G42, G43, and gen 5 Trigger Issues

[leathermaneod]

Hi all,
I am starting this thread to compile data on this topic. I’ve started hearing rumors of G43’s and gen 5 Glocks with low round counts (2-4K) having issues with the triggers becoming progressively harder to depress and/or becoming gritty or just degrading in general. I’d like to hear from anyone who’s had these issues. Please post at what point it started, what type of lube you use, if it’s been cleaned and when, if you have had it back to Glock and if so what they said/did.

I have a G43 that is my all time favorite pistol for CCW. I only have about 500 rnds through it so far though. I am concerned about the long term reliability after hearing this. I am assuming it has something to do with the new internal design of the 42, 43, and gen5’s.

Hopefully this is helpful and instructive to all.
Thanks
Nate


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[Mr_White]

With all the Glocks I've had remotely recently (Generations 3-5), after shooting a couple thousand or several thousand rounds, there is grit/carbon/junk in the area where the trigger bar and connector touch, and it also gets dry. Then I clean and lube that area - I personally use copper anti-seize like the factory - and then the trigger is nicer again. I haven't seen anything to make me thing there is an actual issue with the gun.

[leathermaneod]

With all the Glocks I've had remotely recently (Generations 3-5), after shooting a couple thousand or several thousand rounds, there is grit/carbon/junk in the area where the trigger bar and connector touch, and it also gets dry. Then I clean and lube that area - I personally use copper anti-seize like the factory - and then the trigger is nicer again. I haven't seen anything to make me thing there is an actual issue with the gun.

Thank you for your input! Exactly what I am looking for. Is the copper anti seize gun specific, or just something from an auto parts store? I use balistol almost exclusively, but I am always interested in learning about new and different products.


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[M2CattleCo]

This is my Gen5 19. Stock, never detail stripped, always lubed, ~4,200 rounds.


https://youtu.be/HM10JeUMWWE

[Mr_White]

Thank you for your input! Exactly what I am looking for. Is the copper anti seize gun specific, or just something from an auto parts store? I use balistol almost exclusively, but I am always interested in learning about new and different products.


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Auto parts store. I'm just copying the factory, there is no special knowledge of mine behind it.

[LOKNLOD]

The factory copper antiseize is Loctite C5A, I believe. If you’re looking to source it with more info than “copper stuff in Glocks” ;)

We used to use assembling extremely expensive high temperature stainless steel extrusion dies. Good stuff.

[leathermaneod]

This is my Gen5 19. Stock, never detail stripped, always lubed, ~4,200 rounds.


https://youtu.be/HM10JeUMWWE

That kinda sounds like the little bit of spring noise my G26 makes, only more like clicking, and I assume you can feel it too, not just hear it.

You and I spoke a bit in another thread, that’s partly what caused me to start this one. I want to get as much info in one place as possible. Maybe find some common denominators. Would you mind sharing your full story? IIRC you have had similar issues with a G43 and a 19.5?


EDIT: that’s weird, I couldn’t see the little caption you posted with the vid until after I quoted your post. What was that gun lubed with? Have you ever looked at the areas where the trigger bar and connector touch? Will that gun be going back to Glock?

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[M2CattleCo]

leathermaneod

If you can put it on full screen you can kinda see that the clicking sound is when the trigger starts moving again after stopping. I'm applying steady pressure and the trigger is binding-breaking free through the travel.

I'm not sure when it started, but I noticed it today while doing some 25 yard shooting checking out a KKM barrel.

Gun has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 EWL since day 1.

I highly doubt I send it back to Glock. All they'll do is replace all the guts. I can get an armorer to get me the parts and I can do that myself.

Right now I'm at the point of deciding whether I accept rebuilding Glocks every 3K rounds, or dump the platform and move on.

[L-2]

As of this posting, I've got the following round counts through my:
G43: 5900
G17Gen5: 4700
G19Gen5: 4400

I've not had trigger issues becoming harder.
These Glocks have not needed to go back to Glock. Even though I'm a Glock Armorer, I have sent some of my Glocks back to Smyrna for other issues, but not these models.

I've had these models apart and I've cleaned the internals, beyond normal field stripping.
For the trigger bar/connector interface, I'll usually use Breakfree "CLP". This is what comes in Glock's Armorers' tool kit and supplied to the Glock Armorer instructors. I've used other brands of lubrication over the years. One doesn't need to go to a Glock Armorers class to be able to detail strip things if you're a bit mechanical and desire to learn how to do it from the various online and written sources available. It is possible to break or lose a part now & then, however.

