Mossberg 590 "Shockwave"

[hufnagel]

Yes, I got one. Today in fact.
No, I haven't shot it yet.
I have put about 80 rounds of dry fire through it with the 12GA snap caps I have.
It actually points very naturally.
Keeping my support arm locked straight and pointing with my thumb parallel to my arm seems to bring it right up on point.
Brass bead front sight just barely peeks over the top of the receiver, which feels to me like it'll be pretty close to on target, as the top of said is higher than the barrel.

Overall I can see how the u-tube crowd seems to shoot it well and quickly. Now whether I need to wear a mouth guard when shooting is a whole different question. :D

(also, they have a 20GA listed on their site, but no one can get it yet. I'm tempted to pick one of those up as well.)

That's it. I'll post up more once I get to shoot it... hopefully soon.

[tanner]

The 20 ga versions of this and the Remington have me veeeery tempted. Looking forward to hearing about them first.

[Bigghoss]

I just heard about the 20ga version. Guess I don't have a use for my spare Raptor grip and 20ga barrel after all.

[willie]

I just now read Mossberg's description of the 20ga version which is a modified 590. I can't handle my 12ga version as well as I like because of arthritis but do like the Shockwave concept. I also like my Governor, which now resides in a bathroom drawer. For me both are weapons for which I'm searching a niche. Hell, I just like guns.

[Bigghoss]

I want a 20ga mostly for fun. I know Federal has a loading in their premium line of #4 for 20ga so that could maybe make this an effective tool. I'm gonna get one eventually for the fun factor and based on how that goes we'll see if it gets used for anything more than S&G. I did buy a bird's head grip made by Speedfeed almost 15 years ago and quickly took it off. Then I stuck it on a 20ga just for fun but I think I only shot it once and it sat in the safe for 7 or 8 years. But that was before I had seen the Clint Smith video on how to use them. Plus my 20ga has a youth fore end that sits much farther back than an normal one. Been trying to locate a 7-and-whatever-inch action tube for the 20ga so I can put magpul furniture on it.

[45dotACP]

I've been considering one in 20ga because giggity

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[shane45]

Got mine last week. At first I thought it was just a range toy but the more I thought about the power to package size ratio, I decided to give it a dance.

[rathos]

I was thinking of getting one, and now that this kit is out from Suarez I think I will definitely pick one up:

shockwave kit (https://suarezinternational.com/mossberg-shockwave-pdw-kit/)

[HeavyDuty]

I was thinking of getting one, and now that this kit is out from Suarez I think I will definitely pick one up:

shockwave kit (https://suarezinternational.com/mossberg-shockwave-pdw-kit/)

Interesting, but I’ll reserve judgement until they post pics mounted on a Shockwave - all the mounted pics are on the Remington.

[Sigfan26]

Interesting, but I’ll reserve judgement until they post pics mounted on a Shockwave - all the mounted pics are on the Remington.
The difference between Remington and Mossberg is that great?


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[That Guy]

The difference between Remington and Mossberg is that great?

Many Mossbergs have a tang mounted safety. Does not work well with pistol grips.

[Screwball]

Suarez was actually the basis for my interest in the Shockwave/TAC-14. They do cater more to the Remington, and posted a few times why... but glad to see them doing both versions. Personally, my money is going elsewhere. Have my reservations, which I won’t go into, but out of everything they sell, the forend strap is the only thing I would consider buying... and going to pick up two Magpul Hand Stop kits to make a little nicer setup for my needs (not a strap that can be caught on stuff). The brace, while I see the use, puts the TAC-14 into a standard pistol grip shotgun length... which the reason I picked it up was the overall length.

I traded for my TAC-14 on Friday.

https://i.imgur.com/TahMkGQ.jpg

Very happy with it. Not a huge Mossberg fan, and sold my JIC 500 a few months back because I didn’t like it. Prefer the controls on the 870.

Was hesitant with picking up a new Remington, but going over it made me a little more accepting of it. Wouldn’t have order one online, being I know my luck...

