Precision Delta, .38 wadcutters

[GJM]

https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/38-spl-148gr-hbwc-remanufactured-ammunition/

I have been using Winchester 148 grain wadcutters. They work great, but are darn expensive. Anyone have experience with the precision delta wadcutters?

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https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/38-spl-148gr-hbwc-remanufactured-ammunition/

I have been using Winchester 148 grain wadcutters. They work great, but are darn expensive. Anyone have experience with the precision delta wadcutters?

Smoky but accurate as all get out. Heres where I posted about them before and several members bought and were happy with. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27325-22lr-practice-revolver-search-for-my-Father-in-law&p=642066&viewfull=1#post642066

Here is the first post. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27325-22lr-practice-revolver-search-for-my-Father-in-law&p=642002&viewfull=1#post642002 If you can catch them on sale they are one heck of a deal for practice ammo. LSP972 was the first person who told me about them and he highly recommended them.

[SAWBONES]

Yes, I'm going through a case of them now, and they are quite acceptably accurate and precise in a recently-acquired Ruger LCR and in Airweight J-frames. (I need to test them in steel and AirLight J-frames too, not just the Airweights, but haven't gotten around to it yet.)

Happily, they shoot to POA thus far, and of course have little felt recoil. They're also pretty clean. I consider them a relative bargain at the price offered.

[APS-PF]

Yeah, smoky compared to the federal match wadcutters. Also they chrono'd almost 100fps slower than the federals from my 6". But for the price and up close practice with a J frame they are just fine though. Compared to their "new" match wadcutters, the reloads do not use federal primers if that matters to you.

[hufnagel]

I'll concur on the smoky. Accuracy seems to be within my current skill set. However I bought them on the recommendation that they'd be softer shooting than 125gr or 158gr jacketed boolits. In that regards I'm wholly disappointed.

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My apologies for that. I felt them softer than the Federals I carry. Have you found something softer in the recoil department? Your post made me realize I posted incorrectly before what about Steve called bunny fart loads. I am trying to find that post with formula but not having any luck.I did find a good thread about wadcutters which I have now now saved and here is the tidbit from Steve in that thread about QC in reloaded ammo QC. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19273-Wadcutter-effectiveness&p=506773&viewfull=1#post506773 Miss that guy for sure.

Found this https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20015-Load-data-for-38-Special-WST-powder&p=434579&viewfull=1#post434579

Found this online

Not a straight wadcutter but I recently got a .38 and can't stop shooting SWCs.
158 gr SWC (Bayou) over 3.5 Titegroup. ~1.5" rested at 15 yards out of a 4" 686. Titegroup runs like water through the 550. Accurate and super soft. Doesn't make PF but that's not what I use it for.

[WDR]

I have not shot the PD loaded ammo, but I have been pretty happy with my results using their 148gr WC in my own handloads. They shipped promptly, and I'd order from them again without reservation. I did find a few bullets that were slightly deformed when swaging (underfilled?), but it was single digits in a 1000 round case.

If you are just looking for a cheaper practice WC load there is this available right now: http://www.sgammo.com/product/38-special-ammo/1000-round-case-38-special-148-grain-lead-wad-cutter-fiocchi-38la

It's not quite as cheap as the PD remanufactured stuff, but a bit cheaper than Win/Fed WC loads.

CCI/Speer makes an aluminum cased Blazer WC load, and SG Ammo had it for near 9mm prices a couple years ago, but I have not seen it available anywhere recently. I think they only do small runs at long intervals.

[Paul D]

I bought a case on sale for my Ruger Match Champion. Smoky as hell (don't shoot indoors) and precision is meh...I'll look something else.

[SamAdams]

Anybody try their PDP Pro version ?


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[Irelander]

Check out the wadcutters (http://www.georgia-arms.com/38-special-148gr-lead-wadcutter/)from Georgia Arms. They are currently out of stock but they usually get back in stock in quick order.

[APS-PF]

Anybody try their PDP Pro version ?


