PX4 Solid Steel Trigger, PSA

[LangdonTactical]

OK, I have to put this out there. I was waiting on Beretta so say something, but someone reached out to me again this morning about putting a solid steel trigger in their PX4.

I have broken two of them so far, both in PX4 Compacts, and just saw another one break in Chris Baker's PX4 two weeks ago.

I have found out that Beretta Italy does not make these triggers. They are made by a third-party vendor. While they do tend to improve the trigger pull a little in DA, I would personally not trust them in a duty/defense type gun.

I am not sure if Beretta will make an announcement about this as they do not put them in production guns and they list it as a competition part on their website. I have notified them about the issue and they are looking into the problem.

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Chris Baker's gun

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[DAB]

Cheap metal?

[LangdonTactical]

Cheap metal?

Yeah, I don't know. Not sure how it is even constructed.

[beenalongtime]

This makes me wonder........

The PX4 Storm compact carry, in the released model contains the COMPETITION trigger group. Should it have been named the competition carry then, rather then the compact carry? (it is marketed as a self defense EDC gun)
I realize parts can be defective, no matter who manufactures them (and this would be interesting to see if the problem is found). Just not sure how the competition argument lies, since another competition part is in a production gun.

[Bodhi]

Major league PITA for me as now I have to have mine removed. Another hour long trip each way to my smith, and a longer time until I can use the pistols. Wish I would have known.

Thanks for putting this out there publicly.

[MSparks909]

This makes me wonder........

The PX4 Storm compact carry, in the released model contains the COMPETITION trigger group. Should it have been named the competition carry then, rather then the compact carry? (it is marketed as a self defense EDC gun)
I realize parts can be defective, no matter who manufactures them (and this would be interesting to see if the problem is found). Just not sure how the competition argument lies, since another competition part is in a production gun.

The metal trigger is NOT a part of the competition trigger group. No need to worry.

[Willard]

This makes me wonder........

The PX4 Storm compact carry, in the released model contains the COMPETITION trigger group. Should it have been named the competition carry then, rather then the compact carry? (it is marketed as a self defense EDC gun)
I realize parts can be defective, no matter who manufactures them (and this would be interesting to see if the problem is found). Just not sure how the competition argument lies, since another competition part is in a production gun.

See post 2497 this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19/page250

[Doc_Glock]

OK, I have to put this out there. I was waiting on Beretta so say something, but someone reached out to me again this morning about putting a solid steel trigger in their PX4.

I have broken two of them so far, both in PX4 Compacts, and just saw another one break in Chris Baker's PX4 two weeks ago.


Thank you Ernest. Great example of ethics in an industry that can be far from ethical.

[LangdonTactical]

This makes me wonder........

The PX4 Storm compact carry, in the released model contains the COMPETITION trigger group. Should it have been named the competition carry then, rather then the compact carry? (it is marketed as a self defense EDC gun)
I realize parts can be defective, no matter who manufactures them (and this would be interesting to see if the problem is found). Just not sure how the competition argument lies, since another competition part is in a production gun.

Because the trigger group has been put into guns and put through a full validation test. The Competition Trigger group is basically the same trigger group that goes into the SD model guns. Factory part and factory-built at Beretta Italy. The steel trigger is made by a third party and not really a factory part. Very few people will ever have an issue with the part as they are not putting the round counts up that I do or that is done on a validation test at Beretta Italy.

All that said, I don't want it to happen to someone at the wrong time. So I am putting it out there so that people will know.

[LangdonTactical]

See post 2497 this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19/page250

Yes, I have put this out there before. It is not really new information.

Since I was asked about it again in a PM, I thought it was time to make sure people knew for sure since it is clear everyone has not read all of the PX4 Compact Thread.

[LangdonTactical]

Major league PITA for me as now I have to have mine removed. Another hour long trip each way to my smith, and a longer time until I can use the pistols. Wish I would have known.

Thanks for putting this out there publicly.

Yeah, I know it sucks. The info has been out there since at least July of this year. I have been telling people for a little longer than that.

[Bodhi]

Yeah, I know it sucks. The info has been out there since at least July of this year. I have been telling people for a little longer than that.

