Raven Concealment Systems Perun (Phantom Replacement)

[DAVE_M]

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[DpdG]

RCSMichael

Any idea on ballpark timeline for P320+ TLR-1HL? Technically it's a Carry/Compact, but I'd have no problem with a full-size/generic P320 sizing. I'm going to need holster for that combo soon (next month or so), and if the Perun will be available for that fitment soon I'll likely hold out for it.

[RCSMichael]

RCSMichael

Any idea on ballpark timeline for P320+ TLR-1HL? Technically it's a Carry/Compact, but I'd have no problem with a full-size/generic P320 sizing. I'm going to need holster for that combo soon (next month or so), and if the Perun will be available for that fitment soon I'll likely hold out for it.

Sorry for the lag...I was on the road last week for SOFIC and didn't have time to monitor the forums.

The P320 Compact will be the first Sig model to drop, and they should begin cutting the mold cavities for it in the next couple weeks. The LC versions are a bit further behind, but in the works.

[Peally]

Still following this puppy. Eagerly awaiting the VP9 model to complement my old phantom.

[DpdG]

Sorry for the lag...I was on the road last week for SOFIC and didn't have time to monitor the forums.

The P320 Compact will be the first Sig model to drop, and they should begin cutting the mold cavities for it in the next couple weeks. The LC versions are a bit further behind, but in the works.

Thank you and no worries for the delay. Safe to assume “a bit further behind” is a month or two after the regular P320? If that’s the case, I’ll hold off purchasing a competitor’s product.

[Francis]

RCSMichael

First, thank you for taking the time to keep tabs on this thread.

I saw this in the description for the G19 Perun..."The Glock Perun is compatible with generation 3-5 Glock pistols." Is the gen 2 19 intentionally excluded or just omitted due to age? If it's not compatible with gen 2 what makes it so?

Thanks - Francis

[DAVE_M]

Had a chance to run the Perun LC in for a few hours in class yesterday. It was subjected to being slammed on the dirt in barricade drills, shooting under barricades, and running a lot of movement drills. I thought I would dislike the dual sweat guards, but it doesn't bother me. If I were using a carbine and the Perun while doing similar drills, I like that the outer sweat guard protects the gun somewhat.

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[RCSMichael]

RCSMichael

First, thank you for taking the time to keep tabs on this thread.

I saw this in the description for the G19 Perun..."The Glock Perun is compatible with generation 3-5 Glock pistols." Is the gen 2 19 intentionally excluded or just omitted due to age? If it's not compatible with gen 2 what makes it so?

Thanks - Francis

You could try it, but it's probably going to be too loose. Basically, Glock frames have grown slightly chunkier over the years/generations. Even early Gen 3 guns can be a little sloppy in the Perun. We could have made the holster able to accommodate a wider range of frame sizes, but that would have made the fitment less optimal for all of them. We made the choice to optimize it for the newer guns, so the older ones will be up to the user to determine if the fit is acceptable -- but we aren't responsible if it does not have safe levels of retention since we excluded it from the list.

[Francis]

You could try it, but it's probably going to be too loose. Basically, Glock frames have grown slightly chunkier over the years/generations. Even early Gen 3 guns can be a little sloppy in the Perun. We could have made the holster able to accommodate a wider range of frame sizes, but that would have made the fitment less optimal for all of them. We made the choice to optimize it for the newer guns, so the older ones will be up to the user to determine if the fit is acceptable -- but we aren't responsible if it does not have safe levels of retention since we excluded it from the list.
RCSMichael

Thank you for the info. I have gen 2 and 4 so will order with fair warning.

Thank you again.

[krax]

Now that I've had Peruns for a month or so, I'm happy to say that I've got no issues with it. The dual sweat guards are not a problem at all.

I do still wish for 1.75" belt loops so that I can use it more often, but for now the Perun fills a niche at work between my AIWB setup and my semi-concealed OWB setup. It's an ideal holster under a sport coat.

[RJ]

Now that I've had Peruns for a month or so, I'm happy to say that I've got no issues with it. The dual sweat guards are not a problem at all.

I do still wish for 1.75" belt loops so that I can use it more often, but for now the Perun fills a niche at work between my AIWB setup and my semi-concealed OWB setup. It's an ideal holster under a sport coat.

I agree. Wear mine every day I am able.

I set mine for AOWB.

I have similar feelings about the sweat guards, nonissue for me either.

Fit is secure for either my G19.5 or G26.5.

Love the price too.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Also, even if the guards bothered someone, the material is pretty easy to work. Tin snips and a piece of sandpaper and you can have nice, smooth edges where you cut it down.


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[richiecotite]

I agree. Wear mine every day I am able.

I set mine for AOWB.

I have similar feelings about the sweat guards, nonissue for me either.

Fit is secure for either my G19.5 or G26.5.

Love the price too.

Rich, you carry appendix outside the waistband?

[RJ]

Rich, you carry appendix outside the waistband?

Yes.

[RJ]

Yes.

I feel like I should amplify this a bit: I had a need for a holster that would account for a lot of sitting in a truck and living at a campsite for a good part of the year. I am also not young and thin, being more of a roundish shape than when I was in my 20s. My experience with AIWB was limited to test-fitting a few holsters which resulted in discomfort, mainly sitting down.

I was suggested a Mitch Rosen Upper Limit by GJM for my P30SK, which also worked well for my G19 (The Upper Limit is a leather OWB).

I normally wore/wear camping zip off shorts with a 1 1/2" leather gun belt (also Mitch Rosen) and the Upper Limit worked well, sliding from AOWB location (standing) over and left (I am a lefty) slightly on the belt when sitting. It worked well.

I bought a used RCS Eidolon, which had a crack in the attachment bracket. I contacted RCS who offered me (astonishingly for used holster, I felt) a full replacement for the Eidolon bracket or a new RCS Perun (my choice) for my G19.5.