My G43 from 2015 had a, now discontinued, connector which was superceded with "33564" connector. The newer connector dropped the trigger pull 1.0 to 1.5 pounds, down to an average 5.5 pounds. I think mine comes out slightly less on my scale. This could be part of the rumors the original post is referencing regarding trigger pull.

Another person on this forum showed some chrome plating coming off his trigger bar which probably made his trigger pull degrade. I haven't followed that person's issue and don't know if a new or cleaned-up trigger bar solved the problem or not. This could be another source of the original post's concerns.

Overall, I see nothing specific to the G43, G42, G17Gen5, or G19Gen5's trigger design which is negative. Any gun may break at an inopportune moment. Frequent range time can help identify problems, but frequent shooting will also increase the round count, thus contributing to possible future breakages.

What to do? Having a spare gun to use, while the other is being repaired is one thing I do. Carrying two guns was what I did when I was working as a cop; not so often now, but still once-in-awhile. Overall and generally speaking, I don't see a Glock having a catastrophic failure in normal or casual usage. This is coming from a guy who's had four Glock frames replaced due to breakages, wear, or cracking (two were from a bad serial number range).

[HopetonBrown]

I put whatever grease is handy on the connector.

[JHC]

With all the Glocks I've had remotely recently (Generations 3-5), after shooting a couple thousand or several thousand rounds, there is grit/carbon/junk in the area where the trigger bar and connector touch, and it also gets dry. Then I clean and lube that area - I personally use copper anti-seize like the factory - and then the trigger is nicer again. I haven't seen anything to make me thing there is an actual issue with the gun.

I've had the same experience with Gen 3s shot til I swore I could see soot flying out of the breach. It was never permanent. But I was lubing with Mobile synthetic then. Once a year whether they needed it or not. ;)

[leathermaneod]

leathermaneod

If you can put it on full screen you can kinda see that the clicking sound is when the trigger starts moving again after stopping. I'm applying steady pressure and the trigger is binding-breaking free through the travel.

I'm not sure when it started, but I noticed it today while doing some 25 yard shooting checking out a KKM barrel.

Gun has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 EWL since day 1.

I highly doubt I send it back to Glock. All they'll do is replace all the guts. I can get an armorer to get me the parts and I can do that myself.

Right now I'm at the point of deciding whether I accept rebuilding Glocks every 3K rounds, or dump the platform and move on.

I appreciate your input and understand your frustration. Have you inspected your connector and trigger bar at all?


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[M2CattleCo]

I just detail stripped the 19 and the finish is flaking off the trigger bar identically to the 43. I did something I never do and polished the end of the trigger bar where the finish is flaked off, lubed it with Slip 2000 EWL 30 and put it back together. Feels fine. It's a finish problem. Either they have a bad batch/process problem, or there is something with the function of the Gen5 parts that eats the finish. Maybe that's why the FBI spec'd a tougher finish?

G19.5 is at 4204 rounds.

G43 is at 4237 rounds.

Very little dry fire between the two.

[willie]

My guess is that batch of trigger bars has plating issues. I doubt that it's a generation thing. My understanding is that the bare metal on these is soft.

[leathermaneod]

I just detail stripped the 19 and the finish is flaking off the trigger bar identically to the 43. I did something I never do and polished the end of the trigger bar where the finish is flaked off, lubed it with Slip 2000 EWL 30 and put it back together. Feels fine. It's a finish problem. Either they have a bad batch/process problem, or there is something with the function of the Gen5 parts that eats the finish. Maybe that's why the FBI spec'd a tougher finish?

G19.5 is at 4204 rounds.

G43 is at 4237 rounds.

Very little dry fire between the two.

Thank you! That confirms a suspicion that I had.


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[leathermaneod]

My guess is that batch of trigger bars has plating issues. I doubt that it's a generation thing.

I am wondering if something about the plating has actually been changed recently. I don’t remember which of my Glocks it was (they are all fairly recent though) but I noticed while cleaning that the finish was flaking off the ejector a bit.


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[Leroy]

Check this out if your having Gen 5 trigger issues
https://youtu.be/2sreTnFVHAU

[M2CattleCo]

This is not my first experience with bad Glock triggers.

