Which is your favorite HK and why?

[Dismas316]

Always been a fan of Hk's but never pulled the trigger on one to purchase, :D pun intended.

If you had to just have one, which one and why?

My purpose would really be just a fun HK to shoot at the range and maybe even a HD option but more to just have a nice HK to own. I know the USP 45 is a bit of an iconic gun so certainly that is one I'd consider. Th only one that I don't have an interest in is the VP9. A few years back I went back and forth between that and the PPQ and ended up choosing the PPQ, VP9SK could be of interest, but leaning to the HK 45 as an option. Doesn't matter so much the manual of arms, highly doubt it would ever replace my glocks as edc, just a fun range option to shoot.

[texag]

I had a P30S and a P30 LEM vTLG. My favorite thing about them was sending them down the road. Lots of really nice, well thought out features, it just never turned into good shooting compared to other guns.

[navyman8903]

So, I feel qualified to answer this, but picking one because of how I got qualified is going to be impossible.

I've pressed the trigger on all of these below.

MARK23 (currently own)
USP45 (currently own 2x)
USP45T
HK45 (currently own 4x 1 V1, 1 V7, 2 HK45T V1's)
HK45c (currently own 2x FDE HKpro 1 V1, 1V7)
P30 V3 9mm
P30LS V3 9mm(currently own 2x 1 V1, 1 V3S)
P30sk (currently own 1x V1)
VP9 (currently own 2x)
VP9sk (wife's)
P2000 V3 9mm
USP SD (currently own 1)
USPc 9mm (wife's)
USPc 40 medium LEM
P7M8 (in the family)

So with that. I can tell you they're all good. The VP9sk to answer your question is a great shooter. The P30/VP9 series magazine also has lots of options now and feeds the: P2000 series, P30 series, USPc 9mm, and VP9 series. So getting into that will be a gateway for sure. The guns I'm always shooting though are my MARK23, one of my 4 HK45's, my P30L and sk, and my VP9. I've also been spending equal time with the Legion P226 and G34.4 I have.

I will tell you nothing fits me like my HK45. I have made some shots with the HK45 at speed I never though possible because it fits me perfectly with the medium back strap. The only three guns I draw 100% of the time and don't have to make micro adjustments are the HK45, VP9, and P226 legion. The 92FS gets a nod also because of all my military time with it. But I digress. The HK45 will suit you very well and is a confident shooter. HKparts is also making a 13 rounder for it my wife and I are still testing. But so far so good. So 10 to 13 rounds on tap of 45acp is solid, and it's a great shooter. If you get a tactical then you're golden. You can run the can, or just run it as is. I also carried the full size HK45 for about 3 years when I was younger in a crossbreed super tuck and still do on occasion. I've also never fired faster with a 45acp than with my Light LEM HK45.

So if you're asking us if the HK45 is a good gun. Yes. Standard 1913 rail that fits an X300 perfectly, holster support, sight support, great ergos that don't offend hardly anyone, and it's a well tested performer. If you want to know about any other pistol in there, I've got a minimum of 1000 rounds through each of the pistols I own or my wife has. My HK45's I have about 3K total, the P30L has 3K, the VP9 is 3K, and the USP45's combined are 6k. I can talk all day about each of them, and what I use them for, but for the sake of keeping you on track.......... Get the HK45.

[BN]

MP5 ;)

[Maca]

I shot a VP9 for 5k rounds and didnt like it at all, except for the mag release. The grip, while super comfortable to hold, was inconsistent out of the holster on a timer, and the trigger became too light for my liking in a carry gun.

I tried to love the 45C, shooting it exclusively over a period of time and upwards of 10k rounds (3 seperate guns set up with LEM triggers) . I went so far as to put an RMR on my last one at a significant expense.

But then i shot a 19X. I want to avoid turning this into an HK versus another brand, so this is strictly a personal context narrative. But the Glock killed the HK simply because after 100 rounds, i was shooting it faster and more accurately.

The 45C is a very well made gun, but not as easy to shoot well as other platforms [for me]. I am a big believer in sticking to one platform at a time for carry, and as much as i wanted it to be the 45C, it couldnt justify putting more and more time into it, when clearly, the Glock works better for me.

