New Federal Hydra-Shok Deep

[Tokarev]

Interesting.

Wasn't Hornady the first to offer a defensive 135gr 9mm? It must be a good practical weight between 124 and 147 as Federal is now offering a new "Hydra-Shok Deep" with a 135gr bullet.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/01/federal-premium-release-new-hydra-shok-ammo/#axzz53LqaxV9N

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[lyodbraun]

That hollow point tip looks just like the hornady critical duty round with the polymer plug taken out, interesting new round I'll get some and test but stick with my 147g+P HST...

[Totem Polar]

Paging DocGKR...

My initial impression is to keep on keeping on with my preference for 124 GDHP, but I hope somebody wakes me if Federal puts out a 135 deep in .38+P. I’ve been waiting for a modern reboot of the 147+P+ Hydra-Shok to no avail; sounds like they might have a chance to do something good for the old .38 Special if they don’t cock it up. I haven’t been motivated to get up off the couch for the 130 HST yet.

An up-powered 135 deep competitor to the 135 GDHP in .357 mag could also be cool. They could call it the "balls deep."

[WDR]

Just looking at the unsupported jacket at the tip... I'm guessing it wont fare well against hard barriers like glass or steel. I could be wrong, but that is my guess. It looks like this will probably be more geared towards the self defense market than the LE market. Probably hoping to capitalize on the well known HydraShock name. I don't understand "why" they'd bother ... when they have a bunch of HST bullets that perform really well. But new stuff sells.

ETA: The dual cannelures do look like they'd help keep the jacket and core together, similar to Critical Duty and HST

[Tokarev]

Just looking at the unsupported jacket at the tip... I'm guessing it wont fare well against hard barriers like glass or steel. I could be wrong, but that is my guess. It looks like this will probably be more geared towards the self defense market than the LE market. Probably hoping to capitalize on the well known HydraShock name. I don't understand "why" they'd bother ... when they have a bunch of HST bullets that perform really well. But new stuff sells.

ETA: The dual cannelures do look like they'd help keep the jacket and core together, similar to Critical Duty and HSTSome HST 147 has a dual cannelure. I wonder if this doesn't help reduce pressure by relieving some surface area. Or it could be there to help lock the jacket and core together.

It seems somewhat odd to me that Federal still loads the Hydra when the HST is such a good design. It would seem counterproductive to have a load that's a direct competitor to the HST. What does the Hydra-Shok offer that the HST does not?

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[Sigfan26]

Interesting.

Wasn't Hornady the first to offer a defensive 135gr 9mm? It must be a good practical weight between 124 and 147 as Federal is now offering a new "Hydra-Shok Deep" with a 135gr bullet.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/01/federal-premium-release-new-hydra-shok-ammo/#axzz53LqaxV9N

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Federal was the first (to my knowledge) with this traditional Hydra Shock loaf
https://www.luckygunner.com/9-mm-135-gr-jhp-hydra-shok-federal-20-rounds


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[DocGKR]

The first 9 mm 135 gr load was the 9 mm Federal Tactical bonded load:

9mm Fed 135 gr +P JHP LE9T5 (lot #3 24T318) S&W 5906

Bare: VEL = 1070 f/s PEN = 16.0” RD = 0.58” RL = 0.36” RW = 126.6 gr

Denim: VEL = 1067 f/s PEN = 16.3” RD = 0.55” RL = 0.45” RW = 134.0 gr

[voodoo_man]

"Deep"

Why not just use a flat nose 147gr round at this point which you know will over penetrate...?

[Mitchell, Esq.]

ATK owns Federal & Speer so is it really shocking that there is technology bleeding from one product line to another?

Hydrashock is getting upgraded...

We live in an age of frame lock Emerson knives available in Walmart, surefire lights available on amazon, reliable handguns available for $275 (S&W Shield) & hydrashock coming into the 21st century!

An age of wonderful things.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Some HST 147 has a dual cannelure. I wonder if this doesn't help reduce pressure by relieving some surface area. Or it could be there to help lock the jacket and core together.

It seems somewhat odd to me that Federal still loads the Hydra when the HST is such a good design. It would seem counterproductive to have a load that's a direct competitor to the HST. What does the Hydra-Shok offer that the HST does not?

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Name recognition.

[GyroF-16]

Name recognition.

I second this.
The ammo on the shelves at two gun store/ranges where I shoot has little, if any HST or Gold Dot, but always has HydraShock. I’m thinking that they stock what sells- and all us old guys who came of age in the 80’s and 90’s recognize the HydraShock name. Were it not for this forum, I probably still wouldn’t know any better.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Lest we forget.....HST = Hi-Shok Two

http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50-round-box-9mm-luger-federal-classic-hi-shok-115-grain-jhp-hollow-point-9bp

[Wayne Dobbs]

More marketing to a market that's not so profitable these days. I've seen such great results from 124 +P HST and 147 HST that I don't think I'll be changing anytime soon. The same can be said about the 124 +P GDHP.

