Safariland Mid Ride Adapter "Flop"

[einherjarvalk]

I just picked up a KT Mech Akela holster for my USP Tactical, as they were the only people who made a Safariland-compatible holster for it with an X300 attached, and I'm discovering that my usual QLS setup isn't playing nice with a friction draw. On my ALS holsters, there are no issues whatsoever, but with a friction-draw holster, the holster has a tendency to "flop" right around the belt loops as I draw, poking me in the side and making for a very inconsistent draw.

Are there any solutions to this that don't involve moving the whole thing to a drop-leg platform? I'm thinking I may end up having to buy another QLS plate and attach it to a belt loop for use with this gun instead of leaving it at mid ride height like I prefer, but I'm not sure whether or not there are any better options out there.

[Trukinjp13]

I have a trex ragnarock with the qls and ubl mid-ride. I took the advice of Trex and used their legstrap. It is sandwiched in between the qls and the ragnarock. Works well and holster does not flop around. Also prefer the single strap to a full leg drop holster.

Sorry for the junk pic. But this setup.

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[einherjarvalk]

I've never been a huge fan of thigh straps but I'll give that a shot. $15 isn't enough for me to lose sleep over if it doesn't quite work out for me, and I tagged a QLS receiver along on the order just in case it doesn't and I need to go back to high/belt ride.

[Trukinjp13]

I've never been a huge fan of thigh straps but I'll give that a shot. $15 isn't enough for me to lose sleep over if it doesn't quite work out for me, and I tagged a QLS receiver along on the order just in case it doesn't and I need to go back to high/belt ride.

I agree on the leg strap. But I really liked the ride height with ubl. It seemed like a good enough compromise. I also installed a qls on a belt slide. So that way I can click the holster into a belt slide instead of mid ride if need be. Once again not perfect but is quick and easy when I do not need or want the mid ride on and still use my holster.




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[DpdG]

Are you talking about the mid-ride duty belt mount, or the belt slide that comes with the 6378 or 7378 “concealment” holsters? The duty belt mount really should be used with a traditional 2.25” duty belt and will flop around if used on smaller belts. Safariland has a spacer for 2” belts, but anything smaller really isn’t optimal.

The other potential issue is the location of the mounting nuts on the holster shell. The OE Safariland duty holsters have their mounting bolts near the muzzle, so the mid-ride mount usually results in the grip being somewhere near the top of the belt. Many aftermarket shells have the mount higher, near the rear sight (battle belt pictured above) resulting in a much lower ride height. These lower ride heights are nearing the ride height of the DFA setup Safariland sells, and need similar levels of stabilization.

[orionz06]

It's the Safariland component that's bending, right? If so a Boss Hanger or Invictus Practical hanger might be the ticket.

[Eyesquared]

The Safariland UBL is pretty rigid. It's more that the moment arm from the dropped offset location of the gun means that when you draw, the UBL will try to cant outwards away from your leg, especially if the belt is a little floppy. The leg strap helps prevent that by keeping it all tight to your thigh.

[einherjarvalk]

Are you talking about the mid-ride duty belt mount, or the belt slide that comes with the 6378 or 7378 “concealment” holsters? The duty belt mount really should be used with a traditional 2.25” duty belt and will flop around if used on smaller belts. Safariland has a spacer for 2” belts, but anything smaller really isn’t optimal.

The other potential issue is the location of the mounting nuts on the holster shell. The OE Safariland duty holsters have their mounting bolts near the muzzle, so the mid-ride mount usually results in the grip being somewhere near the top of the belt. Many aftermarket shells have the mount higher, near the rear sight (battle belt pictured above) resulting in a much lower ride height. These lower ride heights are nearing the ride height of the DFA setup Safariland sells, and need similar levels of stabilization.

I'm using the 2" UBL duty belt mount with a Safariland spacer insert to tighten it down a little around my 1.5" Ares Aegis belt. Safariland may be changing their mounting patterns though; I have a 7TS ALS holster for my P30L as well and the bolts are in pretty much the same place as my KT Mech USP holster. Put 'em side by side and they ride about evenly.

I still have the belt slide that came with my 7TS ALS holster; I'll attach the QLS receiver I bought to one as a temporary solution in case I need to have the gun ride up higher.


It's the Safariland component that's bending, right? If so a Boss Hanger or Invictus Practical hanger might be the ticket.