[JBP55]

VP9SK, Striker fired and shoots very well for size.

[RJ]

I had two, a VP9 and a P30SK. I sold both.

I’ve shot a TDA USPc, a full size USP in .45, a P7M8 and M13.

The P7s were...weird. Yeah I get the cocking action of the handle but geez why make things that complicated. Plus after a box of ammo it was hotter than a Bride’s kiss.

I shot my P30SK LEM as a carry gun, and took it through my Tom Givens class last year. I could not wrap my head around the LEM.

I’d say my favorite was the VP9. I shot it around 5,000 rounds including a Frank Proctor class and a few USPSA matches (which I suck at).

It never malfunctioned and was always very comfortable in the grip due to the panels. I also came to realize that while comfortable, those same panels didn’t key into my hand the way a Glock 19 Gen 5 did. So my follow up shots with the Gen 5 were better. So I bought the Glock. Then I traded the P30SK for a G26.5. Don’t miss the HKs at all, nice as they were in the hand.

[RJ]

MP5 ;)

I like how you think. :)

[Greg]

The P7s were...weird. Yeah I get the cocking action of the handle but geez why make things that complicated.


Because it's what Germans do - Duh! :cool:

[OlongJohnson]

My perfect world would include an E36 M3 with the Euro motor and a brace of original USPs. The apogee of Germanness where the old ways intersect with improving technology.

[Tom Duffy]

To OP - Seems like you're leaning towards a 45, so it comes down to your preferences. Would you prefer the slab sided grip of the USP or the hand fitting grip of the HK 45? Similarly you have to decide whether you prefer the DA/SA or the LEM trigger. For me, the DA/SA on an HK is terrible with a too heavy trigger pull. The LEM really works for me.


If your primary use is as a range gun, you might want to consider a 9mm instead. Lighter recoil and cheaper ammo. In 9mm, the P30L LEM is my favorite.

[Tom Duffy]

Don’t miss the HKs at all, nice as they were in the hand.

Traitor! :)

[LOKNLOD]

My P30L makes me happy. I just...like it a lot. For it's size, I can carry a gun that has an "easier" (if not outright better) trigger and holds more bullets. For it's capacity, I can carry a smaller gun with better concealment that's just as easy to shoot. I should probably sell it, but I don't want to.

[Bigghoss]

MP5 followed by fullsize USP 45. The USP just has a cool look to it and it came out right about the time I started getting into guns and it was in some of the video games I played as a kid so there's some nostalgia to it.

[Amurr]

P7M8. Such a great unique piece

[RJ]

VP9SK, Striker fired and shoots very well for size.

I forgot this one.

My wife was casting around for a carry gun recently. We rented one and I put a couple magazines through it.

Wow what a nice shooter. I had groups at 5 yd that would indicate it allowed me to shoot about as well as I am able (which is not great, really). But it definitely felt nice in the hand.

I’ve always pondered why HK didn’t make a VP9c which used USPc 13 round mags.

[RJ]

My perfect world would include an E36 M3 with the Euro motor and a brace of original USPs. The apogee of Germanness where the old ways intersect with improving technology.

We can hang out.

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[RJ]

Forgot to answer the OPs question oops.

If I had to pick one, I’d select a USP with a stainless slide. That is one sexy gun.

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[JonInWA]

P30L V1 Light LEM-exceptionally accurate, exceptionally ergonomic, and a superb threat management tool.

I'm also partial to my VP40 as well.

Best, Jon

[ssb]

For practical purposes a P30SK. Though I wouldn't mind a little more barrel length, with the factory 13-round mags it's got the ability to do pretty much everything I want a pistol to do.

For cool factor it's the HK45C for me.

[Doc_Glock]

Favorite: P30l in any action.

I have tried: P2000, P30, P30Sk, USP compact, all in 9mm.

Never tried: USP, HK45, HK45C

[TC215]

I have a sentimental attachment to the USP .45 and the USP Compact .45, which were my issued guns for many years. I always liked the Compact better than the full-size.

As far as shooting goes, I really like the VP9.

And of course, the MP5. I’m still issued one, but only get it out a couple times a year. One of the most fun guns to shoot ever.

