New Lionheart Regulus Pistols

[MattyD380]

https://www.lionheartindustries.com/regulus/

These look neat. They're gonna be making US versions of the Lionheart (ahem, Daewoo) pistols now, with ultra-premium bells and whistles.

I love the Smith 59XXs and 69XXs and these guns use the Smith design as a template, more or less. They've earned a solid reputation for reliability and quality, and the military-grade pedigree is a selling point for me (these are rebranded South Korean service pistols). The trigger system is... different. But it does seem to have its merits. I'd probably already have one if they were available with good ole' fashioned decockers.

I'm kinda hoping they'll discount the originals when they bring these out... not sure I need a gold barrel and gigantic rail on my carry gun--though it is cool.

[Trukinjp13]

I like that they are trying to integrate a lot of the features we customize into guns. Ill take a plain black one please. I have always heard good things. Hopefully it carries over


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[todd]

I have had the LH9cn for over a year now, and it is an awesome little pistol, but after roughly 500 rounds, need to run a "snake" through it, as start's having issue (though contribute to dirty ammo). The pistol, has a great many attributes of many different designs, when you field strip it can see many influences, very accurate. It does have a "triple action". It can be run in Single action or Double, but then you can "cock it", the hammer flips forward with thumb pressure, then when press trigger, it goes "cock's the hammer, then single action", which the trigger acts like a two stage, can see the value in military use.

[MattyD380]

Hopefully it carries over

Hopefully. The Korean made guns were "proven." Which I like. You know... if it ain't broke...

[MattyD380]

I have had the LH9cn for over a year now, and it is an awesome little pistol, but after roughly 500 rounds, need to run a "snake" through it, as start's having issue (though contribute to dirty ammo). The pistol, has a great many attributes of many different designs, when you field strip it can see many influences, very accurate. It does have a "triple action". It can be run in Single action or Double, but then you can "cock it", the hammer flips forward with thumb pressure, then when press trigger, it goes "cock's the hammer, then single action", which the trigger acts like a two stage, can see the value in military use.

I've really been getting more interested in grabbing one. Really haven't heard any bad reviews.

I don't really shoot more than about 200 - 300 rounds in an outing. So, no big deal. Though... the guy on the DoItRight channel claims he ran 5000 rounds through his without cleaning, oiled it every 1000 rounds. Maybe it just needs a little lube here and there.

[HopetonBrown]

The only thing I can remember anyone saying something about Daewoo pistols was in this blog post by Greg Ellifritz.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/gun-and-gear-issues-in-last-weekends-class

[RevolverRob]

caleb and co did a review of the Lionheart LH9 back in 2014 - https://www.gunnuts.net/category/lionheart/

It really does seem like a fairly reliable system. Not sure if the one in Ellifritz's class was an anomaly or if it was having ammo related troubles or what. And the actual Daewoo pistol the K5 has been the standard pistol for the South Korean military since 1998. Seems like most of the issues would have been resolved. Sometimes military guns do require hotter (or less hot) ammo than other guns, because armies will only stock one kind of pistol-caliber ammunition for use in handguns and sub-guns. But I would guess that Daewoos run just fine on NATO-spec 124-grain ammo.

[todd]

The one I have, is not the full size, do not get me wrong I love it, and many students like how it shoot's as well. It is aluminum, so there is a little weight there, but I consider it a great choice between the Poly and steel pistols. The grip size is perfect for my hand which run's about a large. The "stock's" on the side, look cheap, but are well designed, and facilitate's great hand control, without the "bite" of rough texture. I do have a Crown holster that I carry it in sometimes and it feels great. I liken the double action trigger to a military M9, with little less take up. The Single action is awesome, which is the mode I carry in.

[MattyD380]

The only thing I can remember anyone saying something about Daewoo pistols was in this blog post by Greg Ellifritz.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/gun-and-gear-issues-in-last-weekends-class

Huh. This is really interesting. One of the few reviews/commentary I've seen that says the Lionheart was not reliable. He doesn't define "malfunction"; I've read several folks mention the gun will prematurely lock back the slide. Which is probably due to riding the slide stop.

[MattyD380]

Sometimes military guns do require hotter (or less hot) ammo than other guns, because armies will only stock one kind of pistol-caliber ammunition for use in handguns and sub-guns. But I would guess that Daewoos run just fine on NATO-spec 124-grain ammo.

Good point.

[Baldanders]

So is the same "fast action" that they tried out (experimentally) in the High-Power back in the late 70s-early 80s? If I had the $$$ right now, I would be looking to buy one of these. The first centerfire firearm I ever fired was a model 59 at a rental range, and I would really like something similar that has current parts support.