I understand but Beretta should not be selling a known defective part in October, November, or December if the info was out in July of this year. The part should have been pulled immediately upon notification instead of continuing to sell a part that renders the pistol inoperable. God forbid you needed to use the pistol in a defensive sitstuion. You’d be fresh out of luck with slow singing and flower bringing. Actually pretty pathetic on their part to keep selling it.

[MattyD380]

Thanks for the heads up, Ernest. The steel trigger was kinda on my radar--something I might have considered. Not anymore.

[Screwball]

I was actually looking at one the other day... but got sidetracked.

Thanks for the heads up. [emoji106]

[beenalongtime]

The metal trigger is NOT a part of the competition trigger group. No need to worry.
Never said it was. Your missing the subtlety of the argument.


Because the trigger group has been put into guns and put through a full validation test. The Competition Trigger group is basically the same trigger group that goes into the SD model guns. Factory part and factory-built at Beretta Italy. The steel trigger is made by a third party and not really a factory part. Very few people will ever have an issue with the part as they are not putting the round counts up that I do or that is done on a validation test at Beretta Italy.

All that said, I don't want it to happen to someone at the wrong time. So I am putting it out there so that people will know.



I understand but Beretta should not be selling a known defective part in October, November, or December if the info was out in July of this year. The part should have been pulled immediately upon notification instead of continuing to sell a part that renders the pistol inoperable. God forbid you needed to use the pistol in a defensive sitstuion. You’d be fresh out of luck with slow singing and flower bringing. Actually pretty pathetic on their part to keep selling it.

Beretta puts there name on it and sells it through their site. They do NOT uniformly use the "legalese" competition, since the term is in production use "defense weapons". I really do thank you for putting it out there, I just think that Beretta is falling down on how it is currently done. I should NOT have been able to buy it from them then. (installed in the my version compact carry, while I am awaiting the parts getting treated, it should be removed from site and gun and I should receive a refund, IMHO)

[breakingtime91]

Never said it was. Your missing the subtlety of the argument.






Beretta puts there name on it and sells it through their site. They do NOT uniformly use the "legalese" competition, since the term is in production use "defense weapons". I really do thank you for putting it out there, I just think that Beretta is falling down on how it is currently done. I should NOT have been able to buy it from them then. (installed in the my version compact carry, while I am awaiting the parts getting treated, it should be removed from site and gun and I should receive a refund, IMHO)

maybe I am an idiot but I am completely missing your argument. This trigger, that obviously has issues, is not sold with the compact carry and it in no way links to the competition trigger kit.. Are you saying you bought the trigger and put it in your gun so now you want a refund?

[beenalongtime]

Reread the first post.

EL is saying that because it is sold as a COMPETITION part, it should not be used in a self defense gun. (legal argument)
EL and Beretta, combined and created what is sold as a self defense gun, with a COMPETITION part (no not the trigger, but the trigger group).
They mooted the competition argument.
By selling it with their name on it, through THEIR site (not a third parties), they IMHO (IANAL), mooted safety parts of any argument, and it should be recalled.

I have multiple PX4's and the one it is in, was being built as my version of the compact carry (I require different sights, and not a fan of the grey). So this would have been a competition and back up gun, and will have to be modified back, when the parts get back from the coater.

[breakingtime91]

Reread the first post.

EL is saying that because it is sold as a COMPETITION part, it should not be used in a self defense gun. (legal argument)
EL and Beretta, combined and created what is sold as a self defense gun, with a COMPETITION part (no not the trigger, but the trigger group).
They mooted the competition argument.
By selling it with their name on it, through THEIR site (not a third parties), they IMHO (IANAL), mooted safety parts of any argument, and it should be recalled.

I have multiple PX4's and the one it is in, was being built as my version of the compact carry (I require different sights, and not a fan of the grey). So this would have been a competition and back up gun, and will have to be modified back, when the parts get back from the coater.

Ya man, not tracking what your saying. The competition trigger group is a designation that everyone ordering the gun knew before ordering it. They didn't hide it, misrepresent it, or categorize it any fashion that hid this from costumers. He simply states he would not use this steel trigger in his carry guns because of the breakages he has seen. Your connection is really odd and honestly I do not follow. Apparently your making connections that I can't see or logically follow.


Also rereading his post, again for the fourth time, he never says what you are supposedly pointing to as the smoking gun.