[Mike C]

I'm a sucker for the P7M8, P9s. Having said that in practical terms P2000 and 45C. Perfect in size and capacity, accurate, and has reliability in spades. The 45C is great for mag restricted states and is still a very shootable gun for 45 compact and is fun to shoot suppressed, I love the fact that you can get any trigger configuration with this gun, i.e. LEM,DA/SA, SAO mags are cheaper these days and it can handle 45 Super. The P2K is hits every sweet spot and is just an all time favorite of mine. If you are just looking for a range toy tough the VP9 is hard to beat but I just don't have the same love for it that I do the P2000 series and the 45C.

[Trukinjp13]

So far my favorite HK I have shot is my p30 lem tgs variation. 9mm. With trijicon hd xr sights. It is a very soft shooting gun and I keep getting better at speed with the lem. It is also making me a better shooter with my g43.

I loved the hk45. Have shot a few rounds through em now. But since I needed a carry gun the p30 gets my nod. I do not have the experience of most of these guys with HKs though. But have shot.

Usp in .40
Hk p30 tda 9mm
Hk p30l tda 9mm (very soft)
Hk p30 tgs lem
Hk45 tda

The usp shot great but could not warm up to grip. Admittedly actual shooting results were kind of ridiculous for a gun that did not feel comfortable to me though. The p30l was awesome and my wife commented how much softer it was to her than the p30. I really prefer the HK in lem now. Its a very smooth trigger and am looking forward to my newly acquired p2ksk lem.


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[BobM]

MP5 ;)

You beat me to it!

[LittleLebowski]

SP5K :cool:

[RJ]

...but I just don't have the same love for it that I do the P2000 series and the 45C.

Occasionally I find myself staring at HK45c’s at the Gun Store.

For no, uh, particular reason. :cool:

[psalms144.1]

For me, the very last HK I'd ever part with is my P7M8. Not because it's the most shootable, size efficient, or training friendly HK, just because it's one of my long time loves and, as a personal Grail Gun, damn near irreplaceable.

Of the current production guns, the P2000 holds a special place in my heart because I think the P30 is just too big to carry all the time. That's a HIGHLY personal opinion, and likely not shared by a lot of others on this board. I WANT to love the HK45C, and made sure we procured them for my team mates once they were available, but, frankly, the trigger sucks, and it's nigh impossible to mount a WML. For these and other reasons, I've owned several 45Cs, and sold them all. Frankly, I had better "shooting luck" with my old USP45C than any of the 45Cs I've been issued or bought personally.

I'm NOT in the market for another HK (really, I'm NOT), but, if I were, the current freaking amazing deals on P30Ls might be too much temptation to stand...

[KPD]

If I could only have one HK it would definitely be a HK45 LEM. I had one for awhile and regret selling it.

My second choice would be a P30 light LEM. Actually, this is the only gun I own right now. I am issued a VP9. I wanted a second VP9, but a friend offered me his P30 at a price that I could not pass up. I run the P30 light LEM better than the VP9. Both are great guns though!

[GJM]

USP FS 45, because it reliably launches 45 Super ammo and is the most reliable field pistol ever made.

[Willard]

HK91 or G3

[Dismas316]

You beat me to it!

Ahh yes!! I would probably agree with this. I should have specified what is your favorite "HK pistol" LOL, my bad.

By the way, I should have mentioned, feel free to post pics of your favorite if you like? Nothing like a little HK gun porn.

[TheNewbie]

What is the opinion of the HK45 vs USP45? Reliability wise and with the use of 45 super ammo.

[GJM]

What is the opinion of the HK45 vs USP45? Reliability wise and with the use of 45 super ammo.

I have vetted a half dozen HK45C and one HK45 with Underwood Lehigh Super ammo, and a half dozen USP FS pistols with Super ammo. The USP C was not reliable with Super ammo. The USP FS should be more durable and reliable with Super ammo by virtue of the dual recoil spring.

This thread needs pictures.

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[Mitch]

I really like my VP9. It carries well in a mastermind aiwb, and the trigger is outstanding.

I had a P30 V1 LEM that I kind of regret selling, but really other than reholstering I like my VP9 better.

I’ve had a couple V2 P2000s. Hate the small magazine release, and not really a fan of the V2 trigger. I prefer the P30.

