Sig P365 - Single Stack 9mm w/10+1 and 12+1

[BillSWPA]

I’m using a JM Custom Kydex for several different pistols, all with a 15 degree cant. I’ve been using the IWB #3 for about 11-12 years. I carry over my kidney at about 3:30ish. For my Glocks (19 & 43x) this works well. For M&P’s (prior to retirement, when I was issued one) I’d almost want to try a 20 degree cant.

I have a JMAK #3 with a 15 degree cant built for a P365x that I use with a P365. The extra length of the holster body helps to stabilize things a bit.

I bought a M&P Shield Plus a while ago, so I ordered a JMAK IWB #3 made with an optic cut. Ordered an optic cut #3 for a Glock 19 MOS also. Both of these optic cut #3 holsters ride about an inch higher out of my pants than the non-optic cut versions. Both of these holsters were made with a 15 degree cant. So from my personal experience even the 15degree cant holsters have a higher ride height. In the summer with a T-Shirt, this caused printing issues from the Glock 19. I emailed JM Custom and their response was that the additional ride height was necessary for the optic. This is unfortunate as I really like the JMAK IWB #3. But as my aging eyes force me to put optics on pistols, I’ll have to look elsewhere due to the increased ride height and associated printing issues.

The his is really helpful - thank you.

Two big reasons for my preference for Tony’s holsters are the wide selection of cant angles and the fact that they generally sit as low as possible without compromising a firing grip. As you point out, raising the holster increases printing when bending at the waist. It appears that I will have to select a pistol which will work with a 10 degree cant angle it/when I transition to an optic.


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[Up1911Fan]

A quick heads up followed by a question.

I know a couple other people were looking for XL 10 round mags, earlier today Osage County Guns had them in stock.

Has anyone used the Armory Craft semi curved trigger? I don't mind the flat trigger in my Macro, but I'm going to swap it to a curved for consistency. The AC trigger is pretty pricey compared to the stock trigger, assuming it's not worth it, just curious if anyone has used one?

[D-der]

I had my first failure of any kind with a 365 yesterday,
the spent case was in the chamber and fresh round
(Blazer B) fed behind it, I dropped the mag, tilted the
gun rearward and it was cleared.
This XL is my practice gun and has 8500+/- round's,
a ton of dry fire and is certainly in need of a cleaning.
So far, I'm more than pleased with my 365's track record's.

[GAP]

The P365XL replaced my j-frame.. sounds weird, right? I personally cannot stand pocket carry so why limit myself. For the majority of my work week, I need to look professional and wear fitted attire; this is where I am forced to choose a thinner option than my G26.

Since I am already carrying the j-frame appendix, I figured a slimline pistol may work even better for this role. While this is not the first time I’ve shot a P365XL, this is the first time I’ve put several hundred rounds through one. After my initial zero (the few shots high of the red center), I pushed the target to 20 yards and literally shot through the center hole without much effort. I certainly would not be that effective with a little .38.

I spent the rest of my time transitioning the dot across the four small red targets and concentrating on target focusing with a consistent “flash” of the dot on my target. I’m not ready to slice and dice my Glock slides (yet) but so far, so good..

GJM (using a 407k.. EPS Carry looks interesting)
blues (sorry.. starting to dig the dots) :eek:

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[blues]

GAP

No apology necessary. Now or ever. You know what works for you...and that's all that counts.

[Leroy Suggs]

GAP A G43x replaced my J frames.
And i can carry it in my pocket of the pants i wear if i want to.

[JAD]

The P365XL replaced my j-frame.. sounds weird, right?

same exact same.

however, then my CCO replaced my p365xl. Then a P30 is about to replace the CCO.

I’m concerned about where this is leading.

[feudist]

Have reports of the reliability problems of the .380 version been fixed?

[GJM]

The P365XL replaced my j-frame.. sounds weird, right? I personally cannot stand pocket carry so why limit myself. For the majority of my work week, I need to look professional and wear fitted attire; this is where I am forced to choose a thinner option than my G26.

Since I am already carrying the j-frame appendix, I figured a slimline pistol may work even better for this role. While this is not the first time I’ve shot a P365XL, this is the first time I’ve put several hundred rounds through one. After my initial zero (the few shots high of the red center), I pushed the target to 20 yards and literally shot through the center hole without much effort. I certainly would not be that effective with a little .38.

I spent the rest of my time transitioning the dot across the four small red targets and concentrating on target focusing with a consistent “flash” of the dot on my target. I’m not ready to slice and dice my Glock slides (yet) but so far, so good..

GJM (using a 407k.. EPS Carry looks interesting)
blues (sorry.. starting to dig the dots) :eek:

98900

Who said you can't teach a young dog new tricks.

[GAP]

So far, so good… 1,000 rounds through my first P365XL without a single problem.

Quick question regarding the carry magazine.. with broken in mags are you guys carrying 12+1 or just going with 11 in the mag to keep a little “play?” I download AR mags and G19 reloads, but I wasn’t sure what the SOP was for the 365.

GJM

[lwt16]

I’m full mags plus the chambered round. The 17 round mags had to sit a few days fully loaded before test firing. No issues seen during live fire.

[D-der]

I always load new mag's and let them sit a while,
My carry mags are always full +1 including the
maguts mag's I use for carry in my XL, never a problem.

[GJM]

So far, so good… 1,000 rounds through my first P365XL without a single problem.

Quick question regarding the carry magazine.. with broken in mags are you guys carrying 12+1 or just going with 11 in the mag to keep a little “play?” I download AR mags and G19 reloads, but I wasn’t sure what the SOP was for the 365.

GJM

I download one on all my 365 family mags.

[WobblyPossum]

So far, so good… 1,000 rounds through my first P365XL without a single problem.

Quick question regarding the carry magazine.. with broken in mags are you guys carrying 12+1 or just going with 11 in the mag to keep a little “play?” I download AR mags and G19 reloads, but I wasn’t sure what the SOP was for the 365.

GJM

My agency requires all magazines to be fully loaded to capacity. I haven’t heard of any issues.

[BillSWPA]

I have had no problems fully loading 10 round and 12 round magazines.

[GJM]

A complaint with HK magazines, historically, has been that they hold less rounds than comparably sized magazines from other manufacturers. There was a reason HK did that.

[GJM]

Funny I just saw this today -- Hwansik and Ben, starting at 3:08 discussing malfunctions with PDP magazines loaded to their listed capacity of 18 rounds.


https://youtu.be/XE0HMLgAmcU

[RJ]

So far, so good… 1,000 rounds through my first P365XL without a single problem.

Quick question regarding the carry magazine.. with broken in mags are you guys carrying 12+1 or just going with 11 in the mag to keep a little “play?” I download AR mags and G19 reloads, but I wasn’t sure what the SOP was for the 365.

GJM

Loaded N+1 for carry, all the time. No issues with 10, 12, 15 or 17 rounders over 3 P365 pistols since 2020, guesstimating 2,000 rounds total.

[GJM]

I see the loading the magazines to capacity issue as being risk management.

On one hand, you may need the last cartridge.

On the other hand, we know downloading one round will make it easier to seat the magazine and press check the pistol. Depending upon the magazine design, and condition of the spring, downloading may also make the pistol more reliable. As an Open and CO shooter, I get that completely filling the mag increases pressure against the bottom of the slide, and can cause a stoppage depending on your load and grip.

My standard practice is to download one cartridge, but I also take into consideration the magazine design. With HK magazines, I don't download, as they don't jam every possible round in. On the 365 mags, that are hard to load to capacity when new, I download one.

[GAP]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)

[Up1911Fan]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)

I'm always +1 with a P365 series gun.

[GJM]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)

Hey, wife and Darryl Bolke also download 1. :p

[Navin Johnson]

Other than a 1911 (and I think I did on reloads) can’t think of a pistol (for serious use) that I didn’t download (never owned a HK)

G5 19 mags 1, all previous 19 mags 2. G26 1 on all. SW M&P 2.0 1

365 1, 10 round ban mags still working on. Shield is VERY difficult to get full mag in. Seems like the 43x was down 1 for me.

If a mag change ever was really necessary I doubt it will be done under ideal conditions so if I struggle to put it in under ideal conditions……well duh. SHO?

[YVK]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)

I dont use the XL grip, just the regular p365, and I have to download. My first outing with this gun is the only one when I had stoppages, until I realized that mags were overstuffed with 10.

[fatdog]

A complaint with HK magazines, historically, has been that they hold less rounds than comparably sized magazines from other manufacturers. There was a reason HK did that.

Until a few years ago when they re-engineered the P30/VP9 mags to 17 rounds and starting selling kits to fix the old ones. I am not on board with -1 for most of my platforms. The only instance in the last 40 years where I considered it because of problems is the 1911 and the 8 round magazines, where for many magazine designs the problem is certain.

[GAP]

I dont use the XL grip, just the regular p365, and I have to download. My first outing with this gun is the only one when I had stoppages, until I realized that mags were overstuffed with 10.

I’m curious if that would still happen now that your magazines are broken in.

[JCN]

12+1 here but would consider running a 14 round reload.

With hot self defense ammo, never had an issue with a fully loaded mag not having the power to strip subsequent rounds.

But reloading a second mag that’s not fully stuffed would make reasonable sense. Less need for a tap rack.

[YVK]

I’m curious if that would still happen now that your magazines are broken in.

I presume that depends on whether I use my range mags that are getting most of the mileage, or carry mags that are kept relatively fresh.
Regardless, I am keeping them downloaded. I've a reasonable experience of ruining USPSA stages by trying to use overstuffed mags. Handling 365 with a full ten rounder in gives me the same feedback as 23 rounds in a CZ mag. I don't feel like the risk is worth the squeeze.

[Jeff S.]

I’ve never had a failure with my P365XL or P320 compact, including with fully loaded mags, but I download (-1) the mag in the gun and the spares with both pistols because…

Safely at the range, I cannot feel a difference racking the slide or shooting with -2 or -1 in the mag, but I can feel a big difference racking the slide with a topped off magazine*. Also, both pistols have very consistent ejection patterns, and the P365XL is consistent regardless of topping off the magazine; however, my P320 ejects a bit weakly with a topped off magazine.

*When I focus on the slide with a topped off magazine, my P365XL feels about the same, but the P320’s slide feels sluggish. So I -1 for peace of mind and consistency (and with my P320 it’s arguably more of a necessity).

[GAP]

I presume that depends on whether I use my range mags that are getting most of the mileage, or carry mags that are kept relatively fresh.
Regardless, I am keeping them downloaded. I've a reasonable experience of ruining USPSA stages by trying to use overstuffed mags. Handling 365 with a full ten rounder in gives me the same feedback as 23 rounds in a CZ mag. I don't feel like the risk is worth the squeeze.

Fair point - I’m 1,000 rounds in without any problems, maybe I’ll stick to the working recipe.

[GJM]

Fair point - I’m 1,000 rounds in without any problems, maybe I’ll stick to the working recipe.

I have always valued reliability over capacity, so for me it is an easy choice. Then again, I also carry a spare magazine.

[frozentundra]

A complaint with HK magazines, historically, has been that they hold less rounds than comparably sized magazines from other manufacturers. There was a reason HK did that.

HK just announced that their 9mm magazines for all VP9 and P30 pistols will now have +2 capacity. It's about 3:50 in the linked video. I'll try to embed the video at the appropriate time, but I'll probably screw it up.

https://youtu.be/Z8K3wI9gKRg?t=228


https://youtu.be/Z8K3wI9gKRg?t=228


Edit to add: GJM, FN just dropped a new optic ready 10mm. I'm looking forward to your range reports. :p

[frozentundra]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)

I also down-load pistol mags because I'm paranoid. Never had a failure with 12+1 in the XL on the range- I just do this with all my pistols.