[Gun Mutt]

I can't get past the backwards safety. I handled on that a buddy owned and it struck me as very meh.

[HopetonBrown]

Sometimes military guns do require hotter (or less hot) ammo than other guns, because armies will only stock one kind of pistol-caliber ammunition for use in handguns and sub-guns. But I would guess that Daewoos run just fine on NATO-spec 124-grain ammo.

What are some examples of military handguns that require hotter ammo to function?

[Trukinjp13]

What are some examples of military handguns that require hotter ammo to function?

I know my fns and vp9 liked hotter stuff during break in. Most European guns seem to like 124 for break in. Nato stuff has a little more juice to it.


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[RevolverRob]

What are some examples of military handguns that require hotter ammo to function?

The MAC 50 tends to prefer ammo on the hotter side running best with NATO-spec 9mm ball (124-grains @ 1200 fps). The Sig P210 also runs best on hotter ammo. All of the 9mm Tokarev variants run best on hotter 9mm ammo.

I haven't shot many CZs, but the stock 75s and SP01s I've encountered definitely prefer 124-grain ammo. I encountered at least one SP01 that would not run with a light attached with 115-grain ammo. Remove the light, it would run, put a light on malfs. Run 124-grain NATO ammo? It would run all day, every day, no problems, light on, off, with the moon in or out of phase, it just didn't care. Run it on marginal ammo and it choked.

Remember that NATO-spec 9mm is designed to run both handguns and sub-guns. And blowback subguns are definitely more finicky about ammo. For instance, you basically can't get a stock Uzi to run on anything less than NATO-ball and a Sterling SMG will run all day on NATO 9mm, but feed it WWB and it's going to choke. To compensate for the extra pressure, some pistols are simply sprung heavier. I'm not sure if that is the case with Lionhearts or not, given that lots of folks seem to be just fine shooting 115-grain ball and the only other 9x19 gun in South Korea's inventory are integrally suppressed sub-guns running 147-grain subsonics, I doubt that this is the case. But it's a potential working theory for why the guns sometimes show problems.

Who knows? Let's get a few more Lionhearts in circulation and we'll find out.

[HopetonBrown]

I know my fns and vp9 liked hotter stuff during break in. Most European guns seem to like 124 for break in. Nato stuff has a little more juice to it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat's this "break in" on modern duty pistols you speak of?

[Trukinjp13]

What's this "break in" on modern duty pistols you speak of?

All I did was run hotter ammo. Thats it. Some guys locked the slide back and let it sit a couple days. Softens the recoil spring a tad bit. My fns and vp9 I shot at least 150rnds of 124 through it. After that they ran like a swiss watch.

It was a pretty common thing. As said before CZ also preferred hotter stuff. I think nato ammo is 124 grn. So guns were built to run reliably on that.


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[MattyD380]

I've heard of some PX4c owners having some FTE issues in the first couple mags--especially with 115. HKs and some CZs, too. I've made a point to run something a little hotter in those makes, when brand new... haven't had any problems.

[Brian T]

I did an article on the LH9N a few years ago for SWAT. I found the pistol pleasant to shoot and I had no failures of any kind. I did find the pistol could start vertical stringing 5 rounds at 25 yards, when hot. That said the vertical stringing still kept all rounds in a CSAT head.

I think the DA+ option is neat, but ripe for silliness, as people tended to stage the trigger. By that I mean while pointing the gun downrange, shooters would depress the trigger enough for the gun to go SA, then aim, then fire. I felt it better to treat it as one trigger pull.

[LockedBreech]

I came very close to getting one of these. The example I handled had a good level of polish.

[Robert Mitchum]

Past few years they get marked way down.... black Friday sales.

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[MattyD380]

Past few years they get marked way down.... black Friday sales.

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They didn't have the BF sale last year. Or else I might have bitten. They've been on my radar since they came out, in '14 or whenever it was. Just always ended up putting my money somewhere else.

I emailed them about whether or not the current LH9 line will be discontinued once the Regulus is available. Hoping the price will drop on those, either way.

[Robert Mitchum]

They didn't have the BF sale last year. Or else I might have bitten. They've been on my radar since they came out, in '14 or whenever it was. Just always ended up putting my money somewhere else.

I emailed them about whether or not the current LH9 line will be discontinued once the Regulus is available. Hoping the price will drop on those, either way.