My favorite 45 I’ve ever owned was the HK45C. Mine was DA/SA. The trigger is okay. It’s no where near as good as a CZ or Sig, but it’s workable. If I was buying one again I’d probably consider light LEM this time.

Favorite though? VP9.


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[TC215]

By the way, I should have mentioned, feel free to post pics of your favorite if you like? Nothing like a little HK gun porn.

The full-size was my first issued gun. I got the compact when I went to Narcotics. Got to buy them both when we got got away from HK. They're both "AA" date codes.

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[cornstalker]

P30L V1 hands down for me.

[fatdog]

USPc LEM but warming up to the P30 V1, reason: the proof is on the paper/timer for me...

[Dismas316]

To OP - Seems like you're leaning towards a 45, so it comes down to your preferences. Would you prefer the slab sided grip of the USP or the hand fitting grip of the HK 45? Similarly you have to decide whether you prefer the DA/SA or the LEM trigger. For me, the DA/SA on an HK is terrible with a too heavy trigger pull. The LEM really works for me. .

I’m leaning towards the 45. I actually prefer TDA but been spoiled by the classic P-series sigs with their short reset trigger and every DA/SA HK has not been to impressive. I kind of like the slab sided grip of the USP but I will say the ergos on the “newer” HK’s are fantastic.

[pangloss]

P30's are selling for under $500 on Gunbroker right now...

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[Ed L]

VP9 and VP9SK. I shoot better with those than I do with any other gun.

[Arbninftry]

USP 9 it's a freakin TANK

[olstyn]

a P7M8 and M13.

The P7s were...weird. Yeah I get the cocking action of the handle but geez why make things that complicated. Plus after a box of ammo it was hotter than a Bride’s kiss.

There are a host of reasons why I wouldn't choose one of those as a carry gun, but I'd sure love to try out shooting one, because they've always been intriguing to me, even with the heat issue.

[kihnspiracy]

USP45 Tactical LE. Very accurate and reliable.

[P30]

My favorite HK? Have a guess.

Why? pistol-training.com/archives/category/range-reports/p30-thursday (http://pistol-training.com/archives/category/range-reports/p30-thursday) & I tried it & it worked for me, too.

This was in 2009. 9 years and about 19,000 rounds later:

Still my favorite.
1 stoppage (ammo-induced), 0 malfunctions, 0 parts breakages (definitions (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge)).
The one stoppage was the fault of the cartridge, not of the gun, primer did not work.
I've replaced the trigger return spring in order to make it a V4 CH. Todd recommended to change the trigger return spring every 12.5k rounds. (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2038-P30-setup&p=32396&viewfull=1#post32396)

BTW: More maintenance-relevant data for the P30 (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/150475-recommended-spare-parts-usp-expert.html#post1122843)

[RJ]

There are a host of reasons why I wouldn't choose one of those as a carry gun, but I'd sure love to try out shooting one, because they've always been intriguing to me, even with the heat issue.

It was a pretty cool experience.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15529-Shot-a-HK-Squeeze-Cocker-P7M8

[Rex G]

P7/PSP, pre-M8.

Reason: Well, old man’s nostalgia.

I had a pair of these in 1985, and a beautiful custom-made duty holster, flap-style as per policy, at that time. When I had the option to start using one of two specified open-top duty holsters, however, I reverted to a duty revolver*, as these retention-type holsters were revolver-only, at that time. Financial lean times followed, and I sold the P7 pistols, thinking I would buy another/more, somewhere down the road, but the DM-to-dollar equation changed, and the collectible factor entered the equation, so that a very-used P7 cost two to three times more than I paid for my first new one in the mid-Eighties. By the time I could justify/afford fun guns again, in the Nineties, it seemed wiser to spend my money on other guns. I had long since learned to like long-stroke DA, by then, so the P7’s ability to fire single-action, from the first shot, had lost its utility, for my defensive/duty needs.

*I had, already, had one bad scare, with bad things happening fast while I unholstered from the flap rig.

[HALO51]

HK VP9......18,350 flawless rounds, same RSA. Carry it daily AIWB in JM AIWB/Claw. Bought another RSA just in case, but the original is still performing. pure HK quality......German laser.

