Sling- single or two point?

[TheBigCountry]

This shotgun will only be for HD and for training classes. I see a lot of guys running two point slings, is there any downside to a single point sling on a shotgun?

Thank you

[GJM]

This shotgun will only be for HD and for training classes. I see a lot of guys running two point slings, is there any downside to a single point sling on a shotgun?

Thank you

Covering your feet.

[HCM]

This shotgun will only be for HD and for training classes. I see a lot of guys running two point slings, is there any downside to a single point sling on a shotgun?

Thank you

Same downsides as single points on any other long gun. Gun is attached to you but flopping around loose and when not in hand. You can duplicate the advantages of the single point such as switching shoulders by necklace carrying with your two point.

[BehindBlueI's]

Do you like hitting yourself in the nuts when you transition to a handgun? If so, a single point is for you.

[Peally]

Depends on what you're using it for I guess. 2 point seems to be popular now, 1 point will flop around more so you'll need to retain it somehow (kinda blowing the point of a sling), 3 point is more complex but I had one years ago and it was alright too.

[TheBigCountry]

Do you like hitting yourself in the nuts when you transition to a handgun? If so, a single point is for you.

Lol, two point it is!
Thanks for the replies all. It makes sense now

[blues]

I've had an old Blackhawk Swift Sling on my 870 for about 15 years or so. Fairly versatile and capable though I prefer the Magpul MS4 I have on the AR for more options.

[StraitR]

The only thing left in my house with a single-point sling is a weed eater.

[texasaggie2005]

The only thing left in my house with a single-point sling is a weed eater.

I'd hate to hit myself in the nuts with that...

[blues]

I'd hate to hit myself in the nuts with that...

Well, on the bright side you could finally get rid of them chiggers...

;)

[StraitR]

I'd hate to hit myself in the nuts with that...

Standard single-point transition rules apply. I'm telling you, bungee single-points really come into their own on weed eaters.

[Unobtanium]

Single point is where it's at on a static range or your livingroom in front of the mirror working transitions.
2 point is where it's at after you try to move with the weapon "slung" and discover the properties of inertia, pendulum ballistic movement, and the sensitivity of the testicles to blunt force trauma.

I would also point out that most people who swear by the single point sling are also equipped with an integrated front mount ruck, aka, panace, and this creates standoff to keep the muzzle angled outward and from covering their own feet. Food for thought...the arfcom crowd may know something...

[JohnO]

Single point is where it's at on a static range or your livingroom in front of the mirror working transitions.
2 point is where it's at after you try to move with the weapon "slung" and discover the properties of inertia, pendulum ballistic movement, and the sensitivity of the testicles to blunt force trauma.

In the real word you need the ability to cinch that long gun down.

[Bigghoss]

They issued us all single point slings for our carbines at work. I spent my own money on a two point and mounting hardware. I used to use a 3-point a couple years ago. Those are one of those things where the idea was better than the reality.

[John Hearne]

I am generally a fan of two-point slings but for some reason, a single point sling on my 14" 870 just seemed "right." I run a VTAC two-point currently but don't get my panties in a bunch over a single point on a short shotty.

My take is that a single point "sling" really isn't a sling. A sling can be used to store the weapon and clear the hands for other tasks. The single point is really only useful if the long gun is the primary weapon and you only need the sling to hold the long gun while you transition to the handgun.

[nalesq]

I have always preferred a single point sling on a shoulder fired weapon for dedicated CQB work, because of the marginally enhanced maneuverability and ‘handiness’ of an unencumbered fore end. I have found this to be perhaps particularly true when one should be able to work said fore end vigorously, as with a pump action. Yet I too dislike getting my nuts smashed, my knees burned, or my feet muzzled.

Luckily, the SKD PIG drop slide single point sling is specifically designed to reduce the likelihood of getting smacked in the nuts during a transition, and in my experience works reasonably well in that regard:

https://www.skdtac.com/PIG-Drop-Slider-TM-Sling-Mk-1-p/pig.110.htm

When letting the weapon hang administratively, its design similarly makes it easier to keep the muzzle away from one’s feet and generally out of the way.

I think it’s therefore one of the better single point slings out there, if you have to run a single pointer.




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[TCinVA]

This shotgun will only be for HD and for training classes. I see a lot of guys running two point slings, is there any downside to a single point sling on a shotgun?

Thank you

Single point slings are kind of a specialist piece of gear, IMO. They work best with weapons the size of an MP5. The MP5 is where the bungie style single points came from...because that's about the only weapon that specific type of sling works with. Notice how those things seem to have disappeared? You can only get butt-stroked in the chin by your own rifle so many times before you learn the lesson.