You are right ..last time was 2016 .
Time fly's..... thought that was last year :confused:

[MattyD380]

Apparently, the regular LH9s will still be available for a year or two. Here was the response I received:

"Hi Matt, For the next year or two we will be carrying both lines of pistols. The Regulus will replace the MK-II which has been out of stock for over a year. We will continue to stock the LH9N and the LH9CN. What is even better for LH9 series owners, and future owners is that 90% of the new Regulus parts are interchangeable, and backwards compatible with the LH9. This was one of the largest engineering undertakings of the Regulus Series. We improved the firearm in as many ways possible while still keeping with the heritage and basic design interchangeability of the LH9. There will be many new products released with the regulus, and many of them will work with the LH9. It will hopefully be the best of both Worlds! Thanks for your question, and we hope to talk to you soon."

They seem like a solid company. Props for customer service.

So, a Regulus pistol may be in my future... or an LH9C... but for now, I figure I'll start with the original.

And I mean the original, original.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/773909211

Just scored it. I kinda like the retro industrial chic. I'll get some rounds through it and share some thoughts. As far as I know, it's the exact same gun as the LH9C.

[Clusterfrack]

With new Glocks, I hand cycle the slide a couple 100 times. That seems to ‘break in’ the RSA so it’s reliable with under powered ammo. Locking the slide back doesn’t work nearly as well in my experience.

Interestingly, my P-07s did not require this, and had no issues even with barely minor PF loads.


All I did was run hotter ammo. Thats it. Some guys locked the slide back and let it sit a couple days. Softens the recoil spring a tad bit. My fns and vp9 I shot at least 150rnds of 124 through it. After that they ran like a swiss watch.

It was a pretty common thing. As said before CZ also preferred hotter stuff. I think nato ammo is 124 grn. So guns were built to run reliably on that.


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[Trukinjp13]

With new Glocks, I hand cycle the slide a couple 100 times. That seems to ‘break in’ the RSA so it’s reliable with under powered ammo. Locking the slide back doesn’t work nearly as well in my experience.

Interestingly, my P-07s did not require this, and had no issues even with barely minor PF loads.

My p-07 ran out of the box with whatever I threw in it. That gun did not seem to give a shit what ammo it used. But I know a couple guys that had a few bobbles in the first hundred rounds with p01 pistols.


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[MattyD380]

My Daewoo DP51c finally shipped (apparently it takes that long for gun shops to exchange licenses). Should arrive Tuesday. I'm curious to see how this thing shoots. I'll offer some thoughts after a few rounds.

[HCM]

All I did was run hotter ammo. Thats it. Some guys locked the slide back and let it sit a couple days. Softens the recoil spring a tad bit. My fns and vp9 I shot at least 150rnds of 124 through it. After that they ran like a swiss watch.

It was a pretty common thing. As said before CZ also preferred hotter stuff. I think nato ammo is 124 grn. So guns were built to run reliably on that.


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With new Glocks, I hand cycle the slide a couple 100 times. That seems to ‘break in’ the RSA so it’s reliable with under powered ammo. Locking the slide back doesn’t work nearly as well in my experience.

Interestingly, my P-07s did not require this, and had no issues even with barely minor PF loads.

Clusterfrack is correct regarding locking back the slide to break in the recoil spring. Springs don’t work that way. They wear / break in via cycles of compression and expansion. If your spring takes a set or wears when compressed and left static it is defective.

[aj@lionheart]

Great thread you guys have going on here!

I'm on the marketing team at Lionheart Industries and I found this thread/site earlier today - I'm glad to see that you're all discussing our new Regulus (as well as our classic LH9)!
MattyD380 congrats on getting a DP51C!

Just scored it. I kinda like the retro industrial chic. I'll get some rounds through it and share some thoughts. As far as I know, it's the exact same gun as the LH9C.

If you guys have any questions or comments feel free to throw them out and I'll do my best to give you a solid answer :cool:

[aj@lionheart]

I think this thread needs some eye candy -
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[LockedBreech]

Great thread you guys have going on here!

I'm on the marketing team at Lionheart Industries and I found this thread/site earlier today - I'm glad to see that you're all discussing our new Regulus (as well as our classic LH9)!
@MattyD380 (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=14309) congrats on getting a DP51C!

If you guys have any questions or comments feel free to throw them out and I'll do my best to give you a solid answer :cool:

I am finding the classic LH9s really hard to find, are they all still being produced and distributed?

Welcome to pistol-forum, nice to have you here.

Edit: Nevermind, found some, was just not Googling hard enough.

[Balisong]

I think this thread needs some eye candy -
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Not gonna lie, I'm kinda digging the aesthetics there

[MattyD380]

I am finding the classic LH9s really hard to find, are they all still being produced and distributed?

