Aimpoint just dropped ACRO P-1 MRDS!

[coldcase1984]

Holy Phudge! I’m uncommonly excited.

GJM, tell me you’ve been beta-testing!

[hiro]

here's a link (https://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-1/)

[cornstalker]

Following with intense interest.

[03RN]

I want to see it on a 1911

[GJM]

I want to see it on a 1911


I would be happy to just see one.

[Trukinjp13]

Oh man. Shit just got real. Looks a little funny but I bet that housing design makes her pretty durable.


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[Doc_Glock]

“Tested with a minimum of 20,000 rounds on a .40 cal pistol slide, this small optic has proven to lead in ruggedness and reliability in its category.”

The wave of the future begins.

[JodyH]

Now if H&K would just release their optics ready VP9 I'd consider jumping into the "MRDS on a pistol" fray with both feet.
Aimpoint and Trijicon are the only two companies I trust to eventually crack the MRDS durability nut, and so far Trijicon is close but not quite there (the dual illuminated is there as far as durability but 24/7 usability is poor compared to a dot).

I bet the ACRO P-2 will be GTG.
:cool:

[GJM]

If is a closed emitter, as I believe, that is a game changer for all weather defensive use.

[YVK]

Strangely, the links to AP's product page stopped working for me within last two minutes. Before that happened, I glanced on physical specs and I think it was 30 mm tall and wide. Tom's link says this is a tweaked version of a Nano and these dimensions seem to be similar to what I remember of Nano. If I recall correctly, Nano is larger than RMR but has a smaller optical window, hence, I am going to wait to become excited.

[KhanRad]

Do you have to remove the unit to change the battery?

[Wayne Dobbs]

Do you have to remove the unit to change the battery?

No

[Aray]

This may just be what many of us have been waiting for.

[Jamie]

Tagging on to this thread.

I'm waiting for ATEI to finish my G17 slide and RMR as I type this. The information gained here regarding RDS on pistols has been invaluable (you are all enablers, but I appreciate it :)).
Maybe this Aimpoint sight will go on my next conversion.

[JodyH]

If I recall correctly, Nano is larger than RMR but has a smaller optical window, hence, I am going to wait to become excited.
Larger window is nice, durability (and a sealed, enclosed emitter) is mandatory for a 24/7/365 optic IMO.

[farscott]

Interesting that it takes the CR1225 battery as the battery is smaller in both diameter and height. That explains the lower battery life, but the ability to change batteries without sight removal more than negates the smaller battery capacity.

[EVP]

Well it’s time to get a 19x for a host if this Aimpoint pans out.

[GJM]

Larger window is nice, durability (and a sealed, enclosed emitter) is mandatory for a 24/7/365 optic IMO.

Agreed — the analysis is more complicated than window size.

First question is EDC or gaming. For gaming, a large window is desirable. For EDC, the sealed emitter, durability, battery life, ability to change a battery without removing the unit, dot controls (manual vs auto, time out function, ease of changing intensity), shape of display, clearness of display, and ability to use BUIS are all factors that determine overall usefulness.

[Sigfan26]

No

Can it be mounted to a Glock MOS system?

[TAZ]

Can it be mounted to a Glock MOS system?

That would be super bonus material. Sadly, from the pics it looks like screws from underneath, like the T series.


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[YVK]

Larger window is nice, durability (and a sealed, enclosed emitter) is mandatory for a 24/7/365 optic IMO.

Yup. That said, if the window screen is roughly half that of RMR, I would just stay with the irons.

[Drang]

here's a link (https://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-1/)

That link (which says it is Aimpoint's page for the Acro P-1) goes to random Aimpoint products.

Edited for clarity.

[CDFIII]

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Here’s a picture that will probably cost me money.

[JHC]

Now if H&K would just release their optics ready VP9 I'd consider jumping into the "MRDS on a pistol" fray with both feet.
Aimpoint and Trijicon are the only two companies I trust to eventually crack the MRDS durability nut, and so far Trijicon is close but not quite there (the dual illuminated is there as far as durability but 24/7 usability is poor compared to a dot).

I bet the ACRO P-2 will be GTG.
:cool:

An optic ready 19X might be in the works.

[dontshakepandas]

It makes perfect sense that this news would drop today. Last year the RMR Type 2 dropped the day after I mounted my RMR Type 1. I ended up selling that one off to go back to irons but really missed it and just got my RMR Type 2 in the mail yesterday. I probably should have told you guys this was coming. My bad.

That said, while it does look like it will offer some benefits over the RMR, I think the size (specifically the extra .8" of height) would cause concealment issues for me. For duty or gaming use it seems like a great new option.

[Grey]

I am going to be all over this.

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

No

Hopeful that pesky Dobbs fella will clarify things for us, that last post was way too wordy.

[spinmove_]

Hopeful that pesky Dobbs fella will clarify things for us, that last post was way too wordy.

Well, I mean, it’s not like that link that Tom posted above actually does all that and answer the question or anything...


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[hiro]

That link (which says it is Aimpoint's page for the Acro P-1) goes to random Aimpoint products.

Edited for clarity.
As YVK posted, the link has been redirected to random Aimpoint products. It was working when I posted it, apologies for not copying the info over.

[GJM]

Yup. That said, if the window screen is roughly half that of RMR, I would just stay with the irons.


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Here’s a picture that will probably cost me money.

Looking at that picture, unless that is a Glock 42, it sure looks bigger than half the display size of an RMR.

[MistWolf]

Any idea how much they'll cost?

[Grey]

Any idea how much they'll cost?I imagine 600 bucks retail.

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[TAZ]

26905
Here’s a picture that will probably cost me money.

Looks like that pic will save me $$. Until I see it superimposed atop an RMR, it looks pretty big. Probably great for a duty gun, but may not be all that for a CCW. Hoping that pricing is aggressive enough to drive be the RMR down a bit.

[Grey]

Looks like that pic will save me $$. Until I see it superimposed atop an RMR, it looks pretty big. Probably great for a duty gun, but may not be all that for a CCW. Hoping that pricing is aggressive enough to drive be the RMR down a bit.

I agree, although it looks to me that the height is similar but it obviously has a fat butt. Won't make a lick of difference to me for CCW since the height is the issue rather than a tall front and a short back vs tall front and back.

[jwperry]

Looking at that picture, unless that is a Glock 42, it sure looks bigger than half the display size of an RMR.

To me, looking at that pic, I'm not sure I see any size saving benefit when compared to a T1/T2 on a Unity ATOM slide.

[David S.]

I’m guessing the above pic is a photoshop. If that’s actually to scale then it’s too big for me to conceal.

Looks like a great option to run atop a shotgun, though.

[GJM]

Typical PF thread, some folks think the new product is too big, others think it is too small, and still others question whether the product picture is real.

[andre3k]

Looks bulky based on the one pic I've seen so far. Won't get too excited until I see some high round counts and positive reviews

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[JodyH]

I'll wait for the initial bugs to get worked out by the ignorant, destructive masses and look into buying version 2 next year.


Typical PF thread, some folks think the new product is too big, others think it is too small, and still others question whether the product picture is real.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KndSVsY5HWM

[David S.]

Typical forum thread.