I tried a pair of RTF2 19s back in 2010 that would both deform the piece that raises the firing pin safety and gouge up the finish on the plunger. Trigger would be good for 1K rounds, by 1200, it would be horrible and about 8-10 lbs. I went through two trigger bars and firing pin plungers on each gun until I had enough and installed another two new trigger bars and plungers and dumped 'em.

I LIKE Glock because I can shoot them very will with relatively little effort, but they are very low quality guns that don't hold up well to high volume shooting, in my experience. I don't see how everyone else manages to get so much life out of 'em. My theory is they swap so many parts trying to make the trigger 'better' that they never give anything a chance to wear out. :p

[HopetonBrown]

My Gen 3 Glocks just run and run, no switching parts required.

[Trukinjp13]

I can not find it online, but does anyone know if we can order a m series trigger bar? I would buy one in a jiffy.


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[M2CattleCo]

I can not find it online, but does anyone know if we can order a m series trigger bar? I would buy one in a jiffy.


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No, but I am working on it through a channel I may have. In the meantime I have a few sets of 19 and 43 parts at Robar for NP3.

I think the M having nitrided small parts was the result of what I have seen with mine. So apparently now Glock has commercial cheap/low quality parts and contract good stuff.

[Biggy]

I can not find it online, but does anyone know if we can order a m series trigger bar? I would buy one in a jiffy.


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I guess anything is possible, maybe a special request to them from a Glock armorer, but I didn't see it on the glock armorers parts list. I got a couple extra Gen 5 trigger bars from these folks awhile back, and am thinking of sending them in to Robar fot their NP3 plus coating. The color would not match but I could live with that. A DLC metal treatment might be better because of the hardness, and its black. The black oxide finish on my Gen 5 slide stop/ release literally rubbed off from handling the pistol.


https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/39702

[JHC]

This is not my first experience with bad Glock triggers.

I tried a pair of RTF2 19s back in 2010 that would both deform the piece that raises the firing pin safety and gouge up the finish on the plunger. Trigger would be good for 1K rounds, by 1200, it would be horrible and about 8-10 lbs. I went through two trigger bars and firing pin plungers on each gun until I had enough and installed another two new trigger bars and plungers and dumped 'em.

I LIKE Glock because I can shoot them very will with relatively little effort, but they are very low quality guns that don't hold up well to high volume shooting, in my experience. I don't see how everyone else manages to get so much life out of 'em. My theory is they swap so many parts trying to make the trigger 'better' that they never give anything a chance to wear out. :p
I dunno. My Gen 3 RTF G17 has been stuck with the same OEM minus connector for 12K rds with just recoil spring changes and it's been consistently great. Another OD Gen 3 G17 about 8K rds. GTG

Doesn't mean your parts aren't an issue though.

[M2CattleCo]

Buddy of mine has a well worn Gen3 19 bought in '07 and it just gets better and better. Every one I've owned gets worse and worse.

[Greg Bell]

I was finishing up a 2000 round challenge on mine and the trigger went down the tube. I went south in the 1700s and I pushed it into the 1800s but never improved even after cleaning. I guess it might be the flaking finish...here is a pic:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4537/27195191219_82d9c4cd8b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hr9sTe)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/Hr9sTe) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr

Here is a brief video to show you what I am talking about. The trigger just started getting gritty with lots of weird chatter in the trigger pull. Originally it felt a lot like my used Gen 3 17.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnuob8Q-tRM&t=116s

[Trukinjp13]

What do you use for cleaning products?


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[leathermaneod]

I was finishing up a 2000 round challenge on mine and the trigger went down the tube. I went south in the 1700s and I pushed it into the 1800s but never improved even after cleaning. I guess it might be the flaking finish...here is a pic:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4537/27195191219_82d9c4cd8b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hr9sTe)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/Hr9sTe) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr

Here is a brief video to show you what I am talking about. The trigger just started getting gritty with lots of weird chatter in the trigger pull. Originally it felt a lot like my used Gen 3 17.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnuob8Q-tRM&t=116s

That is the video I was talking about earlier.


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[M2CattleCo]

Greg Bell

Pull the trigger bar out and look at it very closely. On my 43 all the plating was there, but it was disbonded where it rubs the connector. On the 19 there was a little spot where it was gone.

I scraped the rough edges off and polished the trigger bar to get me by for now.

Trukinjp13
I hadn't used any cleaning products on either gun. They had just been kept lubed with Slip 2000 EWL.