The Perun is really working out; lightweight, strong, very reasonable price. And for me, fully ambi is a huge deal. Plus the setup works well for me for the aforrementioned AOWB position.

[Up1911Fan]

RCSMichael, did you guy's drop the moduloaders?

[S R]

RCSMichael, did you guy's drop the moduloaders?

I know right!? There is no more versitile mag holster system in existance than the RCS Moduloader with HSGI Tacos. I have one for pistol and one for rifle and its the most solid gear I have wether I'm shooting USPSA competition or long range or training or hunting or whatever. There is no better system in existance. If they stopped making it I'm going to start looking for someone selling theirs just to get another.

[S R]

Sorry for the lag...I was on the road last week for SOFIC and didn't have time to monitor the forums.

The P320 Compact will be the first Sig model to drop, and they should begin cutting the mold cavities for it in the next couple weeks. The LC versions are a bit further behind, but in the works.

Looking forward to it. Been buying your stuff since before Trek was modeling it. Have a special run MDFI phantom around somewhere.

Really glad to hear you're going to support the P320. I'd buy a fullsize Perun or Eidolon the second they are available. I assume it's still in the works?

[DAVE_M]

I know right!? There is no more versitile mag holster system in existance than the RCS Moduloader with HSGI Tacos. I have one for pistol and one for rifle and its the most solid gear I have wether I'm shooting USPSA competition or long range or training or hunting or whatever. There is no better system in existance. If they stopped making it I'm going to start looking for someone selling theirs just to get another.

The Moduloaders were dropped to make something better.

I like the Moduloaders, but as Michael had previously stated, something that doesn't require seven hands to install is in the future.

[S R]

The Moduloaders were dropped to make something better.

I like the Moduloaders, but as Michael had previously stated, something that doesn't require seven hands to install is in the future.

Meh... You need to install once. I don't really care. So long as something can do the same job at holding the excellent Tacos I've come to know and love.

On the RCS SIG holsters though, going to need a some action on that front!

[JR1572]

http://rcsgear.com/perun-owb-holster-glock-with-tlr7-8/

RCS released the Perun for the 19 with a TLR-7/8. My order has been placed.

[MVS]

Needing a light bearing left handed holster to try with my new X300U and not wanting to wait or pay a ton, I ordered one.

[Trukinjp13]

Received both of these today. Very impressed with fit and finish. The tlr7 model is high and tight and should conceal quite well with minimal work. The x300 is obviously longer but not bad.

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[Kyle Reese]

Just wrapped up a 2 week firearms instructor course using the Perun. I like this holster a lot, and think that it represents outstanding quality and performance for the money.

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[Trukinjp13]

The retention on my tlr7 is very lacking. With it set to max it is barely “clicking” in. I can barely pull on the gun and it comes out. The x300 model on the other hand has good retention at halfway adjustment. Going to contact rcs, hopefully this can be addressed. I really like the holster but the retention is pretty pathetic in the tlr7 as of now.

[DAVE_M]

The retention on my tlr7 is very lacking. With it set to max it is barely “clicking” in. I can barely pull on the gun and it comes out. The x300 model on the other hand has good retention at halfway adjustment. Going to contact rcs, hopefully this can be addressed. I really like the holster but the retention is pretty pathetic in the tlr7 as of now.

Read the instructions.

I had the same issue, but ultimately read the instructions and noted that I should remove the spacer.

[Trukinjp13]

Read the instructions.

I had the same issue, but ultimately read the instructions and noted that I should remove the spacer.

Thank you I will check tonight.

[Trukinjp13]

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14hr day at the shop so excuse me if I am missing something obvious. But where is this spacer at, and where in the instructions am I missing about it?

[JR1572]

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14hr day at the shop so excuse me if I am missing something obvious. But where is this spacer at, and where in the instructions am I missing about it?

I may be wrong, but I believe the whole spacer thing applies to the TLR-1/TLR-1HL version, not the TLR-7 version. I have both and only the TLR-1 version has the spacer.

I’ll post some pics of them tomorrow.

The retention on my holster feels fine, but I’ll compare the retention with all of my 19 variants (4,5, & X) and see if I’m having any issues.

JR1572

[Trukinjp13]

I may be wrong, but I believe the whole spacer thing applies to the TLR-1/TLR-1HL version, not the TLR-7 version. I have both and only the TLR-1 version has the spacer.

I’ll post some pics of them tomorrow.

The retention on my holster feels fine, but I’ll compare the retention with all of my 19 variants (4,5, & X) and see if I’m having any issues.

JR1572

The retention is good on the x300 as well. My issue is the tlr7. I do not know if it’s because the housing is smaller and squared vs the bigger round housing of the larger wml. Thank you for the info.

[DAVE_M]

The washer/spacer is tiny. If you remove the screw and post, it should fall out.

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[DMF13]

A friend was issued a Perun and TLR-7, for a Glock 19, but hasn’t been issued the new gun yet. Apparently, his agency is waiting on delivery of the guns, but already got the holsters. Knowing I have a Glock 19, he loaned me the holster and light to try out. Over the last month I’ve done hundreds of draws, and re-holstering, using the Perun.

I had to put the tension all the way to the max setting, and there it does a relatively decent job with retention. However, I wish it was much better. I prefer a good solid “snap” in and out, and it should require a very hard pull to get the gun out, in my opinion. While the Perun is better than others I’ve tried, there is no solid snap in and out, and it doesn’t require enough force to get the gun out. There are holsters that are capable of that with pistols that do not have a weapon mounted light (WML), but I’ve not found that yet with a holster for a WML.