If you do a lot of in-and-out of vehicle type work a single point makes sense.

For general purpose shotgun use typical for the average citizen I'd greatly prefer a quick adjust two point.

And the getting nutted thing is 100% true with single points used in conjunction with most single points and weapons that aren't MP5's. Keep in mind that a typical shotgun is a good bit heavier than a typical AR setup...and that extra pound and a half or so can be the difference between "That was mildly uncomfortable" and "OW, MY BALLS"

An 870 with a 20" barrel and a Surefire forend is not something you want to drop and take to the nuts.

EDIT - On a 2 point I don't struggle to work the action. Typically there are sufficient mounting options that you can find a way to arrange the sling so that running the action is unimpeded by the sling.

[TCinVA]

They issued us all single point slings for our carbines at work. I spent my own money on a two point and mounting hardware. I used to use a 3-point a couple years ago. Those are one of those things where the idea was better than the reality.

MP5 theory doesn't work so hot on everything else.

[TheBigCountry]

Any thoughts on this vtac 2 point?
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/650125/vtac-original-2-point-sling?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Shooting%20-%20Slings&utm_content=650125&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Shooting%20-%20Slings-_-VTAC-_-650125&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI37eLuveg2gIVFODICh3vtAErEAQYASAB EgKTdPD_BwE

[Bucky]

I see a lot of 3 gunners running single point these days (I know, different application). Still, seems better to stick with 2 point for that as well.

[Dagga Boy]

Having conducted literally thousands of both indoor and outdoor high risk searches with a 12 ga. Shotgun, it is one of the guns I often run a single point sling. My most used gun and primary home defense gun is equipped with a single point. I have found the benefits in the field during actual real world use in urban operations with the 12 ga. favored a single point as far as pro’s versus cons.

[Unobtanium]

Having conducted literally thousands of both indoor and outdoor high risk searches with a 12 ga. Shotgun, it is one of the guns I often run a single point sling. My most used gun and primary home defense gun is equipped with a single point. I have found the benefits in the field during actual real world use in urban operations with the 12 ga. favored a single point as far as pro’s versus cons.

What is your preferred 1-point sling? I'm considering this for an SBS, so maybe it won't be a terrible idea for me?

[Paladin]

Do you like hitting yourself in the nuts when you transition to a handgun? If so, a single point is for you.
This times a thousand!
Rick

[Dagga Boy]

What is your preferred 1-point sling? I'm considering this for an SBS, so maybe it won't be a terrible idea for me?

Set up right, something like a Magpul MS 4 would be the way to go. I had one on one shotgun that could work as both a two point or single point as needed.

I guess because I never, not one single time transitioned from my gauge to a pistol by simply dropping the gun have I had an issue with harming myself. I think you have some responsibility for muzzle control which is done with the Support hand while the primary goes to the pistol. Don’t know if this has ever been done by anyone in the field of dropping an empty shotgun on single point and hitting themselves while transitioning to a pistol. The problem with not control slung guns and gear was reflected when a unarmed probed out teen was killed when a SWAT officers Benelli discharged when a center mounted knife on a vest got hung up in a trigger guard. We simply need to understand how our gear works and fits. I also know that plenty of long guns have gotten hung up on door handles in both structures and vehicles, entangled with gear and other issues that make he single point a good thing in some scenarios. Like he shotgun......it’s a niche weapon for a niche that applies to a ton of folks. The single point is one of those things that fits in far better in the field or in your home than it does doing range drills or in a military scenario or carrying the gun for long periods.

[Unobtanium]

Set up right, something like a Magpul MS 4 would be the way to go. I had one on one shotgun that could work as both a two point or single point as needed.

I guess because I never, not one single time transitioned from my gauge to a pistol by simply dropping the gun have I had an issue with harming myself. I think you have some responsibility for muzzle control which is done with the Support hand while the primary goes to the pistol. Don’t know if this has ever been done by anyone in the field of dropping an empty shotgun on single point and hitting themselves while transitioning to a pistol. The problem with not control slung guns and gear was reflected when a unarmed probed out teen was killed when a SWAT officers Benelli discharged when a center mounted knife on a vest got hung up in a trigger guard. We simply need to understand how our gear works and fits. I also know that plenty of long guns have gotten hung up on door handles in both structures and vehicles, entangled with gear and other issues that make he single point a good thing in some scenarios. Like he shotgun......it’s a niche weapon for a niche that applies to a ton of folks. The single point is one of those things that fits in far better in the field or in your home than it does doing range drills or in a military scenario or carrying the gun for long periods.
Makes sense. Bungee, or no? I had an MS4 and would prefer not to go down that path again.