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Yes I use that in PPC. It's federal primed from new brass. I have not chronoed it yet but it seems a little softer than the federal match wadcutters. Right about the same cost as sale price federal gold medal match.

[LtDave]

I tried some of the remanufactured P-D wadcutters today out of three different J frames. They shot the tightest groups and closer to the sights out of all three guns as compared to Remington and Winchester factory wadcutters. They are smoky. Think I’ll order some of the Pro stuff.

[GJM]

I tried some of the remanufactured P-D wadcutters today out of three different J frames. They shot the tightest groups and closer to the sights out of all three guns as compared to Remington and Winchester factory wadcutters. They are smoky. Think I’ll order some of the Pro stuff.

What is the “Pro stuff?”

[LtDave]

The stuff loaded in new brass with Federal primers. Bottom of the P-D remanufactured product page. About $100/250.

[SamAdams]

Anybody run their Pro load thru a chrono ?
They don’t list velocities on their website.


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[OlongJohnson]

Anybody else have leading with these? I shot some through a 640-1 and it got all leaded up. Cleaned it out, tried again. 30 rounds in, it's all leaded up again. The bullets were even leaving strips of lead inside the cases (well, at least one I inspected closely had that). This is PD loaded ammo.

I'm going to try the PD WCs in the GP and some jacketed stuff in the 640 after I get it Chore Boyed again.

[David S.]

What is the “Pro stuff?”

https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/pdp-pro-38-special-148gr-hbwc/

[OlongJohnson]

Anybody else have leading with these? I shot some through a 640-1 and it got all leaded up. Cleaned it out, tried again. 30 rounds in, it's all leaded up again. The bullets were even leaving strips of lead inside the cases (well, at least one I inspected closely had that). This is PD loaded ammo.

I'm going to try the PD WCs in the GP and some jacketed stuff in the 640 after I get it Chore Boyed again.

Took the GP to the range in between that post and this one. Shot four cylinders of Speer GD 135gr +P, then six cylinders of the PD WCs through it. It resulted in severe leading, as feared. There was lead in and after the forcing cone in the barrel, lead in the throats of the cylinder, even lead in the chambers of the cylinder between where the cases ended and the throats begin. Just spent the afternoon deleading both guns. Chore Boy wrapped on a bronze brush only got a little of it.

Won't be doing that again if I can help it. Same results in two different guns from two different manufacturers. Took the partial boxes from the "shoot next" storage and put them back in the case box. At this point, I consider this ammo to be nothing more than hazardous waste. Can't pull it, can't fire it. Have to figure out how to get rid of it safely and legally.

[Inspector71]

Took the GP to the range in between that post and this one. Shot four cylinders of Speer GD 135gr +P, then six cylinders of the PD WCs through it. It resulted in severe leading, as feared. There was lead in and after the forcing cone in the barrel, lead in the throats of the cylinder, even lead in the chambers of the cylinder between where the cases ended and the throats begin. Just spent the afternoon deleading both guns. Chore Boy wrapped on a bronze brush only got a little of it.

Won't be doing that again if I can help it. Same results in two different guns from two different manufacturers. Took the partial boxes from the "shoot next" storage and put them back in the case box. At this point, I consider this ammo to be nothing more than hazardous waste. Can't pull it, can't fire it. Have to figure out how to get rid of it safely and legally.

As a long time PPC shooter and reloader, you learn to live with lead everywhere. Bottom line is accuracy. I don’t care if I produce “smoke” like a Civil War battlefield, nor my end of day bore scrubbing session to get any lead out. On target accuracy trumps these other minor issues.

[OlongJohnson]

I'm not saying wadcutters can't be a viable option (obviously they are), but there's something wrong with the batch I have here. The amount of lead that was deposited after 30 and 36 rounds is not compatible with accuracy or serviceability. If the projectile can't get out of the case without leaving a strip of lead behind, that ain't right.