[JAD]

I’ve had no functional issues with my 365 or xl, but download by 1 to eliminate having to drive the mag in repeatedly on closed slide reloads.

[G19Fan]

No functional issues with a fully loaded mag, but Indl by one.

Easier time for the Mrs and old glock habit

[Norville]

So everyone runs it 12+1, except GJM? ;)


12+1 here but would consider running a 14 round reload.

With hot self defense ammo, never had an issue with a fully loaded mag not having the power to strip subsequent rounds.

But reloading a second mag that’s not fully stuffed would make reasonable sense. Less need for a tap rack.


That’s me - 10+1 or 12+1, but 14 rounds in a 15 for the reload.

[CarloMNL]

Picked up mine (Micro, MS version) a few days ago. Was able to do some dry work with it today. I noticed that the pistol came really wet. Not sure if this is how it ships from SIG or if it's something that the local distributor does. I took it apart and wiped off all the old lube (a heavy oil with a reddish brown color). Even the striker and striker channel were drenched. I saw white grease within the FCU and I left that alone for now.

Date of Manufacture shows May 2022. Came with 2 Italian mags which are glossy versus the US spares that I bought. The tritium inserts are intact, though a little dim versus the Tru Glos I have on my Glocks. Trigger has a bit of creep that I suppose will diminish as the gun is shot. Safety levers are usable but could be better shaped (just as I remember from my prior bouts with a P365 at the local range.) If I can't work these at speed, I might choose to not use the safety or remove the levers altogether (if I can find a Wilson Combat grip module.)

I'll try to put some rounds through the gun over the weekend.

[noguns]

Anyone experience a dead trigger on one? I have roughly 3.5k through my edc p365xl. I’ve never done anything other than field strip to clean and lube. Today I was about 3 mags into my session and the trigger didn’t reset when doing either a bill drill or some kind of faster shooting rep. I just racked the slide back about an inch to reset the trigger and it functioned fine afterward. Did I just short stroke the trigger during recoil? Is it a platform quirk? I’ve never had this happen with any glock, m@p or HK pistol I’ve run.

Thanks.

[CarloMNL]

Was able to shoot the Micro yesterday. My finger is still on the mend so I only went through 100 rounds of Blazer Brass, and 30-odd 124gr HST standard pressure (rounds that had been chambered twice or thrice in my carry pistol over the years.)

No issues with the Italian and American magazines. The Manual Safety is not easy for me to use at speed. Sights were easy to pick up and I didn't need to adjust windage. POI seemed to be more drive the dot than top ledge. Not a problem within 10 meters but at 20 meters, it was more apparent.

Felt recoil is softer than I remember P365s to have. The little SIGs never cease to surprise when it comes to accuracy. It likes HST better than my G5 Glocks do. I checked zero at 10 meters and parked 9 rounds in a B8's X-ring. This speaks more to the gun than the guy pressing the trigger as I am not a highly skilled shooter.

Did a bit of SHO and WHO work at 5 meters and was able to hold 2" groups at that distance, slow fire. I haven't found a holster yet so presentations will have to wait until I do.

An UPLULA is necessary for me. A friend gifted me one several years ago and I thought, "I have no need for this...." Never had to use one on a Glock mag but the SIG magazines are "stiff" to say the least.

Versus the 43X I carried and shot for almost two years, this one is far more forgiving. From this very limited round count, I'd like to say that the P365 is easier to shoot well while the 43X is easier to fall off the rails with.

I'll need to put 1000 rounds through the gun before I consider carrying it but so far, I'm liking how the P365 behaves.

[GAP]

I am happy to report another drama-free session with my P365XL (Wilson Combat grip/Holosun 407k). Accuracy-wise seems equivalent to my Glock 26 Gen 5 at 25 yards. Freestyle, I can generally keep 50 rounds within a fist-sized group from there. However, I do notice less eye fatigue when shooting a dot vs. irons.

I also shot a friend’s P365X with a PMM comp & DPM recoil reduction system spring. Wow does that thing shoot flat.

[theJanitor]

Does SIG make a threaded barrel for the standard 365?

[RJ]

I had a small epiphany that results from the "FCU" design of the P365 series pistol today: You can use an unassembled grip module to aid in holster fit evaluation for AIWB.

I was playing with holster fit, thinking about removing the "spacer" on the Wing Claw area of my JM Custom Kydex AIWB 2.5 holster. You can see where it's removed, at the locaion of the three holes on the wing.

Anyway, it occurred to me that the grip module would slide right in, and lock in place, sans a slide. Doing this, I was able to check the result of this small change (I liked it, and will keep the "spacer" removed) directly on my belt. All this without disturbing the configuration my P365 was currently in (10+1 pocket carry, P365 slide, irons, Vedder Pocket Locker), just by using a spare grip module.

For whatever reason, I'd never thought to do this, but it is pretty obvious. Holster retention on most Kydex holsters is almost always via the trigger guard (all mine are). That being the case, the grip module, by itself, will lock into the holster. That way, you can easily test fit for comfort, belt position, orientation, pad position, clip type, etc. all without a "live" gun. Granted, there's no back of the slide, but the holster itself will serve as an approximate space model, especially if you use a Full Sweat Guard (I always do.) And even if you don't, the fit of the holster with a naked grip module only, will help you get an idea of where the holster fits on your body.

I find AIWB is such an individual thing, I'm always fiddling with fit, and this let me do a quick check.

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[vandal]

Using MagGuts so 14+1 here. I always carry a spare 15 or 17-round mag except when I'm carrying the 365XL while running. Since I'm not carrying a spare then I like the extra capacity.



Quick question regarding the carry magazine.. with broken in mags are you guys carrying 12+1 or just going with 11 in the mag to keep a little “play?”

[D-der]

I carry a PPM comped XL daily with a Magguts mag full of 147gr HST' s and a Maguts backup mag, all function 100%

[Eagle1*]

I am happy to report another drama-free session with my P365XL (Wilson Combat grip/Holosun 407k). Accuracy-wise seems equivalent to my Glock 26 Gen 5 at 25 yards. Freestyle, I can generally keep 50 rounds within a fist-sized group from there. However, I do notice less eye fatigue when shooting a dot vs. irons.

I also shot a friend’s P365X with a PMM comp & DPM recoil reduction system spring. Wow does that thing shoot flat.


Boy, I never thought you would stray away from your 26 gen5 man. When did this Sig thing happen???

[GAP]

Boy, I never thought you would stray away from your 26 gen5 man. When did this Sig thing happen???

I still love the G26. However, I’ve been dealing with some sinus issues that is making it easier for me to shoot with a dot. I didn’t want to have to slice and dice my slide to give it a try. So far, the P365XL is performing very well!

[MDFA]

I'm planning on adding the PMM Comp to my P365X with Wilson Combat Grip Module and Holosun 407Kx2. From what I'm reading, is the PMM Comp still the way to go? I know you can get the 365x Compensated Slide from SIG. Out of stock now and $499.99 plus an XL Recoil Spring. And from different tests it seems that the PMM is more effective, as well as more cost effective. Just checking on the hive's experience.

[GAP]

I'm planning on adding the PMM Comp to my P365X with Wilson Combat Grip Module and Holosun 407Kx2. From what I'm reading, is the PMM Comp still the way to go? I know you can get the 365x Compensated Slide from SIG. Out of stock now and $499.99 plus an XL Recoil Spring. And from different tests it seems that the PMM is more effective, as well as more cost effective. Just checking on the hive's experience.

There’s a positive, noticeable difference in recoil between a friend’s P365X w/ PMM comp vs. my P365XL. He uses the DPM recoil reduction system spring with it. I haven’t tried the Sig comp slide, but my brain can’t imagine how it would work all that well.

[GJM]

I'm planning on adding the PMM Comp to my P365X with Wilson Combat Grip Module and Holosun 407Kx2. From what I'm reading, is the PMM Comp still the way to go? I know you can get the 365x Compensated Slide from SIG. Out of stock now and $499.99 plus an XL Recoil Spring. And from different tests it seems that the PMM is more effective, as well as more cost effective. Just checking on the hive's experience.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?54848-365-Macro-accuracy-problem

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Hey, wife and Darryl Bolke also download 1. :p

I honestly feel that with this gun it's not a bad choice because of how much force is on the top round there if you fully load the magazine. This is how I've been running mine also, even with the 10 round magazine.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Until a few years ago when they re-engineered the P30/VP9 mags to 17 rounds and starting selling kits to fix the old ones. I am not on board with -1 for most of my platforms. The only instance in the last 40 years where I considered it because of problems is the 1911 and the 8 round magazines, where for many magazine designs the problem is certain.

The jury is still out on whether that has been an improvement or did they in fact simply cast aside the total reliability thing and cave to market pressures to become relevant again. I want to believe but I've been fooled so many times at this point in life it's hard to trust anything these days.

[t1tan]

Does SIG make a threaded barrel for the standard 365?

Internally they do, but they’re not available to the public yet and no mentioned timeline.

[crosseyedshooter]

Internally they do, but they’re not available to the public yet and no mentioned timeline.

Oh, I bet they'll release it with the next model XMacro TacOps Combat Legion or some such. Maybe after the manual safety XMacro.

[RJ]

I don't recall this model being available, but it looks like Sig recently added an optics-ready P365:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-optic-ready.html

That or I missed it previously.

[CalAlumnus]

Is the P365xl with the rear sight on the RDS plate still available somehow?

I’m wanting to run it with 507k’s built-in rear sight notch.

[RJ]

Is the P365xl with the rear sight on the RDS plate still available somehow?

I’m wanting to run it with 507k’s built-in rear sight notch.

I think this slide only on MGW's site is the old-style:

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/2700180-01-r

There may be some complete guns floating around gunbroker. Example:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/975029888

As briskly as these are going, I'd grab one quickly if you want the old slide. I bought one of the last few "X-change" kits from Proven Outfitters last year; included a complete slide, barrel and RSA, grip module and 2 12 round mags for $400 to get my XL slide. As I understand these are now discontinued, which is a shame.

[G19Fan]

Is the P365xl with the rear sight on the RDS plate still available somehow?

I’m wanting to run it with 507k’s built-in rear sight notch.

By far my favorite p365 family slide

[frozentundra]

Is the P365xl with the rear sight on the RDS plate still available somehow?

I’m wanting to run it with 507k’s built-in rear sight notch.


By far my favorite p365 family slide



As briskly as these are going, I'd grab one quickly if you want the old slide. I bought one of the last few "X-change" kits from Proven Outfitters last year; included a complete slide, barrel and RSA, grip module and 2 12 round mags for $400 to get my XL slide. As I understand these are now discontinued, which is a shame.

I'm thinking about buying one of these. Why do we like the old style without the extra rear sight dovetail better? Is it the position of the optic?

[Biggy]

I prefer the new style slide.

[Up1911Fan]

If anyone wants the older style XL slide with the rear sight built in to the optic plate, I'll trade one for the newer style with a separate dovetail.

[RJ]

GAP A G43x replaced my J frames.
And i can carry it in my pocket of the pants i wear if i want to.

Leroy if I may - I'm in the middle of an extended comparison between my snubby (LCR .38) and my P365 for gym carry. I typically clip my LCR on my gym shorts, AIWB, in a Dark Star Gear, with a MMT flat ACP for comfort. That rig weighs 19.7 oz. When I have my P365 in a JMCK AIWB, loaded 10+1 of Speer GD the complete package is 26.6 oz. I can manage the weight delta, although I feel it. What I do notice a lot is the shape of the revolver being more kind to my middle than the back of the semo auto. For squats especially, the P365 digs in a lot more during the range of motion. Having said that, 11 rounds of 9mm +p trumps 5 rounds of wadcutter if I need it. So "for me" this would mean turning my snubby in for another P365 FCU (I have lots of P365 platform grip frame options, a couple slides and quite a few magazines.)

