Current Groupthink: Magpul Glock Magazines

[Chance]

I was thumbing through this thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24187-Magpul-Glock-PMag-21/page3) and this thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14630-Magpul-is-making-Glock-mags-now/page19) to see what the opinions on Magpul's Glock mags are. Those threads are a little dated, so I wanted to start a new one.

Are these magazines worth stockpiling? I was using a Magpul 21-round magazine in my Glock 34 that experienced a funky failure-to-feed not too long ago. I was using 124-grain FMJ, of which many thousands of rounds had been fired without issue. That left me a little shaken with regards to the mag's reliability.

With the present political situation, I've concluded it's never not the time to hoard magazines. But I want to make sure what I'm buying is going to work.

Thoughts?

[Gray222]

Good to go in my opinion, as I stated in those threads only issue I had was with a Zev extension on one of those mags - it failed to feed and locked the slide to the rear on several different general glocks. I have several 21 round and 17 round magpul mags, zero issues, would carry with them if needed.

[JHC]

In my experience with the G17 equivalent mag, they are functionally equal to OEM minus witness holes.

In my experience the G26 mag and the 21 round mags will run but not lock back at empty consistently.

[john c]

My experience has been the same a VDM. I’ve never used steel or aluminum cased ammo in my magpul Glock mags, though. I’ve heard reports these don’t work as well as brass.

I would only buy the 21 rounders. Regular Glock mags are so cheap, that the price difference doesn’t seem worth it for the regular capacity ones.


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[EVP]

Short answer no

Personally I have never seen the allure of Magpul Glock magazines over factory OEM glock mags even if saving a few bucks per mag.


Magpul magazines continue to produce failures in certain guns. I don’t see why anyone would carry magpul mags when Glock OEMs have been gtg.

[blues]

I only have Magpul Glock magazines in 12 round, 15 round and 17 round capacities and haven't had a failure with any of them thus far. I'm comfortable enough with the 12 round magazines to use with my G26 when it's carried concealed. Otherwise, they are all used for training and qualifications.

[Dismas316]

Never had any issues with them and they've worked great. I've use the 12 rounders for the 26 and 15 rounds for tha 19.

[Gray222]

Short answer no

Personally I have never seen the allure of Magpul Glock magazines over factory OEM glock mags even if saving a few bucks per mag.


Magpul magazines continue to produce failures in certain guns. I don’t see why anyone would carry magpul mags when Glock OEMs have been gtg.

So do you have experience with Magpul magazines? If so what is it?

[TGS]

I have 10 of the 17 round PMAGs that will be put through a course this week. I'll report back on Thursday night or Friday how they did given the round count and exposure to the elements.

[mtnbkr]

I have several that I've been using for about 18 months as range magazines in my Gen3 19. So far, not a single failure. I've burned through a bit more than a case of ammo in that time.

In this area, the Magpul mags are 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the equivalent Glock mag (ratio depends on whether or not the Glock mag is on sale or not).

Chris

[peterb]

I've been using a couple of the 15-round versions in a gen4 G19. No failures so far. I'm happy to use them for training, and will probably get more, but will keep using factory magazines for carry.

[Mitch]

I’ve had no problem with 17 round pmags. I probably wouldn’t carry them just on principle but for range mags? Sure why not.


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[GJM]

We have seen a number of otherwise unexplained stoppages in multiple G34 pistols with the Magpul 21 round magazines. They also feel different when loading cartridges, compared to OEM magazines.

As I said in another post recently, the Glock pistol is literally built around the magazine, as function testing minus a magazine shows. Unlike the .40 Glock magazines, the OEM 9mm magazines have been stable for years if not a decade or more, with no changes to the follower. The years of testing that Glock has done has of course been with OEM magazines. Testing that the FBI did with the M, with crazy high MBF was I understand with OEM magazines. The vast majority of the testing that every Bubba did over decades, proving the Glock design, was almost exclusively with OEM magazines.

With ETS, Magpul or other magazines, you are a test pilot with arguably the most essential component of making a Glock function. If you like being a test pilot, knock yourself out. What I like most about the G5 is I can run it stock, and stock to me means with OEM magazines.

[BN]

I have a few Magpul 17 round mags. No problems. but the lack of witness holes is very annoying. They are OK for range use, but I will always use OEM for serious use.

[Jeep]

Fine range mags for G17/19. I've now had one or two misfeeds with them (versus essentially none for the Glock mags) so for actual usage I'll continue to use the Glock mags. By the way CDNN often has the 17/19 Glock mags on sale for $19--which is a pretty good price.

[spinmove_]

I’ve only used brass cased ammo in mine, but I’ve yet to have a failure or malfunction of any kind from mine. More than adequate enough for training and practice magazines. If you had to use one for serious use, you could do far worse.


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[pangloss]

I have five Magpul and one ETS G19 mags that I use every week as range mags. Total rounds through these are in the low thousands now. I've had no problems with these mags. I also have one G17 Magpul magazine with a lot fewer rounds through it that will not function reliably in a G19. I think the Magpul mags are great range mags, but I'm not using them for carry yet.

I've taken a break from buying mags since the election, but I should really start accumulating more.

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[JSGlock34]

Solution in search of a problem.

[Bigghoss]

I'm still testing. I have two 12's and a couple 15's that haven't caused me trouble other than being hard to load when new. I just ordered some 21's but I haven't tried them yet at all. I bought a bunch of the G19 mags but I planned on using those for practice anyway. If Magpul only made the same capacities as OEM I would just carry factory mags. But the 12's and 21's have me just curious enough to try them.

[critter]

Solution in search of a problem.

Does Glock make an OEM +2 for the 26? I have no idea. I didn't find any a few years ago. I think the extra two rounds is definitely cool solution to a perceived, perhaps manufactured, problem of being 2 rnds short ;-) The added finger grip doesn't matter much for me but I can see it being a good thing for some. It definitely feels better than the pierce +1 or +2 extensions, IMO.

[cjb1911]

I’ve been using 17/21 rd magpuls for about 80% of my range work since they became available. Not a single issue with them in any of my Glocks. Although I go hate the 12 bc it pinches.

[JSGlock34]

Does Glock make an OEM +2 for the 26? I have no idea. I didn't find any a few years ago. I think the extra two rounds is definitely cool solution to a perceived, perhaps manufactured, problem of being 2 rnds short ;-) The added finger grip doesn't matter much for me but I can see it being a good thing for some. It definitely feels better than the pierce +1 or +2 extensions, IMO.

Glock has offered the +2 extension for the G26 since it was introduced.

Glock Factory Original Glock 26 Magazine 9mm Luger Black Polymer 10/rd +2 (https://www.natchezss.com/glock-factory-original-glock-26-magazine-9mm-luger-black-polymer-10-rd-2.html)

http://mymagdepot.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/Glock%20G26%209mm%2012%20Round%20EXTENDED%2045.00% 2035.00.jpg

[JAD]

They also make a +5 extension.

I have put a good number of rounds through their G17 mags. They’re harder to load full than a G mag which means they’re putting more resistance on the slide. I’d never carry one for that reason alone. I wish I’d spent the extra bux for OeM, for the 16th and 17th round and the witness holes.

[BJJ]

I hope the Magpul mags work because I have 5 on the way. From Midway, they cost $10 each instead of $25 each for OEM magazines. I figure I can have 5 magazines to use and abuse in training and in local matches and keep from putting that wear and tear on OEM mags. We’ll see how it works out.

[M2CattleCo]

I have had good luck with brass cased round nose out of the Magpul mags. They didn't do well with steel, aluminum, or HST.

I have 2 21s, 12 15s, and 11 17s. I got 'em all new for less than $8/mag or I wouldn't have any.

Beater mags.

[Bigghoss]

Weird. I've only shot aluminum and maybe some steel through mine. Federal aluminum and maybe Winchester Forged.

[L-2]

I've got Magpul mags for my G26, G19, & G17/34 guns.

G26 Magpul mags are 12 rounders and work fine and I'll use them for carry. I also bought the Glock-brand extensions which are +2 in 9mm, but I put them on my G27 mags which are +1 in .40.

G19. These were OK, until I also got a G19Gen5. For some reason (I can only suspect slightly different geometry with the new Gen5 slide-stop) I'll get an intermitttent premature slide lock-back when there's still one round left in the mag. These mags don't always feed well with steel-cased ammo (which many don't use anyway), but neither do stock Glock mags.

G17. I haven't yet noticed if there are any premature slide lock-back problems with my one Magpul 17 round Glock mag in my G17Gen5 and I haven't used this 17 round Magpul mag in my G19Gen5. These mags also don't feed steel-cased ammo as well as the stock Glock mags but the Glock mags aren't 100% either with steel cased ammo. If you only shoot brass-cased ammo then no worries. Due to my steel-cased ammo use, I did put stock Glock mag springs into a few of my Magpul 17 round mags which slightly helped.

Overall, I see no issues using Magpul Glock mags for carry in my Gen3 and Gen4 Glocks, but they're not approved by me for my G19Gen5. So far, I haven't had any problems with my 17 round Magpul mags in my G17Gen5, but I haven't really dedicated a few hundred rounds through just my Magpul 17 rounders to thoroughly feel confident with them other than in my Gen3 & Gen4 Glocks.

I haven't been trying the 15 and 17 rounders in the smaller Glocks; i.e. I use the 12 rounders in my G26 guns; the 15 rounders in my G19 guns; and the 17 rounders in my G17&34 guns.

[Gray222]

The g26 Magpul extension may is awesome. It works really well.

Glock extensions have known issues with breaking.

[gtae07]

I hope the Magpul mags work because I have 5 on the way. From Midway, they cost $10 each instead of $25 each for OEM magazines. I figure I can have 5 magazines to use and abuse in training and in local matches and keep from putting that wear and tear on OEM mags. We’ll see how it works out.

I bought mine on sale from Midway as well (6x 15-round). I picked up a couple of 17-round ones when I traded my P320 for a G17. So far they work fine for range use. I only use OEM mags for carry.

[Norville]

I ran the 21s in USPSA this season, no issues at all with AE 147s in thousands of rounds through a 34 G4 MOS. They run after being dropped in the sand (much to the annoyance of Open shooters) and come apart quickly if needed for brushing out.

I have less experience with the 17 rounders but no issues there either.

[Beat Trash]

My only experience is with the 12 rd Glock 26 magazines. They are a bitch to load to capacity when brand new. I had to dig out one of the Glock magazine loading tools to get the 12th round in to one of the magazines. On a hunch, I fully loaded both of my 12rd MagPUl magazines and let them sit for about 10 days. They're still a bitch to load to capacity, but now I can get the 12th round in without assistance.

