New MRDS: Holosun 507C

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Anyone else interested in this sight?
-50,000 hour battery life with solar backup
-32MOA circle reticle with 2 MOA dot
-manually adjustable brightness
-RMR mount compatible

I've been impressed with their aimpoint clones, but a pistol MRDS is a whole new ball game. Really hope this proves to be durable, the battery life and reticle are unheard of for MRDS.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/holosun-micro-red-dot-system-red-dot-sight.html

[BigT]

Shield do a similar reticle in the SMS

[TAZ]

Sounds interesting. Saw it on a Shot Show review and was wondering when it would hit. I’m not certain, but I think Holosun make the Primary Arms RDS that seem ok. At the right price point it could be fun to play with.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Does its footprint, bolt holes, etc match any of the existing ones?

[JodyH]

Does its footprint, bolt holes, etc match any of the existing ones?

RMR footprint supposedly.

[Erick Gelhaus]

RMR footprint supposedly.

Thank you.

[Sigfan26]

Does its footprint, bolt holes, etc match any of the existing ones?


RMR footprint supposedly.

Just confirmed with them. It is an RMR footprint. Should be getting one in about 3 weeks to evaluate for use on a pistol.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Shield do a similar reticle in the SMS

But not on their RMS, which is the model built to be mounted on a reciprocating slide. (Do correct me if I have that wrong)

I was really interested in the shield but the lack of manual brightness controls and the flimsy/uncovered battery tray ended my interest.

[HCM]

So with RMRs selling for $349, what does this bring to the table at $299 other than a circle dot reticle ?

[gtae07]

So with RMRs selling for $349, what does this bring to the table at $299 other than a circle dot reticle ?
Maybe that's MSRP and they'll come down once they've been on the market a bit?

I'll say I've been happy with my circle-dot Holosun on my rifle, but I'm not an operator of any kind and it's the only RDS I have any significant experience with. It's worked fine for a couple of 3-gun matches. Just picked up their low-end model (Truglo) for the wife's birthday rifle; it's just a plinker/range toy and figured if she wants something different after a while it can go on one of the .22s.

[JodyH]

So with RMRs selling for $349, what does this bring to the table at $299 other than a circle dot reticle ?
If it's like my Holosun 503CU no battery required at all to work if it's daylight.
Very reliable motion detection on/off.
Really well implemented auto-adjust dim/bright reticle.

Honestly, I've been super impressed with my 503CU.
I mounted it on my Benelli M4 as a torture test and it's been rock solid.

[Mike C]

More competition is good for this market I think. The solar power option is awesome. If it is on the RMR foot print that kicks butt as lots of mounts will already work. It would be great if there was some standardization for mounting on this sized red dot.

Does anyone know if the emitter is exposed? I couldn’t find any info about that.

[Sigfan26]

So with RMRs selling for $349, what does this bring to the table at $299 other than a circle dot reticle ?

They will only be at that price as long as the Type 1 RMR is available.

[Sigfan26]

What I am most looking forward to trying is the 32MOA circle only reticle. I think this may be an excellent solution for shooters who fight with "over aiming". Rather than putting the dot on the target, you are putting the target in the hole. For speed, this could be awesome... Or it could suck. We will find out soon!

[HCM]

They will only be at that price as long as the Type 1 RMR is available.

We may see Type 1s continue to be available as a cheaper option like the various gens of Aimpoints.

With DP Pro's selling for $399 now there seems to have been a flattening of prices in the MRDS market.

[Sigfan26]

We may see Type 1s continue to be available as a cheaper option like the various gens of Aimpoints.

With DP Pro's selling for $399 now there seems to have been a flattening of prices in the MRDS market.

Possibly. I can tell you that the major distributors do not list the Type 1 RMR anymore. I think Cabella's is about the only place that gets them.

[BigT]

But not on their RMS, which is the model built to be mounted on a reciprocating slide. (Do correct me if I have that wrong)

I was really interested in the shield but the lack of manual brightness controls and the flimsy/uncovered battery tray ended my interest.


My understanding from the local agent is that their is no difference in electronic durability between variants. SMS has a polymer body and doesn't have the batter shelf.


The auto brightness on mine gave me less issues with having brightness correct than my DPP


My big issue with it was scratching the lens up badly.

[Tod-13]

Just confirmed with them. It is an RMR footprint. Should be getting one in about 3 weeks to evaluate for use on a pistol.

Did you get one with the red or green LED? I'm interested in green, as red is bad for my wife with light sensitivity migraines.

[Sigfan26]

Did you get one with the red or green LED? I'm interested in green, as red is bad for my wife with light sensitivity migraines.

I got the red since those are the first ones releasing.