[LJP]

I use a Northeast Tactical bungee single point on my 870P SBS. That and an AR pistol are just about the only times that I like a single point.


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[HCM]

Any thoughts on this vtac 2 point?
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/650125/vtac-original-2-point-sling?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Shooting%20-%20Slings&utm_content=650125&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Shooting%20-%20Slings-_-VTAC-_-650125&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI37eLuveg2gIVFODICh3vtAErEAQYASAB EgKTdPD_BwE

Good to go. The VTAC sling is the issue sling of the FBI, DHS / ICE and I believe CBP among others. I’ve been using one over 10 years.

Plus they make a replacement buckle for it with a QD point which allows you to convert it from a two point to a one point on the rare occasions that is an advantage.

http://www.vikingtactics.com/product-p/vtac-2to1.htm

[RevolverRob]

Having conducted literally thousands of both indoor and outdoor high risk searches with a 12 ga. Shotgun, it is one of the guns I often run a single point sling. My most used gun and primary home defense gun is equipped with a single point. I have found the benefits in the field during actual real world use in urban operations with the 12 ga. favored a single point as far as pro’s versus cons.

Not for use by people with shorter than 34" inseams.

I had, for about 10 minutes, my 870 setup almost identically. And I discovered that the sling 1) Either had to be short and tight to avoid the muzzle banging the floor. Or 2) The muzzle hit the floor.

28.5" inseam guy over here notes that if you sling a 32" long weapon such that approximately 24-26" of its length is ahead of you...you're gonna have a bad time.

Two point slings solve this issue.

[nalesq]

I am 5’9” and have a 30 inch inseam. The muzzle of an 18-inch barreled 870 on a single point sling hanging on me doesn’t come particularly close to smacking the deck unless I suddenly crouch or drop to my knees without guiding the muzzle.

But conducting similar movement even with a 2 point sling inside a home is also liable to result in the muzzle smacking unwanted objects or surfaces if you’re just letting the weapon hang unguided.


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[Dagga Boy]

We need to be smart on this. If it does not work for you physically it is a mute conversation. Obviously if you are shorter with a long gun, it won’t work and you need to move on to something that will.

Bungee’s.....do not like them on a single point and that is where a lot of issues come from. The weight of a fully equipped 870 on a single loop bungee will result in some serious issues. Again, common sense. I LOVE bungee type slings in a two point in a very short set up like the very back of the receiver on an AR and the rearmost position on the handguard. A ton of the single point benefits without the most of the negatives.

[Screwball]

My home defense shotgun is a 20” 870P, which I have a MS3 on, is setup as single point. I leave it that way so I can leave it in a position that will not get hung up on the mount, and still be easy to toss on. I do have a mount to switch to two point, which I try to do on all of my guns.

I also have a TAC-14, which in its stock form, I have two QD points for my MS4; one on forend, one on plate in front of grip (had to modify the sidesaddle plate for it to fit). I like to have options, so I also picked up a Suarez International Folding Brace for it. Due to the design, I couldn’t run the plate because of the gap between the Magpul grip and trigger guard/safety.

To figure out the rear QD point, I pulled the sling loop on top of the folding mechanism... threaded post with a lock nut. Got the Magpul Type 1 QD mount, went to Lowe’s to get a similar bolt/hardware... and solution is found. I got stainless, but going to be a moot point, as I will be having Robar redo the entire firearm in NP3 Plus. But with the profile/weight of either setup, I prefer single point for it. If I needed to secure it better, pop the sling loop apart and put it in the forward QD point.

[StraitR]

We need to be smart on this. If it does not work for you physically it is a mute conversation. Obviously if you are shorter with a long gun, it won’t work and you need to move on to something that will.

Bungee’s.....do not like them on a single point and that is where a lot of issues come from. The weight of a fully equipped 870 on a single loop bungee will result in some serious issues. Again, common sense. I LOVE bungee type slings in a two point in a very short set up like the very back of the receiver on an AR and the rearmost position on the handguard. A ton of the single point benefits without the most of the negatives.

For the sake of clarity, because my weed eater comments read a little disparaging and terse....