I only have about 300 rounds through my two magazines. All of which is 115gr WWB or Federal American Eagle and about 50 ads or 147 gr Winchester Ranger T series. No issues at all. I should probably vet them a bit more, but I do use these magazines on the rare occasion that I bench the Glock 19 and carry my G26. I also own a Glock OEM 12 rd magazine. I greatly prefer the OEM magazine as far as fully seating a fully loaded magazine into the gun. It just, "clicks in" without effort. But I have tried to limp wrist the gun to induce a malfunction when using the MagPul magazines and they have been reliable to date.

I do not shoot steel case ammunition so I an not comment. Our duty round is the Ranger T series, so I can't comment on the HST or how it feeds.

The reason I prefer the MagPul 12 mag over the OEM mag is the feel of the mag when loaded. The OEM base plate on the 2 rd extension sits rearward a bit. THE MagPul baseplate feels more natural to my pinky and overall just feels more natural to my hand.

[Francis]

My experience with the MagPul mags was disappointing. I wanted to use the 12 rd ones for carry in my 26. During my 2000 rd challenge of the 26 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge&p=658010&viewfull=1#post658010) though, the ones I have proved to be unreliable. I had several stoppages when they were loaded to capacity and 1 in the chamber. The chambered round would fire then the top round of the mag would FTF. I'll use them for range time but OEM is all I'll carry.

Other issues experienced include, like others have reported, both the 12 and 17 rd are difficult to load to capacity. Also, inserting a full 12 rd mag into a holstered pistol proved difficult. The OEMs seat much easier. My guess is all these difficulties are due to the strong spring in the mag.

It's too bad. I prefer the profile of the MagPul 12 rd and really wanted to use it.

[Clay]

I purchased 10 of the 15-round and 10 of the 17-round Pmags when they first came out. My wife and I have been using them as training mags, and used them in two rainy, muddy classes this year. I've also fired 4k in steel cased Tula and Wolf through them in the last two years or so as well. My wife has one Glock 26 that has had two or three malfunctions with steel cased ammo and a couple of the the 17-round mags - other than that they have been great. Easy to disassemble and clean, and cheap to replace if needed.

I have since purchased another 26 of the Glock Pmags in the various sizes from MidwayUSA when they have been on sale over the last year. I now run the 21-round ones as my reloads, and have the 15 and 17-round ones in my various bags, as well as in both vehicles. All 46 have been used at the range and in training and have been as reliable as factory mags when running brass cased ammo. My experience with steel cased ammo has been great other than mentioned above.

The first 20 that I bought have well over 6k of all kinds of ammo through them with no telling how many reloads and drops onto concrete and dirt, and they still function fine. I loan them out at the range a lot and they have been used in dozens of Glocks.

I just bought more of the 15 and 17 rounders since they are currently $9.99 at Midway. I left them in the package and put them in the safe for use later. I highly recommend them based on my experience.

[Erick Gelhaus]

For a year now (this weekend because of Dave Spaulding's yearly NorCal visit), I've been using the 21rd model as my spare magazine(s) on & off duty. After getting six of them, I used only those in a weekend long class to see if they did or did not function. The range had a sand, gravel surface and the vast majority of my reloads (in spite of Dave often asking me to do some fashion of a tac reload) ended up on the sand.

During that class and since then, no stoppages related to these magazines. They get shot to empty at least monthly.

[Jason M]

I purchased several of the 15 and 17 round mags some time ago. Like OEM mags, I would not opt carry them until they have proven themselves reliable in that they do what they are supposed to do. So...I have only used the Magpul GL mags in the training realm. After several thousand quality (various ATK made brass cased HP and FMJ) rounds, they have exhibited no problems. With that being said they really do nothing better than the OEM mags of the same size. The Magpul price point makes them attractive as beater training mags. So, for meaningful purposes, I will stick to vetted OEM mags for no other reason than it seems prudent to use the mags with which the pistol was designed to work.

More to follow....

[Jason M]

Ok, I missed the edit window. As some of the other PF folks have mentioned, the Magpul mags are tight when new and hard to get to capacity. I do not routinely top of the mag loaded into the gun but I have not had trouble seating a fully loaded Magpul mag on a forward slide. This has been my experience with Gen 2 19/17, Gen 3 19/17, Gen 4 19/17 and Gen 5 19. I just grabbed a Gen 5 17 but have not yet fired it.

To continue the thought process.... If there is a reason to use the Magpul mags over OEM for purposes other than training and the mags are vetted than I'm fine with it. For my purposes, that reason arrives with the G26. The 12 round magazine for the G26 is my choice for carry as well as training. The OEM G26 mags with the +2 extensions function just fine. However, in my hands, those extensions feel slippery and hamper a solid grip (subjective). Grip tape and stippling grab at and abrade me and my clothing. The 12 round Magpul mag has some contour to the extension and feels far more secure in my hand (subjective). Additionally, the base plate seems (subjective) to be more securely anchored to the mag tube than is the OEM +2 extension. The 12 round Magpul mags that I have (n=2) do all the things a magazine is supposed to do. They have done so without fail through several thousand rounds of the same ammo as their larger cousins. I carry the 12 round Magpul mag in my G26. OEM 15 round mags are carried as reloads.

Overall my experience with the Magpul Glock magazines has been very positive. I have no inclination to change my current uses for them but, if OEM mags became unavailable, I would not lose any sleep about using Magpul as the primary magazines in any of my Glocks.

[Totem Polar]

I may as well add my .02.

G26 12 round is totally GTG. I like these mags. They are indeed a real bitch to load to capacity. I load spares to 11, and the primary—with some effort—to 12, then chamber from there without topping off. I see them as 11+1, with good grip enhancement, per above.

G17: reliable in gen 3 G17, with occasional failure to lock back on empty.
G17 in G26; occasional FTF. Random across sample of 5, no rhyme or reason. Fine for range; won’t rely on them for defensive use.

FWIW.

[jondoe297]

Been using the G17 mags since shortly after they came out. I've never had an issue with them (I have 6 of them), and I'd venture to guess that I have at least a few thousand rounds through the gun while using them. A few weeks ago, thanks to a cold rainy day, I was finally able to get them muddied up. Despite the clay-based mud on/in the magazines, my G17 continued to function normally. I'm satisfied that they work "as advertised".

[EVP]

So do you have experience with Magpul magazines? If so what is it?



Yes

My experience that these Magpul magazines sometimes cause issue with certain guns. Personal observed experience with a buddy I go shooting with in his gen 4 g19. His gun has had not experience any issues except when he started using Magpul mags.

I get that they are cheap and can be used for range use or competition.
Glock OEM mags are plenty cheap as is.

Personally I am using OEM mags for anything that is going to be used for defensive purpose.


Edited to add: Looking through these threads and the 2k challenge I see others have had similar experiences.

[Gray222]

Yes

My experience that these Magpul magazines sometimes cause issue with certain guns. Personal observed experience with a buddy I go shooting with in his gen 4 g19. His gun has had not experience any issues except when he started using Magpul mags.

I get that they are cheap and can be used for range use or competition.
Glock OEM mags are plenty cheap as is.

Personally I am using OEM mags for anything that is going to be used for defensive purpose..

So you observed your buddy have an issue with his gun and his mag, but you personally have not experienced anything, is that what you are saying?

Did you figure out what issues he was having? Ammo type? What type of malfunction?

[Mr_White]

Chance,

I have been using the PMAG21s for a while now - basically since they came out, or close to it - with my Gen3 G34s.

I don't think there are even close to enough of them out there to 'trust them in aggregate', and I wanted to use them, but felt I had to test them for myself, in the gun I would carry, with the ammo I planned to shoot. They were good with practice and carry ammo (124gr + P Gold Dot), no malfunctions, and then I used them for everything (practice, training, competition, carry, etc.)

Like others, I have noted that they feel different than OEM when filling them, with more pressure required to get the last couple rounds in, and it also feels like there is less space inside than OEM. Nevertheless, all mine ran fine as far as I can tell. I did have one big nasty doublefeed/failure to extract malfunction during a major match this year. I have no idea why that happened - Gen3 G34, American Eagle 124gr, PMAG21 - and I have not assigned blame to any of the involved components. I remain comfortable carrying them, and also continue to have the MOST faith in the reliability of 17-round OEM magazines.

With my recent change to a stock-for-the-time-being Gen5 G17, I was initially using the PMAG21s, which still functioned fine, but I have started using the 17-round OEM magazines again. I want to see if I can spruce up my reload with an easier-handling shorter magazine, so I am going with it for now, and I like that I can feel the greatest possible confidence in the reliability of the overall system of gun/magazines/ammo. No guarantee I'm not going to go back to either the PMAG21s, the Gen3 G34, or both though!

[ssb]

Before moving away from Glocks, I used the 17-round mags in two Gen 4 G17s as practice mags IOT save wear and tear on my break-glass-in-case-of-Hillary stash. I had no magazine related issues. I'd estimate 7,000 rounds from August 2015 through October 2017 across a batch of ten mags, with the six in my range bag seeing the most use. Of note is that no issues were experienced during IDPA matches on gravel/dirt. I did a few cycles of 124gr+P Gold Dots through some of the mags with no issue. I also did a 2K round challenge on one of my guns using those mags exclusively, and that test included a few hundred rounds of steel and aluminum ammo. I think they're a solid choice for practice mags, particularly at their price point. They served their purpose, which was to allow me to keep about 30 OEM mags in reserve in case things went south legislatively while still having a large stash of full-capacity mags that I wouldn't cry about if damaged.

I do not, however, see any reason to deviate from the proven 9mm OEM Glock magazine for carry use in Glock 19/17/34 pistols. Bluntly, that design's stayed roughly the same for well over a decade, all of the factory and LE tests of the pistol have used the OEM magazine (i.e. more quantifiable data than me dicking around at the range), and as GJM notes, the mythical Glock reliability was built on that magazine. I think the 12-round G26 Magpul mag is an interesting concept and, if I had a G26, I'd strongly consider vetting a few with a few hundred rounds of Gold Dots and carrying with those mags due to the quantifiable benefit they provide (same ammo at a lower profile than OEM, with what is arguably a better grip surface). Likewise, assuming proper vetting, the 21-round mags would interest me since Glock seems averse to making a 140mm single-body mag and I've had dramatic failures with properly-configured OEM +2 mags in the past.

[Chance]

I did have one big nasty doublefeed/failure to extract malfunction during a major match this year. I have no idea why that happened - Gen3 G34, American Eagle 124gr, PMAG21 - and I have not assigned blame to any of the involved components.

Exact same round, same mag, same stoppage, but a Gen 4 gun. I thought I hadn't executed my clearance drills correctly, but it really did seem like it was an odd, hybrid-stoppage.


I want to see if I can spruce up my reload with an easier-handling shorter magazine, so I am going with it for now, and I like that I can feel the greatest possible confidence in the reliability of the overall system of gun/magazines/ammo.

The only reason I was trying the PMAG 21 was because it was longer, and easier to grab out of the mag pouch. Is there a way of making the magazines easier to snag out of the mag pouch without changing the internal components?