[GJM]

FIFY


With DP Pro's selling for $339 now there seems to have been a flattening of prices in the MRDS market.

[Tod-13]

I got the red since those are the first ones releasing.

Thanks!

[TicTacticalTimmy]

So with RMRs selling for $349, what does this bring to the table at $299 other than a circle dot reticle ?

Searching Wikiarms the cheapest I can find a type 2 adjustable RMR is $470. Assuming you meant the Type 1 RMR it brings:

Potentially better durability (no exposed battery tray/loosening battery contacts issue)

Potentially no blue tint

5 times the battery life plus solar backup

We won't know if any of the above turn out to be true until a bunch of people have a bunch of rounds downrange with a Holosun on their slide, but certainly the potential is there unlike any other dot on the market. Also I feel the option for a big reticle could be a big advantage with a handgun where initially finding the reticle is the biggest hurdle for most shooters.

[HCM]

Searching Wikiarms the cheapest I can find a type 2 adjustable RMR is $470. Assuming you meant the Type 1 RMR it brings:

Potentially better durability (no exposed battery tray/loosening battery contacts issue)

Potentially no blue tint

5 times the battery life plus solar backup

We won't know if any of the above turn out to be true until a bunch of people have a bunch of rounds downrange with a Holosun on their slide, but certainly the potential is there unlike any other dot on the market. Also I feel the option for a big reticle could be a big advantage with a handgun where initially finding the reticle is the biggest hurdle for most shooters.

The DPP, currently available at $339 addresses all of these but the battery life.

[Sigfan26]

We may see Type 1s continue to be available as a cheaper option like the various gens of Aimpoints.

With DP Pro's selling for $399 now there seems to have been a flattening of prices in the MRDS market.


FIFY


The DPP, currently available at $339 addresses all of these but the battery life.

The battery life is a huge selling point. Also, there are tons of companies making aftermarket slides for the RMR (which this optic shares the footprint with) while very few make slides for the DPP. Also, if you want BUIS, this shouldn't need the ridiculously tall ones that the DPP requires (whether on a direct milled slide, or a MOS)

[HCM]

The battery life is a huge selling point. Also, there are tons of companies making aftermarket slides for the RMR (which this optic shares the footprint with) while very few make slides for the DPP. Also, if you want BUIS, this shouldn't need the ridiculously tall ones that the DPP requires (whether on a direct milled slide, or a MOS)

Given the various branches of the U.S. Military are in the process of buying between 400,000 and 500,000 M17's and M18's which have the DPP footprint, it is likely to become the dominant MRDS footprint.

Re: Battery life, I'll believe it when I see it. I've also seen issues peculiar to the solar Holosuns where the depend on the solar and dim as soon as the solar panel is blocked.

[JodyH]

Given the various branches of the U.S. Military are in the process of buying between 400,000 and 500,000 M17's and M18's which have the DPP footprint, it is likely to become the dominant MRDS footprint.

Re: Battery life, I'll believe it when I see it. I've also seen issues peculiar to the solar Holosuns where the depend on the solar and dim as soon as the solar panel is blocked.
That's sad, considering the DPP is shit IMO.

The solar panel is what the Holosun uses to auto-adjust the reticle brightness (similar to how a fiber optic ACOG works).
You can completely cover the solar panel and it will still work but you have to manually adjust the brightness with the buttons.
At least that's how my 503CU works.

[Sigfan26]

Given the various branches of the U.S. Military are in the process of buying between 400,000 and 500,000 M17's and M18's which have the DPP footprint, it is likely to become the dominant MRDS footprint.

Re: Battery life, I'll believe it when I see it. I've also seen issues peculiar to the solar Holosuns where the depend on the solar and dim as soon as the solar panel is blocked.

Who knows anymore. I plan running the holosun on a spare RMR slide. It could be junk, it could be awesome. I doubt you will see the DPP footprint take over in the civilian market because (to mill a Glock for it) you can not retain the rear sight dovetail without cutting into the firing pin safety channel. The only option for those that want BUIS are the rear sight in front of the optic, or Milling off the rear dovetail and using a .415” or taller front sight with the Leupold DPP rear sight. It just isn’t a good footprint for a handgun.


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[HCM]

That's sad, considering the DPP is shit IMO.

The solar panel is what the Holosun uses to auto-adjust the reticle brightness (similar to how a fiber optic ACOG works).
You can completely cover the solar panel and it will still work but you have to manually adjust the brightness with the buttons.
At least that's how my 503CU works.

SIG has already stated they are making a Romeo optic with a DPP footprint, if a big DOD contract came up (and I think it will eventually) expect an RMR with a DPP footprint as well.