Clearing the holster is not a finesse move, in my opinion, so I prefer a holster that requires I “grip it and rip it.” I don’t want the gun coming out inadvertently during a fight (or during backflips in bars!). While far from perfect, the Perun is better than other options I’ve tried for a pistol with a WML. To be fair, I’m doing a bit of “apples to oranges” comparison, as I’ve previously tried holsters using a Glock 22, with both a Surefire X300 and a Streamlight TLR-1, but with the Perun I’ve only tried a Glock 19 with the TLR-7, and no other versions of the Perun holster for other lights.

For a “plastic” OWB rig it sits tight to the body, with both the straight drop and the 10 degree cant attachments. It conceals just as well as my old Phantoms, and similar “pancake” style OWB holsters I’ve used. The holster I tried also came with an option to use Raven’s “Quick Mount Straps” (QMS). I did not like that option when I tried it. That set up let the loops pull away from my belt slightly, and I felt it impacted both the stability of the holster on the body and concealment. However, it might work better with a wider belt, as my everyday carry belt is a 1.25” wide double layer horsehide belt.

If you like sweat shields on your holsters, the ones on the Perun are well done. I thought the “extra” sweat shield would be annoying, but it’s not. It definitely benefits the manufacturer, and large contract buyers, to have the holster be completely ambidextrous, including the sweat shields. However, the benefit to the single purchase customer is that it probably keeps costs down across the board, because there is no need to support manufacturing for the 20%, or so, who are “lefties,” versus the larger number of “righties.”

Now, for those of us, myself included, who don’t like sweat shields, the benefits of them have been greatly overstated previously on this thread. I clearly remember, because I bought a couple of them, when the Phantom was available with a very minimal (practically non-existent) sweat shield, called the “MD cut” version. Raven Concealment used to describe the “MD cut” saying, “A Short body shield will also allow your thumb to come to rest against the weapon for a full firing grip before the draw is started. We leave enough material to also aid in re-holstering and to help keep your clothing out of the holster mouth.” (http://rcsgear.com/faq/#fivea)
I’m one of those people who think the full sweat shield interferes with establishing the grip on the gun, and I’m willing to sacrifice a small amount of comfort, for the benefit of being able to quickly/easily/more reliably establish a good grip on the gun. However, it’s not that hard to cut them down, and sand the rough edges smooth, as I’ve done it on other holsters.

In summary, it conceals well for an OWB holster, has better retention for a holster made for a gun with a WML than the other options I’ve tried (although I wish it was much better), and it does that at half the price of many other options. While it’s far from perfect, it’s the best I’ve used so far with a WML, and I am considering purchasing one, as we are also transitioning to the Glock 19 and TLR-7 at my job.

[Trukinjp13]

The washer/spacer is tiny. If you remove the screw and post, it should fall out.

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Mine did not have a washer. But I am just going to live with the retention for now. I may drill a hole on the snout and put a screw/nut to close the bottom. There is a tiny gap even at full retention.

[DAVE_M]

Mine did not have a washer. But I am just going to live with the retention for now. I may drill a hole on the snout and put a screw/nut to close the bottom. There is a tiny gap even at full retention.

You may want to reach out to RCS.

[Trukinjp13]

You may want to reach out to RCS.

They also told me to remove the washer...I need to contact them again. Basically once the jmck iwb3 arrived the perun went in the drawer.

[JoeSixPack]

On my G19/TLR7 model, the retention doesn't seem to have anything to do with the light other than it helps prevent it from rocking. The retention is from molded in tabs that mate with the frame indentions at the slide lock. A finger squeeze to increase the tension over those areas on both sides of the slide increases the retention. Near the tabs, there are two molded in standoffs on each side that are likely there to provide just the right amount of insertion of the tabs into the recessed areas of the frame. YMMV and you're on your own, but if they're oversized for your slide or deformed, dressing them down may increase the retention.
Best,
JSP

[DMF13]

They also told me to remove the washer...I need to contact them again. Basically once the jmck iwb3 arrived the perun went in the drawer.Does the gun have a solid snap in and out with the TLR-7, like I mentioned above? I'm really eager to find a holster that has that nice hard snap in/out and requires a really hard pull to release the gun. Like I said in my review of the Perun I have been able to get that in holsters without a WML, but not with any holster that is made for a WML.

[Trukinjp13]

Does the gun have a solid snap in and out with the TLR-7, like I mentioned above? I'm really eager to find a holster that has that nice hard snap in/out and requires a really hard pull to release the gun. Like I said in my review of the Perun I have been able to get that in holsters without a WML, but not with any holster that is made for a WML.

Idk about a snap. But the retention is solid. I also do not have it cranked down much. It is light years ahead of the perun, and has room to go for retention. Believe me the gun is going nowhere cranked down.

[DMF13]

Idk about a snap. But the retention is solid. I also do not have it cranked down much. It is light years ahead of the perun, and has room to go for retention. Believe me the gun is going nowhere cranked down.Thanks for the info. That makes me more comfortable about dropping some cash to get one.

[Trukinjp13]

Thanks for the info. That makes me more comfortable about dropping some cash to get one.

I have had quite a few iwb3 holsters now. And two light bearing iwb3 rigs. One for aplc and one for tlr7. They have all been perfection.

G19.5/tlr7
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[DMF13]

Thanks! I'll be ordering one soon.

[Rc217]

Sorry if this was already covered but.... Does anyone know what the issue is with this holster and gen 5 glocks using a x300u/a instead of the b? Thanks.

[Trukinjp13]

Sorry if this was already covered but.... Does anyone know what the issue is with this holster and gen 5 glocks using a x300u/a instead of the b? Thanks.


I have been using mine with the two x300ua I own.
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[Rc217]

Thanks for the pics. I had one in my cart to purchase and noticed it says it isn’t compatible with gen 5’s and the x330u/a, whichbis what I have. So I guess there are no retention problems with yours or anything?