Maybe I should start a new thread: "PF-Approved Aftermarket Accessories to Glock OEM Magazines"....

[WobblyPossum]

I’ve posted my experiences with these mags before. I have 5 G17, 3 G19, and 2 G26 Magpul mags. I have a combined several thousand rounds through them. I like them as cheap range magazines to save wear and tear on OEM magazines. I’ve been able to get Magpul mags for $10-$12. The cheapest I’ve been able to score OEM mags is $15. Thats a substantial savings to me. I don’t trust them for carry. I’ve had more malfunctions with Magpul magazines than I’ve ever had with OEM mags. The follower on the G17 mags tends to bind when the mags get dirty leading to feeding issues. I’ve had issues with these mags using crappy ammo like Blazer Aluminum and great ammo like Federal HST (in the case of one the G26 mag). I’m okay with the occasional stoppage at the range or at a class. I like getting surprise malfunction clearance practice. I won’t risk it for carry though. I’ll stick to OEM mags for when reliability counts.


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[Nephrology]

I have had several issues with the 15rd G19 magazines by Magpul. Never tried any other capacity magazines but these have given me issues in pistols that have not had failures with OEM mags.

[Glockman9mm]

In my opinion, they are not worth it when you can regularly get factory mags for under $20 a piece.

[mtnbkr]

In my opinion, they are not worth it when you can regularly get factory mags for under $20 a piece.

They've been impulse purchase at local stores or gun shows where they are significantly cheaper than the factory mags.

Chris

[Glockman9mm]

They've been impulse purchase at local stores or gun shows where they are significantly cheaper than the factory mags.

Chris

I know. I purchased several magpul and Ets mags before 2016 election when Glocks were $25. I like the Ets better than magpul but have had failure to feeds with both. I think it's been 5 years since I had a feed failure with a glock mag- think it was my wife limp wristing actually. Got the Ets mags for $12 and the magpul for $14. They are even cheaper now.

[EJO]

Well I went ahead and bit the bullet, purchased six 17 round mags and six 15 round mags from Midway. $10 each with free shipping is tough to pass up. I’ll use them for strictly range and update once I’ve gone through several thousand rounds.

[ST911]

Range/practice mags are pmag 17/15 almost exclusively, without issue. I continue to use OEM mags for life support tasks.

[Greg]

I only have 2 GL Pmags, A 15 and a 17 round. I like the idea of beating on these as practice mags. Not gonna carry them.

FYI - CDNN Sports has OEM Glock mags for 19 bucks right now.

[Sam]

And here I am, a lowly Californian anticipating not being able to have any standard capacity rounders in the future, just hoping for a reliable 10 round magazine. Sigh.

[Bigghoss]

And here I am, a lowly Californian anticipating not being able to have any standard capacity rounders in the future, just hoping for a reliable 10 round magazine. Sigh.

I would not be surprised if Magpul eventually comes out with reduced capacity mags for certain states/countries. I'm a little bit surprised that haven't yet. But it also sounds like maybe they still need to work the kinks out of their standard mags.

[SiriusBlunder]

I purchased 4 15 rounders in Nov. 2016 and 4 17 rounders in Mar. 2017 for training/range mags. I have ~2000 rounds through the 15 rounders and ~500 rounds through the 17 rounders with no issues.

I do not plan on using them as carry mags at this time.

[vcdgrips]

I have been using as set of three for range work since the first came out in my G34. No issues in 1500 rounds. I will continue to use them at the range and would take them to a high round count class in a heartbeat. Before their introduction to the market, I was a guy who had 6 dedicated training mags that NEVER got used for carry and vice versa.

Bottom Line- GTG for range work/ probably GTG after being vetted in your pistol for the "real world", particularly in the g17/34 size, BUT- I have and will spent the extra from OEM as the price difference does not justify taking the chance (odds) of having an issue relative to the stakes should that Magpul mag go down at a most inopportune time.

YMMV Greatly.

DB

[Sam]

I would not be surprised if Magpul eventually comes out with reduced capacity mags for certain states/countries. I'm a little bit surprised that haven't yet. But it also sounds like maybe they still need to work the kinks out of their standard mags.

But would it really matter if Magpul released a clone of the 10 round Glock magazines rather than actually making a reliable 10 round magazine?

[Sam]

But would it really matter if Magpul released a clone of the 10 round Glock magazines rather than actually making a reliable 10 round magazine?

Sorry to be snarky, Bigghoss, just a little frustrated with the mag situation recently.

[Beat Trash]

So I took one of my fully loaded MagPul 12 rd magazines that has been left loaded for about two months and put it into my Glock 26 gen 4 last night. Seated ok with the slide forward. But when I went to drop the magazine, it didn’t drop free! Hung up slightly. Keep in mind this is a loaded magazine. I took a close look and apparently the magazine body has swollen up just a bit.

I know that the empty mag would drop free with the slide forward and also with the slide locked back when it was new, as I check all new magazines.

As much as I like the feel of the MagPul 12 rd magazine, I will not buy anymore of these. I ‘lol be sticking to OEM magazines.

[Bigghoss]

But would it really matter if Magpul released a clone of the 10 round Glock magazines rather than actually making a reliable 10 round magazine?

I don't see why they'd copy the Glock design that everyone knows sucks rather than just make a 10 round double stack mag that's blocked or something to limit it to 10 rounds.

[nwhpfan]

I just bought some 21 rounders for $14 shipped from Midway. I shoot the occasional 3 gun or charity outlaw match so they should come in handy.

[RJ]

Was thinking y’all could address this question, somewhat related to mags:

In my ‘What Does Your CCW Rig Weigh?’ Thread from last year, 5 out of 8 of the Glock 19 respondents indicated they carried with 15 rounds, 3 said they had 16.

I thought that was curious.

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?

[blues]

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?

Not in my experience...since 1988.

[RJ]

Not in my experience...since 1988.

Cool.

I’ll have to go look as it’s possible I confused mag capacity (15) with CCW load (15+1).

[psalms144.1]

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?I've never downloaded, and never had a problem with any of my GLOCKs, carrying them since the late 80s/early 90s.

By the same token, there are lots of folks I'd trust my life to that INSIST you should download.

I guess you have to do what's right for you...

[M2CattleCo]

I've always downloaded Glock 19, 17, and 21 mags by one. Just because it's a tight squeeze when they're full. Loading on a closed slide is harder than I like when they're loaded full.

[Gray222]

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[Drang]

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?

What you're probably seeing is folks who do not chamber a round, remove the mag, "top off", and reinsert the mag.
I vaguely recall a discussion, possibly from that thread, in which folks admitted to having done so when carrying "low cap pistols" (i.e., 1911s and other single stacks) but ceased it when they started carrying double-stack, "full cap" pistols.
"Topping off the mag" increases the administrative gun handling quite a bit, and therefore increases the potential for unsafe gun handling.

[pangloss]

Well, I ordered five more 17-round mags and two more 21-round mags from Midway last night. The price on these is crazy low right now and my wife needed stocking stuffers for me for Christmas. Buying mags out of the Christmas gift budget instead if the gun budget is a double win.

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[Mr_White]

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?

IMHO, not typically. I've seen the practice of downloading by one round in Glock magazines recommended by a number of people - I want to say including at least one notable trainer, but I am fuzzy on that now and couldn't name a name with any confidence. The reason cited is usually the more-difficult seating of the magazine with the slide forward, but general reliability is sometimes also a stated reason. I've never found it necessary myself. Years ago with a G30, I found it required noticeably more effort to seat a completely full magazine with the slide forward, but I still had no problem doing it. I've never noticed even a hint of the issue in any other Glock/magazine combo that I have used.

[45dotACP]

I have a 17 round mag. It works.

I carry the standard mags tho.

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[RJ]

What you're probably seeing is folks who do not chamber a round, remove the mag, "top off", and reinsert the mag.
I vaguely recall a discussion, possibly from that thread, in which folks admitted to having done so when carrying "low cap pistols" (i.e., 1911s and other single stacks) but ceased it when they started carrying double-stack, "full cap" pistols.
"Topping off the mag" increases the administrative gun handling quite a bit, and therefore increases the potential for unsafe gun handling.

Well, I don't want to set the internet on fire but...so I went back and checked my thread. These folks are definitely carrying G19s 14+1, and it was stated that way. So...I dunno.

At any rate, I appreciate the discussion; interesting stuff.

ETA: My approach will generally be to use a "Barney" mag to load one round, then remove and insert a full magazine for 15+1.

[ST911]

Was thinking y’all could address this question, somewhat related to mags:

In my ‘What Does Your CCW Rig Weigh?’ Thread from last year, 5 out of 8 of the Glock 19 respondents indicated they carried with 15 rounds, 3 said they had 16.

I thought that was curious.

Do Glocks typically need to be downloaded by one round to function reliably?

Not the 9mm. Occasionally, the .40 and 357 Auto will be sufficiently tight that some elect to download.

[Drang]

Well, I don't want to set the internet on fire but...so I went back and checked my thread.
These folks are definitely carrying G19s 14+1, and it was stated that way.
Musta been a different thread then. Nothing to ragequit over... :p

[seamastersw]

I have several 15 round 9mm mags from Magpul. I like them, no complaints or concerns.

[philpac33]

I was on the Brownell’s preorder for a half dozen when the 17s were first released; I also received the updated replacement bodies when Magpul recalled and replaced the originals. I’ve used 3 of those and (2) 15 rounders a decent amount and they have all been fine in a Gen3 19 and Gen4 17. I’m going to stick with OEM while I break in a new Gen5 19.

I still have those original faulty magazine bodies that Magpul replaced. Can anyone think of any use for them? I know my stippling technique could use some practice.....

[Darth_Uno]

I have 10 17’s and 10 15’s, no problems with either using brass ammo or any premium JHP.

Don’t really have anything technical here, just reporting no issues. Got em all right before the last election so they may be newer(ish) production.


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[Totem Polar]

Well, I ordered five more 17-round mags and two more 21-round mags from Midway last night. The price on these is crazy low right now...

Thanks for mentioning this. I just picked up 5 x 15s for class/range use with my new Gen 5 19. Stupid cheap.

[pangloss]

Thanks for mentioning this. I just picked up 5 x 15s for class/range use with my new Gen 5 19. Stupid cheap.I'm happy to help! After my post yesterday I bought a new Gen 5 19. Great minds think alike, I guess.

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[Joe Mac]

I don't do "groupthink", but I do have dozens of Magpul mags in 17, 15, and 12 round flavors, as well as a handful of 21s.

These have become my primary training mags. I've put thousands of rounds through them, and they have worked without drama. Whether I've had any malfunctions, I can't say for sure; I don't recall any, but as they are strictly training mags for me, I would've just cleared a malfunction and moved on without fretting over a diagnosis.