[GJM]

In my experience, especially nuanced forum arguments are most interesting only to those making them. The obvious point, which is not nuanced at all, is don’t use this trigger in a pistol you would rely on to save your life!

[MSparks909]

Never said it was. Your missing the subtlety of the argument.

Beretta puts there name on it and sells it through their site. They do NOT uniformly use the "legalese" competition, since the term is in production use "defense weapons". I really do thank you for putting it out there, I just think that Beretta is falling down on how it is currently done. I should NOT have been able to buy it from them then. (installed in the my version compact carry, while I am awaiting the parts getting treated, it should be removed from site and gun and I should receive a refund, IMHO)

I get what you’re saying. At least I think I do. Sometimes manufacturers screw up. I think asking for refund is a bit much and is a far stretch. Take the trigger out and roll on...life is too short to obsess over who’s right/wrong/competition/defense, etc. in situations such as these.

[beenalongtime]

Ya man, not tracking what your saying. The competition trigger group is a designation that everyone ordering the gun knew before ordering it. They didn't hide it, misrepresent it, or categorize it any fashion that hid this from costumers. He simply states he would not use this steel trigger in his carry guns because of the breakages he has seen. Your connection is really odd and honestly I do not follow. Apparently your making connections that I can't see or logically follow.


Also rereading his post, again for the fourth time, he never says what you are supposedly pointing to as the smoking gun.

"they list it as a competition part on their website" The sentence where the language confusion is.


is don’t use this trigger in a pistol you would rely on to save your life!

And that is the part I appreciate, only consider this after the fact.

[LangdonTactical]

I understand but Beretta should not be selling a known defective part in October, November, or December if the info was out in July of this year. The part should have been pulled immediately upon notification instead of continuing to sell a part that renders the pistol inoperable. God forbid you needed to use the pistol in a defensive sitstuion. You’d be fresh out of luck with slow singing and flower bringing. Actually pretty pathetic on their part to keep selling it.

So in Beretta's defense, it would be a strong statement to say that it is a "known defective part". I know of exactly three of these triggers that have broken. I don't know how many of these Beretta has sold in the years it has been on the website. At what point it is considered a "known defective part" is a question I cannot answer for Beretta and not my decision to make.

For my part, I have seen three broken ones in the last two years. That is enough for me to recommend that serious users not put them on guns they need to rely on for duty or defense type use.

I notified Beretta about all three, and from what I know those are the only three that they have heard of to date.

Again, that is enough for me to not recommend. But to say that it is a "know defective part" for Beretta is a different issue altogether.

[Bodhi]

So in Beretta's defense, it would be a strong statement to say that it is a "known defective part". I know of exactly three of these triggers that have broken. I don't know how many of these Beretta has sold in the years it has been on the website. At what point it is considered a "known defective part" is a question I cannot answer for Beretta and not my decision to make.

For my part, I have seen three broken ones in the last two years. That is enough for me to recommend that serious users not put them on guns they need to rely on for duty or defense type use.

I notified Beretta about all three, and from what I know those are the only three that they have heard of to date.

Again, that is enough for me to not recommend. But to say that it is a "know defective part" for Beretta is a different issue altogether.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. To me if you notified them that you had seen, as a professional trainer and known pistol expert, three different examples broken, rendering the pistol inoperable....well that’s enough to me to pull the part from sale, especially given that it’s a third party manufactured part. It doesn’t sound like they did any testing of their own nor paid it much of any mind. That’s the issue I have. Mine were recent purchases so we’ll see how they handle the return. I’ve invested a fair amount of money into this platform in recent months. 3 pistols, 40 magazines, and various parts, so prime time to see their CS at work.

Nothing stated that it’s made by a third party either and it should probably state that.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-solid-steel-trigger/c5g270/

[LangdonTactical]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. To me if you notified them that you had seen, as a professional trainer and known pistol expert, three different examples broken, rendering the pistol inoperable....well that’s enough to me to pull the part from sale, especially given that it’s a third party manufactured part. It doesn’t sound like they did any testing of their own nor paid it much of any mind. That’s the issue I have. Mine were recent purchases so we’ll see how they handle the return. I’ve invested a fair amount of money into this platform in recent months. 3 pistols, 40 magazines, and various parts, so prime time to see their CS at work.