[CCT125US]

I prefer the USP9c overall.
-It seems to have the best LEM trigger. Combination of reset, reach, break weight, and crispness.
-Fairly aggressive grip texture. No need for stippling or tape.
-Slide release the size of a boat oar. Can be used easily with off hand trigger finger.
-My preferred 3 dot Trijicons have a rear notch measuring .140. Tight sight picture, drive the dot. Not bouncing between the goal posts.
-Works great suppressed, with very repeatable accuracy and lockup. (Once you realise the piston o-ring must be sized properly)
-Only possible downside is the lack of standard rail. Not a big deal because I don't use a WML. But, do I not use a WML because of the non standard rail....

[GJM]

I prefer the USP9c overall.
-It seems to have the best LEM trigger. Combination of reset, reach, break weight, and crispness.
-Fairly aggressive grip texture. No need for stippling or tape.
-Slide release the size of a boat oar. Can be used easily with off hand trigger finger.
-My preferred 3 dot Trijicons have a rear notch measuring .140. Tight sight picture, drive the dot. Not bouncing between the goal posts.
-Works great suppressed, with very repeatable accuracy and lockup. (Once you realise the piston o-ring must be sized properly)
-Only possible downside is the lack of standard rail. Not a big deal because I don't use a WML. But, do I not use a WML because of the non standard rail....


Good list, with the exception of trigger. The USP FS with hybrid match LEM trigger is a few clicks above, in the trigger department, on my multiple samples of each.

[TNK]

HK USP 9. Shot mine yesterday at an IDPA match. Great pistol. I and one other guy with a CZ-75 were the only TDA users. Everyone else has gone striker. If this is the case with you, then a VP9.

[Guinnessman]

Dismas316

If I were going to own 1 HK, it would be a P30 9mm, or a full size USP, both in LEM.

As a lefty I love the Ambi controls, paddle mag release, and changeable grip panels. If you want all the reasons for a P30, read TLG’s test, and anything P30 related by Langdon or Bolke. All of that will get your P30 KoolAid flowing!

I really love the way the P30 carries for me, and it’s little sibling, the SK is fantastic.

As far as the USP goes, you cannot go wrong with the original! The USP has the most flexibility when it comes to trigger options, as you can switch between DA/SA or LEM as you please. I personally would stay away from the Jet Funnel because I had many problems with those particular magazines. The Mag springs weakened faster than any other magazine I have ever used, and this was evidenced by many failures to lock back on the last round.

The USPc is a great little shooter that is a pleasure to carry.

Good luck in your search. The classifieds over at HKPro are your friend.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

A USP in any caliber or flavor. Tanks, brick like ergos that get me all hot and bothered, and unquestionable reliability and service life. So awesome. Unfortunately, they just don't have a place in my world right now...

[LockedBreech]

MP5 ;)

My two range trips with a full-auto MP5 are maybe the best shooting experience I've ever had. So much dang fun slapping the bolt after a reload, and surprisingly controllable.

Since this is Pistol-Forum, I'd say if you're absolutely itching to add one a full-size USP has an unquestioned place in the annals of pistolero lore. A bit outdated in terms of adding lights and such, but since you want a range toy and not a dedicated home defense or duty platform that wouldn't really matter.

[SecondsCount]

P30 V2 LEM 9mm. Ergos, reliability, hammer fired, and accuracy are all the reasons I like it.

I do like the VP9 as well but I want the safety of the hammer when carrying.

[Bucky]

MP5 ;)

416 for me.

Assuming we are talking handguns, USP Compact is my pick. Great size for carry, rugged as hell, ability to convert to multiple trigger configurations.

[GJM]

On the timer, I shoot my DA/SA USP C enough better than my LEM versions to matter.

[Bigghoss]

My two range trips with a full-auto MP5 are maybe the best shooting experience I've ever had. So much dang fun slapping the bolt after a reload, and surprisingly controllable.

#HKSlap (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=HKSlap)

[RevolverRob]

P9S Target in 9mm with .45 ACP upper.