I carry Glock factory mags as a rule, but I wouldn't lose sleep if it were the zombie apocalypse, and all I had left were the Magpul mags... :)

[Doc_Glock]

G19 approximately 5000 rounds:

Two failures due to Wolf poly coat ammo getting stuck in 15 round mag. This happens with Glock OE as well.
One failure to feel Brown Bear GL9 15
FTE Ranger T 124 +P and GL9 15 mag

G26: 2000 rounds
Two short strokes with PPU 115, and WWB 115 ammo both first round in a 12+1 setting with GL9 mag.
One light primer strike with 147 HST probably due to slightly out of battery, GL9 mid mag.

The failures with cheap, weak ammo don't particularly bother me. The failures with carry rounds definitely do. 1-2/1000 failure rate isn't that bad, but it is at least 3-4 times what I have seen with OE Glock mags. I will not use them for carry, but will happily train with them.

[TGS]

I shot just under 3000 rounds this week spread across 6 17 round PMAGs, with an additional 3 getting about an additional 800 rounds from another shooter. In addition to the firing schedule, the mags were subjected to lots of dirt at the feed lips.

No malfunctions due to the mags. The only malfunctions I had at all were premature lockbacks with my grip interfacing with the G19M extended slide stop levers, which I addressed in short order.

They are, however, an absolute bitch to load. 3000 rounds in 3 days, dudes. My fucking thumb is so god damned raw right now.

[M2CattleCo]

The loader that comes with Glocks works with the Pmags. First time I've ever used it is with Pmags, they are tough to load.

[peterb]

Thanks for mentioning this. I just picked up 5 x 15s for class/range use with my new Gen 5 19. Stupid cheap.

Yup. At $10 each I just picked up a few more for training. Hard not to at that price.

[Bigghoss]

My Magpuls are the reason I'm considering ordering an Uplula. The factory mags are usually hard to load at first too but usually within 4 or 5 cycles the spring finds it's place and stops binding. The Magpuls are much more stubborn.

[Nephrology]

For whatever its worth, my glocks are used in an extremely dry and dusty environment. May or may not be the cause of these malfunctions.

[Totem Polar]

My Magpuls are the reason I'm considering ordering an Uplula. The factory mags are usually hard to load at first too but usually within 4 or 5 cycles the spring finds it's place and stops binding. The Magpuls are much more stubborn.

You should do the uplula anyways. It definitely greases the wheels during range and class time, regardless of MP or OEM, in my experience. :)

[RJ]

You should do the uplula anyways. It definitely greases the wheels during range and class time, regardless of MP or OEM, in my experience. :)

My Uplula is the best shooting accessory in my range bag.

[Bigghoss]

You should do the uplula anyways. It definitely greases the wheels during range and class time, regardless of MP or OEM, in my experience. :)


My Uplula is the best shooting accessory in my range bag.

#Ordered (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Ordered)

[blues]

You should do the uplula anyways. It definitely greases the wheels during range and class time, regardless of MP or OEM, in my experience. :)

Yep...and saves wear and tear on the base of my right thumb which has developed some arthritis (self diagnosed) following several athletic injuries to that area.

Great invention. I even have one for .223 but it's not nearly as necessary.

[SC_Dave]

To the MP Glock mags: I have 12 for my 19 and have never had an issue. I like the "stepped" base plate because I have a Agency Arms magwell so it makes it easier to rip the mag out if need be.

To the Uplula: I like it. The only thing better would be to have someone load mags for me. I have tried multiple mag loaders and keep returning to the Uplula. I too have arthritis at the base of my left thumb and hurts loading them without it. Once you get the rhythm down with it, it's pretty quick.
SCD

[Bigghoss]

Tried some Magpul 21 rounders in my 19L FrenkenGlock and a gen 4 19 plus 2 of my MP 15's in the 19/4. I only shot 150 rounds but it was Winchester Forged steel cased ammo, the cases are really gritty and rough and this stuff has a reputation for making guns choke. The mags all fed fine, locked the slide on empty, and dropped free. I experienced the classic bitch-to-load syndrome with the brand new 21's, being anywhere from difficult to impossible to load to capacity. The 15's have had some use so they were alright. I also had one 21rd mag that was the impossible-to-load mag have the follower get hung up. I neglected to mark them so I was loading a mag and could only get 19 in so I said F-it and unloaded the mag to put the rounds in another mag when the follower stopped following as well as it should have. It didn't get stuck but it was barely putting pressure on the rounds. That happened only once but I didn't load and shoot them all very much. I made a point to load to capacity then use an empty mag to chamber a round and then seat the fully loaded mag after the chamber was loaded and had no trouble there either. And wouldn't you know it? Just minutes after getting home my Uplula showed up. I'm going to use it to load the mags all the way and hopefully try them out next week.

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[Bigghoss]

The issue I mentioned earlier with the follower sticking is definitely ammo related. I decided to cycle the mags a few times with the help of the Uplula and all three were sticking. Took the mags apart and ran a brush through them and then loaded them with some nickle plated JHPs from my stash and they loaded and unloaded without hanging up. Loaded and unloaded them again with the steel cased and they were a lot better and they're all at the point where I can load them by hand without the Uplula if need be but they're still difficult.

This confirms my theory that MP Glock mags require some break in. The only reason I'm even considering the possibility of using these for defensive use is because the 12 round mags are probably more durable than the Glock OEM ones and also because the 21 round mags would make for good reloads if they're reliable. For $10-15 each the 15 and 17 round mags make for good range mags.

[willie]

On occasion I have cleaned mag interiors with silicon spay on a cloth. Other times I've done the same with Flitz. Perhaps I was fixing things that weren't broke but I thought that I was improving by making inner surfaces more slick.

[Bigghoss]

I don't know if those thing would help or not but the Winchester Forged ammo has residue or some such crap on it and I think that stuff flaking off was partially or totally to blame for the followers sticking. That or the rough cases themselves being pressed into the body of the mag and getting wedged. They get better with use and the Forged ammo is particularly malfunction-inducing.

[M2CattleCo]

I got 12 15 round and 11 17 round Pmags for less than $8/each shipped so I decided to use 'em until they wore out or they got on my nerves.

So far so good with brass cased round nose in a Gen5 19. I had the follower stick loading one this morning at a match, but after I smacked it on the table it worked fine.

I do not recommend them for carry under any circumstance, but for beater mags they're fine.

[Bigghoss]

Put another 300 rounds through 6 Magpuls, 3 21's and 3 15's, without issue.

The guys with InRange TV have not had good luck with Magpul Glock mags and do not recommend them.

[mtnbkr]

I ran over 200rnds through my 6 15rnd Magpul mags this weekend as well. No issues. I had Glock mags mixed in and didn't notice any difference in operation.

Chris

[Lynskey]

I bought some Magpul magazines for my two Gen4 Glock 19 because they were on a super sale and I gave them a try. They are what I use mostly for range shooting. They work equally as well as the factory magazines. No problems in several thousand rounds. I rarely have shot aluminum or steel cased ammo in any of my guns so have no experience with those type rounds in the Magpuls or my Glock magazines.

That said, I only use Glock factory magazines for carry use in either my G19s or G43s.

[Slalom.45]

I thought of buying a few for dry fire only. Does anyone find issue with them dropping free when empty? I'd rather drop/kick $8 mags on the garage floor than my Glock factory ones for sure....

[Darth_Uno]

Same as OEM I’ve found. In fact the base plates have a little more weight to them than OEM. Side note, while I usually practice retention drills, I lay a carpet scrap on my basement floor for speed reload drills. No point bouncing off concrete if you don’t have to.


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[Bigghoss]

Out of the 6 that I've used I have not noticed any problems dropping free. In fact, besides the follower hanging up when unloading by hand, they have so far functioned perfectly. But I have probably only shot 600-700 rounds thought all of them, which is not a lot spread over 6 mags. I'll probably take the 21's out again this weekend and try them in my stock gen 3 17.

[Totem Polar]

Just a quick post to say that I took my 5 dirt-cheap magpul G19s and my new G19.5 Ameriglo for a spin with 3 boxes of Men ball--enough to fill each magpul twice. All good; cycling, locking back, dropping free, retention, etc. I am pretty happy with the $10 apiece investment; I can see picking up some more fancy Feeb OEMs to vet with carry ammo, and then stacking these magpul sticks deep (as in ten at a time whenever a similar sale comes up, the next few times it comes up) to use for general range/class/dropping abuse. Pretty cool.

[M2CattleCo]

That's all I wanted mine for and they're doing just fine for that. I have 12 15 rounders, 11 17 rounders and 2 21s. I've loaded 'em all up with Federal 124gr ball a few times and they feed it fine.

I need to take about half of 'em out of my range bag, my ammo budget can't keep up with 400+ round range trips twice a week!

[Totem Polar]

I need to take about half of 'em out of my range bag, my ammo budget can't keep up with 400+ round range trips twice a week!
Copy that, all too well.

[Frank R]

I have a 15 & 17 Magpul mags. Neither one can be loaded to capacity.

[willie]

One thing that I've wondered about is this. Could not after market mag makers have merely made an exact clone of Glock's oem mag? I'm assuming that patents did not protect them.

[Bigghoss]

One thing that I've wondered about is this. Could not after market mag makers have merely made an exact clone of Glock's oem mag? I'm assuming that patents did not protect them.

If they did it probably would cost just as much. And since Glock already makes them they have already recouped the cost of setting up to make them and they've worked out the issues. A new manufacturer is probably going to run into problems at first and people will give up on them pretty quick. Plenty of people already scoff at Magpul Glock mags saying OEM mags are cheap enough even though MPs are $10-15 cheaper.

[Bigghoss]

I have a 15 & 17 Magpul mags. Neither one can be loaded to capacity.

Uplula loader. Usee it to load up the mags and unload them, repeat 5 or 6 times and they should be good after that. I still use the Uplula though even though mine are broke in.

[Trukinjp13]

Uplula loader. Usee it to load up the mags and unload them, repeat 5 or 6 times and they should be good after that. I still use the Uplula though even though mine are broke in.

This, so much this.


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[blues]

Concur on Uplula even though my 12, 15 and 17 round versions aren't too bad as far as filling to capacity.

That said, I'm sort of surprised that this topic has spanned 11 pages. (I suppose I shouldn't be, it is P-F after all...)

[Frank R]

Uplula loader. Usee it to load up the mags and unload them, repeat 5 or 6 times and they should be good after that. I still use the Uplula though even though mine are broke in.

Been there, done that.

[Bigghoss]

Been there, done that.

If you still can't load them all the way even with the Uplula then I would contact Magpul and get them replaced.

[willie]

My guess is that with the current glut of shooting related products many small businesses like MagPul and others may be feeling financial strain. One indicator is placing like MidwayUSA blowing out their products on clearance specials. I've decided that if I buy any such products in the near future, I'll order from the main company itself. We must not forget that although we are enjoying a buyer's market, it's hell on companies that we will need in difficult times--like the political climate after the next election.

[StraitR]

1911's and pizza guns are the only two service pistols types that I specifically buy non-OEM magazines for.