[einherjarvalk]

Where did you see that? I didn't see it on RCS's page and I've been using a G19.5 with X300U-A too.

[Rc217]

Here is what the site says:
The Glock Perun LC is compatible with generation 3-5 Glock 9mm/.40S&W/.357Sig Glock pistols (up to Glock 34/35 length slide) with a Surefire X-300U/B weapon light attached. Also, the Surefire X-300U/A light for Gen 3 and Gen 4 firearms. For example, this holster will accommodate a Glock 19, Glock 17, or Glock 34 with the Surefire X-300U A/B weapon light mounted on it.

[Trukinjp13]

Thanks for the pics. I had one in my cart to purchase and noticed it says it isn’t compatible with gen 5’s and the x330u/a, whichbis what I have. So I guess there are no retention problems with yours or anything?

Mine works perfect.

[JR1572]

Looks like some new Perun holsters are going to get released on Black Friday.

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/11/22/raven-concealment-systems-launches-new-products/

[Up1911Fan]

Still no M&P but a LC9? Wow.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Still no M&P but a LC9? Wow.

Yeah...LC9?

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[JR1572]

Still no M&P but a LC9? Wow.

Yeah, I’m curious about that too.

[scjbash]

Still no M&P but a LC9? Wow.

32598

[HopetonBrown]

I don't even know what a Ruger EC9 is.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Still no M&P but a LC9? Wow.

I'm finding it quite interesting that one is borderline SOL - with several holster companies - unless they are right handers carrying a Glock.

When I saw the announcement I had high hopes. Dashed.

Oh well. I've bought a couple JMCK holsters in the last 13-14 months and am quite happy with them. PHLster seems to have finally acknowledged that left handers & non-Glocks exist though I'm awaiting actual L/H feedback.

[RCSMichael]

Yeah...LC9?

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We were stunned to learn in meetings with Ruger how many units of the LC9, LC9s, and EC9 they had sold, and continue to sell, even in a very soft market for gun sales. Several of our dealers that are gun stores have reported that the LC9 family is their top-selling handgun, particularly with first-time gun buyers. Apart from the raw number of units sold, the appeal for us was the opportunity to be the first holster for these first-time buyers, because establishing that sort of primacy with a new customer is crucial to ensuring they buy their second, third, and fourth holsters from RCS, also. If this model sells well (initial results have been strong), we will likely also produce a Perun for the Security 9, and possibly also offer VG2 support for them. If not, the LC9 will likely be the only Ruger offering we produce.

By contrast, the combined sales of Perun, Morrigan, and VG2 for the M&P Shield have been lackluster, despite the enormous number of Shields that have been sold. M&P owners haven't exactly given me a lot of motivation outside of bitching on social media as to why I should expand model support for the full size and compact M&P 2.0. We still plan to support those guns eventually, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assign them a low priority based on historic sales data for our existing lines.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

We were stunned to learn in meetings with Ruger how many units of the LC9, LC9s, and EC9 they had sold, and continue to sell, even in a very soft market for gun sales. Several of our dealers that are gun stores have reported that the LC9 family is their top-selling handgun, particularly with first-time gun buyers. Apart from the raw number of units sold, the appeal for us was the opportunity to be the first holster for these first-time buyers, because that establishing that sort of primacy with a new customer is crucial to ensuring they buy their second, third, and fourth holsters from RCS, also. If this model sells well (initial results have been strong), we will likely also produce a Perun for the Security 9, and possibly also offer VG2 support for them. If not, the LC9 will likely be the only Ruger offering we produce.

By contrast, the combined sales of Perun, Morrigan, and VG2 for the M&P Shield have been lackluster, despite the enormous number of Shields that have been sold. M&P owners haven't exactly given me a lot of motivation outside of bitching on social media as to why I should expand model support for the full size and compact M&P 2.0. We still plan to support those guns eventually, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assign them a low priority based on historic sales data for our existing lines.

I get it! This isn’t, show friends, it’s show BUSINESS!


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[Larry T]

I guess Raven has abandoned Glock Gen5's AIWB. The Eidolon still says for gens 3 and 4. I understand not making holsters for models that don't sell but I would have thought Glock Gen5s would still be viable.

[TCFD273]

I guess Raven has abandoned Glock Gen5's AIWB. The Eidolon still says for gens 3 and 4. I understand not making holsters for models that don't sell but I would have thought Glock Gen5s would still be viable.

All I own are Gen 5 Glocks now. When I Casey a Glock, it’s in an Eidolon. It works for me.


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[Larry T]

All I own are Gen 5 Glocks now. When I Casey a Glock, it’s in an Eidolon. It works for me.


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Not without the outboard slide stop lever pushing the outer sweat shield out. It may go in, but it isn't right.

[JR1572]

I guess Raven has abandoned Glock Gen5's AIWB. The Eidolon still says for gens 3 and 4. I understand not making holsters for models that don't sell but I would have thought Glock Gen5s would still be viable.

I’m hoping RCS will provide us a light bearing (TLR1) IWB G5 solution in the not so distant future.

It would be great if the Perun could be adapted for IWB use.

[TCFD273]

Not without the outboard slide stop lever pushing the outer sweat shield out. It may go in, but it isn't right.

Never had an issue with it, it goes in, clicks with retention. I’m good with it


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[Larry T]

Never had an issue with it, it goes in, clicks with retention. I’m good with it


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I'm not arguing the point, and to Raven's credit, they readily state the Eidolon isn't Gen5 compatible. You won't find any holster that claims Gen5 compatibility that has any part of the holster body covering AND MAKING CONTACT WITH the right-side slide stop lever. If the SSL is covered, it's covered in a hollow with no contact. To each their own.