I was wondering, for you or anyone else who has or is considering replacing a J-frame with a pocket semi-auto, specifically the P365, what compromises have you had to make to get the extra capacity?

[fatdog]

P365 in a Mika pocket holster has been my pocket gun when I need to do that for just over the last year. It is a lot more weight, bounce and sag than anything I have ever tried except the G26, but I can make it work.

I pocked carried or bellyband carried a J frame in business attire for close to 25 years, but G42 is a reliable gun and even easier in those modes for me.

I just used my blue label coupon to buy a G43 since Landgon is selling the gadget again for those. A holster is inbound from Bob Mika. I am thinking this is going to be considerably lighter than the P365 as a pocket pistol, 6+1 or 7+1 and maybe the Goldilocks. But I have chased Goldilocks for the last 40 years.:p

[CalAlumnus]

I'm thinking about buying one of these. Why do we like the old style without the extra rear sight dovetail better? Is it the position of the optic?

I think most people probably prefer having a dedicated rear sight dovetail, which is why Sig made the change. However, I’m planning to run it with the 407/507k, which has an integrated notch, so I don’t want the separate rear sight.

For anyone else looking, Academy shows them as available for ship-to-store. I placed an order; we’ll see if it arrives.

https://www.academy.com/p/sig-sauer-p365-xl-9mm-semiautomatic-pistol?sku=9mm

[CalAlumnus]

I just used my blue label coupon to buy a G43 since Landgon is selling the gadget again for those. A holster is inbound from Bob Mika. I am thinking this is going to be considerably lighter than the P365 as a pocket pistol, 6+1 or 7+1 and maybe the Goldilocks. But I have chased Goldilocks for the last 40 years.:p

Looks like the G43 is actually slightly heavier, but also a bit larger. Maybe it’ll feel less dense for you as a result? I also wonder if running the P365 with only 7 rounds loaded might accomplish the same thing.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-glock-g43

[Leroy Suggs]

RJ I now carry the G43 in place of a J. Sold all my J frames. I can carry the 43X ok in a pocket also.

I have made zero compromises in replacing the J with the 43. The 43 works as good or better than the J for pocket carry for me. 43 is a much more capable pistol than the J.

[flyrodr]

P365 in a Mika pocket holster has been my pocket gun when I need to do that for just over the last year. It is a lot more weight, bounce and sag than anything I have ever tried except the G26, but I can make it work.

I do the same, but have a red dot on mine which Bob made a bit larger holster for. Agree on the weight, bounce and sag issues, and in certain attire . . . OK, most attire . . . it's slower than using a holster. But, with lifestyle, grandkids around frequency, etc., it's the best compromise I've found. Tried the J-frame and a Kahr PM9, but the red dot just allows me to shoot more accurately, and faster.

Still looking around, because, ss fatdog said, maybe Goldilocks is out there . . .

[BillSWPA]

When pocket carrying, wearing the same type of double thickness leather belt that one would wear wen belt carrying helps prevent sagging which makes it obvious that something heavy is in the pocket.

Selecting pants with deep enough pockets to effectively hide and secure the gun while not having the pockets so deep that the gun is positioned too low on the leg really helps minimize bouncing around.

I currently use a P365 in a Pocket Concealment Systems Tomahawk for pocket carry. This holster is a good compromise between minimizing bulk and minimizing printing. It takes up almost all of the pocket, which helps retain everything in the pocket while also helping to minimize bounce.

[fatdog]

Looks like the G43 is actually slightly heavier, but also a bit larger. Maybe it’ll feel less dense for you as a result? I also wonder if running the P365 with only 7 rounds loaded might accomplish the same thing.

Indeed with 7 rounds it might match weight, certainly a more shootable gun, but, the 43 grip and balance seem more concealable and stable in dress slacks, and I like having the gadget as opposed to the thumb safety on the P365. I would never get my brain to accept the P365 without the thumb safety for pocket carry.

Since my primary carry when dress code allows is a full size Glock, I am getting more uncomfortable that I will always hit the safety on the 365. But the experiment may lead me back to the 365.

[BillSWPA]

Looks like the G43 is actually slightly heavier, but also a bit larger. Maybe it’ll feel less dense for you as a result? I also wonder if running the P365 with only 7 rounds loaded might accomplish the same thing.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-glock-g43

If you really want to maximize the ease of pocket carry, I doubt 3 rounds will make much difference in weight. However, having those extra 3 rounds in the magazine might enable skipping the spare magazine if absolute size and weight minimization is the goal.

[Navin Johnson]

For me personally, I would never carry a semi without a back up mag

It is the number one failure point, it can be Knocked Loose, base plate could be ripped off, etc.

I would be far more comfortable with a revolver without a reload.

YMMV

[Ed L]

I have had various pairs of pants pocket's deepened by a tailor to make pocket carry work better. Some dress pants and suit pants pockets are too shallow and tight to allow pocket carry.

[Jaywalker]

I now carry the G43 ... 43 is a much more capable pistol than the J. I find the 43 is much better for travel for me than a holster. All the pants I have that I'd travel in work well with it in my BORAII holster, and it prints like like a large rectangular cell phone. The main advantage of pocket carry in this circumstance is when dropping trou in strange restrooms - no holster management is required.

[G19Fan]

I find the 43 is much better for travel for me than a holster. All the pants I have that I'd travel in work well with it in my BORAII holster, and it prints like like a large rectangular cell phone. The main advantage of pocket carry in this circumstance is when dropping trou in strange restrooms - no holster management is required.

One reason I love the phlster enigma

[Mitch]

I don't recall this model being available, but it looks like Sig recently added an optics-ready P365:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-optic-ready.html

That or I missed it previously.

Any one see one of these in the wild yet? I was going to pick up a P365 for deep concealment, but I may wait for the optic ready one just to have the option.

Related note, anyone ever carry with a red dot in an ankle holster? Any complications?

[CalAlumnus]

Any one see one of these in the wild yet? I was going to pick up a P365 for deep concealment, but I may wait for the optic ready one just to have the option.

I’ve seen these in stores; KYGUNCO has them in stock. https://www.kygunco.com/product/sig-sauer-365-9-bxr3p-p365-9mm-3.1-x-ray-3-optic-cut

[crosseyedshooter]

I’ve seen these in stores; KYGUNCO has them in stock. https://www.kygunco.com/product/sig-sauer-365-9-bxr3p-p365-9mm-3.1-x-ray-3-optic-cut

I’m a little hesitant on these until the spec gets sorted out regarding which sights they come with. They originally were spec’d on the website with Siglite sights instead of the excellent Xray3 sights. They’re also priced $50 more than the non-optic-ready P365 and $50 less than the P365X. If the P365 optic-ready is confirmed to come with Xray3 sights, then the pricing makes it compelling for smallest form factor P365.

[Mitch]

I’m a little hesitant on these until the spec gets sorted out regarding which sights they come with. They originally were spec’d on the website with Siglite sights instead of the excellent Xray3 sights. They’re also priced $50 more than the non-optic-ready P365 and $50 less than the P365X. If the P365 optic-ready is confirmed to come with Xray3 sights, then the pricing makes it compelling for smallest form factor P365.

Yeah I’ll wait to see one in person but $50 seems like a good trade for the option to add an optic if you want.

[SouthNarc]

Question:

I know there are a a ton of after market "match" barrels out there from Tru-Precision, Faxon, so on. I have zero interest in pretty colors or threads. I have an XL slide that I need another barrel for.

Has anyone actually tested any of them to see if they are more accurate than factory? They all seem to be around the same price.

[CalAlumnus]

I have a new P365 XL with a Holosun 507K. I’m still getting used to it, for sure… I had been shooting my G19 with an SCS pretty consistently, and the P365 XL trigger has a different feel.

I’ve run into the issue below. I zeroed at 10 yards on a 2-inch dot. When shooting the B8 slow fire, the gun seems to shoot very different at 10 and 25. You can see the center group is all at 10 yards, with the dot right on top of the X. The high shot was me; I called it. Yet at 25 yards, I get a clear high-left pattern, aside from that high shot (also a called flier). The 25 yard group was actually two strings.

I feel like the difference between a 10 yard and 25 yard zero shouldn’t be so significant? Maybe it’s something I’m doing?

For what it’s worth, I shoot at center at both distances with the Glock 19.103168

[BillSWPA]

I have a new P365 XL with a Holosun 507K. I’m still getting used to it, for sure… I had been shooting my G19 with an SCS pretty consistently, and the P365 XL trigger has a different feel.

I’ve run into the issue below. I zeroed at 10 yards on a 2-inch dot. When shooting the B8 slow fire, the gun seems to shoot very different at 10 and 25. You can see the center group is all at 10 yards, with the dot right on top of the X. The high shot was me; I called it. Yet at 25 yards, I get a clear high-left pattern, aside from that high shot (also a called flier). The 25 yard group was actually two strings.

I feel like the difference between a 10 yard and 25 yard zero shouldn’t be so significant? Maybe it’s something I’m doing?

For what it’s worth, I shoot at center at both distances with the Glock 19.103168

What happens when you zero at 25 yards and then shoot at 10?

[Navin Johnson]

I have a new P365 XL with a Holosun 507K. I’m still getting used to it, for sure… I had been shooting my G19 with an SCS pretty consistently, and the P365 XL trigger has a different feel.

I’ve run into the issue below. I zeroed at 10 yards on a 2-inch dot. When shooting the B8 slow fire, the gun seems to shoot very different at 10 and 25. You can see the center group is all at 10 yards, with the dot right on top of the X. The high shot was me; I called it. Yet at 25 yards, I get a clear high-left pattern, aside from that high shot (also a called flier). The 25 yard group was actually two strings.

I feel like the difference between a 10 yard and 25 yard zero shouldn’t be so significant? Maybe it’s something I’m doing?

For what it’s worth, I shoot at center at both distances with the Glock 19.103168

Whom else has shot the gun with the same results? Or different?

[Up1911Fan]

While I carry in JMCK kydex 90% of the time, who doesn't like leather? Optics cut leather from TT and Rosen.
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[Maca]

What light are you guys running on Macro?

[Up1911Fan]

What light are you guys running on Macro?

TLR-7 Sub.

[MDFA]

TLR 7 Sub 1913

[Up1911Fan]

Is anyone using anything other than the factory barrel without a comp? Just ordered another XL slide and need a barrel. Just wondering if anything other than OEM is worth considering?

[RJ]

Does anyone remember, or can point me to, the post on this or any other thread wherein a "long slide" P365XL was mentioned?

I seem to recall it being associated with a photograph of a long slide P365XL a la a Glock 34, with dustcover extending out further than the P365XL. Perhaps it was from an industry site like Soldier Systems, but I can't put my finger on it right at the moment. Maybe from last fall?

Any help appreciated.

[Up1911Fan]

Does anyone remember, or can point me to, the post on this or any other thread wherein a "long slide" P365XL was mentioned?

I seem to recall it being associated with a photograph of a long slide P365XL a la a Glock 34, with dustcover extending out further than the P365XL. Perhaps it was from an industry site like Soldier Systems, but I can't put my finger on it right at the moment. Maybe from last fall?

Any help appreciated.
It was on the Macro frame.

[RJ]

Does anyone remember, or can point me to, the post on this or any other thread wherein a "long slide" P365XL was mentioned?

I seem to recall it being associated with a photograph of a long slide P365XL a la a Glock 34, with dustcover extending out further than the P365XL. Perhaps it was from an industry site like Soldier Systems, but I can't put my finger on it right at the moment. Maybe from last fall?