Nothing stated that it’s made by a third party either and it should probably state that.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-solid-steel-trigger/c5g270/

LOL, that is almost funny. If the industry took me that seriously many, many companies have dropped the ball on not issuing recalls or stopping production.

How long did Glock make 19s after I broke a slide.?
How long did Glock make 19s after I broke a frame rail off?
How long did Smith make M&Ps after I cracked a barrel? Could not get a 9mm to shoot well? Trigger reset issues? (the list is too long)
How long did Sig make 220s after I broke the disassembly latch.?
How long did Sig make 220STs with an internal extractor after I found out they did not work very long?

The third trigger was exactly two weeks ago, and if you notice on your link that you placed here, they are "out of stock". Maybe, just maybe they are looking into it, and that would be a much faster response than I have seen from any other company in this industry to issues that I have raised.

To my knowledge, no one else on this forum has had this issue happen, and there are a bunch of solid steel PX4 triggers out there. I get that you are pissed off, and you have the right to be. But I was trying to make sure people are aware of a potential issue so that no one has this happen at a bad time, including you. In fact, it may never happen to you or any of your triggers. It was a warning for everyone based on what I have seen. If I am a company, I am not going to refund your money because someone else had a problem. Think about that please before you raise a stink at Beretta and cause an issue. I can just hear the conversation with customer service now "Ernest said your triggers break, so give me my money back!" I cannot wait to have that conversation with Beretta about the problems I am causing for customer service.

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut and not give a warning like this? I am truly impressed with the PX4 and with Beretta. This trigger and the fact that Beretta sells it on their website is not going to change that fact.

I am hard on guns, that is basically my job right now. I break things that no one has ever seen break. And sometimes that means I get ignored the first time I break something.

Beretta as a company test and validates their guns more than any other company that I have seen or worked with. And there have been quite a few in the last 20 years.

[holmes168]

I'd guess that Mr. Langdon probably has a much better probability of breaking a trigger than 99.9% of the general public. I really appreciate his comments- I really like the PX4!

[Bodhi]

LOL, that is almost funny. If the industry took me that seriously many, many companies have dropped the ball on not issuing recalls or stopping production.

How long did Glock make 19s after I broke a slide.?
How long did Glock make 19s after I broke a frame rail off?
How long did Smith make M&Ps after I cracked a barrel? Could not get a 9mm to shoot well? Trigger reset issues? (the list is too long)
How long did Sig make 220s after I broke the disassembly latch.?
How long did Sig make 220STs with an internal extractor after I found out they did not work very long?

The third trigger was exactly two weeks ago, and if you notice on your link that you placed here, they are "out of stock". Maybe, just maybe they are looking into it, and that would be a much faster response than I have seen from any other company in this industry to issues that I have raised.

To my knowledge, no one else on this forum has had this issue happen, and there are a bunch of solid steel PX4 triggers out there. I get that you are pissed off, and you have the right to be. But I was trying to make sure people are aware of a potential issue so that no one has this happen at a bad time, including you. In fact, it may never happen to you or any of your triggers. It was a warning for everyone based on what I have seen. If I am a company, I am not going to refund your money because someone else had a problem. Think about that please before you raise a stink at Beretta and cause an issue. I can just hear the conversation with customer service now "Ernest said your triggers break, so give me my money back!" I cannot wait to have that conversation with Beretta about the problems I am causing for customer service.

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut and not give a warning like this? I am truly impressed with the PX4 and with Beretta. This trigger and the fact that Beretta sells it on their website is not going to change that fact.

I am hard on guns, that is basically my job right now. I break things that no one has ever seen break. And sometimes that means I get ignored the first time I break something.

Beretta as a company test and validates their guns more than any other company that I have seen or worked with. And there have been quite a few in the last 20 years.




I’m not going to go round and round with you on this. We aren’t talking about Glock, S&W, Sig nor any other company. We are discussing Beretta and them selling a 3rd party part that is essential for pistol function.

I appreciate the warning, and the honesty on not only this, but the block that broke at a very high round count in a torture test. No one is questioning your credibility nor am I dismissing Beretta over a single part. In fact pointing out a busted block or a poor third party vendor part just gives you more cred. It’s being honest in a community where it should be.