I have both DPP's and RMR's they each have their own issues.

For DOD purposes swapping batteries in an RMR would required a second echelon shop / 20 series armorer task since it requires a "wrench" (hex) and involves a Torque spec to reinstall. Pretty much anything you need a tool (wrench, screwdriver etc) for is verboten for soldiers or company level armorers. Many large LE Agencies are the same - screwdriver or hex wrench = FI or Armorer level task. On that basis, the DPP battery set up makes a lot of sense.

Re the solar auto adjust, I am not a fan of that at all. Takes it out of consideration for any serious use.

[JodyH]

Re the solar auto adjust, I am not a fan of that at all. Takes it out of consideration for any serious use.
You can set it to manual mode and adjust the brightness via the buttons and then the solar panel just functions as a backup power source if the battery dies.

[Dropkick]

I can't wait to hear more about these once people start using them. I've got a shotgun that it would be great on.

[gtae07]

I've never used a pistol-mounted optic before but I'm strongly considering getting my G17 milled and picking one of these up to try out.

[MVS]

I would be wiling to try one on my gamer gun. It looks like it has a much thicker rim around the housing than the DPP so that would be a negative from the quick acquisition standpoint, at least for me. That is one of the things I like better about my DPP than my RMR is the big open window.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMGIBJW8yEc

new review

[Sigfan26]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMGIBJW8yEc

new review

It is a very good optic. But, I wouldn’t say it’s in the same class as an RMR yet. I am in the process of durability testing currently.


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[TAZ]

This shows promise. I may pick one up when prices stabilize as a “toy” and beat it up a bit.

I truly wish the industry would standardize on a footprint. Personally I don’t give 2 shits about which one they choose, RMR, DPP or an entirely new one. Just get an industry standard interface like the picatinny rail and be done with it. Ditch the need for stupid adapter plates and such.


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[TicTacticalTimmy]

This shows promise. I may pick one up when prices stabilize as a “toy” and beat it up a bit.

I truly wish the industry would standardize on a footprint. Personally I don’t give 2 shits about which one they choose, RMR, DPP or an entirely new one. Just get an industry standard interface like the picatinny rail and be done with it. Ditch the need for stupid adapter plates and such.


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I feel the exact same way about front/rear sight cuts. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon :(

[JodyH]

I have a 507C coming to mount on my FN PS90 (moved the RMR that was on it over to my wife's PPQ Match for USPSA carry optics).
Should make for a good bedside setup.
Instant on, no battery worries, the PS90 is easy on optics so durability shouldn't be an issue.

[WobblyPossum]

I have a 507C coming to mount on my FN PS90 (moved the RMR that was on it over to my wife's PPQ Match for USPSA carry optics).
Should make for a good bedside setup.
Instant on, no battery worries, the PS90 is easy on optics so durability shouldn't be an issue.

Any plans to mount it onto a handgun at some point? I'd love to see a long term, high round count review of these as a pistol MRDS. I love the idea of the circle with center dot reticle. Here's what I'm thinking: One of the big issues with pistol red dots is that when your presentation isn't perfect, you have to take time to fish for the dot because without BUIS, you have no frame of reference for how you should move the gun to get a dot in your view. With the large circle around the dot, an imperfect presentation should still get you the edge of the circle in your field of view. That should quickly let you know how you need to move the gun to get your dot.

[tcba_joe]

I feel the exact same way about front/rear sight cuts. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon :(

That's why I went with ATOM slides on my Glocks. I don't trust the durability of most slide mounted pistol optics, and we're not "there" yet. I hedge my bets by future proofing (as much as is possible) by using ATOM mounts.

I have my feeling that the industry will settle on both the RMR and DPP as standards, but I can't imagine getting a slide milled for a Vortex, Doctor, or any other... "less tested" slide mounted RDS.

[GJM]

I plan to test one of these, on a high round count G5/34, once they come back in stock.

Believe they use the RMR adapter plate. Have not determined whether the intensity is auto or manually set (think it is manual), and whether there is a feature that puts the dot to sleep after a certain time (hope not, based on DP Pro experience). Saw a guy with another Holosun on a PCC have dot intensity issues at last weekend’s match, that went away when he disabled the solar setting.

[Sigfan26]

I plan to test one of these, on a high round count G5/34, once they come back in stock.

Believe they use the RMR adapter plate. Have not determined whether the intensity is auto or manually set (think it is manual), and whether there is a feature that puts the dot to sleep after a certain time (hope not, based on DP Pro experience). Saw a guy with another Holosun on a PCC have dot intensity issues at last weekend’s match, that went away when he disabled the solar setting.

