stick when tightened.


...your MD3 above using 2 18500 batteries looks like the hot ticket. I'm leaning towards the Malkoff MDX22.3-M61T Throw Head but the Wildcat V.6 Neutrall has great appeal too. For indoor, primarily, use is the Wildcat Neutral a better choice?

For indoor use the Wildcat v.6 is awesome. I use it on the MD2 body with a set of IMR 18350 cells for my "nightstand light." On low it is IMO perfect - a wide spread of light without being too bright.


Looks like my SF 6P and 9P will be relegated to back-up status. I still need to upgrade the LED drop-in in the 6P. I have no idea which MD drop-in one to buy for it.

For a general purpose light the M361 LMH (in either cool or neutral) is a great choice. Otherwise I would roll with the M61 (cool or neutral).

[That Guy]

If I may hijack the thread for a bit, I'd like to take advantage of the high degree of knowledge of Malkoff products displayed in this thread.

My current AR weapon light is an old Surefire 2-cell light that dates back to - I think - early naughties, that has been upgraded with a Malkoff device that is several years old. I've been thinking about upgrading it, and one idea has been to pick Malkoff components, but as others have pointed out it's not that easy to pick the right ones. So what I am looking for is:

* The light is not coming off the rifle so the end result must be durable enough to withstand being mounted to a rifle all the time. This shouldn't be a problem. :)
* I want to use primary cells, not rechargeables. (The logistics are much simpler this way.)
* I am in the all the lumens camp, but only within reason. A five minute runtime on a weapon light would not be very useful.
* I want a beam that has enough spill to be useful in close ranges, but can reach out there for more distant targets.
* I'm not entirely satisfied with the Surefire tail cap, as I find the button protrudes a bit too much for the current application of the light. One must take care a bit not to ND the light unintentionally or (more often) too early. However I absolutely do not care for any tail cap where the light can go constant on accidentally! A momentary only would be preferred, or if a clicky is the only option, one that requires a deeeeep push of the button to click it on.
* The light should either be a single output mode, or the selection of output modes should be very distinct. No Morse coding Assembly code to the flashlights processor via a clicky tail cap, please. :) (Turning the bezel or tail cap to access high/low is acceptable.)

NH Shooter, any suggestions?

[NH Shooter]

NH Shooter, any suggestions?

These come with Malkoff E2 heads;

https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/600-series-light

...then pick an Arisaka mount of your choice.

[That Guy]

These come with Malkoff E2 heads;

https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/600-series-light

...then pick an Arisaka mount of your choice.

Thank you. However, I don't think I can get any Arisaka products since to my knowledge they don't ship abroad. (And none of the usual remailer services will touch any firearm stuff.) Also, sounds like that would get quite expensive. I was really hoping for an upgrade to the current tube, since I already have it mounted to the gun and everything.

[NH Shooter]

I was really hoping for an upgrade to the current tube, since I already have it mounted to the gun and everything.

Ah, OK.

Sticking with the current Surefire body (and primary cells only) limits you to M61 drop-ins. Right now this seems the one with the greatest output (425 lumens), though it's probably closer to 500 running on a set of CR123 lithium batteries;

https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61-mod-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff

[Hizzie]

That Guy

Malkoff shrouded tailcap would help with the lumen AD’s. Sadly the SF Z48/49 was discontinued. https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/products/tailcap-switch-for-md2-md3-or-md4

The current M61 is rate for 425 lumens for 75 minuets before taper. https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/surefire-drop-ins-for-6p-g2-c2-etc-6-9-volts/products/m61-mod-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff

More output or throw would require a new light as the Malkoff M61T and M91T heads only fit Malkoff MD2/3/4 bodies. The Arisaka m300/600 body with Malkoff E1T/E2T head is really nice.

[NH Shooter]

Malkoff should pay you to redo their website. Jeez, it’s terrible. Why not have packages pre-selected. Then people could actually buy their products.

I had a conversation with Gene last week about the website. I offered some suggestions, including making it easier to find their complete flashlights. On the home page the complete lights (small, medium and large) are now listed just below the banner - https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/

We also got onto the topic of how rugged his lights are and how that is truly what separates them from much of the competition. He told me the story of a Rhode Island LEO who carries a Hound Dog (https://malkoff-devices.myshopify.com/collections/large-malkoff-led-flashlights/products/turnkey-hound-dog-md4?variant=21164472259) and how he used it to smash out a windshield. The light had already seen plenty of abuse and when the lens cracked breaking out the windshield, he sent it back for a lens replacement. When Gene saw how beat up the light was and still 100% functional, he wanted to keep it as an example of how much abuse his lights can take. He offered a new light (same model) in exchange for the beater - of course the offer was accepted. I suggested he create a section on the website with photos and stories of Malkoff lights surviving abuse that most others would not.

He also has some new products in the works that I think are going to be very interesting to those of us who use hand held lights for defensive/LE purposes.

Good people, incredible CS and great products made by a small family owned and operated U.S. company. American entrepreneurialism at its best, going toe-to-toe with the big guys and the glut of cheaper Chinese imports. I can find nothing not to like.

[Clusterfrack]

I carried the M61HOT MD2 on my trip to Idaho. It worked great! The head loosened so it was on low a couple times. Looks like I need to tighten it hard. And a whole week of use only depleted the battery by 15%.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/8eb8f01338eae80a89aefe07dfb9c965.jpg

[Gio]

To add to this thread, I finally bought an M61 for a new 6P body I've had in a drawer for years. I have to say I am super impressed. While it states 425 lumens, it feels like this light far outperforms that compared to competitive lights that advertise higher lumens. I had it out on the beach and in the dunes at night last week and would put this light on par with an X300Ultra for how well it lit everything. The x300U had a tighter hot spot and threw a little further, but the malkoff lit up a wider area and seemed to be just as bright. I think one aspect that is very understated/under-advertised about the Malkoff products are how flat they run with regards to output throughout their battery life. Contrast that to most other lights on the market that have upwards of a 50% drop in output after the first few seconds while the Malkoff has almost no drop off and puts out the same amount of light for the full duration.

[Fish 14]

I'll revive a old thread.
Md3/m91thttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/ed54f5018114f44372518e94b437f216.jpg

[rca90gsx]

Got a VME head and the 425 lumen P61 drop in to renew an old E2D