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Greg Bell

Pull the trigger bar out and look at it very closely. On my 43 all the plating was there, but it was disbonded where it rubs the connector. On the 19 there was a little spot where it was gone.

I scraped the rough edges off and polished the trigger bar to get me by for now.

Trukinjp13
I hadn't used any cleaning products on either gun. They had just been kept lubed with Slip 2000 EWL.

Why haven't you just polished it at this point?

[M2CattleCo]

It doesn't matter if it's polished if the plating is coming off. Glock does not harden the metal parts. The silver plating, that I am now told is not really plating, acts as the hardness of the parts.

[leathermaneod]

Is it just me or is there a pattern here?


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[Trukinjp13]

Has anyone with these problems sent their guns to Glock?


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[Larry Sellers]

Is it just me or is there a pattern here?


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[M2CattleCo]

I think he's referring to the plating on the trigger bars coming off.

I think they have a problem. But I'm back to my original opinion, based on experience, that they are just very low quality pistols and don't hold up to heavy use as well as the internet would have you believe.

I'm having my parts refinished by Robar because I don't want whatever they put on them again. If that doesn't completely resolve the issue, I'm washing my hands of Glock altogether.

[Larry Sellers]

I think he's referring to the plating on the trigger bars coming off.

I think they have a problem. But I'm back to my original opinion, based on experience, that they are just very low quality pistols and don't hold up to heavy use as well as the internet would have you believe.

I'm having my parts refinished by Robar because I don't want whatever they put on them again. If that doesn't completely resolve the issue, I'm washing my hands of Glock altogether.Okay understood, what's the other platform you're going to look toward as a replacement?

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[leathermaneod]

What pattern are you referring to?

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I thought it seemed like Slip 2000 kept coming up, but after looking through the thread again, it seems I was wrong. I think it was just mentioned by the same person multiple times. It does seem that minimal cleaning is one common denominator, though I think that’s probably very common with gun owners of all brands lol

I don’t think the issue is Glocks being low quality. I don’t see how they could have such a great reputation if that were the case. However, the quality of their coating may be declining, or they may have a bad lot occasionally. Honestly, if it were me, I would send the guns back to Glock so that they are made aware, as much as possible, that there are issues like this. They will fix the guns, and you can give them another try. Maybe try altering your maintenance routine or using a different lube. Or you could sell them since they’ll have been fixed.


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[leathermaneod]

M2CattleCo,

Did you watch the Glock trigger diagnostics vid posted earlier in this thread? I just watched it now for the first time and he points out some great areas to check, besides the connector and trigger bar mating surfaces. Did you check the striker channel and its components or the firing pin safety? Not saying your conclusion is wrong, just wondering if you explored all possibilities. I really enjoy tackling little mechanical problems like this, wish I could look at your gun myself haha


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[PensFan]

1) Johnny Glock is not someone that I would call a reliable source of information. Insert your own adjective.
2) DLC coated trigger bars are NOT available.
3) The marks on the above mentioned picture on the vertical extension are common on all trigger bars.
4) Trigger bars, connectors, ejectors etc are hardened before finishing. Try bending one.
5) The finish process is, like a lot of things, is an evolving process in manufacturing.

[M2CattleCo]

If they can't go for 4K well lubed rounds without shedding the plating on the parts, they're a little too fragile for me. The plating comes off, the trigger gets bad, but more importantly, it can cause a failure to fully reset, which is a big safety liability.

If the Robar doesn't do what I want it to, I'll go Beretta 92A1 for fullsize and probably keep my 43s for their current role and just not shoot 'em as much.

Yes, I pulled the strikers and they were fine. The plating coming off the trigger bars is obvious. I posted a picture of the 43's.

[GJM]

1) Johnny Glock is not someone that I would call a reliable source of information. Insert your own adjective.
2) DLC coated trigger bars are NOT available.
3) The marks on the above mentioned picture on the vertical extension are common on all trigger bars.
4) Trigger bars, connectors, ejectors etc are hardened before finishing. Try bending one.
5) The finish process is, like a lot of things, is an evolving process in manufacturing.


If they can't go for 4K well lubed rounds without shedding the plating on the parts, they're a little too fragile for me. The plating comes off, the trigger gets bad, but more importantly, it can cause a failure to fully reset, which is a big safety liability.

If the Robar doesn't do what I want it to, I'll go Beretta 92A1 for fullsize and probably keep my 43s for their current role and just not shoot 'em as much.