They do use the RMR plate. You can actually set it up to do auto or manual and sleep mode or no sleep mode. The auto brightness is very lacking.

[03RN]

This is really interesting. I'm not very enthusiastic about holosun/PA optics. I've had several need replacing. I don't have any more. That being said I would be willing to try another one. The companies are easy to deal with.

The battery life and reticle are very impressive. The dot with a 32 moa circle is ideal for shotguns and might be cool with hand guns. At least with shotguns using flight control buck. I generally get 8" or less patterns at 25 yards. That's 32 moa. Perfect.

I'll try one eventually and if they start selling under $300 I might buy a bunch.

[GJM]

Are these in stock anywhere, and available for sale now?

[Nikuraba29]

Ordered one last night from opticsplanet. They have a 10% off coupon good til midnight tonight use "luck".

S/F

Nik

[GJM]

Says 12-22 days?

[That Guy]

Has anyone seen the specifications on this thing? Some Holosun sights have an operating temperature range that only goes down to -10°C. I'm wondering if it's the same with this one.

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[03RN]

Has anyone seen the specifications on this thing? Some Holosun sights have an operating temperature range that only goes down to -10°C. I'm wondering if it's the same with this one.

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That's no good. I do hunt in that type of cold

[GJM]

Has anyone seen the specifications on this thing? Some Holosun sights have an operating temperature range that only goes down to -10°C. I'm wondering if it's the same with this one.

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https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=61

Storage -40f, working -22F

[That Guy]

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=61

Storage -40f, working -22FGlad to see they got their site back up.

So for those of us who don't speak Ferengi, that would be -40°C / -30°C. Sounds much more reasonable.

Next stupid question: it's IPX8 rated but has an open frame. I guess they simply mean it won't break from being submerged, not that it can be used in those conditions. I wonder how well it would work in rainy conditions, if mounted to a long gun?

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[GJM]

12% off with discount code REDS12 until 3/25. Total shipped price: $263.99. :)

Enabler, I ordered one.

How do they mount to a Glock MOS — I believe it uses the RMR plate, but not sure about screws? Wonder if Ameriglo standard height suppressor sights will work with it.

[03RN]

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=61

Storage -40f, working -22F

Ugh, I could use 4. I think I'll hold off untill we get some more feedback.

Prit near ideal across the board IMO

[Sigfan26]

Enabler, I ordered one.

How do they mount to a Glock MOS — I believe it uses the RMR plate, but not sure about screws? Wonder if Ameriglo standard height suppressor sights will work with it.

They will just use the RMR plate. Not positive in screws. You will probably need .415" height sights for lower 1/3 cowitness.

[TAZ]

Glad to see they got their site back up.

So for those of us who don't speak Ferengi, that would be -40°C / -30°C. Sounds much more reasonable.

Next stupid question: it's IPX8 rated but has an open frame. I guess they simply mean it won't break from being submerged, not that it can be used in those conditions. I wonder how well it would work in rainy conditions, if mounted to a long gun?

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IPX8 would mean it’s capable of immersion beyond 1 meter for a specific time period. It’s up to customer/maker to decide what that the actual requirements is. For this unit it most likely means that the LED emitter will continue to function during and after immersion. Not that you can shoot to POA under water. It’s also not rated for solids penetration. Guessing that dust and debris can build somewhere and cause bad things.

[olgator]

FWIW: i ordered 1 on 3/17/18 from optic planet and it said 13-24 days till ship---Today i got a e-mail saying its now 5-7 weeks out. Either a real hot item or they have problems-hmmm

[gtae07]

Ordered mine in February and it came April 18th. I think their backorder system doesn't know what it's talking about.

Due to my wife being in the hospital I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but I got it mounted (Dueck backup sight mount) and lined up on a laser boresighter. Tentative range trip is Tuesday.

Initial impression is that the reticle is nice but auto brightness is too dim. Presentation to sight picture is slow and will take practice (as with any sight like this).

Once my wife is home (week of the 15th) I'm going to try it some more. I have a theory on something...

[olgator]

FWIW: got a e-mail yesterday that optic planet shipped my holosun 507 c due to arrive friday. ordered in march.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I was interested in the sight. Any usage reports recently?

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=49&products_id=35

Not that expensive.

[gtae07]

So far I like it. Have a few hundred rounds through it now and I have found that, so far, it has improved my accuracy under time pressure (winning me an informal competition at the range). It's also markedly improved my slow fire groups and helped my self-diagnosis.

I like the circle-dot reticle for fast shooting and closer targets. The auto-dim function is ok but not great. So far it has held zero and no malfuctions.