[Magsz]

Im super curious to see how this is going to mount.

From looking at the picture, it doesnt seem like we will be able to inset the optic INTO a slide very much.

Until someone releases actual product photography with this thing stuck on a slide, we will just have to wait and see. Any way you slice the pie its still pretty neat that companies are developing products for this application.

[JodyH]

Im super curious to see how this is going to mount.

From looking at the picture, it doesnt seem like we will be able to inset the optic INTO a slide very much.

Until someone releases actual product photography with this thing stuck on a slide, we will just have to wait and see. Any way you slice the pie its still pretty neat that companies are developing products for this application.
Something like a 1/2 or 3/4 scale Picatinny rail would be freaking awesome to standardize slide mounted optics around.

[dontshakepandas]

Here are the technical specs so people don't have to make assumptions based on a photo.

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As previously mentioned, it's quite a bit taller than an RMR, and the height is the same (or close to it) across the entire length of the sight which will make it a no go for concealment for me.

[Grey]

Here are the technical specs so people don't have to make assumptions based on a photo.

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As previously mentioned, it's quite a bit taller than an RMR, and the height is the same (or close to it) across the entire length of the sight which will make it a no go for concealment for me.

Great post for the specs:

Trijicon Type 2 RMR dimensions:
Dimensions
(L x W x H)
LED:
1.8 x 1.1 x 1.0 in.
46 x 28 x 25mm

Adjustable LED
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.0 in.
46 x 30 x 25mm

Dual Illumination:
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.0 in.
46 x 30 x 25mm

That makes is HUGE compared to the RMR... Disappointing.

[YVK]

Looking at that picture, unless that is a Glock 42, it sure looks bigger than half the display size of an RMR.

I am coming off of m4c info that measured RMR screen at 0.9x0.6 while Nano at 0.6x0.5. The above specs though show this new AP aperture at 0.6x0.6. So, 0.36/0.54 would actually be 2/3 of the screen surface area.

[JCS]

I’ve been experimenting with red dots the past year in preparation for this. If it’s MOS compatible I’ll be getting one for my nightstand gun. That’s also assuming it’s in the same ballpark as an rmr cost wise.

[GJM]

I am coming off of m4c info that measured RMR screen at 0.9x0.6 while Nano at 0.6x0.5. The above specs though show this new AP aperture at 0.6x0.6. So, 0.36/0.54 would actually be 2/3 of the screen surface area.

If someone is measuring RMR display height at the single high point, that is misleading in terms of usable display, as you can see from this picture.




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[Sigfan26]

The optic is a monster in physical dimensions! It's over 1/2" taller than a DP Pro.

[GJM]

The optic is a monster in physical dimensions! It's over 1/2" taller than a DP Pro.


So do you think it is gaming suitable? Same question for EDC?

[Sigfan26]

So do you think it is gaming suitable? Same question for EDC?

No question it would rule for gaming. It would be larger than I would like on my carry guns. It does look like BUIS would be usable. I am interested in how it mounts to a pistol. It looks like the only option would be an ATOM style mount (I could be completely wrong on this)

[CDFIII]

26922
a little more info. Not bad if information is accurate.

[JodyH]

I think it will make for a great field pistol RDS, especially with the somewhat small (for pistol use) reticle size.
I don't think it's going to be a player in the CCW/duty realm.

[TCB]

Hopefully this will be the one that cracks the code for a duty ready MRDO, seems like it has all the features that are necessary for an Agency issue on a large scale. The comparison photo/specs between it and the Trijicon doesn’t seem like it’s a much bigger footprint? It may not be shaped ideally for CCW but that’s not necessarily a big deal for a lot of folks...

[guymontag]

What is the screw footprint? TBD?

[dontshakepandas]

26922
a little more info. Not bad if information is accurate.

It looks like the shot of the deminsions that alloutdoor posted had the height and length switched. I was wondering how it was only like half as long as the RMR.

Those deminsions make a lot more sense and should open up more options. I still think the shape would be a no go for concealment for me, but if mounting is easy enough it should be killer for duty and gaming.

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[Trukinjp13]

What about having a kydex rig with a shrouded section for the acro?


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[Drang]

If it's as rugged as they claim, it might just be the berries for a 12 ga. pump...

[Sigfan26]

If it's as rugged as they claim, it might just be the berries for a 12 ga. pump...

A Holosun 507C works very well there...


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[WOLFIE]

Something like a 1/2 or 3/4 scale Picatinny rail would be freaking awesome to standardize slide mounted optics around.

If you are thinking what i am thinking, a mounting plate with a rail or a factory slide with an integral rail may be the future.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Was anyone else reminded of the Zeiss Z-point?


https://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us/hunting/riflescopes/reflex-sights/victory-z-point-reflex-sight.html

[SeriousStudent]

I have a Benelli M2 Entry gun still in NFA jail. When it gets out, I'll put a P1 on it.

[ranger]

Call me after GJM runs one or two for a while...……….

[WDR]

Call me after GJM runs one or two for a while...……….

Anyone want to run some over/under numbers on how long it'll take him to break one? :cool:

[GJM]

Hey, I am three or four weeks with one Delta Point direct milled on a P07 by Primary Machine and it is still going strong. Talking to another CO shooter at a match today, he has two DP Pro optics direct milled on a pair of 34s that are acting up.

[CDFIII]

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MOS plate compatible...maybe?

[CDFIII]

26959
MOS plate compatible...maybe?
Oops.. double tap.

[hiro]

MOS plate compatible...maybe?

I really hope so...

[WDR]

One thing that stands out to me, is that the window is looking really low, relative to the slide. Maybe super tall suppressor sights won't be necessary for BUIS with one of these.

[Grey]

One thing that stands out to me, is that the window is looking really low, relative to the slide. Maybe super tall suppressor sights won't be necessary for BUIS with one of these.The photo looks like regular height sights. Hoping the same.

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[greyghost]

That photo from Recoil really makes this look promising.

[jellydonut]

Yep. Ditch the MOS stuff and the adapter plate, get a proper mill job, and it's plenty low profile.

[Tod-13]

The photo looks like regular height sights. Hoping the same.

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Wouldn't it be interesting if the electronics were all on top, to make the window deeper to allow regular sights?

[Grey]

Wouldn't it be interesting if the electronics were all on top, to make the window deeper to allow regular sights?Im sold on it given the revised dimensions.

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[coldcase1984]

My 250+ sworn agency just switched to Gen5 17s and 19s. After doing our command/administrative staff officers, we gave them the opportunity to use a custom milled G17 with an RMR and they were wildly enthusiastic. These were all folks 40 and older.

They OK'd preparing a policy that would allow our officers to get a slide machined for RDOs of known quality. All this at officers' expense. This document is in the works.

OK by me as I've been buying my own equipment for 25+ years; and I want a 21st century equivalent of Han Solo's Blaster before I retire.

and it needs to be a closed system v. open emitter designs...

[GJM]

Just checked the Aimpoint website and the new optic is up on their website under the law enforcement and military segment.

[Drang]

here's a link (https://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-1/)

Yep, this link now works.

Didn't one of the releases say they were releasing it on the 11th? I guess that would be what one might call a "clue"...

[Sigfan26]

Yep, this link now works.