Welcome to pistol-forum, nice to have you here.

Edit: Nevermind, found some, was just not Googling hard enough.

They're still for sale on the Lionheart website.

[LockedBreech]

They're still for sale on the Lionheart website.

Yeah but those MSRP prices. Hm. 550 I could see. 750? Naw


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[aj@lionheart]

They're still for sale on the Lionheart website.


Yeah but those MSRP prices. Hm. 550 I could see. 750? Naw


Generally speaking buying anything at a dealership is always going to be more affordable than buying directly from a manufacturer. If you'd like to get your hands on one, ask your favorite local gun store to order it for you. They don't have to be a dealer, we ship to stores all over the country that have customer requests for our pistols. However, we also feel that our MSRP fairly reflects the quality and reliability of our guns :)


Not gonna lie, I'm kinda digging the aesthetics there
Thank you!

Have a great Independence Day everyone!

[LockedBreech]

Generally speaking buying anything at a dealership is always going to be more affordable than buying directly from a manufacturer. If you'd like to get your hands on one, ask your favorite local gun store to order it for you. They don't have to be a dealer, we ship to stores all over the country that have customer requests for our pistols. However, we also feel that our MSRP fairly reflects the quality and reliability of our guns :)


Thank you!

Have a great Independence Day everyone!

Thanks AJ! No insult was intended, I know there’s a gap between MSRP and street. Can’t blame gunners for grubbing for deals. Knowing I can still have my dealer order is good enough for me!


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[MattyD380]

Yeah but those MSRP prices. Hm. 550 I could see. 750? Naw


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Yeah, it's not exactly low. But, per AJ, I feel like the quality meets or exceeds that of just about any other production gun. If it's any indication... if I hadn't stumbled upon the Daewoo, I had planned to buy one. And at $750, I wouldn't have felt like I was getting a bad deal.

[aj@lionheart]

Thanks AJ! No insult was intended, I know there’s a gap between MSRP and street. Can’t blame gunners for grubbing for deals. Knowing I can still have my dealer order is good enough for me!

No problem :) I hope we can get one into your hands!

Yeah, it's not exactly low. But, per AJ, I feel like the quality meets or exceeds that of just about any other production gun. If it's any indication... if I hadn't stumbled upon the Daewoo, I had planned to buy one. And at $750, I wouldn't have felt like I was getting a bad deal.
I'm kinda jealous you found a DP51C, they're pretty rare!

[aj@lionheart]

There's a new Regulus article (https://www.ammoland.com/2018/07/lionheart-industries-regulus-pistol/#axzz5KUN1Gdqd) on Ammoland that released a few days ago - accompanying it is the first of a number of videos that Graham Baates is putting out about the Regulus! Hope you guys enjoy :)

[MattyD380]

FYI, a few of Graham Bates' videos on the Regulus have dropped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCfngQ8izkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFG2t2-sTXQ

Cool comparison. Quality looks fantastic on everything. I think he's gonna have a shooting impressions video coming soon.

AJ, one question for you...

Looks like the texturing on the new Regulus grips is a little less aggressive than before. I was about to order a set for my DP51c... is it still as... grippy?

Thanks.

[aj@lionheart]

The Regulus was showcased on The Gun Collective's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9kmc-SkgC8) last night!

[aj@lionheart]

MattyD380 shooting impressions are coming down the pipeline shortly ;)

The new grips are designed to be less aggressive in the appropriate areas - our LH9 grips got a lot of flack for being too aggressive in the palm. The Regulus grips have been redesigned to keep your hands dry by wicking moisture away, but have none of the negative aggression of our old grips. As someone who has about 500 rounds through both size Regulus pistols so far, I can tell you it is overall less grippy than the LH9's, but more than the DP51's. We will be coming out with G10 options soon, for those who are looking for that extra grip. Thanks! :)

[MattyD380]

MattyD380We will be coming out with G10 options soon, for those who are looking for that extra grip. Thanks! :)

Oh... you had me at "G10." I may hold out for those. When do you think those will drop?

Also, very much appreciate the info. I'll be on the lookout for GB's shooting impressions.

[aj@lionheart]

We don't have an exact date yet - our engineers are working with a well-known manufacturer, but these things take time. I'm told that the first prototype was being machined today, which has me all sorts of excited :cool:

[aj@lionheart]

DoitriteAK just finished up a whole series of reviews on the Regulus - he shot 5k rounds through it in less than a month! :eek:

Here's his entire playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvlWquOD_g&list=PLYUFsZkp0SkHD2qaJz2GGwAemfr78F9jT&index=1) on the Regulus :cool: