.224 Valkyrie?

[45dotACP]

Looks like federal is putting out some .224 hotrod set up to run 90gr projectiles from an AR 15...supersonic past 1,000 yards? Rifles to be made by a fair number of manufacturers.

Thoughts?

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[OlongJohnson]

Sounds like capitalizing on Harrison Beene's work.

Grendel necked down:
http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?68825-224-Predator

6.8 necked down and shortened a hair:
http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?55599-5-56-x-42

[ranger]

Yes, I am active on the 6.8 (and Grendel) forums and have seen discussions of 6.8 and 6.5G wildcats in 22 - that was my first thought also, the ARP barrels in 22 wildcats.

[MSparks909]

Watched Federal's product video this morning. Seems very interesting. Will be following.

[Mike C]

Watched Federal's product video this morning. Seems very interesting. Will be following.

It definitely looks interesting. It will be more interesting though to see how quickly/or not industry support follows.

[Grouse870]

I think this looks better than the .22 Nosler. I’m interested in it I’d like to see what guns are initially offered. I’ve seen the list of who’s making guns but nothing on the websites yet. I’m curious to see if the 6.8 spc ii has a resurgence since this is 2 new calibers based on its case

[TGS]

What realistic capability does this give you over a 5.56 or the popular 6.XXmm offerings?

[MSparks909]

What realistic capability does this give you over a 5.56 or the popular 6.XXmm offerings?

Read this article today. Good info inside:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/06/ar-15s-creedmoor-224-valkyrie-vs-22-nosler-6-5-grendel-modern-intermediate-calibers-025/amp/

[45dotACP]

It definitely looks interesting. It will be more interesting though to see how quickly/or not industry support follows.Federal has been doing some cool stuff...not the least of which is USPSA specific ammo to make power factor...but this new .224 with a 90gr projectile just seems rad.

I hope reloading dies/brass follow

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[TGS]

Read this article today. Good info inside:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/06/ar-15s-creedmoor-224-valkyrie-vs-22-nosler-6-5-grendel-modern-intermediate-calibers-025/amp/

Thanks, good article. Unfortunately it's just data.

I guess I could try re-wording the question: what is the practical application for the 224 Valk where another mainstream (or at least established) cartridge can do the same thing? It's got a cartridge beat on velocity by 200 meters....okay, what does that actually mean for anything other than a gun-nerd's oogie-cookie? If you're trying to extend the range of the 5.56, there's already cartridges that do that (and better, from what I see).

[jeep45238]

Thanks, good article. Unfortunately it's just data.

I guess I could try re-wording the question: what is the practical application for the 224 Valk where another mainstream (or at least established) cartridge can do the same thing? It's got a cartridge beat on velocity by 200 meters....okay, what does that actually mean for anything other than a gun-nerd's oogie-cookie? If you're trying to extend the range of the 5.56, there's already cartridges that do that (and better, from what I see).

Which ones do a better job to push the AR past 1000 with factory ammo? If this offers more on the table and less drift at distance than the 6.5G, for ringing steel far away my interest has been pinged.

[45dotACP]

Thanks, good article. Unfortunately it's just data.

I guess I could try re-wording the question: what is the practical application for the 224 Valk where another mainstream (or at least established) cartridge can do the same thing? It's got a cartridge beat on velocity by 200 meters....okay, what does that actually mean for anything other than a gun-nerd's oogie-cookie? If you're trying to extend the range of the 5.56, there's already cartridges that do that (and better, from what I see).

Solely in the "oogie cookie" camp here ;)

Is there another .224 caliber ar-15 friendly cartridge that outperforms the 6.5grendel?

The appeal to this IMO is that it makes use of a VLD .224 projectile and beats the 6.5G at it's own game in every respect but retained energy. I'd have thought less drop less drift and more speed would have been a Good Thing(TM)

But if there's a cartridge that extends the range of the AR even more effectively I'd think that's pretty cool too.

