Canada’s Police Guns 2018: Blue Line Magazine Survey

[Wendell]

The following highlights are from an article dated Dec. 15 on the website (https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/duty-firearms-2018-new-trends-in-police-and-law-enforcement-guns-and-ammo-5051) of Blue Line, which covers police and law enforcement. The results are based on the magazine’s Canada-wide surveys. View the whole December 2017 issue here (http://magazine.blueline.ca/publication/?i=457349#{"issue_id":457349,"page":1}).
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Glock GmbH dominates the market for Canadian police handguns and is attracting agencies faster than any other company, a survey by Blue Line magazine showed. Colt Canada Corp. supplies police with the most AR-15 rifles, and the most-popular police shotgun is the Remington 870.

11 departments have followed or will follow the Ontario Provincial Police (https://thegunblog.ca/2017/06/16/ontario-police-pick-glock-17m-as-pistol-to-start-service-in-2018/) in switching to the Glock 17M in 9 mm.

Glock has almost doubled its market share in the past decade. The Austrian company will equip about 75 percent of agencies next year, compared with 38 percent in 2007.

Beretta Holding SpA had 19 percent of market a decade ago, and will have about 1 percent in 2018. Canada Border Services Agency uses Beretta PX4 Storm in 9 mm, but prohibits many agents from carrying one because of quality issues.

Smith & Wesson Corp. had 15 percent market share in 2007 and about 3 percent next year. Peel Regional Police and Windsor police, both in Ontario, use the company’s M&P line for Military & Police. (The RCMP, Canada’s largest police agency, use an S&W model as their general-issue sidearm.)
Canada’s Police Guns 2018: Blue Line Magazine Survey
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[Wendell]

Duty firearms 2018 - New trends in police and law enforcement guns and ammo
B/L December 15, 2017 By Dave Brown (https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/duty-firearms-2018-new-trends-in-police-and-law-enforcement-guns-and-ammo-5051)
<https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/duty-firearms-2018-new-trends-in-police-and-law-enforcement-guns-and-ammo-5051>

[TheNewbie]

Thanks for posting. Canadian law enforcement is interesting to me. I would like to know how often officers there get to carry off duty.

Another interesting thing I would like to know is how deep the supply of 5906/3913 and parts is.

[Wendell]

Thanks for posting. Canadian law enforcement is interesting to me. I would like to know how often officers there get to carry off duty.

The law provides for it. (See The RCMP Act and the respective provincial Police Acts.) In short, if your management allows you to do it, then you're allowed to do it; if your management doesn't allow you to do it, you'd need a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL), and your own firearm(s), and a valid Authorization to Carry (ATC), just like anybody else. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm

Winnipeg has announced that it is going to allow it's members to carry between home and work, and they stated at the time that some members had been followed home. Former Toronto Chief Bill Blair once came under criticism after it was revealed that he'd allowed a female subordinate (with whom he'd had a sexual relationship) to carry (24/7), apparently because they'd both been concerned about her safety. A former Nova Scotia Justice Minister was once a police chief in Pictou County; while still working in that LE capacity he once made an official complaint about an RCMP member carrying (while off-duty) in his jurisdiction; one of his subordinates had reported witnessing an RCMP member, out running, drop the handgun in public. This complaint was reported in the media, but the outcome of the complaint was not revealed. Whether that particular RCMP member was 'allowed' or 'not allowed' (to do what he was alleged to have done) is unknown.

Most agencies won't comment publicly on their policies, so there's no way to know unless you happen to know.

Public support seems to be lacking for the concept. This year there was a petition on the issue - petition e-982 (https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/En/Petition/Details?Petition=e-982) - but it received only 810 signatures.

Out of all the police officers, all of their wives, all of their friends, all of their relatives, and all of the public, from all of Canada, just eight hundred and ten signed the petition. Can you believe that?

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/En/Petition/Details?Petition=e-982


Another interesting thing I would like to know is how deep the supply of 5906/3913 and parts is.

See this post (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19174-RCMP-training-in-wake-of-Moncton-shootings&p=687733&viewfull=1#post687733). Entry number three. (They paid S&W over a million dollars in 2016.) https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19174-RCMP-training-in-wake-of-Moncton-shootings&p=687733&viewfull=1#post687733

[GardoneVT]

Out of all the police officers, all of their wives, all of their friends, all of their relatives, and all of the public, from all of Canada, just eight hundred and ten signed the petition. Can you believe that?