Any help appreciated.

Found it.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/10/ausa-22-evolution-of-sig-p365/

[jandbj]

Found it.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/10/ausa-22-evolution-of-sig-p365/

One more…https://shalotek.com/armory/sig-sauer/sig-sauer-slides/sig-sauer-p365xxl-slides/

[Up1911Fan]

Has anyone seen an updates on the Armorycraft extended safety? I remember them teasing one awhile back. I would lobe to add safeties to all of my P365 series guns, but the stock levers are just too small for me, especially going back on safe.

[MDFA]

Is anyone using anything other than the factory barrel without a comp? Just ordered another XL slide and need a barrel. Just wondering if anything other than OEM is worth considering?

The top pistol is built with a Brownell's XL Slide and Barrel and works great. Fit was tight when first installed, but worked in racking the slide and firing the first few rounds. The bottom pistol is my Tacops. There is a slight difference in the milling of the factory slide and the Brownell's slide, which is noticeable in the fit of Kydex holsters.
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[D-der]

I'm running a True Precision barrel in one of my XL's, fitment, feed ramp, accuracy are all good.

[RJ]

While I carry in JMCK kydex 90% of the time, who doesn't like leather? Optics cut leather from TT and Rosen.


Dang it you just cost me $85. :cool:

[Up1911Fan]

Dang it you just cost me $85. :cool:

On what?

[RJ]

On what?

I've been waiting for Mitch to include the optic-ready cut in the UL express for the P365X so I could order one. It's a favorite design of mine.

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[Up1911Fan]

I've been waiting for Mitch to include the optic-ready cut in the UL express for the P365X so I could order one. It's a favorite design of mine.

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Yeah I'd been emailing there customer service a month for quite awhile until they finally gave me the go ahead to order the full detail UPL. Took a little over 3 months, which wasn't too bad.

[coN]

Finally opted to get a Brownells optic cut P365 slide after the Sig slide completion kits became available again. After running my Shield Plus for some time now, i prefer the grip on it vs the P365 since it feels a bit too thin now. Would the Wilson Combat grip module make a difference? I'm told it fills the hand better, as well as having better grip texture.

Any opinions? This is going on a vanilla P365.

[EricP]

Finally opted to get a Brownells optic cut P365 slide after the Sig slide completion kits became available again. After running my Shield Plus for some time now, i prefer the grip on it vs the P365 since it feels a bit too thin now. Would the Wilson Combat grip module make a difference? I'm told it fills the hand better, as well as having better grip texture.

Any opinions? This is going on a vanilla P365.

I had the same complaint about the regular P365 grip being thin. The Wilson grip adds just enough and has good texture too. I wouldn’t dream of going back. There is one for sale in the classifieds now (not mine).

[coN]

I had the same complaint about the regular P365 grip being thin. The Wilson grip adds just enough and has good texture too. I wouldn’t dream of going back. There is one for sale in the classifieds now (not mine).I would be interested to try but I do not have access to the classifieds. I'll get one from Armory Craft as soon as they have red Shadow 2 triggers in stock.

[RJ]

Noooooooooo…Mitch Rosen doesn’t offer a P365XL holster on the Upper Limit Express drop down..l suppose I could call and ask but after thinking about it, I already have a good AOWB solution (an RCS Perun). Sigh. I do like MR holsters though…but I can allocate the $85 somewhere else, no problem. :)

[RJ]

Finally opted to get a Brownells optic cut P365 slide after the Sig slide completion kits became available again. After running my Shield Plus for some time now, i prefer the grip on it vs the P365 since it feels a bit too thin now. Would the Wilson Combat grip module make a difference? I'm told it fills the hand better, as well as having better grip texture.

Any opinions? This is going on a vanilla P365.

The WC grip is fatter and fills the hand, but I went back to the OEM grip for AIWB because I felt the WC was a bit too thick. Same for pocket carry, there is more room with the skinnier Sig grip. Shooting? The WC is noticeably better, for sure.

[Hot Sauce]

Has anyone seen an updates on the Armorycraft extended safety? I remember them teasing one awhile back. I would lobe to add safeties to all of my P365 series guns, but the stock levers are just too small for me, especially going back on safe.

Hadn’t heard that this was in the works, but color me intrigued.


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[Biggy]

I got this email today from Armorycraft in response to my question if they had a manual thumb safety in the works for the Sig P365 pistols. Below is their response.

Hello Jon,

We do not have a product like this in development currently. I will be sure to bring your suggestion to the attention of our product development team the next time I have a meeting with them.

Thanks for your interest in Armory Craft products.

Kind regards,

Barnabas Bela
Customer Service

[parishioner]

I got this email today from Armorycraft in response to my question if they had a manual thumb safety in the works for the Sig P365 pistols. Below is their response.

Hello Jon,

We do not have a product like this in development currently. I will be sure to bring your suggestion to the attention of our product development team the next time I have a meeting with them.

Thanks for your interest in Armory Craft products.

Kind regards,

Barnabas Bela
Customer Service


I know a lot of you will be interested in this. They are also releasing their extended slide release that also looks nice.

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I guess they abandoned plan? A shame if so.

We need to get UNK on this.

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I guess they abandoned plan? A shame if so.

We need to get UNK on this.

We are working on it.

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We are working on it.

I just bought the 365xl in the firearms for sale section. I need a thumb safety grip module. Anybody got one they are not using?

[Sarvershooter]

I just bought the 365xl in the firearms for sale section. I need a thumb safety grip module. Anybody got one they are not using?

I have one. Sent you a PM.

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I have one. Sent you a PM.

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I just bought the 365xl in the firearms for sale section. I need a thumb safety grip module. Anybody got one they are not using?

[User365]

Just picked up a P365 to supplement my G26 for carry.

I noted that the firing pin safety on the P365 is an interesting design, and appears to rely on the sear lug of the striker to prevent an AD. To my thinking, if the sear lug would catastrophically break off, the gun would AD as the Striker Safety would not have anywhere to stop the striker.

Can’t find an example of an AD issue, but I did find a few pics online of P365 sheared off sear lugs. I did watch the ProTeq video, and noted he had to cut off the lug to remove it. But I guess there is always concern with QC issues of heat-treating etc.

I must admit- I find the Glock system more reassuring with the striker plunger being right by the breechface.

Anyone else have any concerns with this design on the P365, or am I missing something in the design? I have been carrying with one in the pipe at the 3 o’clock, but always get concerned with an AD, especially when my 2 year old is constantly running around me.

Thanks.

[Biggy]

I have absolutely no concerns with the current design of the Sig P365 FCU / pistol. I carry AIWB and *I* do prefer to have a manual thumb safety on my P365.

[RJ]

Anyone else have any concerns with this design on the P365, ...



I can't immediately pin point the previous thread discussion on this, but IIRC it took place in 2018 or 2019 or so. I'm sure that video you refer to was posted and discussed. Same with the cut-off sear legs. I think it was 0ddl0t who tracked that down.

The P365 series guns have been out for, what, at least four years now, with a plethora (20?) of models available and over a million FCUs shipped. I've owned three, and about to buy a fourth. I've been in both this thread here on p-f, and on the brand-specific forum ending in "talk", for several years, have not seen any reports of ADs, at all.


Cliff's: No, not me.

[jh9]

I can't immediately pin point the previous thread discussion on this, but IIRC it took place in 2018 or 2019 or so. I'm sure that video you refer to was posted and discussed. Same with the cut-off sear legs. I think it was 0ddl0t who tracked that down.

The P365 series guns have been out for, what, at least four years now, with a plethora (20?) of models available and over a million FCUs shipped. I've owned three, and about to buy a fourth. I've been in both this thread here on p-f, and on the brand-specific forum ending in "talk", for several years, have not seen any reports of ADs, at all.


Cliff's: No, not me.

Yeah if it were just a defect in material or part geometry that could lead to AD it would have happened by now. Sig doesn't keep Manurhin-level QA, and they've made a ton of these things.

Even finding fire-not-smoke cases of where the more problematic design (320) has had actual, 'uncommanded' discharges is hard enough.

Sig is still Sig, but they appear to have baked in some tolerance for Sig-level Signess in the design such that the 365 still works in spite of Sig doing Sig things.

[Lex Luthier]

Yeah if it were just a defect in material or part geometry that could lead to AD it would have happened by now. Sig doesn't keep Manurhin-level QA, and they've made a ton of these things.

Even finding fire-not-smoke cases of where the more problematic design (320) has had actual, 'uncommanded' discharges is hard enough.

Sig is still Sig, but they appear to have baked in some tolerance for Sig-level Signess in the design such that the 365 still works in spite of Sig doing Sig things.

That last line is fully sig-worthy.

[jh9]

That last line is fully sig-worthy.

Well, it's certainly Sig-worthy... but they did it to themselves. :D

[Up1911Fan]

I continue to be impressed by the accuracy of these guns. All 3 groups shot at 25 with 147gr Gold Dot. The last gun is zeroed with 147gr Lawman. It's not the first P365 that shows a slight windage deviation when going from Lawman to GD. The first two guns are zeroed to the GD.
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[G19Fan]

I continue to be impressed by the accuracy of these guns. All 3 groups shot at 25 with 147gr Gold Dot. The last gun is zeroed with 147gr Lawman. It's not the first P365 that shows a slight windage deviation when going from Lawman to GD. The first two guns are zeroed to the GD.
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Nice shooting. Same results for me. Zero withb124 grain hst for all guns except dedicated range gun. Thst gets zeroed beginning of each case

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I continue to be impressed by the accuracy of these guns. All 3 groups shot at 25 with 147gr Gold Dot. The last gun is zeroed with 147gr Lawman. It's not the first P365 that shows a slight windage deviation when going from Lawman to GD. The first two guns are zeroed to the GD.
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Id be interested in seeing what one could do off of a rest.

[Archer1440]

Id be interested in seeing what one could do off of a rest.

January 2019, 10 rounds, 124 grain Lawman, off a range bag, not a proper rest, 25 yards, with the SIG green laser module for the 365.

Those flyers were all me at the time. Gun is way too small for my hands, but "accurate enough".

[RJ]

I've been yeehawing lately about selling my Ruger LCR, in order to pick up another P365 as a backup/training gun. Fortunately, I never got around to doing anything with the LCR, which I've had for 4 years now. Just could not bring myself to sell it.

So finally I saw an opportunity to snag a used 2023 production P365 FCU (s/n 66F...), which started life as a XMACRO Comp. I received the FCU at my FFL this week and popped my spare XL slide on it. Amusingly, after 10 years of buying and selling handguns, I finally just about fulfilled the advice I got when I first registered with Pistol-Forum: "buy two Glock 19s and a case of ammo." :cool: This '23 FCU has the "x" trigger, just like my '21 P365X. I'm in between optics, currently running irons. I was waiting for the EPS Carry to shake out any initial production issues, but the plan is to pick up a new red 6 MOA EPS Carry later this summer or fall.

I'll be wringing out the new FCU soon and will post back. I don't know if Sig did any running changes in the FCUs, but it will be interesting to compare them side by side.

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[APS-PF]

I don't know if Sig did any running changes in the FCUs, but it will be interesting to compare them side by side.

During my manual safety experiment I had 3qty 365 and 3qty 365xl. On some if you dry fired and then put on the manual safety it would lock the slide and on others it would not which would lead me to believe they were making changes. It's one of the main reasons I moved back to Glocks/SCD.

[G19Fan]

January 2019, 10 rounds, 124 grain Lawman, off a range bag, not a proper rest, 25 yards, with the SIG green laser module for the 365.

Those flyers were all me at the time. Gun is way too small for my hands, but "accurate enough".