Yeah, the drop platform rotates around the belt and flexes the belt vertically when I draw from a friction retention holster. I remember looking into the Invictus Practical hangar at one point. The HHS with a Tek-Lok might be something I try if the leg strap thing doesn't work out.

[orionz06]

Yeah, the drop platform rotates around the belt and flexes the belt vertically when I draw from a friction retention holster. I remember looking into the Invictus Practical hangar at one point. The HHS with a Tek-Lok might be something I try if the leg strap thing doesn't work out.


That's kinda what I had been thinking. Seen it many times over.

[DpdG]

What is the use for this rig- gaming, training, etc...?

Safariland puts the mounting flange in different spots- duty holsters mount near the muzzle end, while the "concealment" ones (6377, 7378, etc..) mount much higher, with the top bolts near the rear sight. I think you're mixing stuff that really isn't meant to work together, between a duty hanger on a 1.5" belt with a concealment height holster shell on a QLS fork. I'm not saying they can't be made to work, but when you add those factors together, I can't say I'm surprised the outcome isn't quite what you hoped for.

[Trukinjp13]

What is the use for this rig- gaming, training, etc...?

Safariland puts the mounting flange in different spots- duty holsters mount near the muzzle end, while the "concealment" ones (6377, 7378, etc..) mount much higher, with the top bolts near the rear sight. I think you're mixing stuff that really isn't meant to work together, between a duty hanger on a 1.5" belt with a concealment height holster shell on a QLS fork. I'm not saying they can't be made to work, but when you add those factors together, I can't say I'm surprised the outcome isn't quite what you hoped for.

I use mine for range use at home. And with the leg strap I have not had any issues. It works well as a system for its intended use. Honestly I got turned on to the idea by Garandthumb. He uses it quite a bit and seemed to like the setup and height. After trying it for myself, I agree.

It sits at a comfortable height for my reach, I get the gun out of the holster fast with it as well. And I like that I can just swap holster shells for which pistol I am using. If I need a duty holster. I will have a als holster on my belt.


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[DpdG]

I use mine for range use at home. And with the leg strap I have not had any issues. It works well as a system for its intended use. Honestly I got turned on to the idea by Garandthumb. He uses it quite a bit and seemed to like the setup and height. After trying it for myself, I agree.

It sits at a comfortable height for my reach, I get the gun out of the holster fast with it as well. And I like that I can just swap holster shells for which pistol I am using. If I need a duty holster. I will have a als holster on my belt.

I was more asking for the original poster, as it sounds like he needs to add the leg strap to get his parts and pieces to work the way he wants them to.

Sounds like you've got your rig figured out, and I agree the leg strap works well for that use. I personally use a DFA with a single strap thigh platform, but the only reason I do that over a low-ride duty hanger is so I have a place to mount a bang pouch.

[03RN]

I found I had the same problem. I trained to draw straight up and have not needed a leg strap. Which was the biggest reason for moving away from a 6004 on a dropleg platform.

Also, make sure the belt loops are not sliding.

[Gio]

I'm about to start running a BOSS DOH hanger with my Safariland tactical gear for work. Nothing else comes close as far as stability and adjustability.

[AMC]

I'm about to start running a BOSS DOH hanger with my Safariland tactical gear for work. Nothing else comes close as far as stability and adjustability.

Are you going to run that on a Safariland ALS Duty holster? No leg shroud and strap, right? Hadn't thought of that. I use an ALS with a standard height UBL, but do like the rigidity of the BOSS hanger for gaming. I know they have the adapter...just never thought of it. What belt are you using that on?

[Gio]

Are you going to run that on a Safariland ALS Duty holster? No leg shroud and strap, right? Hadn't thought of that. I use an ALS with a standard height UBL, but do like the rigidity of the BOSS hanger for gaming. I know they have the adapter...just never thought of it. What belt are you using that on?

I only wear an ALS for swat missions and training, so I wouldn’t be wearing it all day every day. I use either a crye battle belt or us grunt gear infidel belt for that. I do plan on using it with no leg shroud or strap though.

[einherjarvalk]

I got both the leg strap and a second QLS receiver today. The QLS receiver went on a Safariland 745BL belt clip to provide a permanent belt-level mounting system, but the leg strap also fixed my problem entirely. Both of them work just fine with my draw now; depending on how I feel that day I can wear one or the other.

Options are always important.