Glocks and HKs are OEM no-brainers, IMO.

[scw2]

Same as OEM I’ve found. In fact the base plates have a little more weight to them than OEM. Side note, while I usually practice retention drills, I lay a carpet scrap on my basement floor for speed reload drills. No point bouncing off concrete if you don’t have to.

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I forget who gave me the idea, but if you put a scrap of carpet or bunched up towel in a box, then put the on a chair or stool, it makes it even easier. No need to bend over to pick up the mags!

[Lucus McCain]

If you still can't load them all the way even with the Uplula then I would contact Magpul and get them replaced.

All 3 of my 12 round Magpuls were nearly impossible to fully load, and if I got the 12th round in wouldn't chamber the first round. I ended up filing down the middle leg of the follower just a bit until all 3 loaded and cycled perfectly.

[Bigghoss]

I have 2 of the 12's but haven't been playing with those because they don't fit the 19 I chopped to take 16 mags (yet). I do remember them being hard to load as well but they're currently loaded to capacity waiting to get some exercise. I can't remember is it was a 12 or a 15 but I was loading one of my mags by hand before I got my Uplula and I was trying to force that last round in and my hand slipped and I ended up more-or-less punching the mag and it drew a fair bit of blood.

I'm curious if maybe the ridiculous spring pressure we're all fighting to load the mags might also be responsible or partially responsible for the unreliability some people are experiencing.

[hiro]

I have 11 of the 15 round Magpuls. They were all difficult to load to capacity when new. I found that by leaving them loaded and with use, they settled and I can now load to 15 unaided. I use them at the range and have had no issues with their function with both 147gr Lawman and a small number of self defence loads.

[M2CattleCo]

I have 2 of the 12's but haven't been playing with those because they don't fit the 19 I chopped to take 16 mags (yet). I do remember them being hard to load as well but they're currently loaded to capacity waiting to get some exercise. I can't remember is it was a 12 or a 15 but I was loading one of my mags by hand before I got my Uplula and I was trying to force that last round in and my hand slipped and I ended up more-or-less punching the mag and it drew a fair bit of blood.

I'm curious if maybe the ridiculous spring pressure we're all fighting to load the mags might also be responsible or partially responsible for the unreliability some people are experiencing.

I don't think a mag spring can be too strong short of destroying the magazine.

I think the problem is that the polymer has too much friction and the cases don't slide/roll up the sides of the mag body easily.

[willie]

M2's comment about polymer mags and friction reinforces my same opinion, but I have no verifying data. Now I routinely give mag interiors the old Flitz treatment if I suspect that interiors are not as smooth as I think they should be. But I have another opinion about magazines and difficulty in adding last round. I think that after market manufacturers are trying to achieve two goals: achieving oem capacity and keeping overall length to a strict minimum. One thing that I like about Beretta factory mags is that last round insertion is easy. Also, inserting a full mag is easy. If the shooter has to use extreme force to load that last round, then he may have hell inserting the mag into the pistol. For this reason, I sometimes down load some mags with this issue. The S&W 45 Shield is one example. My spare mag will have one less round.

[Bigghoss]

M2's comment about polymer mags and friction reinforces my same opinion, but I have no verifying data. Now I routinely give mag interiors the old Flitz treatment if I suspect that interiors are not as smooth as I think they should be. But I have another opinion about magazines and difficulty in adding last round. I think that after market manufacturers are trying to achieve two goals: achieving oem capacity and keeping overall length to a strict minimum. One thing that I like about Beretta factory mags is that last round insertion is easy. Also, inserting a full mag is easy. If the shooter has to use extreme force to load that last round, then he may have hell inserting the mag into the pistol. For this reason, I sometimes down load some mags with this issue. The S&W 45 Shield is one example. My spare mag will have one less round.

I made a point two weeks ago to load the chamber and then drop the magazine and insert a fully loaded mag on a closed slide and did not have a problem. This was on the first range trip with the mags when they were still very difficult to load by hand. With the ones I have, inserting them with the slide closed doesn't seem to be a problem.

[Lucus McCain]

I have 11 of the 15 round Magpuls. They were all difficult to load to capacity when new. I found that by leaving them loaded and with use, they settled and I can now load to 15 unaided. I use them at the range and have had no issues with their function with both 147gr Lawman and a small number of self defence loads.

I tried leaving my 12 rounders loaded for several weeks. Didn't seem to help. Filing a little off the follower foot did the trick for me.

[L-2]

Update to my earlier Post#27, I've since given my G19 Magpul mags away due to the failures to lock-back with my G19Gen5.
My G26 Magpul mags are still my main carry mags.

[Frank R]

If you have to go through a hassle to get another round in a magazine, it's not worth the effort. My opinion.

I'll ride with Glock mags in the future.

[Bigghoss]

If you have to go through a hassle to get another round in a magazine, it's not worth the effort. My opinion.

I'll ride with Glock mags in the future.

Despite my doing the opposite, I can't really argue this.

[Totem Polar]

I’m not so sure that magpul has standardized out on these sticks. I’ve noted before that getting a 12th round into the G26 mags I have is harder than submitting a purple belt in jits (despite their total reliability otherwise), while others have noted no issues. Conversely, my recent midway order of G19 mags yielded perfect results; loading a full 15 feels no different than loading up the OEM Feeb sticks that came with my 19.5. All the magpuls took the 15th round with no effort using the uplula, right out of the little grey bags. And they fulfilled all aspects of function just fine. Until the gen 5 mags see more availability on the open market, I’m personally fine buying more magpuls each paycheck.

Clearly, this is case-by-case. I’m pretty sure every regular P-F poster is capable of loading a magazine; simplest theory is that the magsticks are somewhat inconsistent. I dunno...

[mtnbkr]

You guys may want to do some thumb exercises or something, maybe visit the dojo for some thumb wrestling. I don't have any issue getting 15 rounds into my Magpul 15 magazines.

:p

Chris

[Bigghoss]

You guys may want to do some thumb exercises or something, maybe visit the dojo for some thumb wrestling. I don't have any issue getting 15 rounds into my Magpul 15 magazines.

:p

Chris

I'm sure you don't. But some of us do. Considering how relatively new the MPs are to the market and how early some of us jumped on the bandwagon it's possible, if not likely, that some early mags are hard to load and some more recent production mags may be easier. Or maybe we just have weak thumbs from being keyboard warriors instead of shooting more.

[mtnbkr]

I'm sure you don't. But some of us do. Considering how relatively new the MPs are to the market and how early some of us jumped on the bandwagon it's possible, if not likely, that some early mags are hard to load and some more recent production mags may be easier. Or maybe we just have weak thumbs from being keyboard warriors instead of shooting more.

Possibly, though I don't know how far back one must go to get early production MP mags. I've been buying mine for over a year (not sure exactly when, the first couple were impulse purchases at a local shop). They were very tight at the beginning, but loosened up over time (talking about the MP mags here). I also keep mine loaded and in my range bag, which possibly helps.

I'll have you know that keyboarding isn't nearly enough to develop legendary thumbs (they only get reps on the spacebar), you need to do text-message reps to get the necessary volume.

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[TGS]

In the last week I've had 5 Glock PMAGs go tits-up on me...4 17s, and 1 15...one of which was on my belt as a duty reload.

Ammo used was Winchester Ranger 124gr FMJ, Speer Gold Dot G2, Federal 90gr(?) frangible, and Federal HydraShok 124gr.

When using these mags in question, my 19M failed to chamber a round. The round hung up on the nose....a simple tap of the slide returned it to full battery. It happened nearly every round.

Given this happened with vetted mags and zero warning or visually apparent damage, I'm pulling the rest of my Glock PMAGs from duty use and bought a bunch more OEM mags today to fill in. I'll try cleaning the PMAGs and see if it makes a difference, but at this rate I can't even trust them as a training mag.

[blues]

^^^^Thanks for sharing that info, T. Forewarned is forearmed.

[EJO]

I purchased six 17 round pmags, six 15 round pmags and three 12 round pmags. I don't remember the exact date but it was approximately six months ago. The 17 and 15 round magazines I ran in my gen4 and gen5 Glock 17 and 19, respectively. Ive experienced feeding issues, double feeds, premature lock back, failure to lock back on empty and two of the 17 round magazines had the base pads pop off. I gave them to guys that wanted to try them and warned them they are for range use only. We do not allow nor will we allow Magpul pistol pmags for patrol/ swat.

I went back to using my old gen3 factory magazines and all of the issues went away. I only ran two maybe three thousand rounds through the pmags. My old gen3 range magazines have an excess of ten thousand rounds through them over the years and have been dropped thousands of times in gravel and on black top. The Glock magazines just keep going.

Strangely enough I have had no problems with the 12 round pmags in my gen4 and gen5 26's. I'm not sure why they run fine and the others did not...

[blues]

Strangely enough I have had no problems with the 12 round pmags in my gen4 and gen5 26's. I'm not sure why they run fine and the others did not...

I've had no issues with five 12 rounders for my Gen2.5 G26.

I don't recall any failures with the 15 or 17 round magazines either, fwiw, but they are for quals only.

The 12 rounders are the only ones I've vetted for carry...though I'm gonna have to possibly rethink this.

[RJ]

Do you guys have any thoughts on Glock OEM 10 rounders with a Glock OEM +2 extension vs. a PMAG 12 rounder, in terms of reliability or usability/shooting?

I have a mag with a +2 and was about to order a PMAG 12 to try when I saw this post.

Pistol is a 26.5.

[EJO]

I've had no issues with five 12 rounders for my Gen2.5 G26.

I don't recall any failures with the 15 or 17 round magazines either, fwiw, but they are for quals only.

The 12 rounders are the only ones I've vetted for carry...though I'm gonna have to possibly rethink this.

As much as I want to carry the 12 rounders in my 26s I just can't bring myself to do it. Granted I've only put approximately 600 rounds through the three Magpul magazines. I just don't shoot my 26s as much.

[EJO]

Do you guys have any thoughts on Glock OEM 10 rounders with a Glock OEM +2 extension vs. a PMAG 12 rounder, in terms of reliability or usability/shooting?

I have a mag with a +2 and was about to order a PMAG 12 to try when I saw this post.

Pistol is a 26.5.


Rich,

I have several thousand rounds through Glock factory ten round magazines with plus two. The Glock 26 ten round magazine uses the same spring as the Glock 19 magazine. I've had zero problems with Glock +2 extensions. I do use them for carry and work in my 26.

[L-2]

For Post#134, I do have thoughts but no actual experience (yet). (to further explain my Post#123)

I've got a G26 in both a Gen3 and a Gen4, but not Gen5 as yet.
The 12-round G26 PMags are working fine with quality brass-cased ammo. No steel-cased ammo feeds reliably using my Glock or Magpul handgun mags.