Didn't one of the releases say they were releasing it on the 11th? I guess that would be what one might call a "clue"...

And the product specs are still wrong...


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[LittleLebowski]

I would be happy to just see one.

I’d be happy to be able afford one without worrying about whether or not I will regret it.

[LittleLebowski]

Typical forum thread.

I blame the mods. #ModsHereAreShit (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ModsHereAreShit)

[Grey]

And the product specs are still wrong...


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWondering if the way they measure optics are just weird.

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[flyrodr]

Hoping these pan out, and aren't too large, as I just had a second RMR go out at range today. I'm beginning to feel like GJM Jr. . . .

[YVK]

And the product specs are still wrong...




If you know that specs are wrong, do you know what are the correct specs?

[Sigfan26]

Here are the technical specs so people don't have to make assumptions based on a photo.

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As previously mentioned, it's quite a bit taller than an RMR, and the height is the same (or close to it) across the entire length of the sight which will make it a no go for concealment for me.


If you know that specs are wrong, do you know what are the correct specs?

It had been previously linked that it was 1.9"Lx1.2"Hx1.2"W (which makes more sense, since the face is sqaure)

[YVK]

Got it.

Will wait, somewhat impatiently, once somebody gets one. The first dimension that I want to know is the window size.

[JHC]

I hear tell this sight has been tested through 20K rounds of .40 and it's on the Aimpoint site. And org that did that must have one helluva ammo budget.

[GJM]

I hear tell this sight has been tested through 20K rounds of .40 and it's on the Aimpoint site. And org that did that must have one helluva ammo budget.

And a few .40’s.

[HopetonBrown]

Unity Tactical said they're gonna have an adapter for it.

[SteveB]

Everybody’s going to have an adapter for it.

[El Cid]

I need to go measure a T-1. If this thing is close in size it will be fine. Plenty of us use T-1’s on pistols.

[Sigfan26]

I need to go measure a T-1. If this thing is close in size it will be fine. Plenty of us use T-1’s on pistols.

For EDC CCW?


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[Wayne Dobbs]

A T-1 is ~2.41" long.

[Sigfan26]

A T-1 is ~2.41" long.

Does the new optic use Pic rail as the mounting system?


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[Gio]

No current red dot is adequate for duty/service use, so comparing it to an RMR or Deltapoint is kind of apples to oranges. If it pans out to be reliable, a better comparison would be to a T1/T2, which are the only service grade red dots able to be mounted on pistols today.

[Joe Mac]

Has anyone seen an MSRP or street price on this? I can't find one..

[Grey]

Has anyone seen an MSRP or street price on this? I can't find one..No details yet from Aimpoint. They just posted this on their insta yesterday.

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[GJM]

Looking at the photos, it is hard to envision a place for screws to mount like with an RMR or DP Pro.

[Grey]

Looking at the photos, it is hard to envision a place for screws to mount like with an RMR or DP Pro.From the photos ive seen it has a rail in the base.

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[GJM]

From the photos ive seen it has a rail in the base.

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How might that rail play with a direct milled installation?

[Grey]

How might that rail play with a direct milled installation?Wondering if you can even direct mill this or if it will need an adapter plate?

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Edit:

Might need to slide the sight onto a slide from the rear and place the iron sight in front?

[TAZ]

Looking at the photos, it is hard to envision a place for screws to mount like with an RMR or DP Pro.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180614/2d79e183d91824c4f8f7c8cab68ae141.png

Pic from Aimpoints web site. Shows what looks like an undercut for a rail. The mounting screw also appears to move something towards the optic centerline, like one sees on scope bases. Machining could be done depending on how much rail is required. If you can make the rail shorter than the pocket it wouldn’t be hard to do. If the rail needs to run the entire length of the optic, you may need some clearance.

[Bart Carter]

Crap. Just when I thought I was through milling slides for red dots. :p

We really won't know how to mill until we see how it is mounted.

[El Cid]

For EDC CCW?


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There may be some who do. Mine rides an ALG 6 Second Mount.

[GJM]

Curious title for their article:

“Aimpoint drops the ACRO”

Wonder if they read PF?


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/14/aimpoint-acro/

[Bart Carter]

Curious title for their article:

“Aimpoint drops the ACRO”

Wonder if they read PF?


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/14/aimpoint-acro/

"Drops" as in introduces.

I wonder about their statement "Designed for direct integration onto pistol slides". Are they going to make it easy to attach to pistol slides? All pistol slides? Specific to certain manufacturers? I would love to get something like Vortex puts out so you can mill a slide specifically for the optic.

[Bart Carter]

Couple of more findings:

"Mount: Integrated keyed surface mount"

"Designed for direct integration onto pistol slides"

[drummer]

The AllOutdoor blog posted pics of the Acro mounted to a pistol at the Eurosatory show. Its mounted to a mini Picatinny looking rail.

Pic here https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180611_121016_resized_1.jpg

[Trukinjp13]

If the mini rail is designed to go inside the housing. Then it could still mount as low as a rmr. Bolt the rail to the slide and optic mounted to rail. Seems like that would be a very solid and consistent mount. Which would mean the milling would probably not have to have the bosses or a direct mill job off your specific optic. And no sealer plate for pistols.


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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Any updates re. the mounting system used (proprietary?) & availability?

[cornstalker]

Any idea where a guy would watch to see when these will actually be available? I am trying to decide whether to wait these out or go RMR.

I don't know much about Aimpoint. Are they another of the companies that announce a product a year before it hits the shelves?

[GJM]

FIFY


I don't know much about Aimpoint. Are they another of the European companies that announce a product over there a year before they tell their US division folks anything about the new product

[Trukinjp13]

This was posted in other rds thread. But figured this could use the bumpski as well.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/optics/exclusive-first-look-aimpoint-acro-p-1/

660$ msrp.

[Grey]

This was posted in other rds thread. But figured this could use the bumpski as well.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/optics/exclusive-first-look-aimpoint-acro-p-1/

660$ msrp.Holy crap, they have one in hand and thats the shit they put out? Reads like a fucking ad copy rather than an informative look at the optic itself.

Aimpoint should send one to one of our SMEs, they will actually tell us what the fuck we want to know, mounting it to the slide.

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[Trukinjp13]

Holy crap, they have one in hand and thats the shit they put out? Reads like a fucking ad copy rather than an informative look at the optic itself.

Aimpoint should send one to one of our SMEs, they will actually tell us what the fuck we want to know, mounting it to the slide.

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Looks to me like a mini pic rail. You bolt that to slide then the rds mounts like a typical cross slot pic mount. Should be solid.

But yeah, we need more info. Like how the Hell do I get a slide milled for one???

[Wayne Dobbs]

Holy crap, they have one in hand and thats the shit they put out? Reads like a fucking ad copy rather than an informative look at the optic itself.

Aimpoint should send one to one of our SMEs, they will actually tell us what the fuck we want to know, mounting it to the slide.

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PM to you...

[TAZ]

Holy crap. That window looks TINY. Hope it’s an optical illusion or lack of references.

[Grey]

PM to you...

Thanks for the message, Wayne.

[Sigfan26]

Holy crap. That window looks TINY. Hope it’s an optical illusion or lack of references.