Damn nice shooting

[Up1911Fan]

ArmoryCraft finally announced their extended safety for the P365 series. I'm pretty stoked about this as I wanted a safety on all of mine, but the OEM lever was just to small.

[Biggy]

https://www.armorycraft.com/product-page/armory-craft-sig-sauer-p365-extended-safety

Black Nitride/QPQ - between AUG 28 - SEP 7th

Solid steel billet and hardened. This grooved and extended SIG P365 safety is about 2mm (.079") wider on each side and re-contours the profile for an easier and more positive on/off actuation in all situations.

[RJ]

Orange followers, same as the ones in the Macro mags, if you want to replace your black ones in P365/P365XL mags:

https://desertdepotarms.com/product/p320-p365-colored-followers-9mm-40-w-357-sig/

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[RJ]

I'll be wringing out the new FCU soon and will post back.



Been so busy fiddling with my 1911 I forgot I have three range sessions in with that used FCU I picked up a few months ago. I have it in an XL grip, waiting on WC to release the Macro module. Optic is the EPS Carry MRS Red I got from MidWest optics. So far I've moved the dot two clicks after initial mounting. I take it and shoot a couple magazines worth each time, making sure it works (it does) while waiting.

This is intended to be a Carry Optics gun down the road. My USPSA rig has a Macro holster and I have reconfigured my DAA pouches for the 365 Macro mags+TTI extendo's I still have kicking around.

Funny I've been shooting irons for 12 months, using a dot after so long is almost like cheating. I set it with just the big 32 MOA circle, so I could get used to indexing a dot again. Doing serious dry practice with my Steve Anderson books will have to wait till we relocate (yes, again) to Ocala FL this fall. There is a USPSA club in Gainsville, up I-75 from where we will be that I plan to check out.

The only real metric I have completed is The Test, untimed at the square range from low ready. I'm just shooting at cadence; see doughnut, shoot doughnut. So far so good.
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ArmoryCraft finally announced their extended safety for the P365 series. I'm pretty stoked about this as I wanted a safety on all of mine, but the OEM lever was just to small.

Meh. My buddy who made the Shield safeties, his will be better. You can take that to the bank.

[karandom]

Meh. My buddy who made the Shield safeties, his will be better. You can take that to the bank.
Is he doing a P365? I didn't think that was in the cards for him, but if it is, awesome! Keep us in the loop.

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Is he doing a P365? I didn't think that was in the cards for him, but if it is, awesome! Keep us in the loop.

Prototype 1 is being tested now

[wmu12071]

Prototype 1 is being tested now

Any estimate on time line? I am really interested in an extended safety even though I am not sure what holster will accept an extended safety.

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Any estimate on time line? I am really interested in an extended safety even though I am not sure what holster will accept an extended safety.

A lot faster than the Shield safety Im sure. I cant predict the time. Sooner than Soon ™
We can make molds to modify existing kydex type holsters.

[HeavyDuty]

A lot faster than the Shield safety Im sure. I cant predict the time. Sooner than Soon ™
We can make molds to modify existing kydex type holsters.

If a preview photo gets posted, I promise not to tell anyone.

[wmu12071]

If a preview photo gets posted, I promise not to tell anyone.

Or DMed honestly..... I think if I could get a good extended safety it would be the most satisfied I have ever been with my carry gun.

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If a preview photo gets posted, I promise not to tell anyone.


Or DMed honestly..... I think if I could get a good extended safety it would be the most satisfied I have ever been with my carry gun.

Guys I appreciate you interest, I’ll say its being evaluated by prolific shooters, I expect it to meet your expectations. I learned a lot from the Shield project both during and afterwards from users input, that experience is going to prove very valuable moving this project forward as quickly as possible. Its a competitive market and Id prefer to keep this under wraps until its announced. I hope you will understand.

[wmu12071]

Guys I appreciate you interest, I’ll say its being evaluated by prolific shooters, I expect it to meet your expectations. I learned a lot from the Shield project both during and afterwards from users input, that experience is going to prove very valuable moving this project forward as quickly as possible. Its a competitive market and Id prefer to keep this under wraps until its announced. I hope you will understand.

I certainly understand. I'm just impatient.

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I certainly understand. I'm just impatient.

If you were here for the Glock gadget then you will appreciate sooner than soon. Now I understand the development time for that project

[wmu12071]

If you were here for the Glock gadget then you will appreciate sooner than soon. Now I understand the development time for that project

My wife will never forget gadget wait.... I was asked several time who she needed to sleep with to get me one.

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My wife will never forget gadget wait.... I was asked several time who she needed to sleep with to get me one.

Flowers for the funeral should be sent where?

[HeavyDuty]

Guys I appreciate you interest, I’ll say its being evaluated by prolific shooters, I expect it to meet your expectations. I learned a lot from the Shield project both during and afterwards from users input, that experience is going to prove very valuable moving this project forward as quickly as possible. Its a competitive market and Id prefer to keep this under wraps until its announced. I hope you will understand.

Completely. All I ask that when you can unveil the shape, you let us know! I’ll hold off on the other one until then.

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Completely. All I ask that when you can unveil the shape, you let us know! I’ll hold off on the other one until then.

With your background you’ll be happy.

[HeavyDuty]

With your background you’ll be happy.

Ooooh… a hint.

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Ooooh… a hint.

Ok enough probably too much

[HeavyDuty]

Ok enough probably too much

Shooting history, or nudge nudge wink wink history? Lol

[Brianjkeene]

I DIY’d a Razorback and grip heel enhancement à la Boresight to my Wilson XL frame. Was my first time ever doing something like this but I’m happy with the results. Not sure I’ve seen it done to a Wilson frame before so figured I’d share.

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[Brianjkeene]

I wear an XL glove and now have lots of room for my support hand.


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[Blades]

I DIY’d a Razorback and grip heel enhancement à la Boresight to my Wilson XL frame. Was my first time ever doing something like this but I’m happy with the results. Not sure I’ve seen it done to a Wilson frame before so figured I’d share.

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What did you use?

[Brianjkeene]

What did you use?

Another Wilson frame

[frozentundra]

I wear an XL glove and now have lots of room for my support hand.


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Does this make the gun point higher? I like most everything about the 365 guns except that they seem to point lower than other handguns for me. It messes with my index.

[G19Fan]

Does this make the gun point higher? I like most everything about the 365 guns except that they seem to point lower than other handguns for me. It messes with my index.

Hands are funny. I am opposite.

Playing with backstrap.size and shape helps

[Brianjkeene]

Does this make the gun point higher? I like most everything about the 365 guns except that they seem to point lower than other handguns for me. It messes with my index.

It points very similar to an unmodified Wilson frame - which is to say that it points higher than a factory Xl grip module.

[Hot Sauce]

A lot faster than the Shield safety Im sure. I cant predict the time. Sooner than Soon [emoji769]
We can make molds to modify existing kydex type holsters.

IIRC you mentioned planning to send off an example of Shield safety to JMCK so Tony could get a mold going to accommodate users. Did that ever happen? Is that part of the plan for the 365 safety when it gets finalized?

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IIRC you mentioned planning to send off an example of Shield safety to JMCK so Tony could get a mold going to accommodate users. Did that ever happen? Is that part of the plan for the 365 safety when it gets finalized?

I sent a mold to JMCK and a safety. I posted about it in the Shield Thread. He said the mold was perfect. If Tony Mayer is interested I will send him one for the 365.

[Biggy]

Looking forward to getting one of your P365 thumb safety's for my Wilson Combat Macro grip module when they both become available. Will there be any serrations on the lever and what type of finish will it have if these two things have been finalized.

[Tony Mayer]

I sent a mold to JMCK and a safety. I posted about it in the Shield Thread. He said the mold was perfect. If Tony Mayer is interested I will send him one for the 365.
Sure, send it. Thanks

[UNK]

Looking forward to getting one of your P365 thumb safety's for my Wilson Combat Macro grip module when they both become available. Will there be any serrations on the lever and what type of finish will it have if these two things have been finalized.

Changes to first prototype just started im sure it will have serrations I think most thumb safetys have those. Probably do black nitride it seems to be working well on the shield safety.

[Hot Sauce]

I sent a mold to JMCK and a safety. I posted about it in the Shield Thread. He said the mold was perfect. If Tony Mayer is interested I will send him one for the 365.

Outstanding!

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Changes to first prototype just started im sure it will have serrations I think most thumb safetys have those. Probably do black nitride it seems to be working well on the shield safety.

Or we could do stainless. Anyone interested in a stainless safety? No coating? Maybe with solid pins in stainless?
Heres a Shield with our safety modifed by the owner, a gunsmith, to his personal taste and solid stainless pins.
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[Pepper]

Or we could do stainless. Anyone interested in a stainless safety? No coating? Maybe with solid pins in stainless?
Heres a Shield with our safety modifed by the owner, a gunsmith, to his personal taste and solid stainless pins.


That would work!

[Biggy]

IMHO, if you only have one finish make it black nitride. If you have two finish options, make one a matte stainless finish

[BaiHu]

Or we could do stainless. Anyone interested in a stainless safety? No coating? Maybe with solid pins in stainless?
Heres a Shield with our safety modifed by the owner, a gunsmith, to his personal taste and solid stainless pins.
107711Woah! Glad I jumped on today. Are you making a "bigger/wider" thumb safety for 365 models? Is that what I'm seeing here? If so, then count me very intrigued!

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IMHO, if you only have one finish make it black nitride. If you have two finish options, make one a matte stainless finish

I think we could do both. Ill have to ask Bill its his circus Im just the barker.

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Woah! Glad I jumped on today. Are you making a "bigger/wider" thumb safety for 365 models? Is that what I'm seeing here? If so, then count me very intrigued!

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What up bud. Glad to see you back on here. Stay tuned we just shifted this into high gear.

[BaiHu]

What up bud. Glad to see you back on here. Stay tuned we just shifted this into high gear.Good to hear you're up to no good [emoji1787]

I'm down for 3 black, especially if I don't have to get a new holster. Using the Enigma skeleton, RDS cut, that comes with the express. Looks like this, so I'm guessing it won't interfere. Only going wider, not longer, right? Or am I asking too much? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230728/e124d0a6f9fb3f164d31bb96ba4789aa.jpg

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Good to hear you're up to no good [emoji1787]

I'm down for 3 black, especially if I don't have to get a new holster. Using the Enigma skeleton, RDS cut, that comes with the express. Looks like this, so I'm guessing it won't interfere. Only going wider, not longer, right? Or am I asking too much? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230728/e124d0a6f9fb3f164d31bb96ba4789aa.jpg

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Ill know when I see this next version. We will be offering a mold so you can modify an existing holster as long as its a kydex type material not thermoplastic.

[RJ]

Orange followers, same as the ones in the Macro mags, if you want to replace your black ones in P365/P365XL mags:

https://desertdepotarms.com/product/p320-p365-colored-followers-9mm-40-w-357-sig/

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My bad, these ARE NOT Macro followers, they are 320 followers.

[vandal]

I was surprised to learn that 365 and 320 followers are the same but Macro followers are different. I tried to get a Macro follower in my 365 mag but no joy. Weird to me since you can use Macro mags in a 365.

[RJ]

I was surprised to learn that 365 and 320 followers are the same but Macro followers are different. I tried to get a Macro follower in my 365 mag but no joy. Weird to me since you can use Macro mags in a 365.

HOLY CRAP!

I just spent the last 60 seconds staring at a Macro mag and a P365XL mag, and the followers ARE ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT PARTS. I have had these macro mags for perhaps two years and had never looked at them that closely. What the heck. Why would they be different...?

107742

[TOTS]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.

[UNK]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.