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I'm not saying wadcutters can't be a viable option (obviously they are), but there's something wrong with the batch I have here. The amount of lead that was deposited after 30 and 36 rounds is not compatible with accuracy or serviceability. If the projectile can't get out of the case without leaving a strip of lead behind, that ain't right.

Have you contacted PD?

[camsdaddy]

I'm not saying wadcutters can't be a viable option (obviously they are), but there's something wrong with the batch I have here. The amount of lead that was deposited after 30 and 36 rounds is not compatible with accuracy or serviceability. If the projectile can't get out of the case without leaving a strip of lead behind, that ain't right.

I have begun shooting only this load in my 642. Previously I was shooting my loads of Acme 148 wadcutters and bullseye. I find them super accurate but they do smoke. I have not noticed any leading. I would guess Ive shot 500-550 this year through it. I guess I should check when I can take it out of my pocket and look a little closer.

[camsdaddy]

Check out the wadcutters (http://www.georgia-arms.com/38-special-148gr-lead-wadcutter/)from Georgia Arms. They are currently out of stock but they usually get back in stock in quick order.
Have you tried these vs the Precision Delta load? If so how did you find them accuracy wise and also did you find them smokey?

[andre3k]

I'm not saying wadcutters can't be a viable option (obviously they are), but there's something wrong with the batch I have here. The amount of lead that was deposited after 30 and 36 rounds is not compatible with accuracy or serviceability. If the projectile can't get out of the case without leaving a strip of lead behind, that ain't right.Its likely a sizing issue. Have you slugged your bore yet and take some measurements?

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[CTX44]

Great heads up. 22 cents per round for 38? I'll take it!

Softest shooting ammo I have found for relatively cheap is the Georgia Arms 125gr cowboy load, but it's 32-33 cents per round.

Generally 125gr cowboy loads, as manufactured by various places, are the softest shooting you're going to find in 38, unless you load them yourself.

[OlongJohnson]

This is among the cheaper prices for factory brass .38 practice ammo right now. They don't have a free ship for cases going on it. Really soft shooting, probably J frame friendly. Wasn't overly impressed with my accuracy when shooting it from the GP. Will be testing other stuff.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/cci-blazer-brass-38-special-125-gr-fmj-5204.html

[Irelander]

Have you tried these vs the Precision Delta load? If so how did you find them accuracy wise and also did you find them smokey?

I have not tried the PD load. I did not like the Georgia Arms wadcutters they leaded really bad in my 642.

I currently carry the Precision One copper coated wadcutters. They are super accurate in my 642 and shoot clean. They are a little hotter than the Remington target wadcutters but still plenty managible in an Airweight j-frame.

[camsdaddy]

I have not tried the PD load. I did not like the Georgia Arms wadcutters they leaded really bad in my 642.

I currently carry the Precision One copper coated wadcutters. They are super accurate in my 642 and shoot clean. They are a little hotter than the Remington target wadcutters but still plenty managible in an Airweight j-frame.

It looks like Precision one uses xtreme wadcutters. I ordered from xtreme in the past but have been skittish since Freedom's financial issues. If I can catch them with free shipping I will place another order.

[willie]

This vendor offers 4 brands of wadcutter: Black Hills, Fiocchi, Magtech, and Federal Premium.

Ammunitiontogo.com.
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Nice folks.

[willie]

Leading with wadcutter ammo occurs most frequently in instances where it is loaded improperly. Most often small ammo companies make this error. This occurs when the case expander does not expand the case as far down as it should to accommodate the longer wadcutter bullet. In years past brass for wadcutter ammo was drawn differently to provide marginally greater internal volume. Obviously the expander should have different dimensions. Best wadcutter reloads are produced when seating the bullet into a fired case, which then is run into a Lee factory crimp die or a Redding profile crimp die. Yes this a lot of trouble.

To friend Olong I have a suggestion that may allow him to salvage his bad wadcutter batch. No promises, though. Buy a can of Johnson Floor wax or a similar wax. Then gently dot each end of bullets into wax. Or apply a dab with your finger. This step might permit firing this ammo with much less leading. Regardless, no harm will be done.