Was just thinking that. Probably just bad photography


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[GJM]

Was just thinking that. Probably just bad photography


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I can't decide whether the window looks too big for EDC, and perfect for gaming, or too small for gaming and perfect for EDC.

[Sigfan26]

I can't decide whether the window looks too big for EDC, and perfect for gaming, or too small for gaming and perfect for EDC.

It’s bigger than I would be likely to carry. Never done competition.


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[MVS]

Holy crap. That window looks TINY. Hope it’s an optical illusion or lack of references.

Using the back of the slide as a reference and comparing that to my DPP and RMR, ya it looks pretty dang small.

[YVK]

Holy crap. That window looks TINY. Hope it’s an optical illusion or lack of references.


Using the back of the slide as a reference and comparing that to my DPP and RMR, ya it looks pretty dang small.

Glad you two mentioned it. I said exactly the same to GJM and he called me a pessimist.

[Default.mp3]

The window is smaller than an RMR's, according to the specs: https://www.aimpoint.com/fileadmin/user_upload/2015_Web_Content/Product_PDFs/User_Manuals/Sights/Acro_Series/15347-1_Manual_Acro_P-1_ENG_Web.pdf

0.63"×0.63" for the ACRO, while the RMR's published specs are 0.87"×0.63". DPP is at 1.01"×0.68", Aimpoint Micro T-2 and CompM5 are at 0.7" in diameter.

[jc000]

Well I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but with RDS does the window size really matter?

[Default.mp3]

Well I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but with RDS does the window size really matter?Bigger window means bigger FOV, which means the dot is easier/faster to find. Less of an issue with long guns, due to more points of contact, but more pronounced with handguns that are much less forgiving of a poor index, hence why GJM argues that the DPP is far superior to the RMR for gaming.

[BigT]

Im expecting mine in hand end of next month. Can't wait to try it

[YVK]

Well I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but with RDS does the window size really matter?

Yes as a general answer; more nuanced if you go into details. If you're shooting largely standing still and largely on one target, larger window is better but the performance difference is small. My times on Garcia dot drills or Bill Drill are not a ton different between DPP and RMR. Once you introduce other variables like moving, off positions or transitions, I find size does matter. That has even been confirmed with rifles when everyone jumped on AP Micro train and then some found out they did not shoot it as well in strange positions as full sized AP.

This opinion is not necessarily shared by everyone, including some on this site. On the other hand, RMR is a dominant optic in self defense or tactical community, while its share during last year USPSA optics nationals was just 10%.
This new AP optic induces some pessimism in me because its window is reported as smaller than RMR, it looks that way to me too, while overall unit size is larger.
The optimists like my friend GJM want to get their hands on to pass a judgment, and they are probably right.

[Grey]

I really hope AP gets these out this year and this isn't a "hey we released some info but the official drop isn't till SHOT 2019."

[Trukinjp13]

I really hope AP gets these out this year and this isn't a "hey we released some info but the official drop isn't till SHOT 2019."

I agree.

Maybe atei can cut the slide to direct mount the acro. That way you can bypass the mounting plate. Might be able to get it a little lower and no sealer plate to worry about.

[Wayne Dobbs]

I'm going to throw something out and it's not because I work for Aimpoint. I think that the ACRO is the next step up or paradigm shift on the pistol mounted RDS. All we've had to now are proof of concept sights that lacked durability and/or environmental adaptiveness. When they worked, they were a force multiplier and when they didn't, well, they broke your heart. So, the ACRO will now bring the durability and the environmental resistance needed for much better success. Window size or field of view is a constant topic with dot sights on carbines or pistols, but it shouldn't be with proper utilization. If you want small and compact, then you get small and compact, not big and wide.

I think that when RDS for pistols has finally fully evolved, it will not be a lot bigger than the profile envelope of a suppressor sights package and may not even be on the back of the gun. Think of some streamlined housing up front where we're used to looking with irons. Just a thought, but I think we're only on the front end of a journey that has lots more miles to go.

[spinmove_]

I think that when RDS for pistols has finally fully evolved, it will not be a lot bigger than the profile envelope of a suppressor sights package and may not even be on the back of the gun. Think of some streamlined housing up front where we're used to looking with irons.

This.

When I first started seeing dots on guns, it was the Docter sight on a mount on open guns. And that largely made sense how it was mounted due to it’s size. Then I saw a Roland and thought “why the hell isn’t it forward of the ejection port? That’s where my visual focus is trained to be and that’s the part of the gun I’m trying to steer...”.

Dots are getting there, but they’re not quite yet there for me yet. It’ll be interesting to see where it all goes.


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[runcible]

I think that until we see a significant move away from modified-Browning actions, that the real estate aft of the ejection port and forward of the rear sights will remain the most desirable for an RDS. Having whatever surface the reticle is displayed against, centered over the center of the firing hand's closed fist, reduces the wobble-zone significantly. Deviating the optic forwards or to the rear will exacerbate any wrist inclination, and allow for the dot to more readily drop out of view, as well as having less bone support.

(There's a maker out there doing G34 slides milled for Aimpoint T-1's forward of the ejection port.)

As far as focal placement, isn't a huge element of red dot usage in having a target focus? Being able to observe your target clearly and crisply before\during\after your shooting process ends, rather than having to shift focal points during each transition, is efficient and better informs the decision making as much as the shooting.

[Trukinjp13]

I have not used a pistol mounted rds forward of the ejection port. But imo I think I would prefer the rear. My rmr 2 on the g19.5 was fast and easy and It seemed very easy to pick up. With irons we focus on the front sight because that is what determines our bullet placement. With the dot, just track the dot. Holstering is also easier with the rear placement.

Reminds me of shooting an ak with forward mounted dot vs ar with rear. I much prefer the rear mounted. I realize I am comparing rifles to pistols. But it seems faster into view. Just my two cents.

[MSparks909]

I have not used a pistol mounted rds forward of the ejection port. But imo I think I would prefer the rear. My rmr 2 on the g19.5 was fast and easy and It seemed very easy to pick up. With irons we focus on the front sight because that is what determines our bullet placement. With the dot, just track the dot. Holstering is also easier with the rear placement.

Reminds me of shooting an ak with forward mounted dot vs ar with rear. I much prefer the rear mounted. I realize I am comparing rifles to pistols. But it seems faster into view. Just my two cents.

Same thing in regards to red dots on an AK...much like with pistols, the closer the optic is to your eye the greater the field of view is. I think pistol RDS will remain rear mounted for the foreseeable future.

Does the ACRO share mounting holes with any other RDS sights or is it proprietary?

[Grey]

Same thing in regards to red dots on an AK...much like with pistols, the closer the optic is to your eye the greater the field of view is. I think pistol RDS will remain rear mounted for the foreseeable future.

Does the ACRO share mounting holes with any other RDS sights or is it proprietary?

Not sure if proprietary but its different, using a "cross bolt" mounting system rather than screwing into a plate.

[Trukinjp13]

Same thing in regards to red dots on an AK...much like with pistols, the closer the optic is to your eye the greater the field of view is. I think pistol RDS will remain rear mounted for the foreseeable future.

Does the ACRO share mounting holes with any other RDS sights or is it proprietary?