Sorry I bought one for the safety project and have only shot it a couple times. I did however buy a Wilson Combat grip module and pew pewing with just the module this gun Ill keep Im pretty sure. You’re gonna like my buddies safety too.
The business name is Patriot Machine. Hes signed up to be a supporting business here just waiting on LittleLebowski to approve it.

[psalms144.1]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.I "grew up" shooting 1911s, and they're still my favorite pistol of all time. I currently carry a P365XL as a primary, with MS. I would not trade it for any compact 1911, as it just makes so much more sense from a maintenance, capacity and "value" perspective. Having said that, a P365 trigger of any sort is NOT anywhere near comparable to a 1911, and you will notice it right away. The current iteration of the P365 MS is skimpy, and not crisp/positive like a good 1911 safety. It's not bad, it's just not the same.

For ME, the advantage in weight, capacity, cost, etc make the juice worth the squeeze. Might be different for you - I'd strongly recommend shooting a rental or loaner XL against your M&P Compact to see what the real world differences are.

[UNK]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.


I "grew up" shooting 1911s, and they're still my favorite pistol of all time. I currently carry a P365XL as a primary, with MS. I would not trade it for any compact 1911, as it just makes so much more sense from a maintenance, capacity and "value" perspective. Having said that, a P365 trigger of any sort is NOT anywhere near comparable to a 1911, and you will notice it right away. The current iteration of the P365 MS is skimpy, and not crisp/positive like a good 1911 safety. It's not bad, it's just not the same.

For ME, the advantage in weight, capacity, cost, etc make the juice worth the squeeze. Might be different for you - I'd strongly recommend shooting a rental or loaner XL against your M&P Compact to see what the real world differences are.

I talked to the Sig Armorer he can not make it like a 1911. He can clean it up and make it better. Ive heard the Apex trigger is better than the stock Shield 2.0/Plus so maybe some Apex parts could get you closer.
Please dont talk to me about 1911s. Its all I can do to not buy a Wilson Combat thats not in my budget at this time due to major remodeling projects.

[TOTS]

I "grew up" shooting 1911s, and they're still my favorite pistol of all time. I currently carry a P365XL as a primary, with MS. I would not trade it for any compact 1911, as it just makes so much more sense from a maintenance, capacity and "value" perspective. Having said that, a P365 trigger of any sort is NOT anywhere near comparable to a 1911, and you will notice it right away. The current iteration of the P365 MS is skimpy, and not crisp/positive like a good 1911 safety. It's not bad, it's just not the same.

For ME, the advantage in weight, capacity, cost, etc make the juice worth the squeeze. Might be different for you - I'd strongly recommend shooting a rental or loaner XL against your M&P Compact to see what the real world differences are.
I totally get the trigger differences. I built a poor man’s 2011 out of the M&P (who’s trigger is also not like a 1911) but, it is just too big/heavy for summer carry. Think board shorts and flip flops. I traded out of my P938 and am thinking an iteration of the 365 as a summer 1911. Just trying to decide if the manual safety is a valid option.

[wmu12071]

I totally get the trigger differences. I built a poor man’s 2011 out of the M&P (who’s trigger is also not like a 1911) but, it is just too big/heavy for summer carry. Think board shorts and flip flops. I traded out of my P938 and am thinking an iteration of the 365 as a summer 1911. Just trying to decide if the manual safety is a valid option.

Ymmv but I got used to the safety after a much longer time then I thought it would take. Now I am constantly and subconsciously hitting the safety. That said, I really like the idea of a larger one.

[psalms144.1]

I totally get the trigger differences. I built a poor man’s 2011 out of the M&P (who’s trigger is also not like a 1911) but, it is just too big/heavy for summer carry. Think board shorts and flip flops. I traded out of my P938 and am thinking an iteration of the 365 as a summer 1911. Just trying to decide if the manual safety is a valid option.The P365 with MS would be my choice for that application. If you could find one, I'd get the P365X, so you had the option for mount an optic. Then all you'd need is a "standard" P365 MS grip module to make the pistol even smaller, should you care to do so.

If optics are not in your future, it's a lot easier to find a P365 MS.

[RJ]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.

Sorry, I am not a MS guy; defer to the other folks above. I have zip for time on a P365 with a MS. IIRC Chris Baker's P365XL had a MS, perhaps worth looking at his video. I think he makes some comments about it.

Edit: found it. He was not terribly enthusiastic about it:

I’m about to pour a lot of love all over this gun and talk about how amazing it is. But this manual safety is not good. It’s also not horrible. It’s not like the miserable little nub of a safety you’ll find as an option on the Smith & Wesson Shield. And it’s not as bad as that weird safety on the LCP .22 LR I talked about a couple of weeks ago. It has a very positive click on and off and it’s ambidextrous. It could still be much better. It’s not wide enough and it needs to be positioned about a quarter inch farther forward on the frame.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-sig-p365-xl-a-really-good-pistol/

[TOTS]

Sorry, I am not a MS guy; defer to the other folks above. I have zip for time on a P365 with a MS. IIRC Chris Baker's P365XL had a MS, perhaps worth looking at his video. I think he makes some comments about it.

Edit: found it. He was not terribly enthusiastic about it:

I’m about to pour a lot of love all over this gun and talk about how amazing it is. But this manual safety is not good. It’s also not horrible. It’s not like the miserable little nub of a safety you’ll find as an option on the Smith & Wesson Shield. And it’s not as bad as that weird safety on the LCP .22 LR I talked about a couple of weeks ago. It has a very positive click on and off and it’s ambidextrous. It could still be much better. It’s not wide enough and it needs to be positioned about a quarter inch farther forward on the frame.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/the-sig-p365-xl-a-really-good-pistol/

Saw that video. Sounds like great initial input for UNK to pass on for the design. Extend that new one at least a quarter of an inch forward please!!!

I appreciate all the input.

[theJanitor]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.

I haven’t tried the MS variant yet. I have had time with a XL fitted with a Wilson standard 365 module. It’s a great combo

[Hot Sauce]

@RJ (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9257) @theJanitor (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=8244) or @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) or anyone else… If one is a 1911 fan, will one be happy running a 365 (probably xl) MS? For context, I am very content with my M&P compacts safety but am looking for a lighter and thinner option. Kinda looking for a P365 CCO analog if that makes sense.

Surprised UNK didn’t mention it, but maybe I’m missing some context. UNK and his machinist buddy have an extended safety already available for the M&P Shield Plus line.

If you’re already into M&Ps but want something lighter and thinner with a workable thumb safety, that might be a very easy transition back and forth.

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Saw that video. Sounds like great initial input for UNK to pass on for the design. Extend that new one at least a quarter of an inch forward please!!!

I appreciate all the input.

Hot Sauce mentioned the Shield safety. Im not trying to hard sell but Ive got just a few left. Bill will make more but not till the 365 safety is done.
You can look at them here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51332-Extended-Thumb-Safety-S-amp-W-Shield-2-0
and msg me at shieldthumbsafety@gmail.com remind me of your user name and Ill have one headed your way. I have a couple molds left for modifying a kydex type holster with a heat gun to accept the safety. If not thats ok too.

[G19Fan]

I "grew up" shooting 1911s, and they're still my favorite pistol of all time. I currently carry a P365XL as a primary, with MS. I would not trade it for any compact 1911, as it just makes so much more sense from a maintenance, capacity and "value" perspective. Having said that, a P365 trigger of any sort is NOT anywhere near comparable to a 1911, and you will notice it right away. The current iteration of the P365 MS is skimpy, and not crisp/positive like a good 1911 safety. It's not bad, it's just not the same.

For ME, the advantage in weight, capacity, cost, etc make the juice worth the squeeze. Might be different for you - I'd strongly recommend shooting a rental or loaner XL against your M&P Compact to see what the real world differences are.

The trigger doesn't really hold back shooting once used to it and broken in.

Either distance or close drills

[TOTS]

Surprised @UNK (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1772) didn’t mention it, but maybe I’m missing some context. UNK and his machinist buddy have an extended safety already available for the M&P Shield Plus line.

If you’re already into M&Ps but want something lighter and thinner with a workable thumb safety, that might be a very easy transition back and forth.


@Hot Sauce (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=10628) mentioned the Shield safety. Im not trying to hard sell but Ive got just a few left. Bill will make more but not till the 365 safety is done.
You can look at them here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51332-Extended-Thumb-Safety-S-amp-W-Shield-2-0
and msg me at shieldthumbsafety@gmail.com remind me of your user name and Ill have one headed your way. I have a couple molds left for modifying a kydex type holster with a heat gun to accept the safety. If not thats ok too.
No, I’m planning on divesting myself from M&Ps and thinking a P365X with a PMM comp and EPS carry will be big/small enough to replace both the M&P compact and shield plus.

Honestly, I’ve come to the conclusion that 15+ rnds of 9mm in anything is more weight than I want to carry. 10-12 in a 365 sized plastic gun just may be my sweet spot.

[60167]

No, I’m planning on divesting myself from M&Ps and thinking a P365X with a PMM comp and EPS carry will be big/small enough to replace both the M&P compact and shield plus.

Honestly, I’ve come to the conclusion that 15+ rnds of 9mm in anything is more weight than I want to carry. 10-12 in a 365 sized plastic gun just may be my sweet spot.

107794

Sorry for the bad pic, but I’d say this is the sweet spot.

[TOTS]

107794

Sorry for the bad pic, but I’d say this is the sweet spot.
Exactly what I’m looking for. Now to find the cheapest way to build it!!

[maximus83]

You won't be disappointed...I switched from shooting mostly 1911's, CZ's, and M&P's to Glocks and 365's (XL and Macro), it's been well worth it. 365 isn't perfect and I agree with those seeking a wider TS, but it's a pretty well thought-out design.

Something that concerns me is a few random YT reports of AD's (I haven't verified these) and comments like the following that was posted in the Sig 320 thread:


I can tell you we’ve had enough problems with P365 series guns that we went from allowing any P365 series (commercial or LE/IOP sourced) to only allowing LE/IOP sourced guns even with mandatory armorer inspections prior to being put into service.
HCM can you summarize the issues you saw or give a link if you've posted details on this here before?

[HCM]

You won't be disappointed...I switched from shooting mostly 1911's, CZ's, and M&P's to Glocks and 365's (XL and Macro), it's been well worth it. 365 isn't perfect and I agree with those seeking a wider TS, but it's a pretty well thought-out design.

Something that concerns me is a few random YT reports of AD's (I haven't verified these) and comments like the following that was posted in the Sig 320 thread:


HCM can you summarize the issues you saw or give a link if you've posted details on this here before?

Off the top of my head

Out of spec takedown levers
Rear sight dovetails cut out of spec / too large
Dead trigger / broken trigger return spring
Back plate retention tab breaking and striker popping out the back

That last one only affects the old design has been addressed in current production.

Zero reports or claims of ADs without trigger being pulled.

Internally the 365 uses a conventional striker safety arrangement. The FCU 365 is also quite different being a casting that is finish machined vs a stamping in the 320.

[Blades]

Honestly, I’ve come to the conclusion that 15+ rnds of 9mm in anything is more weight than I want to carry. 10-12 in a 365 sized plastic gun just may be my sweet spot.


These last few weeks of hot, humid weather had me considering carrying my P365 instead of my G19. It's always hot and humid in Fayetteville so I think I'm just getting softer as I get older. We'll see if I make it through August with the G19.

[maximus83]

Zero reports or claims of ADs without trigger being pulled.

That's the bit I was most interested in, and was hoping that hadn't changed since I'd seen you post something similar to that, a year or two ago.

You also listed broken trigger return spring. Is that a frequent issue? Haven't seen it with my stable of three, or other folks I know with 365's, but that's a fairly small sample. I did used to get broken TRS on some CZ's, a really annoying issue. :cool:

[HCM]

That's the bit I was most interested in, and was hoping that hadn't changed since I'd seen you post something similar to that, a year or two ago.