I'm also wondering how my 12-round Glock PMags are going to work when/if I get a G26Gen5, as the 15-round PMags in my G19Gen5 resulted in premature lock-backs with one round left in the mag (even though the 15-round PMags worked fine in both my G19 Gen3 and Gen4.

[TGS]

^^^^Thanks for sharing that info, T. Forewarned is forearmed.

In addition to carrying them everyday for routine duty, off-duty, and a protection detail, I served 2 warrants on agg. felons with those previously vetted mags on my hip before departing my last office, one of which actually admitted to us on the ride to SDNY that he was planning to fight until he saw all the people behind me (I was #1). Not cool.

ETA: Sort of just reinforces the idea that whenever you think you might need a gun, please bring friends with guns.


As much as I want to carry the 12 rounders in my 26s I just can't bring myself to do it. Granted I've only put approximately 600 rounds through the three Magpul magazines. I just don't shoot my 26s as much.

Fortunately I don't have this dilemma because I can't find a reason to carry the 26 instead of the 19. :o

[blues]

In addition to carrying them everyday for routine duty, off-duty, and a protection detail, I served 2 warrants on agg. felons with those previously vetted mags on my hip before departing my last office, one of which actually admitted to us on the ride to SDNY that he was planning to fight until he saw all the people behind me (I was #1). Not cool.

ETA: Sort of just reinforces the idea that whenever you think you might need a gun, please bring friends with guns.



Fortunately I don't have this dilemma because I can't find a reason to carry the 26 instead of the 19. :o


Glad that worked out without the drama, T, and the scumbag decided to stand down.

I'm carrying my G19 as well. I've pretty much locked the 26 in the safe for LEOSA carry in restrictive states...such as when I visited family in NY and NJ last summer.

[drummer]

In the last week I've had 5 Glock PMAGs go tits-up on me...4 17s, and 1 15...one of which was on my belt as a duty reload.

Ammo used was Winchester Ranger 124gr FMJ, Speer Gold Dot G2, Federal 90gr(?) frangible, and Federal HydraShok 124gr.

When using these mags in question, my 19M failed to chamber a round. The round hung up on the nose....a simple tap of the slide returned it to full battery. It happened nearly every round.

Given this happened with vetted mags and zero warning or visually apparent damage, I'm pulling the rest of my Glock PMAGs from duty use and bought a bunch more OEM mags today to fill in. I'll try cleaning the PMAGs and see if it makes a difference, but at this rate I can't even trust them as a training mag.

The two Magpul 21 rounders I use as range mags are still going strong. Your malfunction reminds me of what my old duty Glock 22 used to do years ago. As the springs got weak from staying loaded long term, they would feed but would need a slap on the back of the slide to chamber. That was my clue to change them. In the mid 2000s Glock upgraded the mag (spring and follower) and I no longer had that problem. Before that, I would actually unload my mags on my days off to prolong the spring life.

[TGS]

The two Magpul 21 rounders I use as range mags are still going strong. Your malfunction reminds me of what my old duty Glock 22 used to do years ago. As the springs got weak from staying loaded long term, they would feed but would need a slap on the back of the slide to chamber. That was my clue to change them. In the mid 2000s Glock upgraded the mag (spring and follower) and I no longer had that problem. Before that, I would actually unload my mags on my days off to prolong the spring life.

I have a bunch of the 21 rounders and haven't had problems with them yet, thankfully.

For reference, all of the 17 round PMAGs I'm using were purchased in November of 2017.

[EJO]

In addition to carrying them everyday for routine duty, off-duty, and a protection detail, I served 2 warrants on agg. felons with those previously vetted mags on my hip before departing my last office, one of which actually admitted to us on the ride to SDNY that he was planning to fight until he saw all the people behind me (I was #1). Not cool.

ETA: Sort of just reinforces the idea that whenever you think you might need a gun, please bring friends with guns.

I can't tell you how many times Billy Bad Ass won't back down with two patrol guys and when my team rolls up, he gives up as soon as we leave armor and start our approach. Friends are a good thing and armed friends are even better. ;)



[/QUOTE]Fortunately I don't have this dilemma because I can't find a reason to carry the 26 instead of the 19. :o[/QUOTE]

While I much prefer my 19 I run a 26 as a back up at work and will throw it on when mowing the lawn or doing yard work. To each their own...

[blues]

While I much prefer my 19 I run a 26 as a back up at work and will throw it on when mowing the lawn or doing yard work. To each their own...

My G26 was the backup to my G19 at work as well. (And sometimes primary.) But I thought the S&W 642 was the around home gun. I've got to start reading the memos. :cool:

[Francis]

Do you guys have any thoughts on Glock OEM 10 rounders with a Glock OEM +2 extension vs. a PMAG 12 rounder, in terms of reliability or usability/shooting?

I have a mag with a +2 and was about to order a PMAG 12 to try when I saw this post.

Pistol is a 26.5.

Rich, I wanted to use the PMAG 12 for carry but in the end the ones I have were not reliable when vetting. I use the OEM 12 rounders. Here's what I put in my 2000 challenge entry... (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge&p=658010&viewfull=1#post658010)


Of the nine stoppages, seven were with a MagPul 12 rd mag, four of those were in a 12+1 scenario where the first round fired and then experienced a FTE. The other 3 MagPul stoppages were during a training class so I don't have the details recorded. During that class though I only ran MagPul 12 and always started each drill at 12+1.

[snip]

Re. the MagPul mags, I like their profile better than the Glocks for concealment but they are very hard to load and for me, unreliable. I also have in my notes that on various occasions when using the MagPul mags the last round would sometimes dribble out of the ejection port in a random direction rather than a typical ejection. As much as I want to like them, I'm not comfortable using them for daily carry.

[Tyrok]

I own one 17 rounder and one 21; my Glock is a modified G26 Gen4 with a KKM compensator and an Aimpoint H1 on the slide so my sample size is extremely small, and extremely specific, but I wanted to offer my experience as a data point anyway.

With brass cased ammo I haven't experienced any malfunctions related to the Magpul mags, but with steel case Tula I get fail-to-eject's roughly every three rounds like clockwork. In contrast, my Glock OEM 10 rounders, and ETS 15 rounder gave me no problems whatsoever with steel.

Since the range trip that gave me problems I have changed my recoil spring to a lighter 13 lb from Wolff and will buy some more Tula to see if the failures stop.

With all that being said I still really like the Magpuls, they're cheap and extremely easy to take apart. Fantastic range mags.

[spinmove_]

So far I’ve got over a case through my 2 10 round G19 PMAGs and probably 2 cases through my 2 15 round G19 PMAGs. Haven’t had an issue with any of them. I have, however, had a few failures to feed on a G17 PMAG.

At this point they’re great training and practice mags for the price. I still carry nothing but OEM mags.


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[pangloss]

Do you guys have any thoughts on Glock OEM 10 rounders with a Glock OEM +2 extension vs. a PMAG 12 rounder, in terms of reliability or usability/shooting?

I have a mag with a +2 and was about to order a PMAG 12 to try when I saw this post.

Pistol is a 26.5.Rich, when I carry my 26.3, I have a Glock factory 10+2 mag in the pistol. I've never had function problems while shooting, but in one mag, the +2 extension started to separate from the mag tube. Now, I try to make it a point to visually check the extension whenever I carry my 26. It seems like that mag was 3 or 4 years old when the problem occurred. The mag I'm running now is older than that and doesn't show sign of problems.

I only have a few hundred rounds, at most, through the Magpul 12 rounders. No problems so far, but I still don't use them as carry mags yet.

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[pangloss]

My G26 was the backup to my G19 at work as well. (And sometimes primary.) But I thought the S&W 642 was the around home gun. I've got to start reading the memos. :cool:While you're at it, be sure to read the Glock 43 memo!

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[blues]

While you're at it, be sure to read the Glock 43 memo!

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I've tried to like it and want one. My hand begs to differ...and that's just when holding it, not even firing one.

[pangloss]

I've tried to like it and want one. My hand begs to differ...and that's just when holding it, not even firing one.That's really too bad. I waited a while before getting one and I like it a lot. Have you looked at a PPS?

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[RJ]

Thanks guys.

I went ahead with the order of a PMAG 12 rounder more or less as an educational opportunity, and to have another G26 Range mag. I won’t plan to carry it based on the feedback here.

[blues]

That's really too bad. I waited a while before getting one and I like it a lot. Have you looked at a PPS?

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I'm sure I'll be banned for saying this...but I don't really need any new guns. (Though a backup is still a consideration.)

[pangloss]

I'm sure I'll be banned for saying this...but I don't really need any new guns. (Though a backup is still a consideration.)Yeah, you really should start reading the memos...

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[CWE]

Thought I would add my recent experience:

I'm starting a 2K challenge on my Glock 19 Gen5 and for the test Im using a combination of Glock and Magpul mags. Each one is numbered to keep track of any issues. I was shooting the 19 off a sandbag while I was trying different height front sights. During this, I expereinced 3 failures to feed from one of my Magpul 15rd mags. It happened on the last round all three times and I shot a total of about 40 rounds during this, only loading 5 rounds at a time in the magazine. The baseplate was resting on the sandbag during this time so, Im not sure if that contributed to the issue. I switched to a different Magpul magazine and shot about 25 more rounds off the bag with no issues. I will use this mag some more at the range and see what happens.

[TGS]

In the last week I've had 5 Glock PMAGs go tits-up on me...4 17s, and 1 15...one of which was on my belt as a duty reload.

Ammo used was Winchester Ranger 124gr FMJ, Speer Gold Dot G2, Federal 90gr(?) frangible, and Federal HydraShok 124gr.

When using these mags in question, my 19M failed to chamber a round. The round hung up on the nose....a simple tap of the slide returned it to full battery. It happened nearly every round.

Given this happened with vetted mags and zero warning or visually apparent damage, I'm pulling the rest of my Glock PMAGs from duty use and bought a bunch more OEM mags today to fill in. I'll try cleaning the PMAGs and see if it makes a difference, but at this rate I can't even trust them as a training mag.

Had to put 3 more PMAGs out of service, today. Today's rounds were Winchester Ranger 124gr FMJ.

No response from Magpul at this point.

ETA: Also, I need to note that after reporting these malfunctions on the original "batch" of dying mags, I cleaned them quite well. They weren't terribly dirty. They did not function any better when I gave them a second chance at the range earlier this month.

ETA2: I qualified last week using Glock mags. No problems. So the gun is still verifiably reliable with OEM Glock mags.

[blues]

I still haven't had a malfunction out of my G26, 19 or 17 though the experience of others does make me wary.

[mtnbkr]

I still haven't had a malfunction out of my G26, 19 or 17 though the experience of others does make me wary.

Most of the mags for my G19.3 are Magpul. No issues after a case and a half. I haven't cleaned them or done anything other than load them to capacity, shoot, repeat.

Chris

[blues]

Most of the mags for my G19.3 are Magpul. No issues after a case and a half. I haven't cleaned them or done anything other than load them to capacity, shoot, repeat.