Yes, I pulled the strikers and they were fine. The plating coming off the trigger bars is obvious. I posted a picture of the 43's.

I would bet 5 PF dollars, there are some number of parts that got contaminated during the build process. There is a leap between a few parts out of the million or so pistols Glock turns out in a year, and many more than that of parts, and believing that all Glock pistols are bad, that they are low quality, and will not stand up to heavy use. Too many of us on PF have used them for decades, over hundreds of thousands of rounds through many specimens, to believe that is true.

[spinmove_]

I would bet 5 PF dollars, there are some number of parts that got contaminated during the build process. There is a leap between a few parts out of the million or so pistols Glock turns out in a year, and many more than that of parts, and believing that all Glock pistols are bad, that they are low quality, and will not stand up to heavy use. Too many of us on PF have used them for decades, over hundreds of thousands of rounds through many specimens, to believe that is true.

I have to agree with this. There’s too many samples out in the wild for far too long for this to be completely indicative of all Glocks being a low quality product. I’ve got north of 6,000 rounds through my G19Gen4 with no such issues. Plenty of other people have not reported similar findings. I’d send it/them back to Glock and ask them to fix it. If they had a bad batch, they need to know about it and do what they need to do to fix it.


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[Trukinjp13]

I for one second do not think of a Glock as low quality. I am still baffled that the people with these issues have not sent them to Glock. I am not trying to be asshole either. But the few cases I have seen of this have the same result. Pistol did not go to Glock, then pistol is apparently no good. If there was a bad batch of parts. They can find it, but they have to know the problem exists.

I know a lot of dudes personally with a insane round count number on multiple Glocks including g43. So to discount the brand as a whole because of some trigger bars that may be out of spec. or had contamination before a coating seems harsh.


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[STI]

This whole thread smacks to me of hearing someone whose 1yr old car has a balljoint or a shock absorber go out early.

Then sells the car.


Seriously, one of the huge advantages of Glock is easy inexpensive parts access and user-level gunsmithing if you can tie shoes while chewing gum. In the amount of time we've discussed this here, three trigger bars could have been ordered from (pick your online storefront) and the guns back in business.

You wouldn't throw out a 40k machine for a part being installed unknowingly out of a bad batch - don't do it for a $550 machine.

[RJ]

I for one second do not think of a Glock as low quality. I am still baffled that the people with these issues have not sent them to Glock. I am not trying to be asshole either. But the few cases I have seen of this have the same result. Pistol did not go to Glock, then pistol is apparently no good. If there was a bad batch of parts. They can find it, but they have to know the problem exists.

I know a lot of dudes personally with a insane round count number on multiple Glocks including g43. So to discount the brand as a whole because of some trigger bars that may be out of spec. or had contamination before a coating seems harsh.


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Fair enough. But the end users experience is the end users experience. So to say that while Glock should get a ‘chance’ to address a warranty issue is fair, the consumer is certainly allowed to say ‘F this, I’m selling this gun and getting a XYZ’.

If the same things happened to me as has happened to M2CattleCo, I’d be pissed too.

I did have a question, related to lube actually. I use Slip2000 also, have for a couple years. I noticed Gabe and maybe others commented how they use a dab of copper grease in the area under discussion every year or two. PensFan, or anyone who would know, is this a recommended (by Glock) practice (inasmuch as they seem to come with copper grease from the factory, and it is in fact mentioned in the manual)? Is it possible over zealous lubrication by users (me, say) using lightweight oil (Slip, say) is washing out the grease and not adequately buffering the metal parts? Or worse, allowing carbon build up in this area detrimental to trigger press by 3,000 or 4,000 rounds?

[Trukinjp13]

Not speaking on behalf of Glock. But in my experience, grease works very well for a metal to metal contact. You would not oil a ball joint or grease fitting. There is a place for certain lubes/grease in everything. Given the type of contact and pivot point the the trigger bar is at. Grease sure would not hurt. I know certain firearms I have owned have called for grease in certain areas. Depending on the type of friction it gets.

Also carbon buildup can become extremely gritty and almost hard. When you are dealing with parts that are within thousands of a inch. A layer of carbon can really pork the system.



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[M2CattleCo]

Well I hit the Glock lottery with trigger bars in 2010 and no again in 2017. Not to mention the BTF jackpot I got into with a Gen4 19.

I don't see any other high quality pistols with 'Almost guaranteed to work fixes' threads stickied on this, or any other forum.

I still like Glocks for their simplicity and how easy they are to shoot well and fast.