[WDR]

Anybody else have leading with these?


I bought some of the HBWC component bullets, to reload myself, and I have indeed seen some leading, but not so bad I was concerned about it. If you are coming from a background of mostly auto pistol rounds and jacketed bullets, I could see how it might be alarming. I didn't notice much difference in leading between some older Winchester WC, some current production Remington (filthy stuff, powder wise, yuck), and my own W231/PD WC hand loads in new Starline brass, for whatever that is worth. I think its pretty standard for soft swaged wadcutters to leave lead behind in bores and cylinders... but I didn't grow up shooting revolvers during their heyday either.

Part of my problem, I think, is that I mistakenly ordered the .357" sized "match lube" version, instead of the standard .358" bullets, thinking I was saving myself some mess with the "dry" match lube. The .357" sized bullets are intended for tight bore PPC match guns, and not stock J-frame snubby bores. I didn't realize the difference in sizing until it was too late. Undersized bullets, particularly with soft swaged lead, are more likely to lead things up.

All this said, the accuracy I've had with the PD HBWC has been damn good, IMHO. And I really like the idea of a concave face to the bullet, if I ever had to press them into defensive service, and the PD bullets do have this shape. I'm not convinced they will make a better wound than a flat faced or button nosed WC, but it just seems logical that they would "bite and cut" better than a square shoulder or beveled shoulder, like that found on most DEWC bullets.

I have been debating what WC bullets to try next since the PD ones I bought are almost shot up, and will likely buy some Acme or Bayou coated ones, to try to reduce leading, and lead exposure while reloading.

[Spartan1980]

A sample of one, but I've had really good luck with the Hornady 147 HBWC. I've seen no leading at all in several different guns, which surprised me. I'm using WST powder which is a really good powder for lead bullets in moderate to light loads.

[willie]

I bought some of the HBWC component bullets, to reload myself, and I have indeed seen some leading, but not so bad I was concerned about it. If you are coming from a background of mostly auto pistol rounds and jacketed bullets, I could see how it might be alarming. I didn't notice much difference in leading between some older Winchester WC, some current production Remington (filthy stuff, powder wise, yuck), and my own W231/PD WC hand loads in new Starline brass, for whatever that is worth. I think its pretty standard for soft swaged wadcutters to leave lead behind in bores and cylinders... but I didn't grow up shooting revolvers during their heyday either.

Part of my problem, I think, is that I mistakenly ordered the .357" sized "match lube" version, instead of the standard .358" bullets, thinking I was saving myself some mess with the "dry" match lube. The .357" sized bullets are intended for tight bore PPC match guns, and not stock J-frame snubby bores. I didn't realize the difference in sizing until it was too late. Undersized bullets, particularly with soft swaged lead, are more likely to lead things up.

All this said, the accuracy I've had with the PD HBWC has been damn good, IMHO. And I really like the idea of a concave face to the bullet, if I ever had to press them into defensive service, and the PD bullets do have this shape. I'm not convinced they will make a better wound than a flat faced or button nosed WC, but it just seems logical that they would "bite and cut" better than a square shoulder or beveled shoulder, like that found on most DEWC bullets.

I have been debating what WC bullets to try next since the PD ones I bought are almost shot up, and will likely buy some Acme or Bayou coated ones, to try to reduce leading, and lead exposure while reloading.


Years ago I had a custom expander made to resolve leading issues with wadcutter bullets. Today you can buy a custom expander from Buffalo Arms. http://www.buffaloarms.com

[OlongJohnson]

Someone else asked if I've contacted PD. I did, and have received no response to date.


Its likely a sizing issue. Have you slugged your bore yet and take some measurements?

Haven't slugged bores. Throats (cleaned of lead etc.) are .359 on the 640-1 and .358 on the GP, passing ZZ- gage pins of the stated size.