It's also been a big help for my wife--she had brain surgery in April and it kind of messed up part of her field of vision, and it made it harder for her to get a good sight picture with irons. Using the red dot her wide groups tightened up to a vertical string--she still needs work on her grip and recoil control but she improved as well. I am now plotting out how to get all of her guns rigged up with red dots, and may do the same with some of mine.

I did get an email yesterday saying something about a supposed recall due to some of them losing battery contact under sustained heavy recoil. I've emailed Holosun directly but have not gotten a response yet.

[Sigfan26]

So far I like it. Have a few hundred rounds through it now and I have found that, so far, it has improved my accuracy under time pressure (winning me an informal competition at the range). It's also markedly improved my slow fire groups and helped my self-diagnosis.

I like the circle-dot reticle for fast shooting and closer targets. The auto-dim function is ok but not great. So far it has held zero and no malfuctions.

It's also been a big help for my wife--she had brain surgery in April and it kind of messed up part of her field of vision, and it made it harder for her to get a good sight picture with irons. Using the red dot her wide groups tightened up to a vertical string--she still needs work on her grip and recoil control but she improved as well. I am now plotting out how to get all of her guns rigged up with red dots, and may do the same with some of mine.

I did get an email yesterday saying something about a supposed recall due to some of them losing battery contact under sustained heavy recoil. I've emailed Holosun directly but have not gotten a response yet.

This is correct. The notice was sent to the dealers.

[GJM]

This is correct. The notice was sent to the dealers.

Which is why we buy the Gen 1 at our own risk.

[gtae07]

Which is why we buy the Gen 1 at our own risk.

True. Still, given that I mainly picked it up to see if I liked the MRDS concept in general, and put it on my range toy/competition gun, I'm not too worried about it. They're stepping up and fixing things. I'll send it in (got the shipping label yesterday evening), and when it gets back I'll keep using it at the range.

I do like the concept and implementation, and if it holds up it may eventually earn its way onto the carry gun; we'll see. Right now I just need to get out to the range and practice more--wife's surgery had some serious complications (which we're past now; her last occupational therapy session is today) which means we haven't been able to do much shooting. The blue laser gun is better than nothing, but...

[GJM]

True. Still, given that I mainly picked it up to see if I liked the MRDS concept in general, and put it on my range toy/competition gun, I'm not too worried about it. They're stepping up and fixing things. I'll send it in (got the shipping label yesterday evening), and when it gets back I'll keep using it at the range.

I do like the concept and implementation, and if it holds up it may eventually earn its way onto the carry gun; we'll see. Right now I just need to get out to the range and practice more--wife's surgery had some serious complications (which we're past now; her last occupational therapy session is today) which means we haven't been able to do much shooting. The blue laser gun is better than nothing, but...

It was an observation not a criticism. I buy Gen 1 stuff all the time, and not infrequently it has bugs.

[critter]

We do not currently have the green available, but it will be available under the HS508 Elite model in the near future.


Definitely interested... I do wish green dots/reticles were more prevalent among the higher end options.

[gtae07]

It was an observation not a criticism. I buy Gen 1 stuff all the time, and not infrequently it has bugs.

No offense taken. ;) I buy Gen 1 stuff on occasion too.

[BigT]

Any updates on these?

[GJM]

Another competitor at match today had one. He is LE from Phoenix, squared away guy. Really likes it, for carry and gaming. Big window, long battery life, interesting reticle, and fits RMR base plate. I ordered one to try.

[Bart Carter]

... I ordered one to try.

Uh, did they know your reputation or did you use an alias? :p

[That Guy]

I ordered one to try.

Well now, this is about to get interesting. :)

[Sigfan26]

Another competitor at match today had one. He is LE from Phoenix, squared away guy. Really likes it, for carry and gaming. Big window, long battery life, interesting reticle, and fits RMR base plate. I ordered one to try.

I think you’ll like it. It’s not a bad optic. The 508T is going to beat the 507c in terms of durability, though.


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[GJM]

Uh, did they know your reputation or did you use an alias? :p

I bought it as “Bart Carter,” since nothing breaks for him!

[GJM]

PS, Phoenix LE guy said they have experienced lots of problems with the DP Pro motion sensor not waking the unit open.

[GJM]

I think you’ll like it. It’s not a bad optic. The 508T is going to beat the 507c in terms of durability, though.


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That guy mentioned that — tell us more about it.

[Sigfan26]

That guy mentioned that — tell us more about it.

Grade 9 Titanium housing, subdued logos, they will be shown at SHOT. Price point is $50 higher than the 507. Smashing the 507 against the 508t supposedly results in the destruction of the 507. We will see. There’s gonna be an RM06 on my pistol until something better comes out (and mirroring the footprint of the RMR is a golden pistol optic concept)


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[BigT]

I too picked up a 507C on friday to play with.