[wrinkles]

Is it just me or wouldn't that big honking cone at the tip of the expanded bullet cause it to act more like a round nose and crush less tissue? That would also explain why in penetrates deeper.

[valian]

Is it just me or wouldn't that big honking cone at the tip of the expanded bullet cause it to act more like a round nose and crush less tissue? That would also explain why in penetrates deeper.

I believe Dr. Fackler found similar issues with the post of original Fed. hydrashock ammunition

[lyodbraun]

Is it just me or wouldn't that big honking cone at the tip of the expanded bullet cause it to act more like a round nose and crush less tissue? That would also explain why in penetrates deeper.

Quite the opposite, I've tested critical duty which looks identical to the new federal round as far as the opening without the polymer plug, and it works very well even going through barriers such as heavy clothing..

[Tokarev]

It looks like the ammo is available.

https://youtu.be/XcJJaga_nYw

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[5pins]

I wonder how it will do with clothing?

[Tokarev]

I wonder how it will do with clothing?Good question. Especially at 935 fps from the Shield.

I often wonder why these YouTube reviews don't include at least one or two rounds through either the FBI or IWBA clothing test. As we all know, the clothing barrier can turn a stellar performer into an FMJ in no time.

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[DocGKR]

Perhaps because most YouTube ammo reviews are not in any way legitimate ammo tests...

[critter]

I definitely get the desire to improve ammo performance. That's definitely cool looking ammunition, and it may perform a tad better. MSRP $27.95 for 20, certainly the street price will remain well over a buck per cartridge -- I've been known to blow money on stuff, but... LEO contracts may be a different story.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/uMcfz1Awmic

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/8EKfiu8vLZU

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[witchking777]

How does this do in the rest of the FBI Protocol tests? With a great and proven round like the 147 gr HST,I fail to see what the point of this is.

[lyodbraun]

How does this do in the rest of the FBI Protocol tests? With a great and proven round like the 147 gr HST,I fail to see what the point of this is.

According to federal the new round passes all protocols of the testing, I wanna get a box to give it a try... the tips of this new round look identical to a hornady critical duty round with out the polymer tip which I've been testing and has done very well through layers of material I had,

[Zhukov]

I just don't get it. Federal has a superbly-performing bullet in the HST. Why would they monkey with a new design? Marketing is the obvious answer, but I hate the idea of them pushing what is a potentially inferior design.

[JHC]

The reason for it might be interest in it for agency contracts. I carry HST in 3 service calibers but it's generally on the low half of the 12-18" scale generally isn't it?

I would rank 2-3" of penetration in test mediums higher than one or a few hundreths of an inch difference in expansion myself.

Whether the new product can deliver that I IDK.

[Tokarev]

I just don't get it. Federal has a superbly-performing bullet in the HST. Why would they monkey with a new design? Marketing is the obvious answer, but I hate the idea of them pushing what is a potentially inferior design.The video I linked (post number 23) covered some of the design thoughts that went into this new bullet.

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[JHC]

The video I linked (post number 23) covered some of the design thoughts that went into this new bullet.

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Had I stopped to listen to that first I would not have speculated to the point I did in my previous point. It seemed clear from that interview the target is civilian self defense and barriers was less emphasized than the denim/clothing test. He says as much (Mr. Laack)

Thanks!

[5pins]

Anybody see this for sale any place?

[lyodbraun]

Was also wondering if anyone has this new hydroshock deepn stock or know where to find some, ?

[5pins]

Another gel test, this time with a short barrel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygu7-JjX0gg

[LtDave]

Was also wondering if anyone has this new hydroshock deepn stock or know where to find some, ?
A little necro, but BangItAmmo apparently has it in stock at $1.00/round.

Wikiarms AmmoEngine is a pretty good search tool.

[vicious_cb]

Another gel test, this time with a short barrel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygu7-JjX0gg

Thats actually pretty impressive, resists plugging and still offers decent expansion from a short barrel none the less.

[5pins]

A little necro, but BangItAmmo apparently has it in stock at $1.00/round.

Wikiarms AmmoEngine is a pretty good search tool.

Anybody ever order from them?

[JHC]

Just posted to TFB. The service pistol test.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/17/federal-goes-deep-9mm-135gr-hydrashok-deep-service-pistol-gel-test/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I-vL9ZPoTo

[Tokarev]

http://www.general-cartridge.com/blog/federal-9mm-135gr-hydra-shok-deep-in-clear-ballistics-gel

Another recent test.

If I can ever find a box locally I'll try it against auto glass.

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[DocGKR]

I am failing to see why this would be better than other vetted loads, such as HST, GD, Win bonded, Barnes, Critical Duty, etc...

[El Cid]

I am failing to see why this would be better than other vetted loads, such as HST, GD, Win bonded, Barnes, Critical Duty, etc...

New hotness disease. ;)