Why, one of my good friends, a devoted HK Collector and lover, purchased a P9S Target, matching upper, target weight front sight, grips, the whole nine yards. It had never been shot outside of the (presumed) factory test firing. He agonized over shooting it, because it was pristine, but like me he's a shooter and doesn't keep guns "for looking at". So he thought about selling it, debated. One day, we were taking his preferred P9S 9mm out to double check the sights after a new install. I snuck the P9S Target down to his range with us and with loaded P9 mags, but he couldn't do it so...Yea, I broke the cherry of a cherry P9S Target, worth more than my first two cars combined.

It shot pretty well. Not as well as other guns I've shot (e.g., Novak's Custom P210, Yost Custom BHP, Cajun Gun Works Pro SP01), but those are all heavily customized/full custom guns, where as the HK was factory. I'd say it compared favorably with a stock Sig P210.

But my favorite HK is probably the MP5. Shooting them is as boring as white rice. And the first couple of times, I found them "meh". Then a friend pointed out to me...the whole idea behind the MP5 as an "offensive" weapon is...it should be boring as shit to shoot. It always works, it's always accurate, it's very controllable, it's pretty much exactly what you want in a gun you need versus a gun you want.

[vsdtrek]

I only own two handguns, and I started with HKs. The embarrassing truth is they showed up in action novels I was reading and I figured WTH when I was shopping.

I have a USP FS V7 LEM and a P30 V3, both in 9mm. Originally, I wanted a USP; however, once I actually held it in the store, I thought it was awful. I bought the P30 strictly based on grip and reading some reviews. Didn't understand what the LEM was at the time but knew I didn't want a safety. Still, I had the itch for the USP, because it's a USP. Actually received a bunch of gift cards via an HR program at work (amazing isn't it?) and used it on a NIB USP about two years later.

The more I shoot, the more I like the USP. Adding the extended baseplates made it better to hold and I like the cheese grater front and back areas. It just looks like it means business; however, I really think it's the LEM. That is getting to be a much simpler and safer system for me to run. I wasn't able to shoot for about two years due to some surgeries and now, the DA/SA isn't as nice as when I first started with the P30. Ironically, my USP isn't as reliable as one would think. It started off great, but I've had four straight range sessions with FTEs/odd extractions going on and HK hasn't figured it out yet despite two trips back there. They're nice about it, and we'll eventually get it straightened out (I think it's the extractor and spring).

I've heard good things about the V1 P30 and am going to replace my V3. Contacted a local FFL tonight to try and get moving on this. It will be interesting to see if that regains the top spot because of the awesome ergos and the metal magazines it uses. I bet it will.

[Duelist]

P7M8, because it’s cool.

I’ve actually shot a P2000 LEM .40 quite a bit, and done some decent shooting with them, but don’t really like the LEM.

The VP9 is very ergonomic and shoots like a laser. No striker control=no bueno for me.

P30SK was a TDA. Ergonomically very good, DA trigger was horrible to me. SA was completely workable.

USP45 is tempting b/c it’s a big, honking, serious .45. But I’ve never had a chance to shoot one, so I don’t know if I’d actually like it.

Final answer? The P7. Because it’s cool. It would be a fun gun to have in the collection, and get shot once in a while, but would not be a serious use tool b/c not in current production, cost per unit, cost of magazines and parts, and 2nd hand accounts of needing 2-3 of them to allow one that is heated by shooting to cool off while continuing to train.

[Bucky]

On the timer, I shoot my DA/SA USP C enough better than my LEM versions to matter.

I agree. I bought the LEM conversion kit for mine. After two months, I converted it back.

Nothing is perfect, but for CCW I think a USP Compact would be as close as you can get (for me) IF:

1. Mag release was a push button.
2. The 9mm held 15 rounds.

I'm not going to argue whether or not the paddle release is better or worse, I actually do like them. For better or worse, all my other guns have a button, so for similar manual or Arms, I'd just like this to be the same.

[KPD]

I had a USP .45 Tactical. That gun had the absolute best DA/SA trigger I have ever experienced.
Yet another in the long line of blasters that I never should have gotten rid of.

[Mark D]

I like the P2000 light LEM in 9mm. I sent the gun to HK to have it converted to "light" LEM but there's virtually no difference before and after the trip to the factory. It shoots well and carries easily in a JMCK AIWB holster. I just wish there more options for sights.