[patmac12]

Does anyone have a measurement from the bottom of the optic body to the top where the elevation adjustment is? Looking to order sights with the lowest cowitness possible and dont have my 507c in. Thanks.

[Wynn615]

Any one know where I can find screws that are compatible for the 507c with the atom mount without having to file down standard RMR screws?

Thank you.

[GJM]

We mounted a Holosun 507 on my wife’s G34, using the MOS RMR plate. My wife really liked it until the screws kept coming loose causing her zero to wander. After breaking more DP Pros, we found the new V3 mount from C&H Precision Weapons, and gave the Holosun another go.

http://www.chpws.com/product/trijicon-rmr-holosun-glock-mos-adapter-plate-v3

After a few practice sessions, the optic has remained secure, and my wife is liking it. She thinks it is better with a forward sun angle than either the RMR or DP Pro.

After breaking another Pro this afternoon, I decided to get one on a VP9. I have a direct milled RMR installation, pulled the RMR, and was delighted to find the Holosun fit right into the custom pocket cut by Primary Machine. Here it is.

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[wmu12071]

We mounted a Holosun 507 on my wife’s G34, using the MOS RMR plate. My wife really liked it until the screws kept coming loose causing her zero to wander. After breaking more DP Pros, we found the new V3 mount from C&H Precision Weapons, and gave the Holosun another go.

http://www.chpws.com/product/trijicon-rmr-holosun-glock-mos-adapter-plate-v3

After a few practice sessions, the optic has remained secure, and my wife is liking it. She thinks it is better with a forward sun angle than either the RMR or DP Pro.

After breaking another Pro this afternoon, I decided to get one on a VP9. I have a direct milled RMR installation, pulled the RMR, and was delighted to find the Holosun fit right into the custom pocket cut by Primary Machine. Here it is.

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I am pretty curious how this goes. I have heard good things about the 507.

[GJM]

I have used it in both the auto and manual modes, and both work as expected. My wife shot a Holosun on her Glock again today, and I got mine zeroed on the VP9. So far, holding zero and working. If they hold up, we plan to use them for at least practice, to keep rounds off the DP Pros.

I called Holosun today and they said the next two pistol optics are due in April or May and will continue to use the RMR footprint!

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&keyword=507

[BigT]

Im excited about the green dot variants of these. Really looks to wash out less than red.

Their new closed emitter pistol optic uses a picatinny style mounting style similar the acro. Looks like another solid option from them.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Im excited about the green dot variants of these. Really looks to wash out less than red.

Their new closed emitter pistol optic uses a picatinny style mounting style similar the acro. Looks like another solid option from them.

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=96

Thanks for pointing that out, I had never heard of this design before.
Now I really want to wait for the 509T but given how fast the 507C sells out I'm worried that waiting will mean I'll be shooting irons for the rest of 2019...

[Magsz]

What height sights are we using on these things.

G17.5 MOS with the RMR plate.

It seems like most BUIS's are designed for the RMR which has a lower profile housing. Im seeing a lot of .394 an .395 height rears.

[HCM]

You can set it to manual mode and adjust the brightness via the buttons and then the solar panel just functions as a backup power source if the battery dies.

Good to know. Messing with them in the store the dot dims, then disappears when I hold my hand over the solar panel.

How do you switch it to manual ?

[Sigfan26]

What height sights are we using on these things.

G17.5 MOS with the RMR plate.

It seems like most BUIS's are designed for the RMR which has a lower profile housing. Im seeing a lot of .394 an .395 height rears.

Missed MOS. Sights that cowitness with RMR cowitness well with the 507c


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[Sigfan26]

Good to know. Messing with them in the store the dot dims, then disappears when I hold my hand over the solar panel.

How do you switch it to manual ?

It’s a combination of holding the +/- buttons. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but it’s in the instructions and easy to do.


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[BigT]

Good to know. Messing with them in the store the dot dims, then disappears when I hold my hand over the solar panel.

How do you switch it to manual ?


Hold the front button in until it goes noticeably brighter.

[BigT]

Mines up to 1300 rounds so far, 1000 rounds last sunday. Holding up well so far.

Circle dot is far too busy for me. Running it dot only.

[Magsz]

500 round on my 507C mounted to a 17.5 MOS with Ameriglo suppressor height sights. Thanks to the above poster, the Ameriglo standard height MOS sights worked marvelously. Way, way, way better than the Dawsons that I had on there as those occluded too much of the sight picture.

Some observations.

