VolGrad
02-11-2012, 06:16 PM
I have always been and still remain a GLOCK guy. However, I decided to see what all the hub-bub was about and picked up a pair of LNIB FS M&Ps to try. I now have a 9mm and .45acp, neither have mag or thumb safeties. The triggers on both felt quite nice, much better than I recall M&P triggers to feel. They both had a nice crisp break and a fairly average reset length but quite a positive reset feel. To be quite honest had I known they would feel that good prior to ordering Apex parts I probably would have just left them alone. Unfortunately, I ordered the parts prior to picking up the pistols.
I took them both to the range today for the first time and ran a few hundred rounds through them. Feeling pleased they both functioned properly I was ready to install the parts. Forum member jlw came over to help out in case I ran into any trouble. He recently installed Apex hard sears in his M&P45s.
My M&P45 only got a hard sear. I do think it feels better now but can't say I can tell a night/day difference as I've been told I would. I have no plans to do anything else to this pistol except install Ameriglo HACK NS. I have them already but am hoping to borrow a sight pusher. The installation of the hard sear was relatively uneventful.
The M&P9 is where the fun began. For this gun I ordered the full Competition Action Enhancement Kit and the RAM.
jlw and I started by doing pretty much the full install of the Comp AEK. We didn't attempt to install the striker block though since we didn't have a sight pusher on hand. From the kit we installed the trigger spring, the sear spring, the hard sear, and the striker spring. We both immediately noticed the reset on the trigger was vastly different than before and not in a favorable way. The reset point was pretty much all the way out. Both of us felt and heard points along the way that felt as if they would/should have been the reset point. I am quite sure with the trigger in that configuration I would short stroke the trigger trying to work the reset.
Not being familiar enough with the M&P or the Apex parts neither of us really knew which particular spring made it feel that way.
We basically worked backwards replacing each spring with the original in turn, one at a time, to see if we could isolate it. In the end I am back to only having the hard sear and the RAM in the gun. All else was put back to factory. The trigger feel is still not back to what it was before we began and I am quite disappointed. What doesn't really make sense though is the reset should feel pretty much like it did originally now since all the springs are back to factory. The only difference is the hard sear and the RAM. I just don't understand what happened.
Can anyone else provide any insight on what might have happened to make the length of reset so much longer? It feels like there is a point about halfway through the reset where it sort of clicks but doesn't reset. It's very odd.
To be clear, I am not suggesting the parts or the gun are defective in any way. I am just trying to figure out the combinations and what makes it feel the way it does.
FTR if I had it to do all over again I would have only put the hard sear in this gun and left all else factory (except for the HACK sights I have for it).
I took them both to the range today for the first time and ran a few hundred rounds through them. Feeling pleased they both functioned properly I was ready to install the parts. Forum member jlw came over to help out in case I ran into any trouble. He recently installed Apex hard sears in his M&P45s.
My M&P45 only got a hard sear. I do think it feels better now but can't say I can tell a night/day difference as I've been told I would. I have no plans to do anything else to this pistol except install Ameriglo HACK NS. I have them already but am hoping to borrow a sight pusher. The installation of the hard sear was relatively uneventful.
The M&P9 is where the fun began. For this gun I ordered the full Competition Action Enhancement Kit and the RAM.
jlw and I started by doing pretty much the full install of the Comp AEK. We didn't attempt to install the striker block though since we didn't have a sight pusher on hand. From the kit we installed the trigger spring, the sear spring, the hard sear, and the striker spring. We both immediately noticed the reset on the trigger was vastly different than before and not in a favorable way. The reset point was pretty much all the way out. Both of us felt and heard points along the way that felt as if they would/should have been the reset point. I am quite sure with the trigger in that configuration I would short stroke the trigger trying to work the reset.
Not being familiar enough with the M&P or the Apex parts neither of us really knew which particular spring made it feel that way.
We basically worked backwards replacing each spring with the original in turn, one at a time, to see if we could isolate it. In the end I am back to only having the hard sear and the RAM in the gun. All else was put back to factory. The trigger feel is still not back to what it was before we began and I am quite disappointed. What doesn't really make sense though is the reset should feel pretty much like it did originally now since all the springs are back to factory. The only difference is the hard sear and the RAM. I just don't understand what happened.
Can anyone else provide any insight on what might have happened to make the length of reset so much longer? It feels like there is a point about halfway through the reset where it sort of clicks but doesn't reset. It's very odd.
To be clear, I am not suggesting the parts or the gun are defective in any way. I am just trying to figure out the combinations and what makes it feel the way it does.
FTR if I had it to do all over again I would have only put the hard sear in this gun and left all else factory (except for the HACK sights I have for it).