[TCFD273]

I'm not arguing the point, and to Raven's credit, they readily state the Eidolon isn't Gen5 compatible. You won't find any holster that claims Gen5 compatibility that has any part of the holster body covering AND MAKING CONTACT WITH the right-side slide stop lever. If the SSL is covered, it's covered in a hollow with no contact. To each their own.

But what what’s the concern? It retains the pistol, doesn’t cause a malfunction. I don’t get it. It would make sense if we were talking about a $350 Del Fatti custom, but’s it’s an injection molded plastic holster.


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[RCSMichael]

I guess Raven has abandoned Glock Gen5's AIWB. The Eidolon still says for gens 3 and 4. I understand not making holsters for models that don't sell but I would have thought Glock Gen5s would still be viable.

Why would you make a statement that we have "...abandoned the Glock Gen5 AIWB?" We clearly are developing numerous products concurrently, as is evident by the fact that every single Glock holster we have released in the past year has specifically been designed to be compatible first and foremost with the Gen5 Glocks. Just because we haven't released an AIWB offering that is Gen5 compatible doesn't mean we aren't going to; it just means that we haven't finished it yet.

I've spoken pretty openly on social media and forums (including this one, I believe) that we have been working on a complete reboot of the Eidolon. The upgrades and design will be so much improved, in fact, that it will likely not even be called the Eidolon. It will be available in slick and light-compatible versions, and ultimately will be available for all the same models of gun and light that the Perun and Perun LC family are offered for. But that's a process that will take significant time, and we intend to make just as big of a splash with it as we did originally with the Eidolon.

Please bear in mind that there are a finite number of projects we can complete in a calendar year, and we have to attack them in an order that makes financial sense for us.

[Larry T]

Why would you make a statement that we have "...abandoned the Glock Gen5 AIWB?" We clearly are developing numerous products concurrently, as is evident by the fact that every single Glock holster we have released in the past year has specifically been designed to be compatible first and foremost with the Gen5 Glocks. Just because we haven't released an AIWB offering that is Gen5 compatible doesn't mean we aren't going to; it just means that we haven't finished it yet.

I've spoken pretty openly on social media and forums (including this one, I believe) that we have been working on a complete reboot of the Eidolon. The upgrades and design will be so much improved, in fact, that it will likely not even be called the Eidolon. It will be available in slick and light-compatible versions, and ultimately will be available for all the same models of gun and light that the Perun and Perun LC family are offered for. But that's a process that will take significant time, and we intend to make just as big of a splash with it as we did originally with the Eidolon.

Please bear in mind that there are a finite number of projects we can complete in a calendar year, and we have to attack them in an order that makes financial sense for us.

Thanks for again setting the record straight. I made that statement because the Gen5 hit the market in August 2017 - 16 months ago. I modified my Eidolon and I'm sure the dremel I bought will come in handy again at some point. I would expect any business owner to chase the projects that are most profitable. I would have thought gen5 Glocks would be somewhere on the profitable list but I'm not in the industry so it's a guess on my part. I'm sure when the new product shows up it will be nice.

[RCSMichael]

Thanks for again setting the record straight. I made that statement because the Gen5 hit the market in August 2017 - 16 months ago. I modified my Eidolon and I'm sure the dremel I bought will come in handy again at some point. I would expect any business owner to chase the projects that are most profitable. I would have thought gen5 Glocks would be somewhere on the profitable list but I'm not in the industry so it's a guess on my part. I'm sure when the new product shows up it will be nice.

Over the last 16 months, we have released FIVE holsters specifically designed to accommodate Gen5 Glocks, and just released the Balor optic mount that has been upgraded to be Gen5 compatible as well. The issue isn't one of "is the Gen5 popular enough," it's a case of "OWB strong-side is a larger market than AIWB, so it's getting first priority."

[Doc_Glock]

I went to buy a Perun and a set of QMS straps. Then I notice the QMS only allows for straight drop, no cant. That won't fly for just behind the hip carry.

Then I hoped to find 1.75" fixed plastic hardware for the Perun. Nope, and not compatible with the Phantom 1.75" straps I have.

So, I will continue to wait.

[RCSMichael]

I went to buy a Perun and a set of QMS straps. Then I notice the QMS only allows for straight drop, no cant. That won't fly for just behind the hip carry.

Then I hoped to find 1.75" fixed plastic hardware for the Perun. Nope, and not compatible with the Phantom 1.75" straps I have.

So, I will continue to wait.

10-degree QMS adaptors should be available around SHOT Show, barring any unforeseen issues. The zero-degree ones were a requirement for a federal agency contract, so they got fast-tracked.

1.75" belt loops are also planned for sometime late in Q1 2019.

As I said a few days ago on SSD, our design and mold-making resources are finite, and we spend a significant amount of time analyzing the market to determine how best to allocate those resources. There is an opportunity cost to every decision, and invariably, every decision we make is going to make some customers happy while disappointing others.

Just because we haven't made what certain people want doesn't mean we aren't going to. Your patience is appreciated, and the wait will be worth it.

[Doc_Glock]

10-degree QMS adaptors should be available around SHOT Show, barring any unforeseen issues. The zero-degree ones were a requirement for a federal agency contract, so they got fast-tracked.

1.75" belt loops are also planned for sometime late in Q1 2019.

As I said a few days ago on SSD, our design and mold-making resources are finite, and we spend a significant amount of time analyzing the market to determine how best to allocate those resources. There is an opportunity cost to every decision, and invariably, every decision we make is going to make some customers happy while disappointing others.

Just because we haven't made what certain people want doesn't mean we aren't going to. Your patience is appreciated, and the wait will be worth it.


I get it and appreciate the reply. FWIW, I would fall in the true fan territory with at least two Eidolons, four Phantoms, and four Vanguard 2 holsters about the place.