You also listed broken trigger return spring. Is that a frequent issue? Haven't seen it with my stable of three, or other folks I know with 365's, but that's a fairly small sample. I did used to get broken TRS on some CZ's, a really annoying issue. :cool:

I’ve only seen one and heard of another in 365s.

We had many broken TRS in the 320, enough that SIG re-designed the spring and we retrofitted all our 320s with the new spring.

[RAM Engineer]

Honestly, I’ve come to the conclusion that 15+ rnds of 9mm in anything is more weight than I want to carry. 10-12 in a 365 sized plastic gun just may be my sweet spot.

It wasn't too long ago that 12-13 round SIG P228/P229 pistols in 9mm/.40/.357 SIG were common CC-MIL & Fed guns. They were significantly bigger and heavier than the 365, and capacity was rarely seen as an issue.

[TOTS]

It wasn't too long ago that 12-13 round SIG P228/P229 pistols in 9mm/.40/.357 SIG were common CC-MIL & Fed guns. They were significantly bigger and heavier than the 365, and capacity was rarely seen as an issue.
I’ve been carrying a P229 since 2011 and went to a M&P compact this year……because it was too heavy and large for something to carry every day.

[SouthNarc]

I’ve been carrying a P229 since 2011 and went to a M&P compact this year……because it was too heavy and large for something to carry every day.

Add a Mag Gutz +2 spring and a Tac Dev base pad and you can have a legitimate and reliable 14+1 9mm pistol in a package arguably half the size of a G19. Personally I don’t think it’s gonna get any smaller and more efficient than that.

[breakingtime91]

Add a Mag Gutz +2 spring and a Tac Dev base pad and you can have a legitimate and reliable 14+1 9mm pistol in a package arguably half the size of a G19. Personally I don’t think it’s gonna get any smaller and more efficient than that.

That's why I love the hk p2000.. just a hair smaller than a g19 and the curves conceal well.

[60167]

Exactly what I’m looking for. Now to find the cheapest way to build it!!

The crappy part is... there's no cheap alternative to the PMM comp. I got mine on sale as a blem and it still cost about $300...

[Up1911Fan]

I feel like I remember someone saying Advantage Arms was working on a kit for these? They haven't responded to my 2 emails. Anyone hear something about that? Hoping there's a standard and XL variant if so.

[RJ]

I just spent the last 60 seconds staring at a Macro mag and a P365XL mag, and the followers ARE ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT PARTS. I have had these macro mags for perhaps two years and had never looked at them that closely. What the heck. Why would they be different...?



Curiosity got the better of me, so I took them apart. Both of mine are stock, Sig mags, in use for many months. Probably 100-200 rounds through each, as a guess.

The mag tubes are essentially identical, except for:

The 17 round tube is longer (duh) but the bottom is formed at an angle. The 12 round tube is formed flat. Witness holes are punched in the rear of the Macro mag, but are on the side for the 12 rounder. Both have those two, odd, "extra" holes on the front; I have no idea what these are for.

The feed lips on the XL mag are 0.453" in length, the Macro mag's lips extend 0.552". From a feed geometry point of view, it appears the Macro mag tube would hold on to the round a bit longer through the feed cycle, maybe. I dunno.

The 17 spring has 9 coils, the 12 also has 9 coils, interestingly enough. The Macro spring is formed about 1" longer than the XL. Both mags feature bottom locking plates, that fit into the push-on basepad, from the front, but the locking plates are different parts. The Macro basepad has deeper shoulders with a more ovoid shape. The circular insertion tabs formed into the basepad appear to be the same diameter.

The spring tops "click" into the followers about the same. Slight pressure upward, then the spring top "wraps" around the follower base. The followers are not even close to being the same part. The orange follower is molded differently in quite a few areas.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I just found it interesting there were so many differences, in a couple of mags I've never given a second thought to.

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[JCS]

Curiosity got the better of me, so I took them apart. Both of mine are stock, Sig mags, in use for many months. Probably 100-200 rounds through each, as a guess.

The mag tubes are essentially identical, except for:

The 17 round tube is longer (duh) but the bottom is formed at an angle. The 12 round tube is formed flat. Witness holes are punched in the rear of the Macro mag, but are on the side for the 12 rounder. Both have those two, odd, "extra" holes on the front; I have no idea what these are for.

The feed lips on the XL mag are 0.453" in length, the Macro mag's lips extend 0.552". From a feed geometry point of view, it appears the Macro mag tube would hold on to the round a bit longer through the feed cycle, maybe. I dunno.

The 17 spring has 9 coils, the 12 also has 9 coils, interestingly enough. The Macro spring is formed about 1" longer than the XL. Both mags feature bottom locking plates, that fit into the push-on basepad, from the front, but the locking plates are different parts. The Macro basepad has deeper shoulders with a more ovoid shape. The circular insertion tabs formed into the basepad appear to be the same diameter.

The spring tops "click" into the followers about the same. Slight pressure upward, then the spring top "wraps" around the follower base. The followers are not even close to being the same part. The orange follower is molded differently in quite a few areas.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I just found it interesting there were so many differences, in a couple of mags I've never given a second thought to.

107952

See if you can’t get 17 rounds using the 12 round follower.

[jandbj]

I feel like I remember someone saying Advantage Arms was working on a kit for these? They haven't responded to my 2 emails. Anyone hear something about that? Hoping there's a standard and XL variant if so.

https://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=p365HellCat

[Up1911Fan]

https://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=p365HellCat

Thanks, not sure how well .22 is going to cycle the steel slide. If they offer the XL length I'll give one a try.

[G19Fan]

Thanks, not sure how well .22 is going to cycle the steel slide. If they offer the XL length I'll give one a try.

Unf only p365 length they said

[Up1911Fan]

Unf only p365 length they said

Just heard back directly from AA, both P365 and XL versions will be offered.

[Bergeron]

I just got in a micro-Osprey suppressor, and I'm starting to feel like these posts about the AA .22 kits will end up costing me money. ;):rolleyes:

[G19Fan]

Just heard back directly from AA, both P365 and XL versions will be offered.

Yeees! Thank you. That is ideal for me too

[G19Fan]

Just heard back directly from AA, both P365 and XL versions will be offered.

I am so curious how this will work. I will be ecstatic if it can power an xl slide plus eps carry

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Off the top of my head

Out of spec takedown levers
Rear sight dovetails cut out of spec / too large
Dead trigger / broken trigger return spring
Back plate retention tab breaking and striker popping out the back

That last one only affects the old design has been addressed in current production.

Zero reports or claims of ADs without trigger being pulled.

Internally the 365 uses a conventional striker safety arrangement. The FCU 365 is also quite different being a casting that is finish machined vs a stamping in the 320.

I thought the FCU is injection molded.

[HCM]

I thought the FCU is injection molded.

Do you mean MIM ? That’s not what I was told. Either way it’s not stamped sheet metal like the 320.

[Wonder9]

Quote Originally Posted by HCM
I can tell you we’ve had enough problems with P365 series guns that we went from allowing any P365 series (commercial or LE/IOP sourced) to only allowing LE/IOP sourced guns even with mandatory armorer inspections prior to being put into service.

I really like the 365, but it's things like this which makes me want to devest from Sig Sauer products.

[G19Fan]

I really like the 365, but it's things like this which makes me want to devest from Sig Sauer products.

Very vested personally in p365 platform but curious what the issues are.

My training gun p365 does have fte at times. Thst is what it was demoted to training (across all ammo and many diff mags)

[G19Fan]

I really like the 365, but it's things like this which makes me want to devest from Sig Sauer products.


Do you mean MIM ? That’s not what I was told. Either way it’s not stamped sheet metal like the 320.

May I ask what p365 issues have been popping up?

[HCM]

May I ask what p365 issues have been popping up?

The ones already posted up thread and in the 320 thread. Honestly I’m tired of answering the same question over and over.

When you make 1 million pistols in three years, some of them are gonna have problems.

[G19Fan]

The ones already posted up thread and in the 320 thread. Honestly I’m tired of answering the same question over and over.

When you make 1 million pistols in three years, some of them are gonna have problems.

Thanks shall check those

[D-der]

Well... I guess we're all beta tester's for mass produced gun's and pretty much everything else to hit the market these day's but if it's a pistol intended for daily carry and protection that adds another perspective, will it be 99.9%, or better reliable? Not long after CZ first introduced the P10C I sampled one in a LGS and was quite impressed, my wife gave me one for Christmas shortly there after, round #128 the rear slide plate dropped enough to cause a malfunction, back to CZ it went, when I got it back it ran fine but the trigger wasn't like that one in the shop and the mag release was still stiff, after a CGW trigger, striker, all the rest of the parts CGW offers, an Apex mag release and a little polishing over thousands of rounds, the gun has a nice smooth 4lb trigger and hasn't missed a beat since rd # 128, I learned my lesson on new models. I waited until the 365 had been out over a year (it wasn't easy) before picking one up, along the way there have been well documented issues with strikers, feed ramps, dead sights etc, I guess I've been lucky but have had no problems with my 3, the original 365 and 2 XL's, they are all in WC modules now, both XL's have Holosun's mounted and the newest one is running a PMM comp, internally all I've done is polish the strikers and replace a couple of RSA's, I have 13000-14000 rd's between them, about 8000 on my oldest XL and have had ONE malfunction with one of the XL's this last spring, don't recall which one, I looked down, wtf...empty case sitting there flat, stopping the slide, I held the slide back rolled the gun to about 100-120 degrees, the case rolled off and I carried on. I've been shooting close to 50 years,these are the only Sig's I've ever owned and likely ever will own, except maybe another 365 version / replacement when these are shot out, I've found my sample of 3 to be quite accurate and reliable. While there's no doubt a turd will float to the surface once in a while it seems these are gtg, I carry one of the XL's, or that P10 every day.

[G19Fan]

The ones already posted up thread and in the 320 thread. Honestly I’m tired of answering the same question over and over.

When you make 1 million pistols in three years, some of them are gonna have problems.


Well... I guess we're all beta tester's for mass produced gun's and pretty much everything else to hit the market these day's but if it's a pistol intended for daily carry and protection that adds another perspective, will it be 99.9%, or better reliable? Not long after CZ first introduced the P10C I sampled one in a LGS and was quite impressed, my wife gave me one for Christmas shortly there after, round #128 the rear slide plate dropped enough to cause a malfunction, back to CZ it went, when I got it back it ran fine but the trigger wasn't like that one in the shop and the mag release was still stiff, after a CGW trigger, striker, all the rest of the parts CGW offers, an Apex mag release and a little polishing over thousands of rounds, the gun has a nice smooth 4lb trigger and hasn't missed a beat since rd # 128, I learned my lesson on new models. I waited until the 365 had been out over a year (it wasn't easy) before picking one up, along the way there have been well documented issues with strikers, feed ramps, dead sights etc, I guess I've been lucky but have had no problems with my 3, the original 365 and 2 XL's, they are all in WC modules now, both XL's have Holosun's mounted and the newest one is running a PMM comp, internally all I've done is polish the strikers and replace a couple of RSA's, I have 13000-14000 rd's between them, about 8000 on my oldest XL and have had ONE malfunction with one of the XL's this last spring, don't recall which one, I looked down, wtf...empty case sitting there flat, stopping the slide, I held the slide back rolled the gun to about 100-120 degrees, the case rolled off and I carried on. I've been shooting close to 50 years,these are the only Sig's I've ever owned and likely ever will own, except maybe another 365 version / replacement when these are shot out, I've found my sample of 3 to be quite accurate and reliable. While there's no doubt a turd will float to the surface once in a while it seems these are gtg, I carry one of the XL's, or that P10 every day.