[Trukinjp13]

Not speaking on behalf of Glock. But in my experience, grease works very well for a metal to metal contact. You would not oil a ball joint or grease fitting. There is a place for certain lubes/grease in everything. Given the type of contact and pivot point the the trigger bar is at. Grease sure would not hurt. I know certain firearms I have owned have called for grease in certain areas. Depending on the type of friction it gets.

Also carbon buildup can become extremely gritty and almost hard. When you are dealing with parts that are within thousands of a inch. A layer of carbon can really pork the system.



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I meant ball joint/tie rod/u-joint. I stupidly typed grease fitting.


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[Trukinjp13]

I believe Glock has used loctite c5-a. I could be mistaken. But it works very well for what it is. It is designed to prevent galling and to aid in metal to metal contact.


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[PensFan]

The loctite anti-seize compound is basically there for long term storage. Personally I get it out of my Glocks asap and replace it with oil and Mil-Comm TW-25B. Which, if you send a Glock in for service is what you will find between the connector and trigger bar when it's returned.

People get wrapped around the axle when it comes to lube IMO. Most anything will do in a pinch. My current favorites that we're using a lot of are Weapon Shield and Lucas. FWIW

[Trukinjp13]

The loctite anti-seize compound is basically there for long term storage. Personally I get it out of my Glocks asap and replace it with oil and Mil-Comm TW-25B. Which, if you send a Glock in for service is what you will find between the connector and trigger bar when it's returned.

People get wrapped around the axle when it comes to lube IMO. Most anything will do in a pinch. My current favorites that we're using a lot of are Weapon Shield and Lucas. FWIW

I agree with this to extent. Sometimes the type of lube or grease is important to the application. Most lubes work where a lube is needed most greases work where grease is needed.

Sometimes though you need a anti seize type grease where a normal will not cut it. Or you need a oil that can withstand certain temp. swings. May work in a hot environment and fail
miserably in the cold. In my career and life I have seen far too many failures directly related to the wrong application of oil/lube/grease.

I pointed out the copper anti-seize because as far as the contact of the trigger bar area in concern. It will stick very well, withstand temperature fluctuations and also prevent galling or the coating from being ground off from contact. I use tw25b also, on certain guns though. I know there are a few high volume shooters who also enjoy the copper type on the trigger bar. It also is great for someone who does basically no cleaning on their gun.

I am in no way saying someone does something wrong or right. Simply giving out a data point that relates to what I have seen. I am not armorer nor gunsmith. But I work with mechanical components everyday.

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[CS Tactical]

The loctite anti-seize compound is basically there for long term storage. Personally I get it out of my Glocks asap and replace it with oil and Mil-Comm TW-25B. Which, if you send a Glock in for service is what you will find between the connector and trigger bar when it's returned.

People get wrapped around the axle when it comes to lube IMO. Most anything will do in a pinch. My current favorites that we're using a lot of are Weapon Shield and Lucas. FWIW

From Facebook:
"Here’s a picture of Joe Mantegna at the FBI armorers Gun Vault on Gun Stories TV. Weapon shield bottles can be on almost every work bench during the show."

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174592_10204052634314079_8071698992805052415_n.j pg?oh=5e5d3ff398d9445e5723879650af8c58&oe=5ACD14C3

[HopetonBrown]

Sometimes though you need a anti seize type grease where a normal will not cut it. Or you need a oil that can withstand certain temp. swings. May work in a hot environment and fail
miserably in the cold. In my career and life I have seen far too many failures directly related to the wrong application of oil/lube/grease.



On Glocks? Because I'm pretty sure we're talking about Glocks.

[Exiledviking]

I for one second do not think of a Glock as low quality. I am still baffled that the people with these issues have not sent them to Glock. I am not trying to be asshole either. But the few cases I have seen of this have the same result. Pistol did not go to Glock, then pistol is apparently no good. If there was a bad batch of parts. They can find it, but they have to know the problem exists.

I know a lot of dudes personally with a insane round count number on multiple Glocks including g43. So to discount the brand as a whole because of some trigger bars that may be out of spec. or had contamination before a coating seems harsh.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkShipping a gun can be expensive. IIRC, Glock did not want to pay for shipping back to Glock on M2Cattle's Glock. I wonder if they would change their tune if they saw pics of the plating coming off. And I fully agree with you about giving Glock the opportunity to look at it and make it right.
However, paying $70+ to ship a gun back to Glock to have them look at it when pics should more than suffice leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

For some of us, myself included, shipping a Glock back to Glock will run $70 to $90. Not cool if it's Glock's issue and the issue should be covered by Glock.