My understanding is the mounting plate will mount to rmr mounting holes. Which would make the most sense anyways.

[CDFIII]

My understanding is the mounting plate will mount to rmr mounting holes. Which would make the most sense anyways.

This is the first time I have actually heard anything about mounting screw locations. I hope this is correct. Will make it easier for folks to transition when it actually comes to market.

[Grey]

My understanding is the mounting plate will mount to rmr mounting holes. Which would make the most sense anyways.Source? Didnt see that anywhere.

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[Trukinjp13]

https://www.aimpoint.com/fileadmin/user_upload/2015_Web_Content/Product_PDFs/User_Manuals/Sights/Acro_Series/15347-1_Manual_Acro_P-1_ENG_Web.pdf

Not here but good info. Trying find the source of mounting holes location. Slept a few days since then

[Grey]

https://www.aimpoint.com/fileadmin/user_upload/2015_Web_Content/Product_PDFs/User_Manuals/Sights/Acro_Series/15347-1_Manual_Acro_P-1_ENG_Web.pdf

Not here but good info. Trying find the source of mounting holes location. Slept a few days since then

The fact that they have the manual written up gives me hope this is a imminent release situation.

[Trukinjp13]

Okay I can not find anything about the rmr mounting holes. I think I was told that. But I am curious how the plates will mount since there are so many companies building rds ready pistols. I would love to see a actual picture of the mounting plate.

I am sorry about the misinformation.

[Rex G]

I was wondering why Aimpoint would suddenly drop a just-added product. It took some amount amount of reading determine that “drop” has now come to mean “add,” in the way that “bad” somehow came to mean “good,” once upon a time.

Well, time will tell whether this new product will stand up to long-term, heavy use. I am as concerned about the mount, as the internal parts.

[Trukinjp13]

I trust aimpoint and I believe the mount will be solid. We need a good detailed picture. But it should mount like a light to a pic rail. Which is far better then a couple screws holding it down vertically.

[Wayne Dobbs]

I was wondering why Aimpoint would suddenly drop a just-added product. It took some amount amount of reading determine that “drop” has now come to mean “add,” in the way that “bad” somehow came to mean “good,” once upon a time.

Well, time will tell whether this new product will stand up to long-term, heavy use. I am as concerned about the mount, as the internal parts.

Rex,

It's going to be great on the durability aspect. Aimpoint was focused on that like it was Job #1 all along and that's why it has taken a while to get to market. We didn't want to be on GJM's Wall of Shame like the EIGHT Delta Points that he has killed in the last year. I wonder if he painted little DP silhouettes on one of his aircraft like they were air to air victories?

[GJM]

Rex,

It's going to be great on the durability aspect. Aimpoint was focused on that like it was Job #1 all along and that's why it has taken a while to get to market. We didn't want to be on GJM's Wall of Shame like the EIGHT Delta Points that he has killed in the last year. I wonder if he painted little DP silhouettes on one of his aircraft like they were air to air victories?

I believe it was eight since fall and ten in the last year, if we want to keep score. On the bright side I haven’t broken one since late April.

[TAZ]

My understanding is the mounting plate will mount to rmr mounting holes. Which would make the most sense anyways.

One would hope they also make adapter plates that mount to MOS holes, and CORE holes and SIG holes ...

[JSGlock34]

I think with the Army adoption of the M17, the default footprint for new slide mounted optics should be based off of the Leupold Delta Point Pro. Adapter plates can be used for anyone who doesn't want to comply with that standard, but I'd rather see a default mounting option that doesn't require an interface between the optic and the slide. With $580M worth of M17/M18 pistols entering the US military, I'd think optics manufacturers would want to aim for this potential customer. SIG is producing a Romeo optic with the DPP footprint; I'd think other manufacturers will follow suit, particularly as new optics are introduced.

My two cents - but I'd hate to see slide mounted optics start looking like 1911 dovetails...

[GJM]

My buddy just broke his fourth DP Pro. First three on a 34 this one on a 320 X5.

[CDFIII]

28665
https://www.facebook.com/412220072149984/posts/1881232941915349/
Looks like Unity Mount is going to be a big winner! First I have seen as far as mounting goes.

[Trukinjp13]

28665
https://www.facebook.com/412220072149984/posts/1881232941915349/
Looks like Unity Mount is going to be a big winner! First I have seen as far as mounting goes.

Shit. That is a easy mill job!

[Grey]

There a copy of this vid for those of us not on facebook?

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[CDFIII]

There a copy of this vid for those of us not on facebook?

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Not sure.. I think it was a Facebook live post. May be up on the Guns and Ammo website.

[CS Tactical]

I can't wait to get these in!

[Grey]

I can't wait to get these in!You have a rough estimate yet?

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[CS Tactical]

You have a rough estimate yet?

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Wayne will know better than myself about when they are being released, but I will see if I can find out.

[Default.mp3]

Supposedly, the ACRO P-1 carries MSRP of $660 with an expected delivery for October 2018.

Source: https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/08/02/aimpoint-acro-p-1-mounting-plate-unmasked/

[Trukinjp13]

My buddy works at a large gun chain and spoke with a gentleman from Aimpoint. He told him October as well. Also said they should be set for the optics ready pistols out there.

[GJM]

Not sure this will supplant the DP Pro for gaming, but for EDC/Duty, if it has typical Aimpoint quality/durability/battery life, it should obsolete the RMR.

[YVK]

I'll defer to your expertise: what SMF vest would you recommend to conceal that for EDC? Is Filson still a thing, and do we have something that somebody who is not in a pre-geriatric age group can wear?

[peterb]

.....and do we have something that somebody who is not in a pre-geriatric age group can wear?

The only folks not in a pre-geriatric age group are geriatric. :rolleyes:

[GJM]

I'll defer to your expertise: what SMF vest would you recommend to conceal that for EDC? Is Filson still a thing, and do we have something that somebody who is not in a pre-geriatric age group can wear?

Might work on chest/waist dimensions first, to open up more clothing options. :p

[Sigfan26]

for EDC/Duty, if it has typical Aimpoint quality/durability/battery life, it should obsolete the RMR.

It will definitely compete. Doubtful that it will obsolete.


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[Trukinjp13]

It will definitely compete. Doubtful that it will obsolete.


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I think as far as a duty rig. This should dominate the rmr 2. Concealed carry not so much. But I think making a good iwb for it should not be too hard.

[Sigfan26]

I think as far as a duty rig. This should dominate the rmr 2. Concealed carry not so much. But I think making a good iwb for it should not be too hard.

If a company is making a duty holster that os compatible out of the chute, it might.


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[YVK]

Might work on chest/waist dimensions first, to open up more clothing options. :p

I wouldn't have to do any of this if you stopped being so capricious and just told us what's your favorite SMF vest. And the color.



Looking at that FB video, I don't see this new AP as anything other than a duty / open carry / casual concealment optic. I am sure it will do very well in that role.

[SCSU74]

If a company is making a duty holster that os compatible out of the chute, it might.


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I've been staring at my 6360rds all morning, based on the specs I think it will fit.. Especially in the ALS only version. There's plenty of room for the optic cover to clear it, I just don't know if there's enough room for the SLS hood.

