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echo5charlie
10-13-2017, 10:06 AM
Interesting. Having not Googled my recollections, I thought .40 CD didn't fare so well in testing...

http://www.tactical-life.com/news/fbi-hornady-critical-duty-ammo-contract/#fbi-hornady-critical-duty-3
oldtexan
10-13-2017, 10:38 AM
Interesting. Having not Googled my recollections, I thought .40 CD didn't fare so well in testing...

http://www.tactical-life.com/news/fbi-hornady-critical-duty-ammo-contract/#fbi-hornady-critical-duty-3

Since the FBI is moving to 9mm handguns for general issue, is this contract for .40 intended to cover the transition period until the G17M/G19M fielding is complete, or will this .40 ammo meet a different requirement?
DocGKR
10-13-2017, 12:57 PM
Hornady Critical Duty is extremely consistent through the FBI test protocol and likely meets their needs very well--while there are loads that offer more optimum expansion or penetration characteristics, there are far fewer that are as consistent through all the barriers...
echo5charlie
10-13-2017, 02:03 PM
Hornady Critical Duty is extremely consistent through the FBI test protocol and likely meets their needs very well--while there are loads that offer more optimum expansion or penetration characteristics, there are far fewer that are as consistent through all the barriers...

Thanks Doc!
mark7
10-13-2017, 02:52 PM
Doesn't the FBI have 40 cal MP5s??
HCM
10-13-2017, 02:53 PM
Since the FBI is moving to 9mm handguns for general issue, is this contract for .40 intended to cover the transition period until the G17M/G19M fielding is complete, or will this .40 ammo meet a different requirement?

The FBI has thousands of Agents spread across the country and the world. There are thousands of both issued and personally owned .40 cal Glocks in service. It not like transitioning a PD with 100 officers.

The switch to 9mm will be incremental and it will take at least a few years before even the issued 40's are swapped out.
Lon
10-13-2017, 03:06 PM
Doesn't the FBI have 40 cal MP5s??

The ones I saw were 10mm magic death rays. But that’s been a while ago.
HCM
10-13-2017, 03:40 PM
Doesn't the FBI have 40 cal MP5s??

10mm but most have been pulled from service and replaced with 11.5" M4's.
HCM
10-13-2017, 03:41 PM
Doesn't the FBI have 40 cal MP5s??.

Double tap
John Hearne
10-13-2017, 03:50 PM
The way the contract works, is that there are multiple vendors for each type of ammo. IIRC, there are four categories of 9mm and 40 S&W - duty, training (FMJ), reduced lead, and frangible. Each category has at least two offerings from two different manufacturers. The last time I looked at the 40 contract, there were four duty offerings - 165 or 180 grain JHP's from two different vendors. Which one you buy is up to you and how much you want to pay. I suspect that if Hornady is the cheapest duty offering they will sell a lot, if they are a premium offering, not so much. FWIW, Hornady was already on the 9mm contract as a provider of frangible ammo.
45dotACP
10-13-2017, 05:19 PM
Not sure how selling to .gov folks go but for me, 135gr Critical Duty is cheaper than most Federal or Winchester options...

I'm a huge fan of it for how accurate it is too.

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Default.mp3
10-13-2017, 05:58 PM
Having not Googled my recollections, I thought .40 CD didn't fare so well in testing...Don't forget that Critical Duty is not the same as Critical Defense.
echo5charlie
10-13-2017, 06:59 PM
Don't forget that Critical Duty is not the same as Critical Defense.

I’m fully aware.


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El Cid
10-13-2017, 07:35 PM
Doesn't the FBI have 40 cal MP5s??


10mm but most have been pulled from service and replaced with 11.5" M4's.

Exactly. Though several years ago they bought some Rock River AR pattern carbines in 40 to test. Proprietary and unproven mags seem to be what worried most of them from what I remember. Thankfully that idea never gained any momentum.

ETA: I do find it interesting that the Speer G2 in 40 didn't get the contract. I know they tested it.