[JR1572]

Looks like RCS will be making holsters for the new glocks.

https://rcsgear.com/glock-48-bundle-pack-owb-perun-iwb-morrigan-and-iwb-vanguard/

[RCSMichael]

Looks like RCS will be making holsters for the new glocks.

https://rcsgear.com/glock-48-bundle-pack-owb-perun-iwb-morrigan-and-iwb-vanguard/

Yeah, we're pretty excited about this. Glock pulled us into the mix pretty early on, and we've been working like mad to ensure we'd have product support for the 43X and 48 in time for them to hit the shelves.

The G48 is the first time in YEARS I have been excited about a new pistol hitting the market. This thing carries and shoots like a dream.

The pre-order for the holsters ends on 11 January, and they will ship no later than 1 February.

[JR1572]

Yeah, we're pretty excited about this. Glock pulled us into the mix pretty early on, and we've been working like mad to ensure we'd have product support for the 43X and 48 in time for them to hit the shelves.

The G48 is the first time in YEARS I have been excited about a new pistol hitting the market. This thing carries and shoots like a dream.

The pre-order for the holsters ends on 11 January, and they will ship no later than 1 February.

RCSMichael,

Is the 3 pack holster combo all 48 holsters or is the morrigan for the 43/43x only?

Thanks

[Doc_Glock]

Yeah, we're pretty excited about this. Glock pulled us into the mix pretty early on, and we've been working like mad to ensure we'd have product support for the 43X and 48 in time for them to hit the shelves.

The G48 is the first time in YEARS I have been excited about a new pistol hitting the market. This thing carries and shoots like a dream.

Will the G43 Perun fit the G43X?

[RCSMichael]

RCSMichael,

Is the 3 pack holster combo all 48 holsters or is the morrigan for the 43/43x only?

Thanks

The 3 pack is all for the Glock 48. The Glock 43X fits in all of our existing standard Glock 43 holsters.

[RCSMichael]

Will the G43 Perun fit the G43X?

Yes, it does. We didn't need to design a new holster for the G43X, just the G48.

[JR1572]

The 3 pack is all for the Glock 48. The Glock 43X fits in all of our existing standard Glock 43 holsters.

Awesome. I placed my order for the three pack last night.

Thanks.

[Doc_Glock]

Yes, it does. We didn't need to design a new holster for the G43X, just the G48.

Thank you. I just saw your instagram post that all the 43 stuff fits the 43X and that the Vanguard 2 fits all three!

[JR1572]

I got notified via email that my 43x/48 holsters have shipped and they should be in delivered on the 24th. I’m excited about that.

[PD Sgt.]

Just curious, are the G19/TLR7/8 Peruns no longer being made? Was looking with the TLR8-G coming out but don’t see them on the site or in stock anywhere.

[cornstalker]

The RCS Perun for G48 showed up today. It's cut a little different than the Perun for G19. Different enough that I will probably have to buzz some of it off when I get the G48 milled for an optic, whereas the one for the 19x accomodates an RMR without a problem. Just FYI.

This is the G19x in a Perun.

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G48 in a Perun.

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[cornstalker]

Oops. I think I should have put this post in the existing Perun thread.

Tom Jones

[RJ]

RCSMichael - Any thoughts on when you might be coming out with an RCS Perun for the Sig P365 or Sig P365XL?

Thank you.

[Leroy Suggs]

RCSMichael - Any thoughts on when you might be coming out with an RCS Perun for the Sig P365 or Sig P365XL?

Thank you.


I spoke with Raven on the phone about three weeks ago and the lady told me maybe six months before the P365 would be available.

[RCSMichael]

RCSMichael - Any thoughts on when you might be coming out with an RCS Perun for the Sig P365 or Sig P365XL?

Thank you.

We will probably only do the Perun in the P365XL configuration, since the standard P365 is so small. We have been getting excellent file support from Sig, which is why you'll be seeing a number of new Sig holsters being released by RCS in the next 7-10 days. The P365XL is in the pipeline, but a little further out.

[RJ]

We will probably only do the Perun in the P365XL configuration, since the standard P365 is so small. We have been getting excellent file support from Sig, which is why you'll be seeing a number of new Sig holsters being released by RCS in the next 7-10 days. The P365XL is in the pipeline, but a little further out.

Thank you very much.

I definitely see a P365XL on the horizon for me. My Perun is absolutely my favorite EDC for my G19, and I would really like to get one for the small Sig as soon as they are available.

Rich

[JTQ]

Back at post #85 there was this...


3) IWB capability - YES, there will be an IWB accessory bundle available in the future, but probably not until sometime late in Q1 2018. When it does come online, we will still sell the holster as Perun OWB and Perun IWB SKU's, and then allow the IWB and OWB hardware bundles to be purchased separately.

I know I missed some posts in-between, but have the IWB mounts become available? I don't see anything at the website.

[Rex G]

I just checked, to see if the Perun was available, yet, for 1911 pistols. An ambi-capable holster, with a high sweat shield, on both sides, to keep the thumb safety lever from inadvertent manipulation, seemed to be a good idea.

Result: Well, negative.

[runcible]

I don't speak for Raven in the least, but OOF there's a tremendous amount of variance in the various 1911s made between 1907 and the presence. Dimensions and geometry are just all over the place, and I can't think of a single agency-level customer running a singular configuration sizable enough to justify modeling one up, much less cutting molds for them.

Put the frame and slide variation aside and focus on thumb-safeties along, since you mentioned them - think about a Perun sweat shield as it would have to be designed to accomodate the larger and ambi safeties used on the last of the duty 1911s in CONUS LE, and how that may or may not conflict with concealment holster design.

(Really, as with many a weapon that's called out for, it's just not consumed nor holstered in sufficient quantities to justify it; but the 1911 rises above most other pistols as far as the absolute range of considerations involved with making a good holster for even just one.)

