Shooting Shoot Striker Fired Pistols Better than 1911's?

[Jay585]

I just got a CZ P10C and wanted to compare it to my Glock 19.5. I decided while I was at it, I'd take my 1911's - it's been a while since I shot them.

I'm a bit surprised at my results, I thought I'd shoot the 1911's better. Any thoughts on why I did so poorly with my 1911's?

Shot left handed, at about 15 paces not slow, but not fast either.


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[GJM]

Possible reasons are the tests you pick, recent platform familiarity and your personal skill set.

[psalms144.1]

I'd give the biggest "nod" to familiarity. If you've been shooting pistols with heavier, mushier, longer trigger pulls, it's going to be harder to wring the greatest advantage out of the 1911's short, light, crisp trigger until you get back "into the groove" with it.

Next I'd suggest grip size/shape and relative recoil

[Jay585]

Okay, thank you for the responses.

With the XSE Lightweight 45's "group" being so bad I thought maybe something was up with the pistol, since I shot the 9mm 1911 a little better. Glad to hear the issue is most likely me.

[MGW]

You are being haunted by the ghost of JMB or you forgot to wash your hands after touching that icky plastic.

I find it really difficult to judge pistols off of accuracy only. Especially if the tests are done back to back. I also find it takes a few rounds to get back in the groove with SA triggers. It’s really easy for me to anticipate a 1911 trigger after shooting strikers guns. Not sure why. Seems backwards.

[HCM]

Okay, thank you for the responses.

With the XSE Lightweight 45's "group" being so bad I thought maybe something was up with the pistol, since I shot the 9mm 1911 a little better. Glad to hear the issue is most likely me.

Minor detail but you shot the striker guns and 1911s on different style targets.

[HopetonBrown]

I've been shooting Glocks almost exclusively for the past 4 years. Shot a friend's new Springfield Professional. My 25 yard bulls were better with my G34. Weird, huh?

[fixer]

The CZ P10C and Glock 19 gen5 are a very accurate set of pistols to begin with.

The variables that could drive this

Sight picture differences
Grip differences
Sight adjustment
Trigger finger placement differences

All these could be wrapped into 'familiarity'.

I don't think there is a huge problem here. If you spent the next two weekends practicing with the 1911s I'd bet your accuracy would be equal to the striker guns.

[Robinson]

In my experience, even though the 1911 trigger can be seen as an advantage it still requires consistent practice to shoot it well. It's not surprising that you shot the striker fired guns better than the 1911s if that is what you've been shooting.

[Jay585]

rThanks for the replies. Since general consensus says it's likely a familiarity issue, rather than put time into 1911's I'm thinking I'll get rid of them.


Minor detail but you shot the striker guns and 1911s on different style targets.

Does that really make a difference? I always thought that an aiming point was an aiming point, if you got your front sight focus right.

[HCM]

rThanks for the replies. Since general consensus says it's likely a familiarity issue, rather than put time into 1911's I'm thinking I'll get rid of them.



Does that really make a difference? I always thought that an aiming point was an aiming point, if you got your front sight focus right.

Color and shape of the Targets can make a difference. For a true measure you want to eliminate as many variables as possible.

[Mark D]

rThanks for the replies. Since general consensus says it's likely a familiarity issue, rather than put time into 1911's I'm thinking I'll get rid of them.



Does that really make a difference? I always thought that an aiming point was an aiming point, if you got your front sight focus right.

For me, a large bullseye target with small contrasting X ring or 10 ring brings the best results for slow fire accuracy. That very small but contrasting center really helps me "aim small, miss small". I'm pretty sure I could do a little better using the first targets, compared to the contrasting rings on the 1911 targets.

But I don't doubt that familiarity was the primary difference between the platforms. It would be interesting to see if the difference seen in slow fire is also manifested in drills.

There appears to be a little bit of "low left syndrome" in the 4th target. Except it's low right, which for a left handed shooter is equivilent to low left. When I see this on my targets (and I do, more than I'd like to admit), it indicates anticipatory push. Or your sights may just ned to be pushed on that pistol.

[Isaac]

My vote is familiarity too.

After not shooting a Glock in over a year, I shot my 642 better! Of course by the end of the range trip, the Glock was back on top.

[jwperry]

It also looks like you have better sights on your 2 striker pistols compared to the 2 1911s as well.

There's a whole bunch of you going wrong with those groups. :p
Mine look the same way; I can shoot 10 DA pulls on a P226 into 1 ragged hole at 15 yards, but would be lucky to score a 80+ on a B8 at the same distance with a 1911 if I was trying to shoot them both at the same range session. Familiarity has a lot to do with it. (or at least that's what I tell myself)

[Gio]

Familiarity is critically important for performance with a pistol. I have shot both 1911's and Glock's at a GM level, but I can't switch back and forth between the two in the same range session and shoot both to the same level. It usually takes at least 1-2 range sessions and some dedicated dry fire to re-acclimate to one or the other. It's actually harder for me to pick up a 1911 style gun and shoot it well when I haven't been shooting them in awhile than it is for me to pick up a Glock. With the 1911, I tend to get a lot of trigger freeze at speed.

[GJM]

Bill Wilson has told me it is an easier transition for him to go Beretta 92 to 1911, than vice versa, and he has decades of experience with both.

[1slow]

To, from?

[GJM]

To, from?

A lot easier to transition from shooting a 1911 to switching back to a B92, as opposed to the opposite transition.

[1slow]

Thanks.

[Mike38]

rThanks for the replies. Since general consensus says it's likely a familiarity issue, rather than put time into 1911's I'm thinking I'll get rid of them.



Does that really make a difference? I always thought that an aiming point was an aiming point, if you got your front sight focus right.

It makes a difference for me. The bottom two targets have yellow backgrounds. Problem for me, I tend to shift focus from the front sight to the bright color, then back again. Messes me up.

[Jay585]

Did a rather informal test today.

I was a little off my game as I can typically shoot better but this is what I got:

These targets were all shot at 10 paces. Never fired a browning high power before, and this was probably one of the AIM imports from Israel, it's pretty beat up and the sights are rounded (no sharp corners).

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[JRV]

There are a lot of benefits to polymer striker guns, but I have never found shootability to be one of them.

ETA: at least to me. I have always found a good striker to be a less suitable trigger and recoil stroke than an okay hammer-fired system.

Especially compared to a 1911. It's not a familiarity thing... I trained with, completed with, and carried a Glock 19 for two years while my 1911 project was going through modification and finish work. Immediately shot the 1911 better on every metric (Test/Super Test, 5x5, Gabe White Standards, 25 yard B8s) once the work was done.