I also put a few thousand round through a P2000 DA/SA, but the DA was reminiscent of my Stanley staple gun.

I owned a P2000sk in DA/SA for a short time, but I found the full size P2000 concealed almost as well and was easier to shoot.

I've handled a full-size USP and it seems pretty massive for what it offers. But I'm still intrigued by the UPS Compact, and might buy one if I could find a good deal on a 9mm.

[Hambo]

Any HK: HK21

HK pistols: P7s have the best trigger. M13s were wicked fast to reload but feel like a 2x4". M8s aren't as easy to reload but feel more like something designed for a human being. Both ate my hand like a BHP while burning my middle finger. If they were still available at a semi-reasonable price I'd still be using them.

The only polymer frame HKs I have any experience with are the old USP 9mm and .45, both of which I hated because I was used to the 3.5# P7 trigger. Also a bit of time with USP .45c, which I hated because of the trigger and the way the frame seemed to be designed to beat the joint of my thumb to death.

I did pick up a VP9 and was amazed that Ze Germans had apparently discovered ergonomics.

[CCT125US]

On the timer, I shoot my DA/SA USP C enough better than my LEM versions to matter.

Refresh my memory, which detent plate do you prefer? Thought I remember you mentioning not being able to reliably deactivate the safety on the v1 USP during the draw. Perhaps v3 or v7?

[GJM]

Refresh my memory, which detent plate do you prefer? Thought I remember you mentioning not being able to reliably deactivate the safety on the v1 USP during the draw. Perhaps v3 or v7?

Think it is V3 which deletes the safety function and makes it just a de-cocker. That also helps my DA/SA mind avoid getting it on safe and not realize it.

[Doc_Glock]

Think it is V3 which deletes the safety function and makes it just a de-cocker. That also helps my DA/SA mind avoid getting it on safe and not realize it.

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[Robert Mitchum]

For slow fire accuracy HK45 ...
For a carry pistol HK P30L 9mm.
For Mowing the Lawn or walking around my House HK45c.

[Rock185]

I've owned several HKs, but I guess my favorite is the P7M8 I bought new back in the '80s. The "why" is a little tougher for me to define. Just a very accurate,reliable, solid little pistol. I guess that's been enough for me to hang onto it for the last 30 years:)

[todd]

For me the VP9, is my favorite HK pistol.

[rcbusmc24]

I miss the HK 23E that the Marine Corps loaned me for a month back when we first started doing the experiments out in 29 palms that culminated with the adoption of the M27 IAR as a replacement for the M249, I was part of the control group running alternate 5.56 belt feds as early possible replacements, I loved that gun, When we later deployed again I really wanted it back, but it was gone and I had a M249 on that deployment....



Personal guns, I love my P7psp and will never get rid of it, funky heel mag release and all...

[Alembic]

Bought in to the HK hype, bought two HK45c in a matter of weeks, one DA/SA, one LEM. Shot them both for a few years off and on. Read Doc's advice on 9mm and traded the DA/SA for a USPc9 in LEM, installed the heavy TRS and now have TLG LEM, my favorite HK. Sold the LEM 45c to fund a class.

I'm about to finish 6 months, 5,000 rounds dedicated to my G19.3, trying to be become P-F proficent. My next long term relationship is going to be with this USPc9.

I would like to own a full size USP9 maybe an Expert, justified as a as OWB field gun. Load it with Leigh Underwood Penetrators and I would would feel like the king of the world.

[Balisong]

On the timer, I shoot my DA/SA USP C enough better than my LEM versions to matter.

GJM, when you get a sec, can you elaborate on this? A few posts ago, and I believe elsewhere as well, you've mentioned the hybrid/match trigger being your favorite HK trigger. Why is that, when you shoot the TDA better?
Thanks.

To answer the OP, I'm still trying to figure out my favorite HK. Unfortunately I love all of them that I shoot lol. But my P7M13 is a truly amazing gun to shoot. It won't be my EDC for reasons others have listed, but even in spite of its drawbacks it shoots so well I occasionally reconsider it....

[Balisong]

USPc LEM but warming up to the P30 V1, reason: the proof is on the paper/timer for me...

What are your findings so far? More accuracy on long range shots and/or faster front sight tracking or ?