But no company is beyond critique, ever. I’ve spent over $1400 at their store in the last 3 months and $3600 in total on Beretta firearms in the last 90 days. You go spend your hard earned money, get your triggers dialed in via smith, buy parts, magazines, etc, and you think contacting CS and expecting a solid response isn’t warranted? IMO, just quit selling said part and if the return is from a recent buy, it shouldn’t be an issue. If it is, and you’ve got proof of the money spent, well...it is what it is.

I’m not dismissing Beretta, slagging their firearms off, or anything else. I am slagging off a known problem part. That’s it. It isn’t personal but it is my money, and it is hard earned so I do not take it lightly nor will I ever. If you’ve got an issue with that, that’s your issue. I’m done with the round and round.

Edit: Add another one to the tally.

https://youtu.be/189VPFCSND0

[Doc_Glock]

https://youtu.be/189VPFCSND0

That is Chris Baker. One of the three Ernest mentioned.

[OlongJohnson]

Nevermind.

[breakingtime91]

People need to calm down, no reason to be a jerk over someone passing you info that you didn't have. This is the exact reason other experts stopped posting here.


With that said, it will be interesting to see what was wrong with these triggers (some kind of heating treatment gone wrong?), paging anyone who is a smarter guy/gal then me.

[Bodhi]

People need to calm down, no reason to be a jerk over someone passing you info that you didn't have. This is the exact reason other experts stopped posting here.


With that said, it will be interesting to see what was wrong with these triggers (some kind of heating treatment gone wrong?), paging anyone who is a smarter guy/gal then me.

I do not think anyone is being a jerk.
The only issue seems to be a factory selling 3rd party parts as factory, that’s it.
My PM sparked the thread btw. Beretta is out of them and I’m trying to finish a 3 month exercise that will be crystal later on.

[beenalongtime]

With that said, it will be interesting to see what was wrong with these triggers (some kind of heating treatment gone wrong?), paging anyone who is a smarter guy/gal then me.

A lot would depend on how it is made, and I would like to see a comparison to the plastic enclosed trigger. Part of me expects the plastic trigger to be folded steel, with the plastic coating, and the metal trigger to be some sort of powdered metal construction.
I would also like to know, did all three triggers break in exactly the same place, as I didn't see that in the post?

[arcfide]

In fairness to Beretta, again, there are *many* items that are sold on their USA site which are not made by Beretta, but which may have Beretta branding on them

[fixer]

In a similar vein, if when working for a major OEM, I told folks about every issue I saw pop up when testing, they'd probably stick to bicycles.

[CraigS]

People need to calm down, no reason to be a jerk over someone passing you info that you didn't have. This is the exact reason other experts stopped posting here.


With that said, it will be interesting to see what was wrong with these triggers (some kind of heating treatment gone wrong?), paging anyone who is a smarter guy/gal then me.

I agree.

[LSP552]

Thank you Ernest. The information you provide here is invaluable and I greatly appreciate it.

[BobLoblaw]

It’s surprising that a $55 trigger is upsetting anyone when most of us burn through that in ammo in a regular range session. Hell, I spent about that much on Girl Scout cookies the last go-round.

Anyways, I actually bought one of these a while ago to try out but ended up liking the polymer trigger better so I forgot about it. If anyone wants it for competition, just shoot me a PM.

[Bodhi]

It’s surprising that a $55 trigger is upsetting anyone when most of us burn through that in ammo in a regular range session.

I spend a lot more in a range session. Money has nothing to do with it. Principles. If it ain’t better then the polymer part it replaces why sell it? If you want to, cool, tell us you don’t make it. No drama or upset needed.

[medmo]

What a bummer. Thanks for the scoop. I like the feel of the steel trigger better but will swap back to plastic original this weekend. The pic looks like maybe a heat treat problem with the cast part.

I don’t remember seeing anything like “caution for competition use only” on the website when I ordered it. Maybe I just missed it.

[Prdator]

Thanks Ernest!!!!

So think on it this way guys... 3 trigger in oh maybe 10,000 guns... say its only 5000 guns... And it might be a HELL of a lot more than either of those numbers!! Anyone thats into manufacturing will tell you thats not a problem.... If you make a bunch of Anything... Holsters to flat washers... oh gasp.. AMMO... your going to have some bad ones... Is it any worse to have your trigger break when you need it or the round of ammo that right now is in your gun not work because it doesn't have a flash hole?? Put this in to some kind of perspective...