I found that all of my issues came from the following:

1) Improper application - I was using a MS2 as a GP sling (because it was "cool"), during outdoor and carbine match use, the result of which were nut shots and beat up knees if not controlling the long gun with off hand while drawing/shooting my secondary and/or any kind of movement. In other words, not the sling's fault.
2) Used on long guns with excessive OAL. Basically, a 16" carbine. I'm 5'11", and while the muzzle didn't come close to dragging at hang, it was too low for my liking (just below my knees) when the sling was adjusted for easy shoulder transitions. In other words, not the sling's fault.

So they didn't work for me due to "how" I was using them and with "what" I was using them on, but they have their place as DB points out. Do to my typical needs, I've chosen not to bother with SBR's, but if I did, and I used one for HD, I'd likely bring the single-point in from the garage and give it a go.

[Unobtanium]

We need to be smart on this. If it does not work for you physically it is a mute conversation. Obviously if you are shorter with a long gun, it won’t work and you need to move on to something that will.

Bungee’s.....do not like them on a single point and that is where a lot of issues come from. The weight of a fully equipped 870 on a single loop bungee will result in some serious issues. Again, common sense. I LOVE bungee type slings in a two point in a very short set up like the very back of the receiver on an AR and the rearmost position on the handguard. A ton of the single point benefits without the most of the negatives.

Ever used/heard of/thought about the "PIG slider"?

[blues]

I like the Magpul MS4 since most times I leave it configured as a two point sling, but in a matter of a couple of seconds I can switch over to single point and quickly adjust the fit via the slider.

Mileage and groin injuries may vary...

[Dagga Boy]

Ever used/heard of/thought about the "PIG slider"?

Nope. The one gun I really want a single point on has the same sling on it that I have used for pushing 20 years. It was a bit of a one off to work with an older style side saddle.


I like the Magpul MS4 since most times I leave it configured as a two point sling, but in a matter of a couple of seconds I can switch over to single point and quickly adjust the fit via the slider.

Mileage and groin injuries may vary...

These days, I think these types of slings and configurations solve a lot of problems and give the user some solid options based on the situation.

[03RN]

I really dislike single point slings. I can get by with 3 point slings on non-pump guns but prefer 2 points.

I was originally issued a single point sling with my 1014 and I thought it was pretty cool coming from shooting slings and modified shooting slings with duct tape and paracord at first but quickly learned to dislike them.

I just think that 2 points have a little more control over the weapon if my hands are occupied.

Trying to take a leak is easier too.

Fwiw I also seldom use slings. I typically carry long guns in my hands and only sling if I really need too.

I started deer hunting on admiralty island when I was 14 and got a few lessons on why your weapon should always be in you hands due to the high concentration of brownies. I don't even sling my 22s when squirrel hunting now.

[Dagga Boy]

If you are actually carrying the gun a lot and out in the field....the single point is the wrong sling. It is a CQB thing..period. Here is what I am running on my general purpose do it all dead stock Beretta TX4. It is a rubber stretchy sling I get from a guy who sets up at the Dallas Safari Club show and is usually mobbed by the professional guides and serious hunters buying hese things in quantity. Again, different purpose, different solution.

[Chuck Whitlock]

My current setup is an MS4 hanging over the passenger headrest in my patrol car. I can throw it over my head prior to arriving at a call, and grab either AR or shottie while getting out of the car. The guns have QD mounts, and are racked slick, with no sling to hang up on anything. I'll attach either to the MS4 in either 1 or 2 point configuration as needed.

I'm 5'5"-ish, and have always run my sling over my right shoulder and under the left arm. When dropping the long gun, I guide it to my left, and the radio on my duty belt works decently as a catch......never knocked myself in the twins.

[Gadfly]

Blue Force Vickers sling or VTAC sling...

We issued 3 points for years, and our SRT guys got single points. We have issued VTACs for about 3 years now. After using all types, the 2 point is by far the most versatile “all around” sling set up. Single has its place, but overall, I am not a fan. 3 point has its place with a HK that had all the hooks and mounts in the right place, but for most other guns they suck ass.

BFG, VTAC, MagPul... in that order. Just my humble $.02 worth of experience.


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[Dagga Boy]

Blue Force Vickers sling or VTAC sling...

We issued 3 points for years, and our SRT guys got single points. We have issued VTACs for about 3 years now. After using all types, the 2 point is by far the most versatile “all around” sling set up. Single has its place, but overall, I am not a fan. 3 point has its place with a HK that had all the hooks and mounts in the right place, but for most other guns they suck ass.

BFG, VTAC, MagPul... in that order. Just my humble $.02 worth of experience.


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I would agree with all of the above, so we are up to $.04.