Was considering taking the dimples out of the magazine tube and adding a +1 extension, but rather just use the gun for a little bit before deciding. I eventually want to have it completely plated (CCR or Robar), but will have the gun setup and enough rounds through it beforehand. I’m heading down to South Carolina for Thanksgiving, and probably taking it with me. Want to shoot it, so maybe I can make it happen down there.

[HeavyDuty]

The difference between Remington and Mossberg is that great?


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The geometry is different enough between them that I’d want to see mounted pics before I drop the coin.

[hufnagel]

The difference between Remington and Mossberg is that great?


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The differences are the same as any mossberg 500/590 as compared to a remington 870, tang vs. cross bolt safety being the usual big one.
shockwave is 5+1, TAC-14 is 4+1.
shockwave has a strap on the fore end to help prevent putting your hand in front of the muzzle during firing.
I haven't had the tang bite into my hand like some people have (hickock45), but then I also knew about it being possible (hickock45, again) so I might have been gripping it harder to prevent it.

basically, which platform do you prefer.

and I did this to mine recently. still need to shoot it like this to see what I think.

http://manybrightdots.com/twg/cache/sota/Firearms/20271021%2520shockwave/DSC_0047.JPG.small.jpg

[hufnagel]

I was thinking of getting one, and now that this kit is out from Suarez I think I will definitely pick one up:

shockwave kit (https://suarezinternational.com/mossberg-shockwave-pdw-kit/)

I'd be very wary and careful about this. The shockwave dropped into a very narrow and specific set of rules. I'm looking now for the doc I saved.

[jetfire]

I'd be very wary and careful about this. The shockwave dropped into a very narrow and specific set of rules. I'm looking now for the doc I saved.

As I said elsewhere, stuff like this is what caused the ATF to to issue a "THOU SHALT NOT SHOULDER" ruling in the first place.

[willie]

Having shot the Shockwave 125 times, I put it in the same category of pg shotguns that I've enjoyed shooting: interesting indeed. But hard as I try, I can't define a niche for these. So what do I use them for? I keep one in my sock drawer. Yes, I have a large sock drawer. No offense intended to hufnagel, but his Shockwave with the red dot sight looks as silly as does my S&W Governor, which looks silly and is silly and makes me feel silly.:)

[hufnagel]

oh i don't disagree it looks silly. I just want to see if it makes it easier to hit things :D
it's totally an experiment, since as you said it's hard to define WHAT this thing is exactly good for (although I have my ideas.)

[willie]

Agreed. I suggest Federal low recoil buckshot available online. It's gentle in the Shockwave. So are some varieties of Win AA target loads. One is designated low recoil and I think "low report".

[rathos]

Not entirely true. What caused the ATF ruling was all of the idiots writing letters asking, "Can I shoulder this?"


As I said elsewhere, stuff like this is what caused the ATF to to issue a "THOU SHALT NOT SHOULDER" ruling in the first place.

[willie]

Today at my lgs I swapped my 12ga Shockwave for the lighter, handier 20 ga version. Motivation was curiosity about this engineered down 20 ga 590. I assumed that because it's a new design, then these specimens would be made with new tooling. Cursory examination shows crisp lines and a minimum of tool marks. The action is slick and needs no tuning. Weight difference is significant. Of course recoil will be heavy because of its lighter weight. I like it but admit the Shockwave has a hard to define mission.

[rathos]

Just curious if the fact that remington is now releasing a version of their tac-14 with a brace from the factory changes your mind on this...

Tac-14 with factory brace (https://www.facebook.com/remingtonarmscompany/photos/pb.138343036024.-2207520000.1516231286./10155415494871025/?type=3&theater)


I'd be very wary and careful about this. The shockwave dropped into a very narrow and specific set of rules. I'm looking now for the doc I saved.

[hufnagel]

the wood looks nice, but that sling mount looks like something my 10 year old would make out of an old tic tac box.

[Screwball]

They finally do a +1?

[Bigghoss]

Just curious if the fact that remington is now releasing a version of their tac-14 with a brace from the factory changes your mind on this...

Tac-14 with factory brace (https://www.facebook.com/remingtonarmscompany/photos/pb.138343036024.-2207520000.1516231286./10155415494871025/?type=3&theater)

Now that is tempting.