Should be big enough to not cause problems with the bullets being sized down smaller than the grooves. In any case, these are hollow base wadcutters, so the bottoms of them should expand, making them less susceptible to that issue. And that wouldn't explain why they are leading in the chambers before the throats, as well as severely in the throats.

Might make sense if the bullets are significantly undersized. There could be charge peeling lead off the outside as the leading surfaces are engraving, etc. There was molten lead on the face of the cylinder and under the top strap of the GP, which would be consistent with escaping charge picking it up off the skirts while the front was engraving. There wasn't any lead I could see much past the threaded part of the barrel, so if the skirts did obturate and seal during/after engraving, that might explain what's going on. Willie's post would make some sense in this context.

I could dive down this rabbit hole and play with lubes like the guys over on castboolits, or I could just buy cheap jacketed factory ammo and spend my time doing my job and other things I can't find a way to get done without taking on new technical challenges.

ETA: Just checked the PD web site, and the bullets are described as .357 diameter. Which is weird. All the reading I've done says you want unjacketed bullets to be ~0.001 larger than groove diameter and the throat diameters to match that. Typically, this nominally means something along the lines of a 0.357 diameter groove gets a .358 bullet/throat. Are PPC guns built with custom barrels having .356 grooves? Hornady's swaged lead bullets are all listed at .358. I have a box, might have to load them up in some other cases.

Consider this an offer to anyone in (better yet, passing through) the Houston area - I'll give you a case and a half of this problem if you want it. You just have to promise not to complain or try to give it back.

[willie]

Someone else asked if I've contacted PD. I did, and have received no response to date.



Haven't slugged bores. Throats (cleaned of lead etc.) are .359 on the 640-1 and .358 on the GP, passing ZZ- gage pins of the stated size.

Should be big enough to not cause problems with the bullets being sized down smaller than the grooves. In any case, these are hollow base wadcutters, so the bottoms of them should expand, making them less susceptible to that issue. And that wouldn't explain why they are leading in the chambers before the throats, as well as severely in the throats.

Might make sense if the bullets are significantly undersized. There could be charge peeling lead off the outside as the leading surfaces are engraving, etc. There was molten lead on the face of the cylinder and under the top strap of the GP, which would be consistent with escaping charge picking it up off the skirts while the front was engraving. There wasn't any lead I could see much past the threaded part of the barrel, so if the skirts did obturate and seal during/after engraving, that might explain what's going on. Willie's post would make some sense in this context.

I could dive down this rabbit hole and play with lubes like the guys over on castboolits, or I could just buy cheap jacketed factory ammo and spend my time doing my job and other things I can't find a way to get done without taking on new technical challenges.

ETA: Just checked the PD web site, and the bullets are described as .357 diameter. Which is weird. All the reading I've done says you want unjacketed bullets to be ~0.001 larger than groove diameter and the throat diameters to match that. Typically, this nominally means something along the lines of a 0.357 diameter groove gets a .358 bullet/throat. Are PPC guns built with custom barrels having .356 grooves? Hornady's swaged lead bullets are all listed at .358. I have a box, might have to load them up in some other cases.

Consider this an offer to anyone in (better yet, passing through) the Houston area - I'll give you a case and a half of this problem if you want it. You just have to promise not to complain or try to give it back.

You are perplexed that you have examples of .357 diameter lead bullets when best practice verifies that the diameter should be at least .358. The reason is that the manufacturer arbitrarily decided to produce .357 bullets. No other reason. So what diameter is a custom barrel? It may be .357 or .358, but the .359 example could show up. The famous Colt Python and Colt Officer Model target revolvers had .356 bores. Extreme leading is occurring because the case itself is not being expanded far enough down. A negative outcome is that the undersized case is sizing down the soft lead bullet. You might think that the hollow base of hollow base wadcutter would size down but then expand back up upon firing. However if the cases are on the thick end of the scale, and if the expander is too short and undersized to start with, the result is a distorted bullet. Hot gas is flowing past the base. The result is leading.

See custom expanders from Buffalo Arms. If you are using Dillon equipment, a custom powder funnel can be made for wadcutter bullets.

