38 Special HST 130gr +P in Organic Gel

[Tokarev]

Good afternoon, PF! Here's something you will be interested in. At least all y'all who carry a 38SPL for defense.

There have been a few tests of this particular load in Clear Gel but, so far at least, mine is the first test in 10% organic gel. I've used Clear Gel previously but have only recently started messing with making true organic gel. I've tried a couple different blocks with grocery store gel but have decided to start using VYSE gel since it is the correct stuff. It is supposedly favored over other options for its consistency and I've found it easy to work with.

The organic gel block used here was made last weekend and has been under refrigeration for a week. I took it out of the fridge this morning and immediately put it into a Coleman cooler for transport for the hills. Total time in the cooler was about 35 minutes from fridge door to range setup.

Three .177 BBs were used to validate the block. Chrono data was only captured for one BB. This showed a muzzle velocity of 579 fps. All three BBs fell within millimeters of the 8.5cm calibration.

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Next up was one round of the 38 HST fired into bare gel. The firearm used was a Ruger LCR with a 1.87" barrel.

The recorded muzzle velocity was 854 fps. This bullet penetrated to a depth of 11.25 inches.

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Next was a round through FBI spec heavy clothing. The heavy clothing sample was bought from Clear Ballistics and is two pieces of cotton fabric covered by a layer of insulation and topped with a sheet of denim.

The first bullet through clothing had a recorded velocity of 825 fps and punched to 11.75 inches in the block.
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The 3rd and final round fired through clothing penetrated right to the 12" mark with a velocity of 860 fps.

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Just for comparison I also fired one round of Winchester 110gr +P+ through clothing into the block. This bullet showed 1,015 fps for velocity and penetrated to 10.25 inches. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180210/bef5ccbb2bee6be33b8c9af902b0d581.jpg

Here soon I'll cut into the block and get expanded diameters and retained weights. It does look like the HSTs lost a petal or two at around five or six inches in the block.

All shooting was done from 10 feet. The chronograph was set up directly in front of the gel.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.

[BehindBlueI's]

Can you compare the HST's recoil to more traditional HP loads of the same weight? I'm curious if the reduced case volume, which should mean less powder used, equates to less recoil over something like the PDX-1.

[Tokarev]

Can you compare the HST's recoil to more traditional HP loads of the same weight? I'm curious if the reduced case volume, which should mean less powder used, equates to less recoil over something like the PDX-1.The recoil seems pretty mild. It does have a bit less "thump" than the 110gr +P+ although I don't find it particularly unpleasant. Definitely less muzzle blast than the Winchester stuff.

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[Tokarev]

Recoil is pretty subjective and the LCR probably isn't the best gun to use as far as that stuff is concerned.

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[BehindBlueI's]

Recoil is pretty subjective and the LCR probably isn't the best gun to use as far as that stuff is concerned.

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It is subjective, but the LCR is the exact gun I'm interested in. :)

To add a bit, I tried a host of different rounds from standard pressure .38 to full house 158 gr magnums in mine before settling on the PDX-1 +P as the junction of tolerable recoil and reasonable performance. 125gr .357 magnum and the 130-ish gr .38+P seemed to be the sweet spot, but muzzle flash on the 125 gr was...significant.

[Tokarev]

My LCR is an older model that has been discontinued. It has an XS big dot front sight and has what I believe was called the Boot Grip.

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[Leroy Suggs]

Tokarev thanks for that test.

@BehindBluel's the HST has significantly less recoil than the RA38B in my 442-1.

[JHC]

Great job.

Penetration is a bit shallow isn't it?

[Tokarev]

Great job.

Penetration is a bit shallow isn't it?Yeah just under the FBI spec of 12" but probably okay given the size of the gun and the muzzle velocity, etc.

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[WDR]

FWIW... SG Ammo has this stuff for cheaper than I have seen it listed anywhere else... around $16/20 rounds. Not sure how long it'll last.

Personally, I'll stick with the RA38B I have. I think it should penetrate a bit better. And I am biased towards more penetration. That said, recoil was somewhat more mild than the Ranger, but not as mild as my WC handloads (PD 148gr HBWC with 3.0gr W231).