Also Parts do have a life time. maybe this trigger has a 10,000 round life.. its that any different than a spring, connector, firing pin extractor or anything else we replace normally ?? I think not..

as Tom said we should be THANKING the messenger here.... not arguing that him or the company is conspiring against us.

My2c.. take it for what you paid for it..

[medmo]

Hey, I’m appreciative for getting the scoop and definitey not bagging on anyone or any company. Swapped back to the factory trigger this afternoon. This pistol is still my favorite all time, the most easiest for me to shoot very well and it’s very portable. In the real world this kind of thing happens with anyone producing something. It’s not like there are little magic Beretta Elves in a tree somewhere in Italy chiseling these things out. I’m sure there are other companies producing OEM parts for Beretta to build into their guns.

[Baldanders]

Crap. So I guess my full size "every upgrade Beretta offers (aside from cam block upgrade) plus sci-fi ceracrome job px4" at my 'smith will be relegated to range use? That's annoying.

[LangdonTactical]

Crap. So I guess my full size "every upgrade Beretta offers (aside from cam block upgrade) plus sci-fi ceracrome job px4" at my 'smith will be relegated to range use? That's annoying.

Just change out the solid steel trigger and you will be fine. Everything else that they are selling on the site has been fully validated many times over.

Relax.

[Bodhi]

Crap. So I guess my full size "every upgrade Beretta offers (aside from cam block upgrade) plus sci-fi ceracrome job px4" at my 'smith will be relegated to range use? That's annoying.

Mine were removed and replaced in about 15 minutes. They they were brand new so they were immediately sent back to Beretta. A small pain but I’d suggest just getting it over with now and you won’t have to ever deal with again.

[Baldanders]

Luckily, my gunsmith is still getting my px4 prepped for ceracroming, so I still have 2 steel triggers to return to Beretta-- or to sell to some pf members, cheap.

Also, my last trip to my gunsmith to chat on the px4 led to him saying "I think I have something you'd like see..."

Now I am a proud owner of a Colt Trooper Mk III 4" .357, some holster wear, barely fired.

Not annoyed in the slightest now. Thanks, Langdon. I am fully relaxed.

[LangdonTactical]

Luckily, my gunsmith is still getting my px4 prepped for ceracroming, so I still have 2 steel triggers to return to Beretta-- or to sell to some pf members, cheap.

Also, my last trip to my gunsmith to chat on the px4 led to him saying "I think I have something you'd like see..."

Now I am a proud owner of a Colt Trooper Mk III 4" .357, some holster wear, barely fired.

Not annoyed in the slightest now. Thanks, Langdon. I am fully relaxed.

Cool :)

[OlongJohnson]

Surprised that Chris Baker's video, posted the day this thread started, didn't get posted in the thread. He doesn't seem all that wound up about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189VPFCSND0

[FrankB]

I put a steel trigger in a PX4 Compact that I upgraded to a CC. I was looking for another steel trigger for the factory PX4 CC I bought yesterday, and saw this thread. Good news: I saved $55. Bad news: I have to swap my plastic trigger back into the first gun.
Thanks for the heads up!

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

So in Beretta's defense, it would be a strong statement to say that it is a "known defective part". I know of exactly three of these triggers that have broken. I don't know how many of these Beretta has sold in the years it has been on the website. At what point it is considered a "known defective part" is a question I cannot answer for Beretta and not my decision to make.

For my part, I have seen three broken ones in the last two years. That is enough for me to recommend that serious users not put them on guns they need to rely on for duty or defense type use.

I notified Beretta about all three, and from what I know those are the only three that they have heard of to date.

Again, that is enough for me to not recommend. But to say that it is a "know defective part" for Beretta is a different issue altogether.

Before I saw this thread I had talked to the Beretta Parts Manager about this problem (I have never tried one, though). He played it down and said there were only 3 out of countless triggers out there that failed, etc.. He said they would neither pull it off the website, not warn anyone because it is not a real issue.

Thank you Ernest for your care in getting the word out there about this! People over dollars is one of the traits that makes you stand out in the industry (shooting like you do doesn't hurt, either)

Beretta said that if the trigger fails I could send it back for a refund. I said, "You mean my widow could send it back for a refund, if it breaks at a bad time!"