[Gun Mutt]

Couldn't find a better place to post this:

I've got a Phantom for my 1911 that I picked up used with 1.5 standard belt loops. I want to run it on my 1.75 belts and I'm curious about the standard belt loops vs the OWB Pancake Wings Raven offers. Anyone used both? Are the wings more comfortable?

[HeavyDuty]

I hate seeing this thread go dead - there’s a lot of valuable information here.

I’ve posted before about my need to go OWB due to surgical scar pain with IWB. I’ve been using Winthrop leather pancakes, but I miss the easy on and off I had with my IWB holsters.

I picked up a Perun for my 19.5 a few years ago, but it never got much use because shortly after buying it I mounted a TLR7 on the 19. For some reason I never broke it back out for my 45.

Yesterday morning there was a new thread about the Perun plus QMS loops. This made me dig out my Perun, mount the straight drop loops and use it throughout the day. I was impressed enough that I ordered one for a new gun that is coming that needs a holster, and also for two of my usual carry Glocks (plus an extra QMS for this 19 holster.) I’ve spent more on a single holster than I did for all of these.

Let’s see how this goes. I’m hoping the QMS loops hold the holster tight enough to my waist, I use either a Wilderness or Kore belt and both are thick and stiff.

[Wendell]

I don't speak for Raven in the least, but OOF there's a tremendous amount of variance in the various 1911s made between 1907 and the presence. Dimensions and geometry are just all over the place, and I can't think of a single agency-level customer running a singular configuration sizable enough to justify modeling one up, much less cutting molds for them. Put the frame and slide variation aside and focus on thumb-safeties along, since you mentioned them - think about a Perun sweat shield as it would have to be designed to accomodate the larger and ambi safeties used on the last of the duty 1911s in CONUS LE, and how that may or may not conflict with concealment holster design. (Really, as with many a weapon that's called out for, it's just not consumed nor holstered in sufficient quantities to justify it; but the 1911 rises above most other pistols as far as the absolute range of considerations involved with making a good holster for even just one.)

Like you say, it's just not practical. For example, while I am a fan of Blade-Tech's 'Classic OWB', I'm not a fan of my Blade-Tech 'Total Eclipse' for a 5" 1911. Sure, it's built for a 1911 pistol, ambi-capable, and with a sweat shield, on both sides, to keep the thumb safety lever from inadvertent manipulation, and it does accept just about any 1911, but it's a gun bucket - the retention is just not there.

Never mind the roller-coaster test, I wouldn't trust this thing with a summersault test, and you might even be better off with a 'locked' race holster. I am, of course, assuming that holster retention matters to you; it does matter to me, so I don't use my 'Total Eclipse'. If ever there was a niche for a 'custom' (Kydex/Boltaron) holster design, an ambi-capable holster, with a high sweat shield, on both sides, to keep the thumb safety lever from inadvertent manipulation, and built for a 1911 pistol, might be that niche.

[HeavyDuty]

The first new Perun with QMS arrived. I mounted up the QMS kit and applied low torque threadlock, I’m impressed by the balance of attachment ease and security.

One question for other Perun QMS users. There is a fair amount of up and down slop in the QMS loop with a 1.5” Wilderness belt - it almost seems like they are adjusted for a 1.75” belt. There are three holes in the QMS loop, and the center is the one being used now. The instructions say nothing about adjusting this. Has anyone run across this, and did you try to adjust it out by moving the strap to a different mounting hole?

[Maca]

The first new Perun with QMS arrived. I mounted up the QMS kit and applied low torque threadlock, I’m impressed by the balance of attachment ease and security.

One question for other Perun QMS users. There is a fair amount of up and down slop in the QMS loop with a 1.5” Wilderness belt - it almost seems like they are adjusted for a 1.75” belt. There are three holes in the QMS loop, and the center is the one being used now. The instructions say nothing about adjusting this. Has anyone run across this, and did you try to adjust it out by moving the strap to a different mounting hole?

once mounted (the belt is on and property tensioned), is the holster still moving vertically?

[Doc_Glock]

The first new Perun with QMS arrived. I mounted up the QMS kit and applied low torque threadlock, I’m impressed by the balance of attachment ease and security.

One question for other Perun QMS users. There is a fair amount of up and down slop in the QMS loop with a 1.5” Wilderness belt - it almost seems like they are adjusted for a 1.75” belt. There are three holes in the QMS loop, and the center is the one being used now. The instructions say nothing about adjusting this. Has anyone run across this, and did you try to adjust it out by moving the strap to a different mounting hole?

They seem set for 1.75”. I tightened it up one hole and it works fine on a 1.5”
now.

[orionz06]

If ever there was a niche for a 'custom' (Kydex/Boltaron) holster design, an ambi-capable holster, with a high sweat shield, on both sides, to keep the thumb safety lever from inadvertent manipulation, and built for a 1911 pistol, might be that niche.

When did all kydex/boltaron become "custom"? Not trying to sound argumentative, but I've had a slew of emails as of late asking for really dumb shit and then when denied their dumb shit, the sender accused me of false advertising, lying, and being lazy for a "custom" maker. I've also had a few that either didn't respond back or were just fine. Those that did have not responded to the "where did we say we were a custom maker?" question.

Any good maker, leather included, should be striving for consistency and repeatability, kinda the antithesis of custom.

[Doc_Glock]

I am going to add to this thread. I would encourage mods to close the QMS thread recently opened and add this posts to this thread as well if possible.