[5pins]

Outstanding work Tokarev!

Just as I suspected, the test conducted by Guns.com and Mrgunsngear was way out of line to what they should have gotten. Your results were very similar to what I got in Clear Gel.

[Shawn Dodson]

Great job! Glad to see you're putting those gelatin molds to good use.

[Tokarev]

Great job! Glad to see you're putting those gelatin molds to good use.

:D

[Tokarev]

Alright. The bullets have been removed from the gel. I have them weighed and measured.

The bullets all lost at least one petal. But the part(s) that broke off are small pieces of the lead core. None of the jacket material appears to have been lost. The small pieces all broke off between about five and eight inches in the gel.

Here are the three HST bullets on the left. The Winchester 110gr JHP bullet is on the right and is included for comparison. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/a88d3bdc8649ab2dda849c0ed419fb9f.jpg

The HST bullets all lost a few grains of mass but it probably wasn't enough to radically change the outcome.

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The Winchester bullet's weight wasn't photographed but it was 109.6 grains.

And here are the expanded diameters. All three bullets show a jacket that's peeled back against the shank of the bullets. The exception is one petal on one bullet. It didn't roll back fully but rather sticks out just a bit. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/895509af0f7a1053051da3bbde4ae376.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/7592f7a3b45f905b755b5bf68d20e4bd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/25b08c9477a7186895646af9115fdb1d.jpg

And here's the Winchester bullet. Again just for comparison. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/26f7b1ecde22e037d363b06ba7e8f6c6.jpg

[Tokarev]

Overall pretty good performance. It will be interesting to see what happens when this load is shot from something with a longer barrel. Will the bullet penetrate deeper or just open that much faster and penetrate even shallower as a result?

These bullets are all opened up about as far as they will probably go at about 850 fps. It makes me wonder what the minimum expansion threshold is.

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[LOBO]

Which one of the HST's in the first pic and in the pics with the caliper were fired through the clothing? BTW, thanks for doing the test!



Alright. The bullets have been removed from the gel. I have them weighed and measured.

The bullets all lost at least one petal. But the part(s) that broke off are small pieces of the lead core. None of the jacket material appears to have been lost. The small pieces all broke off between about five and eight inches in the gel.

Here are the three HST bullets on the left. The Winchester 110gr JHP bullet is on the right and is included for comparison. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/a88d3bdc8649ab2dda849c0ed419fb9f.jpg

The HST bullets all lost a few grains of mass but it probably wasn't enough to radically change the outcome.

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The Winchester bullet's weight wasn't photographed but it was 109.6 grains.

And here are the expanded diameters. All three bullets show a jacket that's peeled back against the shank of the bullets. The exception is one petal on one bullet. It didn't roll back fully but rather sticks out just a bit. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/895509af0f7a1053051da3bbde4ae376.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/7592f7a3b45f905b755b5bf68d20e4bd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/25b08c9477a7186895646af9115fdb1d.jpg

And here's the Winchester bullet. Again just for comparison. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180211/26f7b1ecde22e037d363b06ba7e8f6c6.jpg

[Leroy Suggs]

I am now carrying this HST load. It has less recoil than RA38B and shoots poa/poi in both my J's.
Makes wadcutter like holes in paper too.:cool:

[Mike C]

Are they selling in 50 round boxes yet or just the 20 round ones?

[Tokarev]

Are they selling in 50 round boxes yet or just the 20 round ones?

20 as far as I know. I don't see anything else listed on the Federal website.

[DocGKR]

Well done!

Next time, try using 4 layer denim rather than heavy clothing. It is a better engineering test to assess robust expansion.

Consider working up to 5 shots in BG, 5 shots in 4 LD, and perhaps eventually 5 shots against auto windshield glass--then you will have covered all the bases for assessing a defensive or duty load.

[Tokarev]

Well done!

Next time, try using 4 layer denim rather than heavy clothing. It is a better engineering test to assess robust expansion.

Consider working up to 5 shots in BG, 5 shots in 4 LD, and perhaps eventually 5 shots against auto windshield glass--then you will have covered all the bases for assessing a defensive or duty load.Thank you. A "well done" from you is greatly appreciated.