[stomridertx]

Apologies as I know this is an old thread, but I have a unique solution. When I encountered this on a 1.5" belt with the UBL I drilled holes and attached a Tek-lok inside the UBL. I placed the spacers of the Tek-lok to match a 1.5 inch belt. This allows me to route the belt through both the UBL and the Tek-Lok and makes it stable on a 1.5 belt without the flop. You also get the option to quick attach the holster to the belt with the Tek-Lok and bypass running the belt through the UBL's slots.
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[Larry Sellers]

This is a very neat solution. I'm going to give it a shot work some stuff Ive got laying around

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[einherjarvalk]

Decided to do the same mod on mine tonight. Seems to work well with my RHT holster. Used a 5/32" bit to drill pilot holes, then a 13/64" to get them wide enough to run the TekLok threaded nuts into. However, I swapped the Blade-Tech screws for Safariland ones, as the BT screws were only engaging maybe the first half of the threads even without the spacer. The Safariland screws I salvaged from another holster got almost flush without a spacer, so I'm leaving those in there instead. The first photo shows a factory Blade-Tech screw installed at the upper right and the Safariland one on the bottom to give you an idea of how much more thread engagement I'm getting.

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[Badger]

Do you guys realize that the small hole on the UBL is for routing a zip tie through to keep 1.5 and 1.75 belts in place?

[DpdG]

Do you guys realize that the small hole on the UBL is for routing a zip tie through to keep 1.5 and 1.75 belts in place?

Do you have a link or photo showing that? I’m staring at a UBL and I’m coming up blank.

[oregon45]

Do you have a link or photo showing that? I’m staring at a UBL and I’m coming up blank.

https://i.imgur.com/rHxYOyX.jpg?1

Safariland UBL on a 1.5" HSGI belt, secured with two zip ties.

[DpdG]

Thank you, picture is worth a thousand words.

[Wendell]

To adapt the UBL to a 1.5" belt, I bought the RDR Gear UBL Belt Width Modification, which does work exactly as I expected. https://rdrgear.com/products/safariland-ubl-modification

You still have the cant issue, though...

It looks to me as though the Tek-Lok/UBL adaptation, as presented by stomridertx (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?16949-stomridertx), is superior. Not only does it fix the 'flop', it could easily fix the cant issue too.

[JSGlock34]

I'm very pleased with my True North Modular Holster Adapter. (https://truenorth-usa.com/product/modular-holster-adapter/). It's the Gucci solution for sure, but it is very much a tactical version of the BOSS. Very stable, with some adjustment for cant. You can use a Tek-Lok for belt attachment if desired.

[littlejerry]

I'm very pleased with my True North Modular Holster Adapter. (https://truenorth-usa.com/product/modular-holster-adapter/). It's the Gucci solution for sure, but it is very much a tactical version of the BOSS. Very stable, with some adjustment for cant. You can use a Tek-Lok for belt attachment if desired.

That looks like a great, if spendy, option. Been wanting to drop my ALS lower on my biathlon rig, but also don't want to introduce flop since I'll be running 6-12 miles with it.

[Tokarev]

I'm very pleased with my True North Modular Holster Adapter. (https://truenorth-usa.com/product/modular-holster-adapter/). It's the Gucci solution for sure, but it is very much a tactical version of the BOSS. Very stable, with some adjustment for cant. You can use a Tek-Lok for belt attachment if desired.How's the True North deal working? Still using it?

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[JSGlock34]

How's the True North deal working? Still using it?

Yes, I very much like it. It's essentially a tactical version of the BOSS. Admittedly, I haven't subjected it to really hard use.

[Tokarev]

Yes, I very much like it. It's essentially a tactical version of the BOSS. Admittedly, I haven't subjected it to really hard use.What's the setup? QLS fork or direct connect? Tek Lok belt attachment or the TN belt clamp?

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[JSGlock34]

Direct mount to a Ronin belt. I found the direct mount more stable than Tek-Lok and I didn’t need the QD functionality to remove the MHA from the belt. I use QLS to mount the holster to the MHA - that allows me to swap holsters depending on what pistol I’m running.

[John Hearne]

How's the True North deal working? Still using it?

I've been running the True North for 5ish months and some other guys at work are running them as well. Overall, everyone loves them if for no reason other than more space on the duty belt.

When I first mounted mine, it was at the teetering edge of too low to be comfortable in the vehicle. I'd notice it if driving for a while without a break. Eventually, the discomfort went away. I suspect that the seat compressed and conformed to the lower holster.