Regarding IWB options, it will work in any already cut for RDS. At least all mine are open from about mid-slide on back. I have JM, Harry's and Holster Co all are the same.

Here are the sizes compared, not sure if already posted:

Acro

L: 1.9

H: 1.2

W: 1.2


DPP

L: 1.82

H: 1.3

W: 1.3


RMR

L: 1.8

H: 1.0

W: 1.2

Hopefully the extra .08" in length is towards the rear of the slide, plenty of room there. If it's forward it might cause issues with ALS.

[Wayne Dobbs]

It will definitely compete. Doubtful that it will obsolete.


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How about a cold beer on that one year from the date it's available? It's going to outdo RMR on durability and optic quality for sure. I'm thinking that pricing will also be competitive and the initial feedback I've gotten has been of the character that they were stunned with the performance and that's from folks that I've not seen get excited about this stuff.

I've told folks this about this sight: It is 1947 and you're buying a fleet of combat airplanes. You can go out there and buy many excellent prop driven planes that just won WWII...or you can wait a few weeks and we'll sell you a jet!

[Sigfan26]

How about a cold beer on that one year from the date it's available? It's going to outdo RMR on durability and optic quality for sure. I'm thinking that pricing will also be competitive and the initial feedback I've gotten has been of the character that they were stunned with the performance and that's from folks that I've not seen get excited about this stuff.

I've told folks this about this sight: It is 1947 and you're buying a fleet of combat airplanes. You can go out there and buy many excellent prop driven planes that just won WWII...or you can wait a few weeks and we'll sell you a jet!

I’d be down. To be honest, I’ve heard the same thing from everyone coming out with a new optic for the last 8 years. If I had a sample on hand, I can assure you, I would be footprinting it for future slide production and milling services (as I have no doubt it will sell)


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[SeriousStudent]

How about a cold beer on that one year from the date it's available? It's going to outdo RMR on durability and optic quality for sure. I'm thinking that pricing will also be competitive and the initial feedback I've gotten has been of the character that they were stunned with the performance and that's from folks that I've not seen get excited about this stuff.

I've told folks this about this sight: It is 1947 and you're buying a fleet of combat airplanes. You can go out there and buy many excellent prop driven planes that just won WWII...or you can wait a few weeks and we'll sell you a jet!

I'm going to get a Gen5 G17, have Lane do a G19-length grip chop and texture, and then have ATEI mill the slide for the mounting plate. Put a P1 on it and practice all winter. Then shoot it at the spring First Responder class.

And I'll rock an S-1 on a LEFT-HANDED 870 in October. I "stole" another shotgun this week. :cool:

[kitten_frenzy]

I'm really interested in this thing for CC. Who knows if it'll be worth a damn though.

http://optics-info.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2.png

[YVK]

Never heard of it before

https://www.eurooptic.com/55735-Docter-Docter-QUICKsight-50moa-VR-55735.aspx


P.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5UKCmcaBQ

Shotgun oriented sight that has no windage or elevation adjustments. Next.

[kitten_frenzy]

Never heard of it before

https://www.eurooptic.com/55735-Docter-Docter-QUICKsight-50moa-VR-55735.aspx


P.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5UKCmcaBQ

Shotgun oriented sight that has no windage or elevation adjustments. Next.

They're coming out with one for the Glock MOS (pictured). But yeah, it'd be silly if it wasn't adjustable. I doubt that's the case though.
Only info I was able to find on it:
http://optics-info.com/noblex-glock-mos-sight/

[BigT]

I'm really interested in this thing for CC. Who knows if it'll be worth a damn though.

http://optics-info.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2.png

Played with prototypes at IWA. Great concept, Lens is too small to be workable.

[coldcase1984]

Have been staving off urge to buy an RMR 2 in order to more quickly take advantage of our new RDS policy for issued Gen 5s.

The new MOS plate for the P1 is helping me hang tough. Only need to get a machinist to put a Gen 5 Ambi notch on my personal Gen 4 19 MOS Slide and get a P1.

Aimpoint will reset the bar significantly.

[Trukinjp13]

Bumping this up. Has anyone heard a actual or close to, release date? I want one of these badly to compare with my rmr2.

[Grey]

October.

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Jagerwerks cut this Glock slide for an ACRO:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1890/44670209011_a2b9d3b2f6_o.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1844/44620800322_f1c3e9a976_o.jpg

[GJM]

Looks big, I wonder what height back up sights they are using?

[bravo7]

Looks like a chopped T2....yuuge

[Grey]

Gosh that thing is big... might be going to an RMR...

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[Trukinjp13]

I have been debating another rmr2 vs the acro. The acro does look bigger but idk how much that will effect carrying. I am pumped for this and hope atei is ready from the drop. If not Ill send it to the other Michigan company.

[TAZ]

Jagerwerks cut this Glock slide for an ACRO:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1890/44670209011_a2b9d3b2f6_o.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1844/44620800322_f1c3e9a976_o.jpg

So is the cut like a mini pic rail with a T slot for the testing screw?

I’d love to see some pics comparing it to the RMR. Looks huge, but looks can be deceiving.

[Trukinjp13]

So is the cut like a mini pic rail with a T slot for the testing screw?

I’d love to see some pics comparing it to the RMR. Looks huge, but looks can be deceiving.

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[tcba_joe]

Jagerwerks cut this Glock slide for an ACRO:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1890/44670209011_a2b9d3b2f6_o.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1844/44620800322_f1c3e9a976_o.jpg

That's... hot

[theJanitor]

So is the cut like a mini pic rail with a T slot for the testing screw?


Much like what KC's Kustom has been doing to 1911's for T1/T2's
30272

[Trukinjp13]

That's... hot

I am a huge fan of the mounting system.

[secondstoryguy]

Not sure this will supplant the DP Pro for gaming, but for EDC/Duty, if it has typical Aimpoint quality/durability/battery life, it should obsolete the RMR.

I think so too. Even if the window is slightly smaller and the unit itself is a bit larger the positives (closed emitter, battery change without removal, Aimpoint reliability) outweighs these things especially on a duty gun with no concealment considerations. I’ve been on the fence about getting a RDS for my pistol and I think this bad boy might push me to get one...

It also really looks like factory height sights might be visible through the window which is cool.

[YVK]

So if various machine shops already have these optics in their hands, then how come nobody is posting any prelim reviews and impressions?

[jellydonut]

NDA's, presumably? Perhaps the prototypes out there are only dimensionally accurate but not technically complete, and Aimpoint does not want impressions of pre-production samples with pre-production problems out there.

[Wayne Dobbs]

I have a sample ACRO that I now have about 400 rounds through. All I can say is, stand by! It's going to be a significant step up. More to come.

[Super77]

It's going to be a significant step up.

Step up from what?

[TCFD273]

Step up from what?

I would guess the RMR/DPP


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[Grey]

I have a sample ACRO that I now have about 400 rounds through. All I can say is, stand by! It's going to be a significant step up. More to come.Thats what i want to hear.

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[Wayne Dobbs]

Step up from what?

It's going to be a step up in terms of durability, dependability, optical quality and ease of use. Here's how I've been describing it:

The year is 1947 and you've been tasked to equip a new air force. You can pick from a vast array of propeller designs that have just won WWII decisively...or you can wait a few weeks and buy jets.