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/En/Petition/Details?Petition=e-982


I can. There'd probably be even fewer signatures in New England for a similar petition.

[DpdG]

Say what you will about New England, and it is very warranted for the southern half, but the northern half (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) are all constitutional carry states. In addition, the firearms manufacturing sector is a critical component of the NH economy. ME has a significant element of firearms manufacturing as well.

As to our friendly maple eating neighbors to the north- they march to the beat of a different drummer named Tim Horton. Just don’t insult Gretzky or Don Cherry.

[Larry Sellers]

Say what you will about New England, and it is very warranted for the southern half, but the northern half (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) are all constitutional carry states. In addition, the firearms manufacturing sector is a critical component of the NH economy. ME has a significant element of firearms manufacturing as well.

As to our friendly maple eating neighbors to the north- they march to the beat of a different drummer named Tim Horton. Just don’t insult Gretzky or Don Cherry.Or their beer.

I'm from CT..... Guns here cause a massive divide at every family function, let alone carrying one.

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[LJP]

Or their beer.

I'm from CT..... Guns here cause a massive divide at every family function, let alone carrying one.

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Indeed. Seems CT legislature has done everything in their power to drive the gun industry out of the state. I live in CT, but I sure as hell don’t claim it as “home.”


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[Wendell]

The Ontario Provincial Police is about to become the first major police agency in North America to equip all of its uniformed officers with the next generation handgun — the Glock Model 17M.
<https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/moving-to-the-next-generation-handgun-5053>

Blue Line December 15, 2017 (https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/moving-to-the-next-generation-handgun-5053)
Moving to the ‘next generation’ handgun
(https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/moving-to-the-next-generation-handgun-5053) (https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/moving-to-the-next-generation-handgun-5053)By OPP Fleet Supply & Weapons Services Bureau (https://www.blueline.ca/news/features/moving-to-the-next-generation-handgun-5053)

[Willard]

I'm most interested in this from OP: "Canada Border Services Agency uses Beretta PX4 Storm in 9 mm, but prohibits many agents from carrying one because of quality issues."

[Wendell]

...This year there was a petition on the issue - petition e-982 (https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/En/Petition/Details?Petition=e-982) - but it received only 810 signatures...

The federal government has posted it's reply (to petition e-982 (https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/En/Petition/Details?Petition=e-982)) here (http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-982/421-01973_PS_E.pdf): <http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-982/421-01973_PS_E.pdf>


The Government is committed to ensuring that law enforcement officers have the resources and support they need to protect Canadians and themselves.

Under the Criminal Code, public officers such as police officers are exempted from criminal offences related to the possession of firearms for the purpose of their duties or employment.

Like all Canadians, off-duty or retired police officers can obtain a firearms licence by fulfilling the requirements laid out in the Firearms Act.

As part of continuing efforts to ensure its officers are properly supported in their task of keeping Canadians safe, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) is working to implement several key changes to its operating policy.

These changes include ensuring that: whenever possible, a long barreled weapon is in the police vehicle while on duty; firearms are stored with sufficient ammunition; shotguns are fitted with slings to enhance their deployment and safety; RCMP officers are provided with enhanced training related to firearms use; and the deployment of patrol carbines across the Force is expedited.

With respect to backup firearms, upon graduation, in addition to the RCMP service pistol, RCMP officers are qualified to use the RCMP duty shotgun and the RCMP patrol carbine. When responding to high risk calls for service, based on a risk assessment model, members may respond with an approved firearm in addition to their duty pistol; which by default becomes their backup firearm.

Importantly, the RCMP is now graduating more new officers than it has in years. There are 1,152 graduating cadets this year and 1,280 cadets due to graduate next year. This is more than triple the number of graduating cadets in 2013-2014.

Our Government will also bring together experts, practitioners, front-line personnel, and decision makers for a Summit on Gun and Gang Violence in March 2018. This conference will be an unprecedented opportunity devoted to the challenges, potential solutions and best practices in the fight against gun crime and in combating the deadly effects of gangs and illegal guns in communities across Canada. We hope to hear from many participants, including law enforcement agencies, provincial, territorial and municipal governments, community and mental health organizations, and Indigenous and non-governmental organizations.

In addition, our Government has committed $327.6 million over five years and $100 million ongoing to provide needed support to communities and law enforcement. Our Government will continue working collaboratively with stakeholders as we take reasonable and effective actions to achieve our goal of supporting law enforcement as they continue to keep Canadians safe.


<http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-982/421-01973_PS_E.pdf>