I've wondered about auto glass. It should be a fairly easy job to come up with a holding fixture. The hard part will be a cheap and repeatable source for the glass itself. Maybe Safelite has some scraps they will sell cheap or donate to science.

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[scjbash]

Thank you. A "well done" from you is greatly appreciated.

I've wondered about auto glass. It should be a fairly easy job to come up with a holding fixture. The hard part will be a cheap and repeatable source for the glass itself. Maybe Safelite has some scraps they will sell cheap or donate to science.

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I'd try a junkyard.

[Tokarev]

I'd try a junkyard.

Yes. That will probably work.

From what I've read online, the FBI glass test consists of a plate of auto glass that's leaned back at a 45-degree angle off vertical. It is also turned 15-degrees away from the shooter to similar the shape and curve of a vehicle windshield.

Ideally whatever I can get would be cut into small pieces that are flat enough so as not to corrupt the FBI standard and would be small enough to be easily transported.

[Tokarev]

Something else to consider, if and when I test through auto glass, is the order of the testing. If performance through glass is going to be part of the pass/fail standard then I should conduct it first. Failure against glass will save me the time and effort of "wasting" blocks in the easier tests.

[5pins]

What percentage of shootings involve auto glass as a barrier? I personally would rather have a bullet with better performance in a non-auto glass, then to sacrifice some of that better performance to pass the auto glass test.

[Wayne Dobbs]

So, some thoughts on auto glass. First, Tokarev, you can generally get cracked/broken take off windshields for little or nothing from the various auto glass vendors in your area.

Second, I think it's a bad idea to discount glass performance in daily carry ammo. It's a fact that if you have a load that works well in the 4 LD test and passes the auto glass test, you ALWAYS have a load that works well on the street. So, it's a great testing and performance metric to see if what you're carrying is a dependable load. The next factor is a bit of a "sickener". Since about 2015-2016, all of the side glass in cars is now a windshield type laminate glass! So, your standard carjacker at the side window of your personal ride (window up) scenario is now a threat that your popgun carry load better work on, too. That possibility eliminates all the .380 ammo and I'd think most of the .38 Special expanding ammo, too.

[BehindBlueI's]

What percentage of shootings involve auto glass as a barrier? I personally would rather have a bullet with better performance in a non-auto glass, then to sacrifice some of that better performance to pass the auto glass test.

Doc has said in the past that it also correlates to bone strikes. The most common intermediate barrier I see for non-LEOs is forearms. For that reason, I'd also be interested in auto glass performance.

[Hambo]

What percentage of shootings involve auto glass as a barrier? I personally would rather have a bullet with better performance in a non-auto glass, then to sacrifice some of that better performance to pass the auto glass test.

For cops, a fair number. Non-LE won't be shooting into cars, but might have to shoot out of theirs in certain carjacking scenarios.

[Tokarev]

For cops, a fair number. Non-LE won't be shooting into cars, but might have to shoot out of theirs in certain carjacking scenarios.I would have dismissed glass as a civilian concern a year ago. But what we've been seeing in Europe with vehicles turned into weapons of terror has me rethinking that.

All things being considered I'd rather carry a bullet that does well through hard barriers than one that doesn't although I also agree with 5 Pins. I'd generally be happy with a bullet that retains most of its mass and penetrates 12-18" but doesn't expand over one that expands but loses that critical measure of penetration.

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[DocGKR]

As usual, Wayne Dobbs and BehindBluel's have made well reasoned comments: Handgun bullets that perform acceptably in testing against 4 layers of denim and laminated automobile glass have typically done well in real world defensive shooting encounters, while projectiles that don't fare well in such testing have tended to demonstrate problems in duty/defensive use...

[BigT]

For cops, a fair number. Non-LE won't be shooting into cars, but might have to shoot out of theirs in certain carjacking scenarios.
I'm non LE and Ive shot into a car. It's not the most likely scenario but it can happen in a variety of likely scenarios.

[Tokarev]

...you can generally get cracked/broken take off windshields for little or nothing.. .

I just checked a Safelite shop that's close to my house. They do not sell or give out scrap gas.


