N. Korea Hacks War Plans [Archive]

Grey

10-10-2017, 09:57 AM

I suspect our plans have changed since then...There appears to be a lot more information than Just the war plans. Major fuckup.

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Kirk

10-10-2017, 09:57 AM

I know often times the narrative is that we get hacked often/incompetence, but I have a suspicion that they were allowed to "hack" outdated war plans. I'm also reminded of the numerous times in various sports where I knew what my opponent was going to do, but couldn't stop it 😂

SamAdams

10-10-2017, 09:59 AM

These independent analysts say the Norks likely already have the capability to strike the continental U.S. with a nuke -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-05/decoders-offer-dire-warnings-about-north-koreas-nuclear-program

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Hambo

10-10-2017, 10:10 AM

How much can you really change plans for a peninsular war? I'm seeing a 21st century repeat of 1950.

blues

10-10-2017, 10:10 AM

I know often times the narrative is that we get hacked often/incompetence, but I have a suspicion that they were allowed to "hack" outdated war plans.

Kind of like when "Chicolini" in "Duck Soup" sold a "code and two pairs of plans" to the enemies of Fredonia. :rolleyes:

Kirk

10-10-2017, 10:25 AM

Kind of like when "Chicolini" in "Duck Soup" sold a "code and two pairs of plans" to the enemies of Fredonia. :rolleyes:

Lol I have no clue what reference that is. I do find it hard to believe that we would be incompetent enough to allow NK to hack our current "war plans." If so, wow.

blues

10-10-2017, 10:27 AM

Lol I have no clue what reference that is. I do find it hard to believe that we would be incompetent enough to allow NK to hack our current "war plans." If so, wow.

https://youtu.be/yyeKYQdYISg

Grey

10-10-2017, 10:32 AM

Lol I have no clue what reference that is. I do find it hard to believe that we would be incompetent enough to allow NK to hack our current "war plans." If so, wow.Uhhh... Were incompetent enough to give out PII of 143 million Americans, you'd be surprised how clueless the gov is with cybersec.

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And it was stolen from S Korea not the US.

SamAdams

10-10-2017, 10:40 AM

blues

10-10-2017, 10:43 AM

Look at all the Wikileaks releases. Some were particularly embarrassing. I don't doubt that hackers (or sources inside) may be able to get all sorts of information. It's been done many times in the past.

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I keep telling them that the secret is to go back to using Windows 3.1 That'll completely bamboozle the enemy.

Honestly, I don't know how it can be assumed that anything put out on any network is safe from being compromised these days.

Grey

10-10-2017, 10:45 AM

I keep telling them that the secret is to go back to using Windows 3.1 That'll completely bamboozle the enemy.

Honestly, I don't know how it can be assumed that anything put out on any network is safe from being compromised these days.Why that information wasn't housed at a SCIF is beyond me... Yes let's connect our secret document database with the internet............[emoji15]

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spinmove_

10-10-2017, 10:48 AM

I keep telling them that the secret is to go back to using Windows 3.1 That'll completely bamboozle the enemy.

Honestly, I don't know how it can be assumed that anything put out on any network is safe from being compromised these days.

Generally speaking, if it’s on a network and that network has an internet connection, it’s only a matter of time before someone on the outside has it. People are the easiest things to “hack”. Obvious security holes are second. Outdated firmware on edge devices third.

If your stuff is on a network that doesn’t have an internet connection, well, you can still “hack” people.

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blues

10-10-2017, 10:55 AM

Generally speaking, if it’s on a network and that network has an internet connection, it’s only a matter of time before someone on the outside has it. People are the easiest things to “hack”. Obvious security holes are second. Outdated firmware on edge devices third.

If your stuff is on a network that doesn’t have an internet connection, well, you can still “hack” people.

Once again, the Marx Brothers were prepared for that eventuality...

https://youtu.be/lhrjnSyKBYw

SamAdams

10-10-2017, 10:56 AM

And maybe they used some Nork cutie to get pillow talk outta some officer. Who knows.

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Chance

10-10-2017, 01:11 PM

I do find it hard to believe that we would be incompetent enough to allow NK to hack our current "war plans."

Ha. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach)

Fun fact: not the first time this has happened. My father worked at III Corps headquarters in Ft. Hood for decades. In the late '90s, they "lost" a computer hard drive that had the invasion plans for North Korea on them. Dad, and everyone else who had access/clearance to the building, was called back into work that evening. After spending the entire night searching every nook and cranny for the thing, they found the hard drive behind a printer, if I recall correctly.

Information security for the win.

SamAdams

10-10-2017, 01:24 PM

Back in the day, we used to say - " The Navy was designed by geniuses, to be run by idiots. "

There's always that human fuk up factor.

SAWBONES

10-10-2017, 01:34 PM

Lol I have no clue what reference that is. I do find it hard to believe that we would be incompetent enough to allow NK to hack our current "war plans." If so, wow.