I bought a new G20SF about 5 years ago that came out of the box with a, roughly, 8.5 lbs trigger. I had to call Glock 5 times before they finally agreed to pay for return shipping. They told me the first 4 times to pay for the shipping myself. Once I found out that it would cost me $75 to ship it I called them back.

I'll be keeping a close eye on my brand new G17 RTF2 to see if the plating holds up.

[kitten_frenzy]

Does the temperature even change significantly at the connector/trigger bar area?

[Greg Bell]

Why haven't you just polished it at this point?

I guess I might try to ghetto smith it. Still, if I am going to have to be my own armoreer I might as well get back into 1911s. I think I will just put it up for a while. I figure Glock will get their act together eventually.

[Trukinjp13]

Does the temperature even change significantly at the connector/trigger bar area?

It does in my neck of the woods. When I have a pistol on my holster and I am outside she will sure as hell change temp.


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[leathermaneod]

Shipping a gun can be expensive. IIRC, Glock did not want to pay for shipping back to Glock on M2Cattle's Glock. I wonder if they would change their tune if they saw pics of the plating coming off. And I fully agree with you about giving Glock the opportunity to look at it and make it right.
However, paying $70+ to ship a gun back to Glock to have them look at it when pics should more than suffice leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

For some of us, myself included, shipping a Glock back to Glock will run $70 to $90. Not cool if it's Glock's issue and the issue should be covered by Glock.

I bought a new G20SF about 5 years ago that came out of the box with a, roughly, 8.5 lbs trigger. I had to call Glock 5 times before they finally agreed to pay for return shipping. They told me the first 4 times to pay for the shipping myself. Once I found out that it would cost me $75 to ship it I called them back.

I'll be keeping a close eye on my brand new G17 RTF2 to see if the plating holds up.

Just curious, were do you live that it costs that much to get a gun to Glock?


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[Trukinjp13]

On Glocks? Because I'm pretty sure we're talking about Glocks.

That applies to anything mechanical. Your gun could go from freezing cold to hot as hell. What happens when you are out for hours in sub zero temps and then fire off a shit load of rounds? Temperature change is very fast. I do not understand the blowback from me speaking of something that sees extreme temperature changes and is a mechanical device with a shit load of moving parts that contact? Seriously.


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[JBP55]

The loctite anti-seize compound is basically there for long term storage. Personally I get it out of my Glocks asap and replace it with oil and Mil-Comm TW-25B. Which, if you send a Glock in for service is what you will find between the connector and trigger bar when it's returned.

People get wrapped around the axle when it comes to lube IMO. Most anything will do in a pinch. My current favorites that we're using a lot of are Weapon Shield and Lucas. FWIW

What he said.

[Exiledviking]

Just curious, were do you live that it costs that much to get a gun to Glock?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThe lovely state of California. It's nuts...

[JBP55]

That applies to anything mechanical. Your gun could go from freezing cold to hot as hell. What happens when you are out for hours in sub zero temps and then fire off a shit load of rounds? Temperature change is very fast. I do not understand the blowback from me speaking of something that sees extreme temperature changes and is a mechanical device with a shit load of moving parts that contact? Seriously.


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If anti seize was the greatest lubricant ever it would be on almost all firearms. It is great for things like cap screws to prevent galling.

[Trukinjp13]

If anti seize was the greatest lubricant ever it would be on almost all firearms. It is great for things like cap screws to prevent galling.

What are you talking about? I never said it was the greatest ever. Hell I never even said it was what had to be used. I said everything has a use. I simply said on this ONE POINT OF CONTACT where you may never clean it. That it would not be a bad idea. Pretty sure it was made clear some people basically never clean their gun and only put lube on. Man you guys just take offense or have a problem with everything in this thread. I thought I made my point clear. But I guess not. I digress.

[M2CattleCo]

Just curious, were do you live that it costs that much to get a gun to Glock?


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To do it legally you have to go Fed Ex or UPS overnight and it's about $80 for me if I put the pistol in the smallest cardboard box it fits in.

I'm not doing it when all Glock is going to do is drop in another set of the same parts and send it back. For about the same money I just sent all the guts and barrel to Robar for NP3.