[OlongJohnson]

I bought these as loaded ammo (reman cases) from PD.

It’s perplexing that I’m having problems that are predictable once understood, but I seem to be the only one either noticing or having the opinion that it’s a problem. All the other reviews I find are positive. Not the first time for that, unfortunately.

[SAWBONES]

I have both Precision Delta's reloads and premium .38 Special 148gr lead wadcutters, and find that they shoot to the same POA. They're somewhat smokey, like all lead-bulleted loads, but no worse than others in that respect.

Leading?
Sure, some, but again, nothing unusual IME compared to other non-hardcast lead bullets, whether WC, SWC or LSWCHP from Winchester, Remington and Buffalo Bore.

(In my case all Precision Delta WC loads have been shot only in snubbys of barrel length 1 7/8" to 3" length.)

[OlongJohnson]

The 640-1 is a snubby J, all stainless chambered for .357M.

The GP is the Match Champion with 4.2-inch barrel. None of the lead I took out of either of them was very far past the threaded portion, at least after the first pass with Chore Boy.

I remembered that I bought a .3585 ZZ- pin over the winter (don't keep it in the set case). Checked the throats on the GP this morning, and it passes easily with no or just a little drag in all six. The .359 did not enter.

[willie]

Precision Delta has a good reputation. Have you considered contacting them? I bet that a friendly phone call would result in their replacing the ammo.

[Jamie]

I have been debating what WC bullets to try next since the PD ones I bought are almost shot up, and will likely buy some Acme or Bayou coated ones, to try to reduce leading, and lead exposure while reloading.

A couple of friends and myself cast and powder coat our own .38 and 9mm bullets, but I have excellent results using Rainier 148 gr DEWC bullets for at least the past 15 years.
I load the Rainier bullets with AA#2, W231 and Titegroup. My preference is AA#2 for these rounds.

The Rainier 148 gr DEWC's are still available at Midway. I picked up another 1000 round box a couple of months ago and they are still on sale for $72.57.

If a person handloads these, and powder coated bullets (I can only speak to my own), certainly removed any leading concerns.

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Precision Delta has a good reputation. Have you considered contacting them? I bet that a friendly phone call would result in their replacing the ammo.

I’d second this. I would mention you are on PF and that Steve (LSP 972) is the one who brought PD to the attention to the forum. You could reach out to LSP552 for Steves last name.

[Jeep]

I’d second this. I would mention you are on PF and that Steve (LSP 972) is the one who brought PD to the attention to the forum. You could reach out to LSP552 for Steves last name.

Steve's name was Steve Campbell. A terrific guy.

[LSP552]

Steve's name was Steve Campbell. A terrific guy.

Yes sir!

It’s been so long since I had contact with Precision Delta, I can’t help with contact info. However, they were always a straight up company and I’d bet they will make right any actual problems.

[Shumba]

Before shooting lead bullets it is important to clean every bit of copper fouling from the bore and chambers.
I learned this the hard way with my Smith pre model 27 over 40 years ago.
Any remaining jacket material grabs the softer lead and it only gets worse.
The LASC cast bullet website is a great resource for those shooting lead.
HTH,
Shumba

[OlongJohnson]

I'm reasonably organized and was able to email back the original order email when contacting PD about this. PD emailed me shipping labels for the cases. They'll be heading back tomorrow. Will update with whatever they tell me. So far, I'm pleased with the service. They offered to replace the product immediately, but I declined as that wouldn't help either of us if the new stuff they sent was exactly like this.

[noylj]

Don't know if I've commented before, but:
All current swaged bullets at 11-13 BHN, plenty hard enough for even a .44 Rem Mag.
Bullets must FIT.
The best wadcutters, and the cheapest, were Remington—who decided to stop making them and concentrate on more profit.
These were 0.360" at the base and were a lot more accurate than any others I have tested.
IF shooting HBWCs, keep speed well under 800 fps, as a higher velocity the skirt will separate and either make two holes in the paper or leave a barrel obstruction.