Pro's:

1. For super fast hosing seven yards and in, the circle and dot is pretty darned cool. Literally, hosing with a threat based focus at 8 inch circles is easy as can be.
2. Reticle is super bright even in daylight
3. Red dots=cheating. Eliminating a focal plane is a damned treat. I ran a 4.5 second FAST with about two hundred rounds through the concept (ie a dot on my gun). Not bad.
4. Part of what makes number 3 a reality for the 507C is the nice viewing window and the crisp dot.
5. There is very little magnification on this dot versus the RMR which kills my eyes.
6. There is very little but tint on this dot versus the RMR which again, kills my eyes.
7. The class is clear and with minimal tint which makes looking through it in varied conditions, pretty awesome.
8. The front of the lens is inset and takes deliberate effort to smudge with finger prints. It will get smudged but it takes alot to really occlude the window with fingerprint oil.
9. Price. This thing is a steal. If the 407's with just the 2 MOA dot are built to the same standard then its an even better deal.
10. No issues running it in the rain. Even though its an open emitter the dot never fractured or ended up as a star burst.
11. Durability. I wouldn't really say that this is duty ready but for 99% of the people out there, this is going to be more than durable enough for the end user.

Cons:

1. The automatic brightness setting is awful. At night, if you point the gun anywhere near a light source the red dot goes buh bye. I havent tried this during the day so i cant comment. Thankfully, we can turn this off.
2. Bottom loaded battery. Its not really a huge issue considering zeroing the optic is easy and with the solar panel, battery life is going to be measured in YEARS.
3. Outside of hosing, that 32 moa circle is kinda...busy. I dont really see myself using this very much but holosun gives us the option of turning it off.
4. Brightness level adjuster buttons are really small. I wish they were a little bit bigger as they're really hard to hit with gloves on. Granted, i dont usually wear gloves so this is not a huge issue.

That's about it for now. This is my latest foray into red dots which I haven't played with much since 2013. 90% of my experience since then is second hand watching my buddies destroy trijicon RMR's, Deltapoints and Romeo's.

I am cautiously optimistic. For anyone looking to get into the red dot game there is no better option than the holosun, except maybe the Vortex but only because they will replace that until the end of time should it go down.

[cornstalker]

GJM
What happened with the HS507C that crapped out during dry practice? Did you send it in? If so, how was the service?

[GJM]

GJM
What happened with the HS507C that crapped out during dry practice? Did you send it in? If so, how was the service?

Returned to Amazon for credit!

[BigT]

My 507C hit 4500 rounds yesterday. 4000 of which have been attached to a G17.5 MOS.

Zero has remained constant. Was zeroed on fitting and it still shoots POA/POI. This lives on my practice gun. Recently I've had access to lots of ammo but very little time. So its had sessions of 1000 rounds in 3 hours or so and a good few plus minus one hour 500 round sessions.

So far its outlasted at least one of my DPP's and two Docters.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I have about 175 rounds through my 407c and the red dot looks messed up compared to my RMR 6.5 moa.

Two pictures below. One focusing on the slide and the other focusing on the brown plastic a few inches away from the end of the slides.

Can somebody with more red dot experience take a look and advise if the Holosun needs to be cleaned, or returned, battery needs replacing, etc ..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/d30140842c70ef39110d30f4bd5daf63.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/ad0b752ee37cd5c4f372edcd63261d49.jpg

[BK14]

Mirolynmonbro

Haven’t had that exact distortion, but similar on an rmr. I used a q-tip to clean out the emitter area which had some dirt and crap. Tried that yet?

[Mirolynmonbro]

Mirolynmonbro

Haven’t had that exact distortion, but similar on an rmr. I used a q-tip to clean out the emitter area which had some dirt and crap. Tried that yet?Good call. That cleaned it up. I didn't want to attempt that before asking in case that would some how make it worse
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/e29369f9688fb32052bc6cec178ec9d6.jpg

[BK14]

Haha definitely could have made it worse. I’m not very delicate with how I handle my stuff, so a Q-tip seemed good enough. Maybe there’s a best practice that’s better.

On the up side though, the thing this shows me is that despite there being crap on there, it still functions how it should. Sure makes me less concerned about the open emitter.....

[David S.]

How does the usable window height compare to the RMR?

The official window size dimensions indicate that they are the same height, but the above pic makes the Holosun look a bit taller.

I want something with an RMR footprint but with a bit taller window.

I too poor for an SRO.

[cornstalker]

How does the usable window height compare to the RMR?

The official window size dimensions indicate that they are the same height, but the above pic makes the Holosun look a bit taller.

I want something with an RMR footprint but with a bit taller window.

I too poor for an SRO.

The Holosun seems taller and more usable to me, compared to an RM06 Type 2. Not by a lot, but noticeable.