Chris

Same here. I will admit I've dry brushed the follower / feed lip area occasionally with an old tooth brush. (When I've remembered to as an afterthought.)

I'm using 12, 15, and 17 round mags for the Gen 2.5 G26, Gen 2/3 G19, (frame was updated last year), and Gen 4 G17.

[Kyle Reese]

My go to handgun 2-Gun mags are the 21 round 9mm PMAGs. If these start shitting the bed I'll grab some of the OEM 24 rounders.

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[BWT]

My first handgun was a commander length 1911. I tried probably 4 or 5 different mags to get mostly reliable. I finally gave up and that was part of the reason I went Glock.

I’m not a rich man, but I just got burnt so bad I’m sticking with Glock OEM with the slight premium.

God Bless,

Brandon

Although, I may try the 20-ish range round out at some point.

[texasaggie2005]

I have a handful of the 17 rounders I got on sale for dirt cheap;

- All have been 100% reliable with brass & nickel plated ammo.
- All are 100% guaranteed to jam up with certain steel case brands.

I use them exclusively as training mags, so I don't really care.

[LittleLebowski]

Mine work, not a fan of the big baseplates.

[BWT]

Also,

That being said. I own dozens of Magpul products. Their Glock magazines seem to be iffy. But as a company they are pretty much in a class of their own in quality and customer service.

I will not purchase an AR metal magazine without a Magpul Anti-Tilt Follower.

Contact Magpul and I’m sure they’ll get you taken care of.

God Bless,

Brandon

[RJ]

Tried a Pmag GL9 12 rounder in the G26 the other day.

I loaded it as normal, but could only fit 11 rounds. I mean, even with a MagLula. Is there some break in on these?

No big deal as I bought it as an experiment / range mag; more to broaden my experience and knowledge really.

[blues]

Tried a Pmag GL9 12 rounder in the G26 the other day.

I loaded it as normal, but could only fit 11 rounds. I mean, even with a MagLula. Is there some break in on these?

No big deal as I bought it as an experiment / range mag; more to broaden my experience and knowledge really.

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[RJ]

https://broncopress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/wheatee1225203d.jpg

I get it.

But.

It.

Would.

Not.

Fit.

I mean I leaned on it no kidding and the spring had no more compression left. I was just wondering if this was a known issue. I might take it apart and look at the follower to see if there is some manufacturing swarf underneath.

[blues]

Rich, I have five of the 12 rounders I picked up from Midway sometime last year after a lengthy wait for Magpul to re-release them.

I have not had an issue getting 12 round in with the "lula" but it's a snug fit.

[Bigghoss]

Tried a Pmag GL9 12 rounder in the G26 the other day.

I loaded it as normal, but could only fit 11 rounds. I mean, even with a MagLula. Is there some break in on these?

No big deal as I bought it as an experiment / range mag; more to broaden my experience and knowledge really.

I've had some that were hard to load and sometimes they straight-up would not load all the way. Usually unloading and then loading them again would unbind whatever and let me get the mag to full capacity. I actually spent a good bit of time in front of the TV loading and unloading Magpul mags to break them in.

[RJ]

Rich, I have five of the 12 rounders I picked up from Midway sometime last year after a lengthy wait for Magpul to re-release them.

I have not had an issue getting 12 round in with the "lula" but it's a snug fit.

K thanks.

I promise I’ll keep working the bicep curls. :cool:

[TGS]

My go to handgun 2-Gun mags are the 21 round 9mm PMAGs. If these start shitting the bed I'll grab some of the OEM 24 rounders.

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Thankfully I haven't had problems with the 21 rounders yet. FredM gave me some used ones which have been fine, I picked up a few new ones to supplant the failing PMAG17s and they've worked fine as well.

The 21 round is an awesome size.

Still haven't tried shooting the PMAG 12. We have to use the issued 10 round mags for quals, and I only ever take the thing out of the safe for quals….


Contact Magpul and I’m sure they’ll get you taken care of.


As previously addressed:


No response from Magpul at this point.

[Clusterfrack]

My G26 has FTF with a fully loaded PMag12. No issues with 11 rounds in it. My take: it is a 11 round mag.

[Francis]

My G26 has FTF with a fully loaded PMag12. No issues with 11 rounds in it. My take: it is a 11 round mag.

Ditto

[spyderco monkey]

Thought I'd bump an old thread vs create a new one.

How's the current consensus of Magpul Glock mags? Still having issues, or are the new ones mostly G2G with brass ammo?

I'm especially interested in how the 21rd mags are performing, as they are selling for $16 vs $32 for the factory 24 mag - which is a big difference when you're buying 10-20 of them.

[Wake27]

Thought I'd bump an old thread vs create a new one.

How's the current consensus of Magpul Glock mags? Still having issues, or are the new ones mostly G2G with brass ammo?

I'm especially interested in how the 21rd mags are performing, as they are selling for $16 vs $32 for the factory 24 mag - which is a big difference when you're buying 10-20 of them.

I haven’t tried those versions, but I ran several hundred rounds through 10rd 17 and 19 mags before leaving Hawaii and never had an issue - they were better than the Glock limited capacity mags IME. I’ve run less through the normal capacity 17 and 19 mags, but I own tons and have yet to have an issue. I was always surprised how many people thought they weren’t G2G.


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[Texaspoff]

I know the earlier ones had some issues, but I have quite a few of them that I use for range mags. I have runs thousands upon thousands of rounds through them with multiple guns and have never had an issue. I carry a few in my go bag loaded and ready to go. I don't carry them in my duty rig, but I don't have a problem with them if I had to.


TXPO

[spinmove_]

After having run a few cases at least through the standard capacity and limited capacity Glock PMAGs, I’d say they’re good to go enough to be used seriously if needed. The springs seem to be pretty strong for what the magazine really needs and the plastic feed lips probably aren’t ideal. Given their price, however, worst case scenario is that you’re replacing the magazine sooner than an OEM unit, but their cost is lower too.


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[Glockman9mm]

I know the earlier ones had some issues, but I have quite a few of them that I use for range mags. I have runs thousands upon thousands of rounds through them with multiple guns and have never had an issue. I carry a few in my go bag loaded and ready to go. I don't carry them in my duty rig, but I don't have a problem with them if I had to.


TXPO

I have 6 p mags and a dozen ets mags of 15 round capacity and have had failures to feed out of both brands. It’s obvious the round didn’t pop up quite fast enough to feed properly. This is with brass case ammo. Have never had this happen with a Glock factory mag in 15,000 plus rounds of use.

[Suvorov]

I've been using the 10 round G19 mags in my Ruger PC Carbine without any issues. They fit a little looser in the magazine well than the factory Glock mags do but I have been unable to induce a failure with forward, rearward, or sideward pressure on the magazine. My only concern about them is long term wear on the magazine lips but given that they are reduced capacity $12 magazines - I regard them as throwaway items.

[fwrun]

My two month old GL21 has been free of issues so far. A touch over half a case worth of brass. At this point, I trust it enough for use as my spare.

[mtnbkr]

After having run a few cases at least through the standard capacity and limited capacity Glock PMAGs, I’d say they’re good to go enough to be used seriously if needed. The springs seem to be pretty strong for what the magazine really needs and the plastic feed lips probably aren’t ideal. Given their price, however, worst case scenario is that you’re replacing the magazine sooner than an OEM unit, but their cost is lower too.


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I have pretty much the same experience. I've run about 2 cases (1 case of aluminum) through the 8 I have and they've run fine the entire time.

Chris

[blues]

I've had no issues with any of my Magpul magazines...12, 15 or 17 rounders.

[LSP552]

I need to order a few 10 rd for the G17 and 19 just in case the proposed mag ban passes here in RI.

[TGS]

Thought I'd bump an old thread vs create a new one.

How's the current consensus of Magpul Glock mags? Still having issues, or are the new ones mostly G2G with brass ammo?

I'm especially interested in how the 21rd mags are performing, as they are selling for $16 vs $32 for the factory 24 mag - which is a big difference when you're buying 10-20 of them.

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

[Suvorov]

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

Feed lip wear?

[TGS]

Feed lip wear?

No idea. They look fine to me.

[Norville]

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

My 21s have been flawless as well is USPSA competition.

Occasional issues w 17s. Enough to make them training only, but I still use them.

[spyderco monkey]

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

Thats good to hear about the 21's, sad to hear about the 17's.

Do you recall, what time period did you snag the 17's?

[Wake27]

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

Have you reached out to Magpul about them? I’m curious to hear what they’d say since they addressed the initial G26 mag issue so well.


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[JDD]

Within a year of purchase/1500 rounds per mag, none of my 17 round PMAGs will go more than a round of two without a failure to go into battery. All mags were rigorously cleaned and then retested with identical results.

All of my 21 round PMAGs of varying ages (9, some from last year, some from 2017) are good to go.

I just ordered a number of the 21 rounders (not for near term use), what kind of round count do you have on yours? Comparable to the 17's, or less use?

[TGS]

Do you recall, what time period did you snag the 17's?

November 2017, to be exact. NIB.


Have you reached out to Magpul about them? I’m curious to hear what they’d say since they addressed the initial G26 mag issue so well.

I had reached out on their website contact form and never heard back. I got busy with life and totally forgot to email a contact that BWT had given me, so your post prompted me to do such. We'll see what happens.


I just ordered a number of the 21 rounders (not for near term use), what kind of round count do you have on yours? Comparable to the 17's, or less use?

I couldn't say......given I didn't go through HREFC with the 21s, I'd say they have less rounds through them than the 17s. With that said, half of them I got used from a member here....so I'd danger that at least half of them are well used between him and I.

The 21s are sexy AF, and conceal well. Lot cheaper than buying Taran Tactical +5 extensions like all of MSD does.

[Maca]

in Massachusetts we are limited to 10 rounds. I use magpul mags for training and carry in my 19x. one particular mag has 5k rounds through it in training and has not given me any problems whatsoever.

I have 4 training mags in my range bag but run one about particular mag about 80% of the time.

I've cleaned it twice so far.

[flux]

Any updates specifically with regards to the 12 round G26 mag?

[blues]

Any updates specifically with regards to the 12 round G26 mag?

I've had no issues with my five. I am confident enough with those I've vetted that I carry in my 26.

[Cypher]

I have probably 20 Magpul mags, some 15-round some 12 round. I've had them to the range multiple times over the last two years. I've done classes with them. I have yet to have a malfunction.

I carry them daily in my glock 26

[Bolt_Overide]

I've got a couple dozen in various sizes, they are my range mags. Only issue I've had is with a single 17 rounder not feeding, which was caused by debris in the springs, no issues after cleaning.

Edit: I also had an issue with them seating in a spikes glock lower, lower seats all OEM mags I've tried. Currently waiting to hear back from spikes.

[noguns]

I have 5 15 round and 5 17 round pmags that I've used as range magazines.