[OlongJohnson]

A couple of friends and myself cast and powder coat our own .38 and 9mm bullets, but I have excellent results using Rainier 148 gr DEWC bullets for at least the past 15 years.
I load the Rainier bullets with AA#2, W231 and Titegroup. My preference is AA#2 for these rounds.

The Rainier 148 gr DEWC's are still available at Midway. I picked up another 1000 round box a couple of months ago and they are still on sale for $72.57.

If a person handloads these, and powder coated bullets (I can only speak to my own), certainly removed any leading concerns.

I just measured a few of the Rainiers, and they are closer to .358 than .357. May pick up a few more boxes for the new Dillon to chew on.

[Jamie]

I just measured a few of the Rainiers, and they are closer to .358 than .357. May pick up a few more boxes for the new Dillon to chew on.

I think you'll like them. I ran about 100 through my Model 10 (replaced the springs) a few days ago. They rounds/gun are more accurate than I am.

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Got an email from Precision Delta that their pro wadcutters are in stock. Its been quite a while since they have had any.

[Blades]

Got an email from Precision Delta that their pro wadcutters are in stock. Its been quite a while since they have had any.

Are these the "ones" recommended by the people who carry j-frames? :)

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Are these the "ones" recommended by the people who carry j-frames? :)

PD is really for practice. From a former member who was quite knowledgable in the subject he recommended defensive ammo should come from a major manufacture such as Winchester Remington Federal as examples. He said the lines used to produce ammo from these mfgs have built in quality control that was not available from a smaller company.
Im not sure how Black Hills loads their ammo i think they have govt contracts.

This ammo was discussed recently its especially formulated for subs. I have no idea of their loading practices.
https://www.georgia-arms.com/38-special-snub-nose-148gr-wadcutter-20pk/

Our own Lost River loads ammo that he sells he goes from mild to wild in the 38 spectrum.

[Blades]

PD is really for practice. From a former member who was quite knowledgable in the subject he recommended defensive ammo should come from a major manufacture such as Winchester Remington Federal as examples. He said the lines used to produce ammo from these mfgs have built in quality control that was not available from a smaller company.
Im not sure how Black Hills loads their ammo i think they have govt contracts.

This ammo was discussed recently its especially formulated for subs. I have no idea of their loading practices.
https://www.georgia-arms.com/38-special-snub-nose-148gr-wadcutter-20pk/

Our own Lost River loads ammo that he sells he goes from mild to wild in the 38 spectrum.

Georgia Arms was the one I couldn't remember from the podcast and I couldn't find the podcast again. Thank you.

[Nick B]

If you’re reloading PD’s wad cutters on a Dillon there’s a company called UniqueTek that sells extended powder funnels to expand the case deeper for the longer wadcutter bullet .
WWW.UniqueTek.com .

[sharps54]

Georgia Arms was the one I couldn't remember from the podcast and I couldn't find the podcast again. Thank you.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-off-duty-on-duty-podcast/id1532606787?i=1000598534194

The Off Duty On Duty Podcast

[Blades]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-off-duty-on-duty-podcast/id1532606787?i=1000598534194

The Off Duty On Duty Podcast

That explains why I couldn't find it. I thought it was Primary/Secondary. Thank you.

[358156hp]

If you’re reloading PD’s wad cutters on a Dillon there’s a company called UniqueTek that sells extended powder funnels to expand the case deeper for the longer wadcutter bullet .
WWW.UniqueTek.com .

I just bought one of these for my 550 but haven't had a chance to use it yet since I'm still knee deep in loading practice ammo for my M&P 9C. The damn thing has such a tight chamber that I don't load cast bullets for it, I load a couple of thousand practice loads with .355 bulk bullets to keep it happy.

Next up is 38 & 357 cast hollowpoints, then cast wadcutters. All powdercoated of course.:)

[chances R]

PD wadcutters is what I roll with for range and carry in .38 Special. Going to be hard to find much of anything else.