[23JAZ]

It's going to be a step up in terms of durability, dependability, optical quality and ease of use. Here's how I've been describing it:

The year is 1947 and you've been tasked to equip a new air force. You can pick from a vast array of propeller designs that have just won WWII decisively...or you can wait a few weeks and buy jets.

Been holding off on purchasing an RMR because I wanted to see this sight first. I want to love this new Aimpoint but next to an RMR it looks freakin HUGE. I’d like to see someone concealing that in a JMCK and a t-shirt. I’m sure the quality is there and it will be great for open and/or duty carry but can you conceal it without wearing a SMFV or a button up?

[Trukinjp13]

Been holding off on purchasing an RMR because I wanted to see this sight first. I want to love this new Aimpoint but next to an RMR it looks freakin HUGE. I’d like to see someone concealing that in a JMCK and a t-shirt. I’m sure the quality is there and it will be great for open and/or duty carry but can you conceal it without wearing a SMFV or a button up?

I carry a g19.5/rmr2 and honestly I do not picture the acro being that much worse. I have a jmck iwb3 with tlr7. It has a 10 degree cant to it. You may have to have a different cant but the fact that the optic is on the top and faces forward should help with concealment. Hell the grip sticks out way longer then the optic will.

I am straight pumped for this personally. I believe with proper holster it will be gtg.

[jwperry]

Will this still fit in a Safariland RDO series holster? I think that'll really decide if this hits the ground running.

[GJM]

Will this still fit in a Safariland RDO series holster? I think that'll really decide if this hits the ground running.

What I am hearing is that it fits in the current model, but the protective hood doesn’t close — something being addressed by Safariland now, to be fully compatible with the Acro.

[El Cid]

I would cut one off to have a Mustang (the airplane, not the meh car). Sexiest, deadliest and most beautiful warbird ever.

P-51’s are exemplary but I’d take an F4U-4 over one any day.

Any chance you are allowed to share more photos of your ACRO?

[GJM]

P-51’s are exemplary but I’d take an F4U-4 over one any day.

Any chance you are allowed to share more photos of your ACRO?

Clearly a skilled investigative technique here!

[Wayne Dobbs]

P-51’s are exemplary but I’d take an F4U-4 over one any day.

Any chance you are allowed to share more photos of your ACRO?

I don't have any pics that I can share, but they're all over the Internet. I love that Corsair, too! The Marines did the Lord's work with them in the Pacific and in Korea, too. Saw one at the National Air and Space Museum last week at Dulles while at Aimpoint HQ for meetings.

[Grey]

I don't have any pics that I can share, but they're all over the Internet. I love that Corsair, too! The Marines did the Lord's work with them in the Pacific and in Korea, too. Saw one at the National Air and Space Museum last week at Dulles while at Aimpoint HQ for meetings.Is there a NDA expiration when the rest of us mortals will be getting more details?


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[Grey]

P-51 discussion split out to a new thread: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?33083-P-51-Mustang-(thread-drift-from-the-ACRO-P-1-thread)Mods are still shit. Thanks Tom!

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[Rc217]

Anyone have an idea if the ACRO has the same “fish bowl” effect as the rmr?

[tcba_joe]

Anyone have an idea if the ACRO has the same “fish bowl” effect as the rmr?

That really just seems to be a trijicon thing. SRS, MRO, RMR all have it while none of their competitors do.

[WobblyPossum]

The ACRO (https://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-1/) is now on Aimpoint's website. I don't check the site too often so I don't know if that's a recent change or not but, if it's recent, we're probably pretty close to the release date.

[Grey]

The ACRO (https://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-1/) is now on Aimpoint's website. I don't check the site too often so I don't know if that's a recent change or not but, if it's recent, we're probably pretty close to the release date.Believe it has been up for a while.

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[jbrimlow]

Apologies if I missed it earlier in the thread, but does anyone have (and can share) dimensions for the window?


ETA: The aimpoint website has the manual up, which says it's 16mm x 16mm

[SoCalDep]

I had the opportunity to try out an ACRO P-1 today, and I'm impressed. I'll be buying one. One thing I didn't think to check is co-witnessing, but from the standpoint of window clarity and lack of bloom on the dot (I have astigmatism) I was really happy with it. I'll be honest... It looks obnoxious, but the looks are deceiving and it shot great. It's a bigger window than the RMR but it gives me more focus than the DeltaPoint Pro or Romeo-1 (That sounds dumb, and it's hard to explain, but short story... I like it). Especially for a hard-use/duty gun, assuming it lives up to the hype, I think it's a solid answer.

I do hope that Safariland produces some good duty holsters soon.

[SLUZENE]

ACRO P1 on a G19


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-kuqi4nxFQ

[secondstoryguy]

Is it going to fit in the most recent generation of Safariland's "DO" style holsters? I'm sitting here looking at my newer DO style holster and it looks like it might work...

[wmu12071]

... It's a bigger window than the RMR...

I keep hearing this but the spec sheets don't seem to show it. Aimpoint says the "clear aperture" is 16mm x 16mm. Trijicon says the window size is 22mm x 16mm. Does it look larger because of the shape of the window?

[SoCalDep]

I keep hearing this but the spec sheets don't seem to show it. Aimpoint says the "clear aperture" is 16mm x 16mm. Trijicon says the window size is 22mm x 16mm. Does it look larger because of the shape of the window?

Yes. The Trijicon window is wider but it’s shape gives less vertical appearance, and that’s a bigger deal in my limited experience than the horizontal window size.

[GJM]

Mounting plate:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/08/02/aimpoint-acro-p-1-mounting-plate-unmasked/

[miller_man]

Getting very interested,, think I might finally jump in and get a pistol set up with a dot. Probably start saving my $$.

Just need you guys to start vetting them - and see if the ACRO can survive GJM!

[HeavyDuty]

Mounting plate:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/08/02/aimpoint-acro-p-1-mounting-plate-unmasked/

A probably stupid question - direct milling a slide to use the ACRO without a separate plate is likely possible, right?

[Grey]

A probably stupid question - direct milling a slide to use the ACRO without a separate plate is likely possible, right?Yes, the plate is just for the optic ready platforms.

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[HeavyDuty]

Yes, the plate is just for the optic ready platforms.

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Thanks - if I’m going to do this, it probably won’t be on a MOS host.

[Grey]

Thanks - if I’m going to do this, it probably won’t be on a MOS host.I would definitely direct mill for the optic or look into the new Agency mounting system.

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[Tom Duffy]

Getting very interested,, think I might finally jump in and get a pistol set up with a dot. Probably start saving my $$.

Just need you guys to start vetting them - and see if the ACRO can survive GJM!

Red dots DON'T survive GJM. :)

[Wayne Dobbs]

Red dots DON'T survive GJM. :)

Check with him in a couple of months about the ACRO....

[El Cid]

Check with him in a couple of months about the ACRO....

Smart! If I wanted some equipment tested thoroughly I’d send it to him.

[GJM]

It has been a slow summer on the wrecking things front. After breaking nine DP Pro units between September 2017 and late April/early May this year, I haven’t broken a Pro all summer despite an equivalent level of shooting. I did have a new RMR type 2 go tango uniform, but that was noted before a round was fired.