And I kind of agree with Greg Bell, if I have to tinker with it, I might as well shoot a 1911, because to me they're the only thing worth tinkering with. FWIW, I used to shoot a 1911 and fed it about a case of Wolf a WEEK. 5K rounds of that stuff between cleanings many times and a lot of Slip 2K and never had an issue with anything but a chipped sear when it was North of 30K rounds.

[leathermaneod]

To do it legally you have to go Fed Ex or UPS overnight and it's about $80 for me if I put the pistol in the smallest cardboard box it fits in.

I'm not doing it when all Glock is going to do is drop in another set of the same parts and send it back. For about the same money I just sent all the guts and barrel to Robar for NP3.

And I kind of agree with Greg Bell, if I have to tinker with it, I might as well shoot a 1911, because to me they're the only thing worth tinkering with. FWIW, I used to shoot a 1911 and fed it about a case of Wolf a WEEK. 5K rounds of that stuff between cleanings many times and a lot of Slip 2K and never had an issue with anything but a chipped sear when it was North of 30K rounds.

What 1911 was that? Might be one for me to look at lol I’ve always wanted one :-)


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[M2CattleCo]

leathermaneod

A pair of Springfield Custom Carries built by Dave Williams a little over ten years ago.

A Springfield Pro would do the same thing. Mine were Custom Carries with no magwell, single side safety, no checkering, Novak black/black sights.

[JodyH]

I've now come to the end of the gun forum journey I first embarked on way back in the year 2000... I've now seen it all.
A heated debate about lubricants and gunsmithing for Glocks...

[M2CattleCo]

I've now come to the end of the gun forum journey I first embarked on way back in the year 2000... I've now seen it all.
A heated debate about lubricants and gunsmithing for Glocks...

Crazy right? Last summer I shot a MK25 for 6K without cleaning, wiped it off, shot another 6K without cleaning. Just kept it lubed with Slip 2K and had nary a bobble. With Check-Mate mags nonetheless.

4 cases of ammo through two different Glocks and they didn't make it....

[Greg Bell]

I’ll call them tomorrow on mine. If they won’t pay to ship it I will just get the apex trigger. Odds are if I ship it to Glock it will just be another bar made the same way.

[leathermaneod]

I’ll call them tomorrow on mine. If they won’t pay to ship it I will just get the apex trigger. Odds are if I ship it to Glock it will just be another bar made the same way.

Please keep us updated!


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[Exiledviking]

I’ll call them tomorrow on mine. If they won’t pay to ship it I will just get the apex trigger. Odds are if I ship it to Glock it will just be another bar made the same way.

It'll be interesting to see what Glock says. Another option might be the NP3 coated trigger assembly from Robar that has been deburred and has NP3 on the trigger bar, minus connector, and the ejector (comes installed in the housing for the ejector and connector) for $100 plus S&H and it seems like a OK deal for not having to send off your parts. I'd sell the ejector/connector housing and the connector.

[M2CattleCo]

Robar doesn't have Gen5 parts in stock yet.

[Bodhi]

I've now come to the end of the gun forum journey I first embarked on way back in the year 2000... I've now seen it all.
A heated debate about lubricants and gunsmithing for Glocks...

It’s a hot mess, and I don’t mean the good kind. :D

[HeavyDuty]

Old thread, but on point...

I have a 26.5 that has a great trigger, and also a 43 that is fine. Takeup on my 45, meanwhile, is a gritty mess.

I’ve looked at every surface that I can think of for issues. Any suggestions? The most recent thing I did was to look at where the trigger bar can contact the right side slide release lever, lightly polishing and oiling that area seems to help.

[MGW]

Did you check the striker, striker channel, and safety plunger?

[Maca]

I had the same gritty trigger issue with my 19x, which would resolve itself with a complete frame disassembly and cleaning, but would resurface after a 150 round session. I finally sent it to Glock and they replaced the trigger bar assembly, trigger housing and connector. It now works great.

[HeavyDuty]

Did you check the striker, striker channel, and safety plunger?

Yes, nothing found.

It was definitely better today after hitting the trigger bar side and slide stop inner surface. I’m going to shoot it more and see what happens.

[HeavyDuty]

I had the same gritty trigger issue with my 19x, which would resolve itself with a complete frame disassembly and cleaning, but would resurface after a 150 round session. I finally sent it to Glock and they replaced the trigger bar assembly, trigger housing and connector. It now works great.

If it comes back, I’ll definitely be swapping out parts!