My last trip I had multiple FTF, FTE, FTRB with several of them in my rtf2 g19 that has never had a malfunction until that trip. Today I fired 150 of the same rounds with the same pistol. I used the same fiocchi 115s. No malfunctions with factory magazines today.

I've logged almost 3000 rounds with these pmags and used them in 4 different pistols. Before the previous trips they functioned well, but I've lost my trust in non oem mags for now. I had been carrying a 21 round pmag as a spare and might look into a factory 19 or 24 rounder now.

BTW my 21 and 12 rounders have been fine, but not as many cycles through them compared with the 15/17s.

Does Magpul warranty their magazines?

[Up1911Fan]

I have 5 15 round and 5 17 round pmags that I've used as range magazines.

My last trip I had multiple FTF, FTE, FTRB with several of them in my rtf2 g19 that has never had a malfunction until that trip. Today I fired 150 of the same rounds with the same pistol. I used the same fiocchi 115s. No malfunctions with factory magazines today.

I've logged almost 3000 rounds with these pmags and used them in 4 different pistols. Before the previous trips they functioned well, but I've lost my trust in non oem mags for now. I had been carrying a 21 round pmag as a spare and might look into a factory 19 or 24 rounder now.

BTW my 21 and 12 rounders have been fine, but not as many cycles through them compared with the 15/17s.

Does Magpul warranty their magazines?

Magazines are consumable. I wouldn't be worried anout a warranty on an $11 mag. If they stop working, toss them.

[TGS]

Magazines are consumable. I wouldn't be worried anout a warranty on an $11 mag. If they stop working, toss them.

I guess money grows on trees in Upper Michigan, but it doesn't here. Simple math tells me that $11/mag, at 10 mags in both of our cases, is $110. I'll take a warranty, please.

Magazines are consumable. That's a true statement. Another true statement is that magazines, regardless of being consumable, should not fail within a year/1500 rounds use.



Does Magpul warranty their magazines?

Don't know actually, but it wouldn't matter anyway.

I used their website eform to report the problem, and then emailed the GL9 project manager directly and have yet to receive a response from either avenue.

[blues]

Don't know actually, but it wouldn't matter anyway.

I used their website eform to report the problem, and then emailed the GL9 project manager directly and have yet to receive a response from either avenue.

Now that I would have some issues and heartburn over.

While I've not run into issues with their mags in my own firearms, it's not the type of product that a reputable company should be taking their time getting around to responding to reports of issues. People's lives could conceivably hang in the balance.

I'd call them and make sure they got the point. You can't just give lip service on this particular matter.

[noguns]

I'll use my Magpuls next time I shoot my rtf2. I might shoot out my 21 round spare loaded with 147 hst to see what happens. It's been loaded for a few months now and been carried the entire time.

I'll mark the offending mags and contact Magpul to see if they'll do anything.

Worst case scenario I'll continue to use them as range mags. BTW when they malfunctioned I could not clear the fired case unless I dropped the magazine first. I'm definitely sticking with oem mags for carry.

[noguns]

My offending pmag stack has been bugging me so I decided to take them apart and inspect them. I was expecting to find a few springs slightly shorter but they were close enough. I did notice that if I manually push a bullet forward the case does not clear the magazine body.
I tried the same in oem Glock and HK mags and noticed that front part of the magazine body is noticeably lower than the pmags.

I have a m&p45 that malfunctioned because of this. I tried new springs and the same happened so I just took all the magazines to a grinder and removed about 5mm so they could reliably clear by hand. My mp45 was 100% after.

I'm going to file down my range Magpul magazines and see what happens. I'm not an engineer but I figured I have nothing to lose. I'd rather use these hard than my carry magazines. I have over 20 of these and I'd like to have them fully functional. I'm hoping to try them out this week after modifying.

[noguns]

I just finished burning through 11 pmags and not one malfunction.

I had one older 17 round that I marked "no good". Even with a slightly shorter spring that one functioned well also.

I'll definitely use these for range use and maybe a match next week. Still sticking with oem for carry.

[TGS]

noguns,

Can you post a pic of how much material you removed?

Also, did you alter the springs?

[fwrun]

noguns

I noticed my 21rd pmag does the exact same thing, particularly near the end of the magazine's capacity. I had not experienced any malfunctions due to it though, but I definitely notice while handling the magazine.

FWIW, I haven't had any magazine malfunctions at all with the pmag, but I did experience a failure to feed with a 19.5 mag with a TTI +5 extension today. Had a round nose dive that required me to strip the mag to clear. I like the way the TTI extension draws from the Koala pouch, but I may end up switching my reload back to the 21rd pmag for peace of mind.

[noguns]

noguns,

Can you post a pic of how much material you removed?

Also, did you alter the springs?


I did not alter any of the springs even my "no good" marked pmag 17 that has an obviously shorter spring.

All of them worked fine. I put a cheap caliper and estimate 4 to 5mm removed. Here is a pic of 2 21 rounders. One is modified and the other stock.

[JonInWA]

I've been following this thread with some interest. I have been impressed with Magpul's AR furniture and 1911 grips.

However, when I needed a dedicated magazine for my Gen4 Glock 22 to house my Underwood Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator cartridges semi-permanently, used for hunting, hiking and wilderness carry/backup, I immediately went only to a brand new Gen4 OEM Glock magazine. If I do the same in 9mm for my Gen 3 G17 and/or G19, I'll absolutely go the same OEM Glock magazine route. In an instance, however unlikely, that I might have to use one of my Glocks defensively, I want to have full confidence in the gun and it's components. I want to minimize as best as practicable any chances of Mr. Murphy rearing his head, especially when potentially my life or the lives of loved ones are at stake.

All of the magazines for my Glocks are OEM, purchased BNIB (except for 1 lightly used 10 round G21 magazine, that I use to hold my dry fire snap cap cartridges for my G21 dryfire practices)

All of my Glock magazines are maintained and examined for wear, both continually and in detail annually.

I have never had an operational issue with any of my Glock magazines. While that's not to say that I'm outright condemning the thought of any of the aftermarket magazines for Glocks, I'd be pretty hard-pressed to justify any real rationale for them other than for range use. OEM BNIB Glock magazines in my neck of the woods (Seattle metro area) are routinely available for about $26.

Best, Jon

[noguns]

One malfunction with pmag 21.

Double feed after first round.

I'll continue to use for practice only. I have over 20 Magpul magazines. I might as well beat them up.

[willie]

Will Magpul replace or repair defective magazines?

[LSP552]

I've been following this thread with some interest. I have been impressed with Magpul's AR furniture and 1911 grips.

However, when I needed a dedicated magazine for my Gen4 Glock 22 to house my Underwood Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator cartridges semi-permanently, used for hunting, hiking and wilderness carry/backup, I immediately went only to a brand new Gen4 OEM Glock magazine. If I do the same in 9mm for my Gen 3 G17 and/or G19, I'll absolutely go the same OEM Glock magazine route. In an instance, however unlikely, that I might have to use one of my Glocks defensively, I want to have full confidence in the gun and it's components. I want to minimize as best as practicable any chances of Mr. Murphy rearing his head, especially when potentially my life or the lives of loved ones are at stake.

All of the magazines for my Glocks are OEM, purchased BNIB (except for 1 lightly used 10 round G21 magazine, that I use to hold my dry fire snap cap cartridges for my G21 dryfire practices)

All of my Glock magazines are maintained and examined for wear, both continually and in detail annually.

I have never had an operational issue with any of my Glock magazines. While that's not to say that I'm outright condemning the thought of any of the aftermarket magazines for Glocks, I'd be pretty hard-pressed to justify any real rationale for them other than for range use. OEM BNIB Glock magazines in my neck of the woods (Seattle metro area) are routinely available for about $26.

Best, Jon

My biggest interest in Magpul Glock mags are their 10 rd mags for the G17 and 19. RI is about to go the way of MA and CT with mags, and I simply don’t trust Glocks 10 rd 17 & 19 mags.

[TGS]

Will Magpul replace or repair defective magazines?

Well they don't answer their webform submissions nor emails direct to the project manager, so.....no. Maybe they have a policy somewhere to stand behind their products, but they don't act on it.

[WobblyPossum]

I dealt with Magpul over some issues I had with a few AR Pmags and they were a pleasure to deal with. I contacted them about the Glock Pmags a few years ago when I first noticed issues and was told I needed to lightly lubricate the inside of the mag bodies. I tried that and it did not fix the issues. I just relegated all my Glock Pmags to range use only and never tried getting back in touch with Magpul.

[JonInWA]

My biggest interest in Magpul Glock mags are their 10 rd mags for the G17 and 19. RI is about to go the way of MA and CT with mags, and I simply don’t trust Glocks 10 rd 17 & 19 mags.

Good points-plus the 10 round .45 ACP G21 magazines require 3 men and a boy to load to full capacity, and even getting to 9 rounds can involve a disproportionate amount of oomph.

Best, Jon

[sandy11B3V5W]

I skimmed through most of this thread and didn't see it mentioned, but has anyone broken the follower on their pmags? I've cracked 3 of the 21 round pmag followers in half. They split in half at the most narrow portion of the follower. Does anyone know if you can buy the followers and springs anywhere?

I mostly use the 21 round pmags for uspsa matches, range practice and dry fire and my observations are pretty much the same as the group. They feed reliably when using brass case ammo, but not so well with steel case. Also, they don't always lock the slide back, but this is mostly due to how I grip the gun.

[noguns]

Do the pmags have to be disassembled to view the crack?

Any pics? Since I've modified my mag bodies I haven't had any malfunctions other than the one I posted earlier.

Estimated 1k to 1.5k exclusively with pmags and 2 gen 3.g19s.

I still carry oem Glock though.

[Bigghoss]

They feed reliably when using brass case ammo, but not so well with steel case.

This has been my experience. At least until they get broken in.

[sandy11B3V5W]

Do the pmags have to be disassembled to view the crack?

Two followers split in half, and made the slide unable to cycle. They came out in pieces. This happened while practicing dry fire and magazine changes. I noticed an additional split follower at a pro-am match. It was partially split, but was protruding past the feed lips of the mag. If I drop that mag on a hard surface now, the follower usually jumps past the feed lips.

My hunch is that if I were to invest in some some dummy rounds for dry practice, it would save the followers some of the abuse of getting slammed in the mag-well while trying to hit a par time for reloads.

[Sackett]

I have 2 gen 3 g19s. One is about a year old from Boresight that runs 10 round (Ca) Magpul mags great. The other is about 11 years old and 99% of the time will not lock back empty with them. Factory mags work normal in the 11 year old model though... :confused:

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Any new thoughts or experiences with these in the flavor of G17 and 10 rounds. I would like a few more for matches to avoid reloading magazines as I stand around. So I would be shooting FMJ and thus HP experiences don't count.

My Glock factory 10 rounds have been fine with FMJ. However, I see the Magpuls at a better price.