Look forward to getting that Acro!

[Tensaw]

Is there any thought that the ACRO may play better with a shotgun (or other long guns) than a T-1? (Mounts lower to the bore maybe?)

[YVK]

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Look forward to getting that Acro!

You can start warming up on that T-1 G17 that you dug out yesterday. Based on published specs, T-1 and Acro have near identical window surface areas and I wouldn't expect Acro to have less clear glass.

[SeriousStudent]

Is there any thought that the ACRO may play better with a shotgun (or other long guns) than a T-1? (Mounts lower to the bore maybe?)

I am planning on testing a P-1 on both of my SBS's, an 870 and a Benelli M2.

[Wayne Dobbs]

You can start warming up on that T-1 G17 that you dug out yesterday. Based on published specs, T-1 and Acro have near identical window surface areas and I wouldn't expect Acro to have less clear glass.

And you'd be so wrong...ACRO optics are one of its very strong points. I find them extremely good.

[GJM]

And you'd be so wrong...ACRO optics are one of its very strong points. I find them extremely good.

I think YVK got you with his double negative.

[YVK]

I think YVK got you with his double negative.

Talking to me daily helps to understand my garbled inglez, eh?


ACRO optics are one of its very strong points. I find them extremely good.

I've no doubt, Wayne. I expect them to be at least on par with T1 in optic clarity.

[Tensaw]

I am planning on testing a P-1 on both of my SBS's, an 870 and a Benelli M2.

Groovy. Please post your results. Was wondering about how the ACRO would mount up. Seems like the T-1 might actually have a smaller footprint at the mount which might play better with the curved receiver of a shotgun. Nonetheless, the ACRO (again) seems to sit lower which should be mo' betta for the shotgun. Watching with interest.

[cornstalker]

If I make myself look like an idiot here, it's probably true...

I am unfamiliar with the mounting system on the ACRO, and I don't totally understand Glock's MOS system. Is it likely that the ACRO could be used with the MOS system, or is it a whole different animal that would require direct milling?

[Grey]

If I make myself look like an idiot here, it's probably true...

I am unfamiliar with the mounting system on the ACRO, and I don't totally understand Glock's MOS system. Is it likely that the ACRO could be used with the MOS system, or is it a whole different animal that would require direct milling?

You could use it with the MOS if you have a mounting plate that is for the ACRO. The ACRO has a new mounting system that uses a cross bolt to lock in the rail interface between the optic and slide.

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[cornstalker]

Figures. Sorry about that. I will dig for it.

Edit:
It wasn't even very far back. Oops.

[Trukinjp13]

If I make myself look like an idiot here, it's probably true...

I am unfamiliar with the mounting system on the ACRO, and I don't totally understand Glock's MOS system. Is it likely that the ACRO could be used with the MOS system, or is it a whole different animal that would require direct milling?

I believe the mounting system of the acro will prove to be a better bet with mos guns.

Rmr you need the adapter, sealer plate then optic. So you sandwich the plate in between the two. So factor in the screws trying to hold everything together in a surface that is not perfectly milled to hold the optic. Any variance and the optic will move. Which will lead to failure.

Acro has a adapter to mount to the slide. So you can put a lil loctite under the plate and the screws. Torque to specs. Then the optic mounts to adapter via a wml type crossbolt. So the mount in my eyes is a lot stronger and the cross bolt is more likely to hold up then multiple screws trying to sandwich three flat surfaces together.


Mos mounting plates for acro

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180929/2e4d7774082c974b3f9cd1ebc6d7c30a.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180929/935b2e6b5f2678ed433c5d4b18a3255c.jpg


This should be a mos gun
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180929/267bf94156d738e97b0abcb8767f6e2f.jpg

Crossbolt mount
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180929/dcb00aacaf65c21feb5ee04d211a1bdb.jpg

[Wayne Dobbs]

Here's what I think will be the success formula for mounting with an MOS plate:

Clean and degrease the slide's screw holes and the mounting plate screws

Use RED Locktite on those interfaces

Use blue Locktite on the sight's transverse mounting screw

Shoot...a lot!

Even with no Locktite, I watched ~3K go through a gun with an ACRO in the past week and a half and there was no loosening, so I think that the above will take care of business well.

[Norville]

Nothing earth shattering, but some great pics. MSRP $660.

30907

[Moshjath]

I wonder if the ACRO’s window is low enough to use Trijicon HD’s or the American equivalent through it.

[GJM]

I wonder if the ACRO’s window is low enough to use Trijicon HD’s or the American equivalent through it.

Don’t think so.

[Grey]

Nothing earth shattering, but some great pics. MSRP $660.

30907Going to need to get down close to an RMR street price to really gain market share.

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[NickDrak]

Going to need to get down close to an RMR street price to really gain market share.

MSRP on the Type-2 Trijicon RM06 is $699.00

[Grey]

MSRP on the Type-2 Trijicon RM06 is $699.00Notice I said street, they are 450.

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[NickDrak]

Notice I said street, they are 450.

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Yes. If the MSRP of the ACRO ($660) is less than the MSRP of the RMR RM06 ($699) then the “street price” of the ACRO is very likely to be competitive with the RMR’s “street price”.

[Grey]

Yes. If the MSRP of the ACRO is less than the MSRP of the RMR RM06 then the “street price” of the ACRO is very likely to be competitive with the RMR’s “street price”.Eh, dont know if you can make that assumption.

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[SeriousStudent]

I wonder if the ACRO’s window is low enough to use Trijicon HD’s or the American equivalent through it.

I have a set of Ameriglo GL511 sights inbound.

I picked up a Gen5 G19 MOS on Friday morning, and it functions very well. I'm putting the Agency sights from it on a Gen2 G19 I got at the same shop.

Now just waiting on the tasty goodness from Aimpoint. I reeeeeally hope it's out in time for Tom Given's Advanced Instructor class later this month. But I'd also rather have a perfect optic, than anything rushed.

[GJM]

I have a set of Ameriglo GL511 sights inbound.

I picked up a Gen5 G19 MOS on Friday morning, and it functions very well. I'm putting the Agency sights from it on a Gen2 G19 I got at the same shop.

Now just waiting on the tasty goodness from Aimpoint. I reeeeeally hope it's out in time for Tom Given's Advanced Instructor class later this month. But I'd also rather have a perfect optic, than anything rushed.

Reading the tea leaves, Christmas or New Years seems a better bet.

[Sigfan26]

Reading the tea leaves, Christmas or New Years seems a better bet.

That’s disappointing.


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[Default.mp3]

Reading the tea leaves, Christmas or New Years seems a better bet.I have heard from an industry insider to expect it after SHOT, probably closer to NRA.

[cornstalker]

So much for October. Imagine that....

[Bart Carter]

From what I can see, looks like it may be possible to direct mill slides. I would have to see the mounting specs to be sure.

[t1tan]

From what I can see, looks like it may be possible to direct mill slides. I would have to see the mounting specs to be sure.


Look back a few pages

[CS Tactical]

I have heard from an industry insider to expect it after SHOT, probably closer to NRA.


I meant to post that as well after speaking to them this week :(