Serbu is going to be releasing a version on the Super Shorty with a brace making it a non-NFA firearm.

[rathos]

Wouldn't Serbu have to make a longer barrel than they normally do? The super shorty would still be considered an AOW due to the size even with a brace. Not sure it would be worth the extra scratch just to have Serbu's name on it when I can get the same thing from the factory.



Now that is tempting.

Serbu is going to be releasing a version on the Super Shorty with a brace making it a non-NFA firearm.

[03RN]

The hardwood model looks nice:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/253a30d763726ae1733202bbc20e24e7.jpg

:)

That does look nice. Hope Mossberg offers a wood stocked one.

Mine
23055

[Bigghoss]

The brace counts towards the OAL so the barrel can be shorter.

[SJC3081]

I just bought a Shockwave 12 gauge. I fired three rounds of 2.75 one ounce slugs, aimed fire. It was brutal. I'm concerned the recoil is so fierce that it will make the gun not useable.
To add fired five rounds of full power 00 buck, much more manageable. I'm going to have to train with this gun completely diffence manual of arms compared to other styles of guns.

[Sigfan26]

I just bought a Shockwave 12 gauge. I fired three rounds of 2.75 one ounce slugs, aimed fire. It was brutal. I'm concerned the recoil is so fierce that it will make the gun not useable.
To add fired five rounds of full power 00 buck, much more manageable. I'm going to have to train with this gun completely diffence manual of arms compared to other styles of guns.

S&B buckshot and Spartan Buckshot are pretty tame.

[03RN]

I just bought a Shockwave 12 gauge. I fired three rounds of 2.75 one ounce slugs, aimed fire. It was brutal. I'm concerned the recoil is so fierce that it will make the gun not useable.
To add fired five rounds of full power 00 buck, much more manageable. I'm going to have to train with this gun completely diffence manual of arms compared to other styles of guns.


https://youtu.be/cjBLuTwT6mM

Not trying to be disrespectful.

One thing I've noticed in a lot of great shooters is that their grip is surprisingly strong for their size. When you are shooting fast, or heavy recoiling guns I find grip strength and aggressiveness helps in management of recoil.

Depending on your age and fitness level I would recommend starting to deadlift. Not only will it work on your grip, it strengthens everything else as well from your shoulders to your calves.

I understand that Jerry Miculek is probably not a powerlifter in his spare time but he has decades of shooting everyday.

[eb07]

I love mine. Did some stippling to her.Really helps when I start sweating after an extended outdoor range session. Removed the stupid strap. Already have over 300 00 and 4 buck rounds through her with a few slugs for good measure. Apparently I have a love for 5 shots with 4 round backups in both my personal defense and home defense weapons :o



https://preview.ibb.co/k2huXn/IMG_20180308_123246_376.jpg (https://ibb.co/cZA3Q7)

https://preview.ibb.co/kLvysn/IMG_20180308_123135_354.jpg (https://ibb.co/nsVWCn)

https://preview.ibb.co/dUQL57/IMG_20180308_123141_081.jpg (https://ibb.co/cLzf57)

https://preview.ibb.co/nCQRdS/IMG_20180308_124538_483.jpg (https://ibb.co/kX7uXn)

I do not find the sight too low or an issue nor does she shoot high. I was shooting a little left in the beginning until I started getting it straightened out. Just gettng it out in front of me and focusing on the barrel instead of the sight gets her on target fast. This was my first day out pattern testing with Federal Tactical 00 and Brenneke Slugs. The slug was aimed at the head aquare. Everything else at the COM square.

https://preview.ibb.co/gDo9Xn/fed.jpg (https://ibb.co/ffDbCn)

[03RN]

https://youtu.be/ZqOWK2yVtGo

I am pleasantly surprised at the cheap suprema buck shot from Walmart. It's not flight control but it's patterns are consistent and even.

[SJC3081]

I just finished a range session with the Shockwave 12. Low recoil filte control and Suprema 00 2.75 were used, 35 rounds fired much more manageable. Now I'm happy and really like the gun. It shoots a foot high at 25yards, belly button hold from now on.