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[P.E. Kelley]

I just got in some engineering samples of Federal 90 grain matchkings. Velocity out of an 18" barrel (all I have at hand)
are...
http://www.multigunmedia.com/img/s1/v56/p2609705347-5.jpg

[littlejerry]

I just got in some engineering samples of Federal 90 grain matchkings. Velocity out of an 18" barrel (all I have at hand)
are...
http://www.multigunmedia.com/img/s1/v56/p2609705347-5.jpg

Hmm. That looks a little slow compared to some of the ads. I was expecting 2700 from a 20". 170fps is a lot to lose in 2 inches.

[P.E. Kelley]

Hmm. That looks a little slow compared to some of the ads. I was expecting 2700 from a 20". 170fps is a lot to lose in 2 inches.

2700 @ 24" is the benchmark. That is about 27fps per inch difference.

[SecondsCount]

2500 FPS is too slow for my taste. It sounds like they are using a slow powder to get those velocities. I wonder what that will do to gas ports?

I like the thought of it as I am a huge 22 caliber fan, having several ARs and a few bolt guns chambered for 223/5.56, and shoot long range with them on a regular basis. The downside of the Valkyrie is what has always kept me from jumping on the 6.5G, 22 Nosler, etc.... I don't want to have to buy specialty parts for my AR, in this case a bolt and magazine. I also don't want to purchase specialty brass or ammo, and don't like having to chase that specialty brass when my AR launches it out into the west desert sage. If I lose a 223 case here or there, no biggie, as people leave it at the range by the bucketloads. If I do a specialty caliber it will be in a bolt gun.

At this point, why not chamber an AR for 6 Creedmoor? I realize that it would have to be one of the larger frame variations but if you are going to get all special with bolts, mags, and brass, why not do it in a caliber that will really perform? The 224V will cost a little less to shoot and has less recoil but the bigger brothers will out shoot it.

[P.E. Kelley]

2500 FPS is too slow for my taste. It sounds like they are using a slow powder to get those velocities. I wonder what that will do to gas ports?

I like the thought of it as I am a huge 22 caliber fan, having several ARs and a few bolt guns chambered for 223/5.56, and shoot long range with them on a regular basis. The downside of the Valkyrie is what has always kept me from jumping on the 6.5G, 22 Nosler, etc.... I don't want to have to buy specialty parts for my AR, in this case a bolt and magazine. I also don't want to purchase specialty brass or ammo, and don't like having to chase that specialty brass when my AR launches it out into the west desert sage. If I lose a 223 case here or there, no biggie, as people leave it at the range by the bucketloads. If I do a specialty caliber it will be in a bolt gun.

At this point, why not chamber an AR for 6 Creedmoor? I realize that it would have to be one of the larger frame variations but if you are going to get all special with bolts, mags, and brass, why not do it in a caliber that will really perform? The 224V will cost a little less to shoot and has less recoil but the bigger brothers will out shoot it.

Lots of cool toys to enjoy. If I could afford to have cars and trucks instead of guns , I would own race vehicles from every sport...why? Because...FUN!

Guns are just cool mechanical tools and I don't need to "justify" or am I concerned about specialty parts, ammo and such and such. 44AMP's Wildey's and Webley's all subject to breakage without
ready parts availably, yet I shoot them.

I DO understand your thinking for sure and for you it is the way.

Oh and my calculations have the 2530+ from an 18" with a 90 in the pretty sporty category...for such a short barrel gasser. We are seeing some with the 22" Turn Bolts hitting 2700.
I don't know why the 18" was the first one sent to me, as a 20" at least, or better yet
a 22" would have made more sense. But, I just test, tune and report. The Marketplace will decide on this new offerings merit.

[SecondsCount]

No argument here. I just don't have the time at this point in my life to play with a bunch of different calibers, or maybe I just like seeing what I can do with what I already have.

It looks like a fun caliber for sure :cool:

[P.E. Kelley]

https://youtu.be/611r_YpN32M