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[5pins]

I would have dismissed glass as a civilian concern a year ago. But what we've been seeing in Europe with vehicles turned into weapons of terror has me rethinking that.

I have to admit that's crossed my mind also.

[Holmes375]

I just checked a Safelite shop that's close to my house. They do not sell or give out scrap gas.


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I'd try an independent glass shop if you can find one. They're a dying breed but they have far less corporate policy bullshit.

[Tokarev]

I got a cracked windshield free from a salvage yard. The crack is in one corner so it won't hurt anything.

The down side is the glass is curved so it will be difficult to get a consistent angle shot after shot or later on down the road when this one is no longer useful.



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[Tokarev]

Yikes. Trying to cut the cracked part off the windshield doesn't work very well. There's no way to lay the glass flat on my work table so it just cracks worse. Still I think I have a fairly workable piece that's not cracked in the center.

I will try to shoot tomorrow. Maybe Monday at the latest.

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[5pins]

$15.95 @SGammo. Best price I have seen.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/20-round-box-38-special-p-130-grain-hst-jhp-federal-hollow-point-ammo-p38hst1s

[Hambo]

Yikes. Trying to cut the cracked part off the windshield doesn't work very well. There's no way to lay the glass flat on my work table so it just cracks worse. Still I think I have a fairly workable piece that's not cracked in the center.

I will try to shoot tomorrow. Maybe Monday at the latest.

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Some FDs use a blade like a giant hacksaw to cut windshield glass and it works well while the windshield is in the car. I don't know how many TPI the blade has or if it would work with a windshield not in a frame, but we have some FFs on this forum that might be able to tell you.

[Tokarev]

I'll call an actual glass shop tomorrow and see what a piece of flat AS1 glass costs.

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[Tokarev]

I'll call an actual glass shop tomorrow and see what a piece of flat AS1 glass costs.

Six pieces of AS1 laminated safety glass cost me $80. These are flat plates that measure 12X16" in size. The plates are fairly pricey but I'm hoping this batch will last awhile. I'm hoping to get three or four shots per plate.

My plan now is to visit the local hardware store and buy some various pieces of 3/4" PVC to make a frame to set the glass on. My plan is to use a couple 45-degree elbows at the bottom and stick some arms in that extend up and support the glass. The glass and PVC contraption can be set on a table or on the ground in front of the block. Being made of PVC it should be light and easily carried. I won't glue anything together so it can be taken apart for transport and so parts can be replaced if damaged.

[NPV]

I'm new to this forum and just came across this post. Thank you Tokarev for doing this testing and posting it here. I've been carrying the .38 Spl HSTs since they came out but I've always been a bit skeptical. This reassures me that anything HST is GTG.

[peterb]

Some FDs use a blade like a giant hacksaw to cut windshield glass and it works well while the windshield is in the car. I don't know how many TPI the blade has or if it would work with a windshield not in a frame, but we have some FFs on this forum that might be able to tell you.

http://www.glasmaster.com/glas_main.html

Looks like a zero-offset blade for smoother cuts.

We often used a reciprocating saw (aka Sawzall) with a demolition blade for auto glass and sheet metal, but we were not concerned about clean cuts.

A grit-edge blade might be worth a try.

[Tokarev]

http://www.glasmaster.com/glas_main.html

Looks like a zero-offset blade for smoother cuts.

We often used a reciprocating saw (aka Sawzall) with a demolition blade for auto glass and sheet metal, but we were not concerned about clean cuts.

A grit-edge blade might be worth a try.Glas Master would be great if the salvage yard would let me cut windshields out to take home.



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[Hambo]

I shot some .38 HST today and it shoots to POA and makes pretty holes. Now I'm waiting for your glass tests.

[Tokarev]

I shot some .38 HST today and it shoots to POA and makes pretty holes. Now I'm waiting for your glass tests.

I'll try the load on glass but I'm not expecting impressive results. I don't think this load is really designed for that sort of thing.

[Tokarev]

Yikes! I wasn't expecting great things but I'd expected better than this.