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. To me if you notified them that you had seen, as a professional trainer and known pistol expert, three different examples broken, rendering the pistol inoperable....well that’s enough to me to pull the part from sale, especially given that it’s a third party manufactured part. It doesn’t sound like they did any testing of their own nor paid it much of any mind. That’s the issue I have. Mine were recent purchases so we’ll see how they handle the return. I’ve invested a fair amount of money into this platform in recent months. 3 pistols, 40 magazines, and various parts, so prime time to see their CS at work.

Nothing stated that it’s made by a third party either and it should probably state that.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-solid-steel-trigger/c5g270/

Bodhi, There are actually a lot of parts in a stock PX4 that are made by other, 3rd party contributors. This includes firing pins and some critical parts. In my experience, with nearly 90,000 rounds on a dozen PX4s for years, they are reliable, trustworthy and dependable.
I also have many magazines (which are made for them by Mechanica Del Sarco) and a drawer full of parts and springs. They are worth the investment.

Yes, occasionally they will come up with something that doesn't do well. And they should stand behind that and own up to it, for sure. But my experience with them has been that you have not been "taken" or ripped off diving into the PX4 platform. I do recommend that at any point of wanting an update or adding a part or kit, check around first on PF.

Someone has to use stuff enough to break it. That's how things get improved. When Ernest's cam block broke, I ordered a spare cam block for my .45. It is a platform worth maintaining. Enjoy it confidently!

[FrankB]

I replaced my PX4’s all steel $55 trigger with the stock trigger tonight. It sure looks nice.....

[FDE_PX4_CC]

Any chance WC or LTT releasing an on steel type trigger?

[LangdonTactical]

Any chance WC or LTT releasing an on steel type trigger?

It's on the list, but not an easy part to make at all.

[FDE_PX4_CC]

Totally understandable, good thing is I just picked up this compact so I got plenty of time. No rush here.

[incogneato]

Any update on this LangdonTactical?

[LangdonTactical]

Any update on this LangdonTactical?

I am working with someone to have a steel trigger built for the PX4. Plans are to have two versions. One will be a direct copy of the standard trigger and one will have an overtravel stop (AKA Speed Bump) to reduce overtravel and shorten reset.

I have no predictions on how far out we are on this project, but it is moving forward for sure.

[incogneato]

I am working with someone to have a steel trigger built for the PX4. Plans are to have two versions. One will be a direct copy of the standard trigger and one will have an overtravel stop (AKA Speed Bump) to reduce overtravel and shorten reset.

I have no predictions on how far out we are on this project, but it is moving forward for sure.

Good to hear... thanks!

[beenalongtime]

Noticed it was back in stock on Beretta's sight. Any idea if any changes were made?

[Dagga Boy]

Having a bunch of PX4 ‘s, I have no need or even want of a steel replacement stock triggers. Now.....a speed bump....TAKE MY MONEY!

[spook]

I am working with someone to have a steel trigger built for the PX4. Plans are to have two versions. One will be a direct copy of the standard trigger and one will have an overtravel stop (AKA Speed Bump) to reduce overtravel and shorten reset.

I have no predictions on how far out we are on this project, but it is moving forward for sure.

Really looking forward to this. Thanks for the heads up.

[BobRockefeller]

The stock trigger seems too hooked to me. Much more so than the 92.

I'd like a steel trigger shaped more like the 92's, but more reliable than the competition trigger.

Is there such a thing?

[LangdonTactical]

The stock trigger seems too hooked to me. Much more so than the 92.

I'd like a steel trigger shaped more like the 92's, but more reliable than the competition trigger.

Is there such a thing?

Maybe one day. It is on the list for sure and things are moving, but one step at a time and testing and validation take a really long time.

[AdioSS]

Any updates? Has anybody else broken one of the steel triggers?

Just picked up an Inox Compact. I love how a silver trigger looks in the 2-tone guns, but the steel one would be the only way to get that.

[medmo]

Looks like they are still for sale. Any changes to manufacture? Are the ones currently being sold good to go? Asking for a friend who really wants steel triggers in their Px4s. That’s right, plural Px4s. He is kind of a sick bastard.