If you don't need the circle around the dot, you can pick up an HS407c on eBay from Optics Planet for $200 and try it out. They are listed for $230 or best offer. I just offered them $200 and they took it, twice.

[Up1911Fan]

The Holosun seems taller and more usable to me, compared to an RM06 Type 2. Not by a lot, but noticeable.

If you don't need the circle around the dot, you can pick up an HS407c on eBay from Optics Planet for $200 and try it out. They are listed for $230 or best offer. I just offered them $200 and they took it, twice.

What's the dot size on those?

[cornstalker]

What's the dot size on those?

Two MOA, which is the same as the HS507c without the circle. Smaller than I prefer but it is bright enough to make it bloom a little larger.

Edit: In fact, I just got an HS508T and it is 2 MOA also. I wish they offered a 5-6 MOA dot instead of a tiny dot with a circle. I have to admit that I do like the circle dot reticle quite a bit, but haven't got to try it on a handgun yet. It's on a Mossy 500 Mariner right now.

[David S.]

It's unlisted, but this guy in the SIGForum classifieds (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/6710050644) has the 507c for $225 shipped. I can't decide between the 407c, 507c or spending a bit extra for the 508T.

[cornstalker]

It's unlisted, but this guy in the SIGForum classifieds (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/6710050644) has the 507c for $225 shipped. I can't decide between the 407c, 507c or spending a bit extra for the 508T.

If the 507c is new, that sounds like a no-brainer to me. A cheap way to test them out. Holosun is a little bit of a crapshoot, might as well not spend more than you have to.

[mtnbkr]

Aside from not having the circle, what other differences are there between the HS507c and the HS407c? Does the latter fit in the RMR cut slides like the 507? The more I hear about the 507c, the more it rises in my list of potential RDS purchases. It seemed to be a favorite on the recent P&S Pistol RDS podcast. I'm not buying anything soon and will be holding off to see what Black Friday and Cyber Monday bring in terms of sales, but if the 407c has everything I need and is that much cheaper, even better. That said, I do like the idea of the circle/dot option. Astigmatism makes most red dots less than ideal for me, but non-dot options tend to work well (I had a cheap RDS that offered a crosshair option that was ideal for me).

Chris

[cornstalker]

Aside from not having the circle, what other differences are there between the HS507c and the HS407c?

I don't think that the HS407c has the auto-brightness feature. I don't like or want that anyway as it seems to do more harm than good to me. Both of mine are at NG Machining with my slides right now. Will dig up the manuals later and verify that. Footprint is the same.

[cornstalker]

Correction: per the manual, the HS407c does have "auto-intensity" mode.

[mtnbkr]

I don't think that the HS407c has the auto-brightness feature. I don't like or want that anyway as it seems to do more harm than good to me. Both of mine are at NG Machining with my slides right now. Will dig up the manuals later and verify that. Footprint is the same.

Thanks. It sounds like I need to decide if the circle is worth an extra $80.

Chris

[David S.]

Thanks. It sounds like I need to decide if the circle is worth an extra $80.

Chris

See my post # 102 above. I purchased an RMR from here earlier this year.

Im 99% sure the 507c is NIB.

[mtnbkr]

See my post # 102 above. I purchased an RMR from here earlier this year.

Im 99% sure the 507c is NIB.

Thanks, but I'm not in a position to buy right now. It'll probably be Nov or after Christmas.

Chris

[David S.]

Thanks, but I'm not in a position to buy right now. It'll probably be Nov or after Christmas.

Chris

He’s a small time dealer. I should have said his 507c’s are NIB.

[cornstalker]

I might have to get one for the shotgun and move the 508t to a handgun at that price.

[awp_101]

Glad to hear the auto-brightness can be turned off. I can't on the FF2 and I hate hate HATE it!

[breakingtime91]

How are these holding up

[GJM]

How are these holding up

Good. Holosun products seem to suffer a fair amount of broken in the box, or shortly after problems, and if they make it through that period, they run well. I don’t hear of failures with the 507 or 510, which is being run on Open pistols and PCCs.

[Magsz]

I have a 503R, three 403R's, and a 507.

The 507 is sitting on a G17 MOS with 15k rounds through it.

The 403's are all on AR15's in scalar works mounts except for one that lives on my PSA AKV which has 3500 rounds on it. No clue what the round counts are on the 403's but its a lot.

503R is in a scalar works mount on an AR with 5k rounds through it.

I have yet to have an issue with any of these optics. I am absolutely in love with the 507 as it has been extremely reliable and has surpassed my expectations.

I have several buddies that apparently had issues out of the box with their 507's but holosun was quick to address the issue and rectify the problems.