Three bullets shot against a windshield and light clothing. I used my LCR for these, too. Penetration was only 1 or 2 inches. Each recovered jacket only weighs about 38 grains. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180225/2a2c9cfccdcc0f260cae660706c37758.jpg

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[leathermaneod]

Now I’m really interested in seeing some of the other “proven” .38 rounds against glass....


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[Tokarev]

Now I’m really interested in seeing some of the other “proven” .38 rounds against glass....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProI'm hoping someone else can try the HST in glass. I'm curious to see other results.

Here's a core I found about ten inches in the block. It was hidden away in the wound channel from a 300BLK 190gr Sub-X. It weighs 75 grains. I seriously doubt it would have gone far had it not made its way into an existing track.

I don't know what happened to the other two cores. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180225/866390b3efd5402b3d3f750280bd3453.jpg

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[BehindBlueI's]

I don't know what happened to the other two cores.

Based on some "sand blasted" car interiors I've seen, probably fragmented and had minimal penetration.

This is why I want bonded bullets, or something similar.

[Tokarev]

This is why I want bonded bullets, or something similar.

I need to get a box of Gold Dot.


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[BehindBlueI's]

I need to get a box of Gold Dot.


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PDX-1 is bonded as well.

[Tokarev]

PDX-1 is bonded as well.Any preference for gel and glass test?

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[BehindBlueI's]

Any preference for gel and glass test?

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I'd honestly be interested in how they compare. I've carried both, but only the PDX-1 "for realsies" and that was vs a pitbull. It penetrated well and bone (rib) didn't stop it.

Thanks for the info, and for taking the time to do it right.

[Tokarev]

Thanks for taking the time to do it right.

I don't know how right my testing is. It is really anecdotal evidence. But it is interesting none the less.


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[leathermaneod]

If you taking suggestions, I’d be interested in the Ranger ammo that is on docs list. I forget the number, but I’m sure someone here knows it lol


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[BehindBlueI's]

I don't know how right my testing is. It is really anecdotal evidence. But it is interesting none the less.


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You got a "well done" from DocGKR. I think that's pretty validating.

[Tokarev]

You got a "well done" from DocGKR. I think that's pretty validating.I appreciate his feedback.

To do it right, as you know, I should be shooting 5 rounds through each barrier. Plus I haven't tried any in gel alone.

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[Tokarev]

What about something like Double Tap 38 +P loaded with Barnes Bullets or CorBon DPX? Maybe I'll get a box of one or the other and see what happens.

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[hufnagel]

this thread is relevant to my interests.
as a semi-separate thought, has anyone thought of doing some kind of testing of windshield/auto glass alone to see what modern glass can stop? and how that information relates to the differences between police and civilian needs?

[LOBO]

What about something like Double Tap 38 +P loaded with Barnes Bullets or CorBon DPX? Maybe I'll get a box of one or the other and see what happens.

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The Corbon DPX 110 gr load is my preferred carry load in my 442, as well as in any .38 spl revolver. I would love to see them tested in clothed gel as well as glass.

Easiest place to get them is from the source, https://shopcorbon.com/CORBON/DPX/DPX-Handgun/DPX38110-20

[Tokarev]

I have a box of the CorBon 38 Special ordered through Bud's Guns. I also ordered a box of the 9mm 115gr.

Once the stuff arrives and I can shoot it I'll start some new threads.

[LOBO]

I have a box of the CorBon 38 Special ordered through Bud's Guns. I also ordered a box of the 9mm 115gr.

Once the stuff arrives and I can shoot it I'll start some new threads.

Sounds good. Glad to know of another place that carries the Corbon .38 spl DPX, and at a better price too.

[Tokarev]

In my best Paul Harvey voice:

"Standby for news!"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180301/88dcc8f34ba2351a82bfd21e530ca290.jpg

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[LOBO]

In my best Paul Harvey voice:

"Standby for news!"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180301/88dcc8f34ba2351a82bfd21e530ca290.jpg

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Looking forward to it!!

As a side note, that is a different bullet profile that what I carry. I ordered some from Midway USA a while back that are just like yours. However, the older ones that I am carrying now (pictured below) have more of a truncated bullet profile. I sent Corbon an email today asking them if there is a difference in performance between the two bullet profiles, and if I ordered through them what bullet profile would I get as the picture on their website shows a bullet like what I have pictured.