Initially the QMS straps were fouling my draw by catching on the cover garment. I swapped them front to back as they are essentially identical. This has the effect of turning the strap “hook” to point up rather than down. This also causes the holster to ride about 1/2inch lower. I find the former effect preferable and I can live with the lower ride since I only use this set up for running and it doesn’t really matter where the belt rides on my torso. The holster and gun still sit in the same sort of comfy spot they always do. In fact I might prefer the lower ride anyway because getting tri a high ride behind the hip gun with my shoulder stiffness isn’t always the easiest. The Zero degree cant versus 15degree seems like a non issue to me. Don’t notice the difference at all.

Photos:

Perun vs Phantom standard set up.

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Perun vs Phantom with adapters flipped for Perun. Note change in ride height.

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Perun how I wear it:

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With really floppy shirt over it:

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And finally a shot to show how the Perun/QMS combination protrudes. I tried to show it worst case.

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[MGW]

Doc_Glock is there no way to get a 15* rake on the Perun with the quick mount straps?

[Doc_Glock]

@Doc_Glock (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=12978) is there no way to get a 15* rake on the Perun with the quick mount straps?

Well, they don’t make them in 15*. I haven’t tried hrs to modify them, but just looking I don’t really see that it would
be easy.

[HeavyDuty]

once mounted (the belt is on and property tensioned), is the holster still moving vertically?

Yes.


They seem set for 1.75”. I tightened it up one hole and it works fine on a 1.5”
now.

I’ll do that - thanks!

[HeavyDuty]

I changed holes on the QMS straps like Doc_Glock did, and the holster rides much better on my 1.5” Wilderness. I haven’t tried it on my new Kore yet.

[Wendell]

When did all kydex/boltaron become "custom"? Not trying to sound argumentative, but I've had a slew of emails as of late asking for really dumb shit and then when denied their dumb shit, the sender accused me of false advertising, lying, and being lazy for a "custom" maker. I've also had a few that either didn't respond back or were just fine. Those that did have not responded to the "where did we say we were a custom maker?" question.

Any good maker, leather included, should be striving for consistency and repeatability, kinda the antithesis of custom.

And longer shorts might help to keep the sand out.

(Just sayin'...)

[orionz06]

And longer shorts might help to keep the sand out.

(Just sayin'...)

Just a question, not any of the things that bug me. Figured I'd ask just as you might be one to be able to better explain it.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

RCSMichael

Did the VP9 Perun ever make it to the top of the heap for the next model to be released? The website shows nothing for VP9 and I've been patiently waiting, so I'm hoping it wasn't released and quietly discontinued before I realized it was a thing... just picked a new VP9 OR model recently. These would be perfect with a Perun, I just grabbed the Morrigan VP9 which seems to also no longer be on your RCS website though I found one at G&R Tactical.

[CleverNickname]

Also, did anything ever come of the rumored Perun IWB conversion?

[Gun Mutt]

On the subject of IWB: why isn't the Phantom/pancake style of holster more widely used for IWB? Are there any reputable makers offering one? I assume there's a functional reason, but I don't have any experience with one to understand why it doesn't work well enough to be more popular.

I've got a Phantom for my 1911 that's just terrific for OWB and that's why I snapped it up when a P-F'er offered it. When I was first setting it up, I holstered my 1911 with no loops attached and slid it into my preferred IWB position. It felt very comfortable, though when I actually attached some PTD loops, it set much higher than I would like. With no loops, it wasn't stable enough for me to move around and discover much about actually running it IWB.

[orionz06]

While the manufacturing method keeps the Perun narrow, it's still wider than most IWB's, and that's not usually helpful. The wings, OWB, being pulled in work well. When worn IWB, the belt pushing the wings in is a little different and it distributes the force inward, sometimes increased by the wings serving as a lever, no matter what. A normal folded IWB doesn't have the levers, except for what you add for concealment purposes (wings).

[JTQ]

On the subject of IWB: why isn't the Phantom/pancake style of holster more widely used for IWB? Are there any reputable makers offering one? I assume there's a functional reason, but I don't have any experience with one to understand why it doesn't work well enough to be more popular.

I have a Phantom for a Government Model and have used the outboard clips and the on the body soft loops. The outboard clips really take up a lot of belt real estate, even more than the already wide pancake holster itself.

On another forum, a member commented wearing a Phantom IWB is like sticking a dinner plate inside your pants. I thought that was pretty accurate.

The Phantom is a slim profile holster, but it is wide. Unlike a leather holster of the same width that will bend inside your pants, the Phantom won't. If you can find a large enough flat spot on your body, it may work, but "taco" style holsters usually will take up less space and give more placement options.

I'll always remember the picture of a slim guy with a Phantom IWB in this thread from M4Carbine (I'm not a member, and never have been) at post #2. Admittedly, he could have moved the holster off his 3:00 position for better function, but it demonstrates the width and lack of flexibility of the Phantom. It's still a nice holster, though.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?67458-Raven-Concealment

[JTQ]

On the subject of IWB: why isn't the Phantom/pancake style of holster more widely used for IWB? Are there any reputable makers offering one?
I don't have any experience with them, but there are still some making them

BlackPoint Tactical https://blackpointtactical.com/shop/standard-owb-holster/

[Gun Mutt]

JTQ, thanks for sharing the link to that pic, it illustrates perfectly what orionz06 was kind enough to spell out.

Now I understand why my 1911 Phantom seemed comfy when I tried it with no attachments on it.

[Cool Breeze]

I think the Perun is a pretty good holster for canted OWB 3:30 to 4:30 carry. However, for straight drop 2:30 carry, the butt of the gun just sticks out like a sore thumb. I've mounted the front loop backwards which kind of gives it an avenger-style function but the back loop is not working. I need a loop that is in line with the rest of the holster and not curved in or offset.

Does anyone know if something like this would screw into the holster?...and if not this one, something like it out there that would fit?

https://holsterbuilder.com/shop/belt-attachments/owb-attachments/enclosed-pancake-wings/

[orionz06]

What is the spacing on the Perun?