Overall agree. Carry an xl macro daily and only sig I am really interested in.

Our household has 9 and one is dedicated to training cause it has fte issues

[TOTS]

What options for trigger improvement does this platform have? I’m planning on replacing my M&P with an XL or macro but I’m spoiled with my Overwatch goodness in the M&P.

[BillSWPA]

What options for trigger improvement does this platform have? I’m planning on replacing my M&P with an XL or macro but I’m spoiled with my Overwatch goodness in the M&P.

I doubt you will find that a P365 trigger needs any improvement.

[RJ]

What options for trigger improvement does this platform have? I’m planning on replacing my M&P with an XL or macro but I’m spoiled with my Overwatch goodness in the M&P.

Owned 1 M&P FS9 1.0 with Apex, a VP9 stock, and several Glocks with an assortment of trigger bars and connectors.

So far through 4 P365’s I’ve yet seen the need to change, the OEM Sig parts are satisfactory for me. Curved vs flat seems to give perhaps a few mm more trigger reach. My X triggers are around 5 pounds.

Some report a slight movement of the FCU in the frame only felt during dry fire. I have this on a couple. I don’t worry about it because I’ve never felt it in live fire.

There’s a few spring kits out there but I have no experience. Plus breaking down a P365 FCU requires more Elvish magic than I possess at the moment. Planning to go to Armorer school at some point soon..

[D-der]

What options for trigger improvement does this platform have? I’m planning on replacing my M&P with an XL or macro but I’m spoiled with my Overwatch goodness in the M&P.

For a striker, mine have been good out of the box, dry fire and I've polished the striker's some, smooth 4.5lbs or so, my Xl with the higher round count is very smooth and lighter.

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Do you mean MIM ? That’s not what I was told. Either way it’s not stamped sheet metal like the 320.

Yes MIM . Ill defer to your info.

[G19Fan]

What options for trigger improvement does this platform have? I’m planning on replacing my M&P with an XL or macro but I’m spoiled with my Overwatch goodness in the M&P.

You won't need to improve the p365 trigger. It does everything you want a carry gun to do and very well imo

[G19Fan]

Owned 1 M&P FS9 1.0 with Apex, a VP9 stock, and several Glocks with an assortment of trigger bars and connectors.

So far through 4 P365’s I’ve yet seen the need to change, the OEM Sig parts are satisfactory for me. Curved vs flat seems to give perhaps a few mm more trigger reach. My X triggers are around 5 pounds.

Some report a slight movement of the FCU in the frame only felt during dry fire. I have this on a couple. I don’t worry about it because I’ve never felt it in live fire.

There’s a few spring kits out there but I have no experience. Plus breaking down a P365 FCU requires more Elvish magic than I possess at the moment. Planning to go to Armorer school at some point soon..

I do swap my triggers to curved but that is personal preference

[GJM]

I do swap my triggers to curved but that is personal preference

I also have a mild preference for curved, but in live fire I don't detect any difference in my performance between the two.

[G19Fan]

I also have a mild preference for curved, but in live fire I don't detect any difference in my performance between the two.

Ha you are a better shooter than I =)

I can do 93+ usually on 25 yards b8 with curved. It is usually between 88 to 93 for a flat for me.

No idea why though, but only time that I notice is distance

[HCM]

Yes MIM . Ill defer to your info.

That’s from a SIG rep but given MIMs negative light in sone parts of the gun industry he may have chosen to use the term “casting.”

I don’t think you can machine MIM

I’ll get clarification.

[RJ]

I do swap my triggers to curved but that is personal preference

I took my wife’s new P365 curved trigger and promptly put a round through the bull at 5 yards. I recall being mildly surprised. I may need to try a curved in my XL / Macro / Frankenstein gun one of these days.

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That’s from a SIG rep but given MIMs negative light in sone parts of the gun industry he may have chosen to use the term “casting.”

I don’t think you can machine MIM

I’ll get clarification.

You shouldnt have to machine mim. It should be to tolerance. Surprisingly you can weld it.

[awp_101]

After renting a 365-380 and X-Macro over the past month, I joined the XL club yesterday. I'm already looking at FCUs in case I decide to lego a second 365.

I know the grip modules are safety/no safety specific, but are the FCUs? I've seen safety kits available on GB but can I buy a non-safety FCU and install the kit like you can with M&Ps or does it have to go to someone like AB Prototype?

[maximus83]

I know the grip modules are safety/no safety specific, but are the FCUs? I've seen safety kits available on GB but can I buy a non-safety FCU and install the kit like you can with M&Ps or does it have to go to someone like AB Prototype?

FCU's are generic. You can install a safety onto--or take it off of--any FCU.

[awp_101]

FCU's are generic. You can install a safety onto--or take it off of--any FCU.

Thanks!

[awp_101]

Just got back from my first outing with the XL and I'm pretty pleased with it overall.

Based on the 2 365s I rented, I swapped the stock grip module for a WC before going to the range. To me the stock grip is like holding a broom handle (and I don't mean a C96) but shape of the WC gives me a just little more real estate to hang on to. Having said that, has anyone tried the Hogue slip on grip in conjunction with the WC module?

Also, who do we like for base plates? Not necessarily looking to add capacity, just a little more pinky room.

[G19Fan]

Just got back from my first outing with the XL and I'm pretty pleased with it overall.

Based on the 2 365s I rented, I swapped the stock grip module for a WC before going to the range. To me the stock grip is like holding a broom handle (and I don't mean a C96) but shape of the WC gives me a just little more real estate to hang on to. Having said that, has anyone tried the Hogue slip on grip in conjunction with the WC module?

Also, who do we like for base plates? Not necessarily looking to add capacity, just a little more pinky room.

I am a huge fan of the macro grip

[D-der]

Just got back from my first outing with the XL and I'm pretty pleased with it overall.

Based on the 2 365s I rented, I swapped the stock grip module for a WC before going to the range. To me the stock grip is like holding a broom handle (and I don't mean a C96) but shape of the WC gives me a just little more real estate to hang on to. Having said that, has anyone tried the Hogue slip on grip in conjunction with the WC module?

Also, who do we like for base plates? Not necessarily looking to add capacity, just a little more pinky room.

I know you're not looking to add capacity but, the Magguts kit's are well contoured, add about .25", don't really add any printing and mine run 100%, the 2 additional rd's ain't bad, even though you're not really looking for them.

[awp_101]

I am a huge fan of the macro grip
But then I'm looking at buying new 17 round mags on top of a new grip module to replace the grip module I bought to replace the factory grip module. I've been around ARs, 10/22s, Contenders and Ruger MK series pistols long enough to know how that's going to turn out...:eek:


I know you're not looking to add capacity but, the Magguts kit's are well contoured, add about .25", don't really add any printing and mine run 100%, the 2 additional rd's ain't bad, even though you're not really looking for them.
Thanks, I'll give them a look.

[Polecat]

I jope they offer a “ macro” grip for the reg P365 amd XL. Not a Macro grip, but a size appropriate design. A shorter length macro with backstraps if you will.

[G19Fan]

I jope they offer a “ macro” grip for the reg P365 amd XL. Not a Macro grip, but a size appropriate design. A shorter length macro with backstraps if you will.

Of you wanna try it with a chopped one shout.

[Blades]

Just got back from my first outing with the XL and I'm pretty pleased with it overall.

Based on the 2 365s I rented, I swapped the stock grip module for a WC before going to the range. To me the stock grip is like holding a broom handle (and I don't mean a C96) but shape of the WC gives me a just little more real estate to hang on to. Having said that, has anyone tried the Hogue slip on grip in conjunction with the WC module?

Also, who do we like for base plates? Not necessarily looking to add capacity, just a little more pinky room.

Do you have the extended baseplate 10 round magazine now, and need a bigger one?
Not my picture, found it online, the second one from the left:

https://i.imgur.com/qaEbHgh.jpg

[tlong17]

Just got back from my first outing with the XL and I'm pretty pleased with it overall.

Based on the 2 365s I rented, I swapped the stock grip module for a WC before going to the range. To me the stock grip is like holding a broom handle (and I don't mean a C96) but shape of the WC gives me a just little more real estate to hang on to. Having said that, has anyone tried the Hogue slip on grip in conjunction with the WC module?

Also, who do we like for base plates? Not necessarily looking to add capacity, just a little more pinky room.

The hogue grip sleeve is decent for shooting. I find that it severely impedes my ability to draw quickly though. The single finger groove and stickier texture make it hard obtain my firing grip. That was enough to exclude it as an option. This is when carrying AIWB. No experience with it in any other carry position.

[awp_101]

Do you have the extended baseplate 10 round magazine now, and need a bigger one?


No, this came with flush fit 12 round mags like this:

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[Blades]

No, this came with flush fit 12 round mags like this:

108860

I apologize. You have the XL, but I'm betting the finger extension can be used on the XL magazine.

[RJ]

I jope they offer a “ macro” grip for the reg P365 amd XL. Not a Macro grip, but a size appropriate design. A shorter length macro with backstraps if you will.

I agree. Bring back the 15 round mags, slightly shorter Macro grip, XL slide…it’d be a winner.

[Up1911Fan]

I agree. Bring back the 15 round mags, slightly shorter Macro grip, XL slide…it’d be a winner.

The 15's and 17's are almost exactly the same length.

[RJ]

The 15's and 17's are almost exactly the same length.

Ja, true, I probably should have said a new 15 round mag slightly shorter than the current 17s. Maybe a flush fitting 15, thinking about it. That would be nice if it fit into a new macro grip module that's a bit shorter; kinda like a USPc vs USP kind of thing.

But IDK if that's likely; more probably going to see the new XXL slide before that.

[awp_101]

I apologize. You have the XL, but I'm betting the finger extension can be used on the XL magazine.

No problem! I think SIG has almost as many magazine options as they do finish options.🤣

I’m looking at the Tactical Development baseplates as an option, especially since they can be combined with the Magguts kit.

I’ll probably try some factory plates as well just to see what’s possible.

[Up1911Fan]

Ja, true, I probably should have said a new 15 round mag slightly shorter than the current 17s. Maybe a flush fitting 15, thinking about it. That would be nice if it fit into a new macro grip module that's a bit shorter; kinda like a USPc vs USP kind of thing.

But IDK if that's likely; more probably going to see the new XXL slide before that.

I have a pair of Macro module's I had Boresight chop for the 12 round mags that's pretty much become my personal ultimate carry gun. I'm also really looking forward to a pair of XL-Macro's when they get released.

[Beat Trash]

I have a pair of Macro module's I had Boresight chop for the 12 round mags that's pretty much become my personal ultimate carry gun. I'm also really looking forward to a pair of XL-Macro's when they get released.

What is the XL-Macro?

[Up1911Fan]

What is the XL-Macro?

What I'm assuming Sig is going to call the longslide Macro. It was teased back around SHOT Show time.
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[RJ]

What is the XL-Macro?

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/10/ausa-22-evolution-of-sig-p365/

Edit See Up1911Fan pic above.

[Beat Trash]

Thanks guys.

[jh9]

Anyone have a link to a video showing detail FCU disassembly/reassembly for these? There are plenty on youtube but I don't know what I don't know and separating videos of the The Correct Way and clowns without makeup isn't obvious to me.

Paid DVD would be fine too.

[Norville]

Anyone have a link to a video showing detail FCU disassembly/reassembly for these? There are plenty on youtube but I don't know what I don't know and separating videos of the The Correct Way and clowns without makeup isn't obvious to me.

Paid DVD would be fine too.

I used one of these, maybe the replacement spring kit video:


https://www.sigguy.com/how-to-videos

[CarloMNL]

This one helped me a ton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnSRXDGudbA