What Drill To Test New Handgun?

[cclaxton]

I recently acquired a CZ P10C. Added the MBI trigger and a fiber optic front sight.
Checked the sight alignment at 25 yards. I need a very slight 6PM hold, but not enough to matter when shooting fast and close.

I have been shooting the Sig P320 Compact for a few months now. It has tritium white sights, and is verified accurate at 25 yards.

I wanted to figure out which gun is better for me so I ran this drill:
- IDPA target at 7 yards, 5 rounds as fast as I can get sights on target, Repeated 6 times.

For the CZ P10 I pulled about 7 shots outside the down zero, average time was 2.1s.
For the Sig 320 C I was only 3 shots outside the down zero, average time was 1.85s.

Also, it was harder to drive the sights on the CZ to take the shot. And, thus I had longer splits with the CZ.

Is there another drill I should try to better assess my performance with these two guns?

Cody

[orionz06]

What are your normal range trip drills? What is your cold drill?

[olstyn]

FAST and Dot Torture immediately come to mind, also maybe something like Nuevo El Pres (USPSA classifier CM 99-22) as another thing to push you on accuracy and speed?

[Doc_Glock]

I don’t think such a drill exists that can give us the answer as to which gun is best for us. I wish it did.

Generally we are going to shoot the gun we have most recently spent the most time with best.

Fact is most modern handgun designs are refined enough that the differences for any one experienced shooter between designs should be less than low single digit percentages.

[olstyn]

Fact is most modern handgun designs are refined enough that the differences for any one experienced shooter between designs should be less than low single digit percentages.

Barring weird user interface differences/preferences, guns sized "wrong" for your hands/controls you can't easily reach, etc., this makes sense.

[TCFD273]

My favorite drill to actually test my skill combined with a certain platform is Ben Stoegers dot drill. Granted, I will shoot the pistol for at least 1000 rounds with various drills to become accustomed to it.

7yds, 6-2” dot’s. Draw and fire 6 shots at the 2” dot in 5.3sec

I also like Lucky Gunners handgun test:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-handgun-test/amp/

For me, I shoot a Glock the best in the dot drill followed by a 1911. Even after leaving the Glock platform for a year, I came back and outperformed the gun I had been carrying and shooting (Brig Tac) with a G19.


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[BN]

I used to use the old 90 round IDPA Classifier. That tests a lot of different skills.

[Duke]

Neither of the p10s I had worked past 1200 rounds.

Sincerely I hope they have fixed the issues. I loved the way the gun handled for me.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Check out this month’s issue of the Rangemaster Newsletter (May ‘18). It has a number of great drills for self-assessment as the main feature.


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[Pit]

For a new pistol I'm getting acquainted with, I like Seeklander's press out drill @ 7 yards with a 5.5" chest and 4" head and the Super Test. FWIW. Hoping to do so tomorrow with my new M2.0 Compact.

JW

[GJM]

Last summer, I used Mr_White’s school test to efficiently benchmark a number of different pistols.

[LJP]

My go to when I'm trying to assess my relative performance between guns is either the Tactical Professor's "Baseline Evaluation" drill or the Wilson/Seeklander 5x5.

[JAD]

This is the best test I’ve found for that effort. I have to work hard to avoid over using it.
https://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-247.html

[JHC]

Most pistols work well for me at 10 yards and in so my litmus test is something like the FBI modified bullseye on a B8 target.
10 shots slowfire at 25 yards.
two 5 shot strings from 15 yards in 15 seconds each string
two 5 shot strings from 15 yards in 10 seconds each string

In my experience anything I shoot well (for me) on that (in the 280+ range) will rock up close.

[cclaxton]

Thanks for all the great suggestions.
I will post here my results for the ones I run.
Cody

[David S.]

I would think the classifier of your choice.

[BigT]

I normally use the Gabe White tests and the Half test/Test/Super Test combo

[Prdator]

Check POA/POI at 5,10.15.25 yards Make sure gun ammo combo likes each other
Shoot for groups at 25.

The test,
The supper test
Dot torture
Gabe White tests.

[tgoldie00]

As I am mostly an all-metal or 1911 shooter....

200-500 rounds to break in if new pistol (more or less depending on manufacturers recommendations). I shoot 50 @ 7, 10, 15 yds (indoors), 6x6in circles target to allow differentiation of groupings, establish POA/POI of pistol at different ranges.

Once that is established, dot torture at 5 and 7 to see if the pistol is working for me in the hand, of if we are fighting. I haven't had one push back on me in a while, but it happens.

If I plan to use for home defense or carry, I also run minimum of 500 malfunction free rounds (of anything other than squib or hang-fire unless its a light-strike), 100 of carry ammo to establish it runs (1911 thing...lol).

[todd]

For me I use a few different drill's to help me "finalize" my carry pistol. I start with "Bill drill" for each, from holster, Then I do the "El Presidente", then I use Mr. Givens "Casino drill", I finish it up with the FBI qual, and rate the score. I figure between all the drill's I can measure, draw stroke/grip, reload ability, accuracy and trigger fit for me.

[nwhpfan]

I don't think it matters which gun you choose and I don't think you will perform better wtih one gun over the other.....long term. It is likely you'll perform better on drills heavy on gun handling with the gun you're most familiar. It's likely you'll perform better on slow fire accuracy drills with the trigger you are least familiar.

Here's a little story that you might find interesting:

A few years ago I started practical shooting and just happened to have an M&P 45 so that's what I used. I loaded it to minor and shot production. My good friend Mr. White told me how I could win a bunch of Glocks in GSSF - besides having a bunch of fun. I didn't really care about Glocks (just preference) but a "free" gun is cool so I borrowed his G21 and won a few. I liked the idea of winning free Glocks so much I thought it best to shoot them full time so I took my certifciates and set up a G34 for USPSA Production. At the same time I was a Ben Stoeger, Steve Anderson, et al. nuthugger and had converted my garage into a Dry Fire dojo. But there was a twist.....I had already loaded up about 10,000 rounds of ".45 minor" for my M&P and with winter (don't shoot in the rain) upon us there was no way I would shoot it by the following season to make a clean switch. And there was no way I would let it go to waste. So I decided I would shoot my normal dry fire and live fire training regime throughout the year and whenver I ran out...I would switch to Glock. Just so happens I ran out about 2 weeks before the "State Match." I won the local match the week prior and went on to finish top 10 overall and 3rd A. A few matches later I made Master.

Moral of the story... I was training and improving it was an uphill progression... maybe the climb was slightly stutterred at the switch but it was all uphill.

I like HK's, M&P's and even XDM's over the Glock and if it wasn't for GSSF I wouldn't be shooting them. But all of the guns I mentioned are so similiar I doubt there is any noticeable difference in what I can do with one over the other.

[Clobbersaurus]

I just switched from Beretta to Glock and the main tests I used to benchmark it on my first range trip were B8’s at 25 Yards and Bill drills. I then proceeded to shoot “call it and leave it” and then some movement and transition drills. Everything else I evaluated in dry practice.

I highly recommend shooting a Pistol Course with a new gun to really give it a deep evaluation. I found that the course I did last weekend left me with a much better sense of what I was capable of with the pistol by shooting it in a variety of non-standard drills that I had no benchmark for. I spent more than 16 hours with the gun during live fire. With roughly two hours of live fire practice during a typical training session, it would take a few months for me to get that much live trigger time on the gun (outside of any matches I shoot).