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[Tokarev]

I'm not certain but I think the older Cor Bon ammo was loaded with Barnes bullets. Now they're loaded with something propriety to Cor Bon.

Update to add this link:

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/11/corbon-dpx-ammunition/#axzz58dyP2C9k

[LOBO]

I did not know that, thanks.

[ST911]

I'm not certain but I think the older Cor Bon ammo was loaded with Barnes bullets. Now they're loaded with something propriety to Cor Bon.

True, for several years.

[DocGKR]

Folks would best be served with .38 sp standard pressure loads using the Barnes all copper JHP's, not some substitute projectile....

[Paul Blackburn]

Folks would best be served with .38 sp standard pressure loads using the Barnes all copper JHP's, not some substitute projectile....

Does such a round exist?

[Pit]

Does such a round exist?

I know Buffalo Bore has offered this.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=107

[Tokarev]

I know Buffalo Bore has offered this.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=107That's the only source I've found for a standard pressure 38 using the Barnes bullet. Double Tap has a +P load listed but that's showing a 110gr at something like 1150fps from a snubby.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Barnes with Remington in bankruptcy. Will the brand be sold off?

Anyway here's what Barnes is showing for load data with the 110gr TAC XP:

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[GAP]

Yikes! I wasn't expecting great things but I'd expected better than this.

Three bullets shot against a windshield and light clothing. I used my LCR for these, too. Penetration was only 1 or 2 inches. Each recovered jacket only weighs about 38 grains.


Thank you for conducting these tests; I am not sure if you have the resources or not, but I’d be really curious to see a full wadcutter (Federal Gold Match) through glass. I previously carried the bonded rangers, but I’m gravitating to lower recoil loads in both 9mm and .38.

[Tokarev]

Looking forward to it!!


Here you go:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?t=30133

To summarize, the load shows pretty consistent penetration although it falls short of the 12" minimum.

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[Paul Blackburn]

For a j frame, I'm only interested in standard pressure loads.

[LOBO]

Here you go:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?t=30133

To summarize, the load shows pretty consistent penetration although it falls short of the 12" minimum.

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Thank you sir!

[Tokarev]

Here's TFB's test of the 130gr HST.

https://youtu.be/UZsber37rKU

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[5pins]

Lucky Gunner's test.


https://youtu.be/kXxbVP1mwGk

[CSW]

I got a cracked windshield free from a salvage yard. The crack is in one corner so it won't hurt anything.

The down side is the glass is curved so it will be difficult to get a consistent angle shot after shot or later on down the road when this one is no longer useful.



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Yikes. Trying to cut the cracked part off the windshield doesn't work very well. There's no way to lay the glass flat on my work table so it just cracks worse. Still I think I have a fairly workable piece that's not cracked in the center.

I will try to shoot tomorrow. Maybe Monday at the latest.

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Know any firefighters? Likely they would have access to a glass cutting saw. perhaps you could 'borrow it' for a half hour.:cool:

https://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.aspx/productId/1032/selectedVariationId/3353/Glas-Master-Rescue-Hand-Tool?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=google&utm_content=3353&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAjwwJrbBRAoEiwAGA1B_QTL2p9k9w9wCp8srfDE rIDHH1lP0H7Cj9_2LGykecRSs4ri_xDZChoCmWUQAvD_BwE

Just about every rescue co has one.

[the Schwartz]

That's the only source I've found for a standard pressure 38 using the Barnes bullet. Double Tap has a +P load listed but that's showing a 110gr at something like 1150fps from a snubby.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Barnes with Remington in bankruptcy. Will the brand be sold off?

Anyway here's what Barnes is showing for load data with the 110gr TAC XP:

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Looks like load data for Barnes TAC-XP bullets from third-party sources is fairly scarce.


The only other source of loading data for standard pressure .38 Special Barnes TAC-XP reloads that I could locate was this:


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[Buckeye63]

The 38Spl 130gr HST is my choice for PD carry in my Charter Alumium frame revolvers ... this load seems rather mild VS other 38spl +P ammo I have tried out of these lightweight revolvers ..