I've been rocking a USPc, but also have an incoming P30L V1 to compare with it. Also considering a standard length P30 just to really mix it all up. I have serious doubts about the P30/L concealing as well as the USPC in my JMCK 2.5 though.
But if I can determine enough shooting performance difference I may try it.

[fatdog]

What are your findings so far? More accuracy on long range shots and/or faster front sight tracking or ?

I have a couple of simple benchmarks, Casino drill at 7 yards and Rangemaster standard instructor qual (3 to 25 yards), both shot on par time and scored for accuracy that tell me I shoot the LEM better than the DA/SA variants of all types, not just HK's. I also like to run the standard old el pres with either a USPSA or IDPA target. I am not fixated on split times, just what my total performance is on those. I am sure if I practiced enough could shoot the DA/SA better than I can now, but the transition from Glocks and M&P's to LEM was a very easy one for me compared to other things I have tried, including several DA/SA guns and the Sig DAK.

The USPc is the right size for my concealed carry modes, and mechanically it is quite accurate as well. Reliability is flawless. The P30 V1 is interesting as I am playing with the various combinations of backstrap and side panel. It of course changes the geometry of my trigger finger and grip Vs the USPc and during my last range outing I scored relatively well on my benchmarks, about as well as I can do with the USPc.

[GJM]

GJM, when you get a sec, can you elaborate on this? A few posts ago, and I believe elsewhere as well, you've mentioned the hybrid/match trigger being your favorite HK trigger. Why is that, when you shoot the TDA better?
Thanks.

To answer the OP, I'm still trying to figure out my favorite HK. Unfortunately I love all of them that I shoot lol. But my P7M13 is a truly amazing gun to shoot. It won't be my EDC for reasons others have listed, but even in spite of its drawbacks it shoots so well I occasionally reconsider it....

The hybrid match LEM in the FS USP is my favorite HK hammer gun trigger. I had HK install as close as possible to that trigger is a USP Compact 9, and was prepared to love it. However, I continued to shoot my twin USP C with a DA/SA trigger better than the LEM, on a range of timed drills, so that is the basis for my preference.

[Balisong]

The hybrid match LEM in the FS USP is my favorite HK hammer gun trigger. I had HK install as close as possible to that trigger is a USP Compact 9, and was prepared to love it. However, I continued to shoot my twin USP C with a DA/SA trigger better than the LEM, on a range of timed drills, so that is the basis for my preference.

That's very interesting, thanks for sharing that. Now with the full size USP, do you perform drills better with the hybrid/match LEM or the TDA?

[CCT125US]

The hybrid match LEM in the FS USP is my favorite HK hammer gun trigger. I had HK install as close as possible to that trigger is a USP Compact 9, and was prepared to love it. However, I continued to shoot my twin USP C with a DA/SA trigger better than the LEM, on a range of timed drills, so that is the basis for my preference.

Oddly, I think I have only used my Da/Sa v1 as a host for my Octane. Don't recall running any timed drills to compare to my v7. Looks like I need to actually take 2 guns with me next range session. I will take a few runs at the iHack, hit factor (D3, x5) pts / time, F.Y.L.,F.A.S.T, etc.

[GJM]

That's very interesting, thanks for sharing that. Now with the full size USP, do you perform drills better with the hybrid/match LEM or the TDA?

All my USP FS 45 pistols are set up with the hybrid match LEM trigger and are zeroed for .45 Super ammo. They are purely large animal defensive pistols, and while I regularly shoot them for proficiency, for a few years I have given up worrying about better mousetraps in this niche.

[hufnagel]

which ever one is in my hand when I'm shooting. :D

[fpnunes]

I have been lucky to own most of the HK handguns in the last 25+ years. A couple in particular stand out - currently running a P30sk V1 LEM for edc. Great gun that is far more accurate than it should be. I seem to be pretty trigger neutral and the LEM trigger system was easy to adapt to and I shoot it well. I also love the HK45c as a compact .45 suppressor host. I have an American made version that is amazing accurate with, and without, a can.

[Salamander]

27102

I've long preferred this P2000 LEM in 9mm, it's a 2004 date code. The early 1970s vintage M4 is in the photo just because it's another example of fine German machinery.