Interesting Read

[Doc_Glock]

Saw this article posted by Claude Werner (@HeadHunter)

It involves brutal armored car robberies(@Sherman A. House DDS). How the FBI cracked the case is real cloak and dagger spy versus spy stuff.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-doting-father-who-robbed-armored-cars/

[Paul D]

That is was an amazing story. It is like that movie 'Heat' the way the gang leader planned and work. The FBI agents were impressive too. I wouldn't surprise if they made a movie out of this story.

[TheNewbie]

He seemed like a low life long before he became an evil low life.

[JohnO]

You think you know someone, and later you discover that person ...

[Totem Polar]

That was an interesting read, thanks for posting it.

[feudist]

Fascinating and well written.

[Horseman]

Thanks for posting that.

It's an eye-opener on some tactical levels...and on a human behavior level. The amount of rationalization going on to paint the dead robber as a basically "good" guy is sickening.

Oh, and the writer hypothesizing that banks and the police were responsible for the behavior of a guy who was involved in some kind of criminal activity since his teens, plus non-support of his children, etc...? :rolleyes:

[Qaz98]

"high powered hand gun" So...not a Taurus?

"There’s a simple reason for this glaring difference: there is far less peril in robbing a bank than an armored car. Most banks don’t have armed security guards patrolling the lobbies...A criminal who robs an armored car, however, knows he’s putting his life on the line. " The argument against gun free zones, in a nutshell.

Good article. Thanks for the share. Agreed. It could make a good movie.

[Stephanie B]

"There’s a simple reason for this glaring difference: there is far less peril in robbing a bank than an armored car. Most banks don’t have armed security guards patrolling the lobbies...A criminal who robs an armored car, however, knows he’s putting his life on the line. "

I don’t mean to overly picky, but bank robbers aren’t making off with the kind of loot that they can get from knocking over an armored car. Most bank robbers are “in, grab the cash that the tellers have, and get out in less than two minutes”. They want to be out and gone before there is any chance of a police response, barring the risk that there happens to be a cop 300 feet away when they pull their job.

For the banks, what the robbers are taking from them is pretty much chump change. It’s not worth the risk to life (and the exposure to litigation) of having armed guards on the premises. Besides that, it seems that the clearance rate for bank robberies is rather high.

Bank robbery is a crime of idiots.


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[BJJ]

Thanks for posting. Very interesting read.

[Mark D]

Very interesting article.

[farscott]

Interesting article. While the FBI work appears outstanding, the thing that put the FBI onto the ringleader was the "reward money" for that tip. Without that tip, I wonder how many more robberies and murders would have been committed. Since the person who provided the tip settled for a fraction of the reward, it would appear the ringleader ticked off the wrong person.

[TC215]

I don’t mean to overly picky, but bank robbers aren’t making off with the kind of loot that they can get from knocking over an armored car. Most bank robbers are “in, grab the cash that the tellers have, and get out in less than two minutes”. They want to be out and gone before there is any chance of a police response, barring the risk that there happens to be a cop 300 feet away when they pull their job.

For the banks, what the robbers are taking from them is pretty much chump change. It’s not worth the risk to life (and the exposure to litigation) of having armed guards on the premises. Besides that, it seems that the clearance rate for bank robberies is rather high.

Bank robbery is a crime of idiots.


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Here's an article on some pretty interesting bank robberies:

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/11/01/the-bank-jobs-bank-employees-extorted-by-armed-robbers-to-rob-vaults/

I was very loosely involved in the investigation (mainly as a sounding board for ideas-- none of my theories worked out in the end). The article isn't exactly right in how they were solved; they attribute everything to a single FBI agent. In reality, the agent who's family members were wrecked in the pursuit wasn't involved in the investigation. It was another agent and a FBI task force officer (the TFO works for me).

[Dismas316]

Good read, especially knowing most of those areas. But i have to ask, what’s a “high powered handgun”? I think I’d like to have one of those.

[Dave Williams]

Good read, thanks for the link.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Good read, especially knowing most of those areas. But i have to ask, what’s a “high powered handgun”? I think I’d like to have one of those.

It's that .356TSW round Randy Lee @ Apex Tactical is working on. :cool:

We've had a number (for us) of successful and attempted robberies of armored cars and one company's operations facility. One crew was from outside of the area with several successful robberies & a couple murders under their belt. Their day here involved a guard shot up with an AK and the attempted murder of a cop.

A local crew involved a former police officer from a nearby agency.

There have been multiple attempts on the operations facility, one fairly recent.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I apologize for my tardiness upon being summoned into this thread...I spent the past three days with Guru Tom Givens earning this:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180507/937ef0780931e64b81bdd4a1388c0042.jpg

I read the article...as a minor discrepancy, the, “coal bag,” refers to the canvas bag with handles the blocks of money are carried in. “Money bags,” filled with cash or coin are simply called, “canvas bags.” I’m a stickler for nomenclature on things like this where they’re pivotal in describing the scene/incidents.

In the decade I was in the business, there were a number of, “inside jobs,” at my company, two in terms of non-violent embezzlement, and one in a semi-violent ATM key theft. Of the former two, one was prosecuted and the other suicided after murdering his wife who discovered the embezzlement. The latter was also prosecuted and is now free, as I saw him in a casino taking my Mom to brunch a couple years back. He saw me and quickly let out.

Anyone who tells you that the job of working on an armored truck is cushy, a push over, or easy, tell them that I said they can etadik. Some of the best friends I’ve ever known (2 have passed) I met in that job. But for every one of those gents, there are 100 turds that will tell you, “If you get ambushed outside the truck, I’m driving away and leaving you.” I’d always tell those guys that was fine, but if I walk out of the ambush, the next time I saw them, they better be wearing a cup!

In both of the robbery attempts I was involved in, my driver (partner) was a willing participant in my counter-ambush. The tactics that the bad guys used here were pretty advanced.

Just like the safest way to run a patrol car is with two men, the safest way to run an armored truck is with three men. One driver, one messenger and one dedicated shotgun (or rifleman).

I spent the last stint of my armored truck experience as a dedicated gunner, using an 870, or a carbine, and it was a great experience, and my crew and I were quite sharp and timely.

Oh, and for the record, my crews never lost a dime or a man, despite attempts and even being thrust into the middle of a riot (twice).


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[FNFAN]

We had a rather prolific group involved in some Vegas robberies, including an armored car robbery in which two couriers were killed. One of the guys that was eventually bagged was described as the most violent inmate that my friend in the detention center had seen in 25+ years of service.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2000/apr/28/armored-car-robberies-connected/