I suppose one must be of a "certain age" nowadays to be familiar with the Marx Brothers. :cool:

NEPAKevin

10-10-2017, 01:36 PM

I'm no expert but would put money on Nork hakers = Chinese cyber-warfare.

blues

10-10-2017, 02:24 PM

I suppose one must be of a "certain age" nowadays to be familiar with the Marx Brothers. :cool:

What a polite way of saying an "old fuck". Much obliged. :cool:

Chance

10-10-2017, 02:33 PM

What a polite way of saying an "old fuck". Much obliged. :cool:

IMDb says Duck Soup (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023969/) came out in 1933. If my math is correct, you're a 137 years old.

(Hopefully, the age reference is clear to anyone born since the invention of fire.)

blues

10-10-2017, 02:36 PM

IMDb says Duck Soup (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023969/) came out in 1933. If my math is correct, you're a 137 years old.

(Hopefully, the age reference is clear to anyone born since the invention of fire.)

They wrote a song about me...wanna hear it? Here it goes...

https://youtu.be/uxOlPo_D_Uw

Wake27

10-10-2017, 02:44 PM

How much can you really change plans for a peninsular war? I'm seeing a 21st century repeat of 1950.

You'd be surprised. Pretty much everything but the geography has changed since then.

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Chance

10-10-2017, 02:59 PM

They wrote a song about me...wanna hear it? Here it goes...

https://youtu.be/uxOlPo_D_Uw

I didn't listen to the song, but the title alone deeply upsets me.

I was talking about this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1). A vestige of an age when political incorrectness was funny.

blues

10-10-2017, 03:07 PM

I didn't listen to the song, but the title alone deeply upsets me.

I was talking about this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1). A vestige of an age when political incorrectness was funny.

I remember it well. (You can add pretty much anything by Mel Brooks to the list of funny and politically incorrect.)

Oh, and the song is actually pretty catchy. Give it a listen.

Chance

10-10-2017, 03:26 PM

I remember it well. (You can add pretty much anything by Mel Brooks to the list of funny and politically incorrect.)

I double-over every time I watch 'Blazing Saddles.' That's how America is supposed to work: everyone is offended equally.

https://youtu.be/493pL_Vbtnc

If you can't laugh at that, you're a communist.

Chance

10-10-2017, 03:48 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RbYqZnFvE

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Glenn E. Meyer

10-10-2017, 04:12 PM

War plan:

It's HUUUGE. HUUUUUUGEEE Bomb! Drop HUUUUUUUGEEEE Bombs!

Drang

10-10-2017, 05:26 PM

You'd be surprised. Pretty much everything but the geography has changed since then.
Some of the geography has changed, too. Hill 321 at the mouth of the Chorwon Valley used to be Hill 500, but it was shelled by both sides so many times that it "melted away", thus the ROK Army's name for it, Ice Cream Hill.

Wondering Beard

10-10-2017, 05:48 PM

How much can you really change plans for a peninsular war? I'm seeing a 21st century repeat of 1950.

At first I thought "you got the wrong dates here, you mean the 1810s for the Peninsula War", then I remembered what this thread was about.

I'm getting old.

OlongJohnson

10-10-2017, 07:12 PM

Always bet on stupid and careless, if that's sufficient explanation.

However, there might be some strategic value in getting "D"PRK to think seriously about the devastation that would be unleashed on them in the event of an actual shooting war.

Greg

10-10-2017, 08:50 PM

Maybe the South Koreans run Kaspersky anti-virus.

That stuff has long been viewed as Russian spyware.

Oukaapie

10-10-2017, 09:02 PM

Air, Sea, Land, Cyber. We have a new battle ground. To lose the odd skirmish is to be expected. The North Koreans are very capable.

SeriousStudent

10-10-2017, 09:59 PM

Air, Sea, Land, Cyber. We have a new battle ground. To lose the odd skirmish is to be expected. The North Koreans are very capable.

Indeed. Just ask Sony.

Hambo

10-11-2017, 06:20 AM

You'd be surprised. Pretty much everything but the geography has changed since then.

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Hand over my eyes, let me guess...Norks launch massive artillery and rocket strikes into S. Korea followed by their best lightning war ground offensive. ROK-US troops try to hold the line.

No doubt the ROK-US troops are better equipped to handle such an attack than they were in 1950, but the grand strategy really doesn't change whether it's Korea, Vietnam, or Florida.

NEPAKevin

10-11-2017, 02:02 PM

At first I thought "you got the wrong dates here, you mean the 1810s for the Peninsula War", then I remembered what this thread was about.

I'm getting old.

Read "Peninsula War" and the first thing that came to mind was a French column meeting a line of redcoats. Which, now that I think about it, has some similarity with the human wave attacks of the Korean war.

Drang

10-16-2017, 07:42 PM

The Book Mattis Reads to Be Prepared for War With North Korea - POLITICO Magazine (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/15/the-book-mattis-reads-to-be-prepared-for-war-with-north-korea-215712?cid=apn)

Answer: AmazonSmile: This Kind of War: The Classic Military History of the Korean War eBook: T. R. Fehrenbach: Books (https://smile.amazon.com/This-Kind-War-Classic-Military-ebook/dp/B00J3EU6IK/ref=la_B001IQZN0W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508200956&sr=1-1)

SeriousStudent

10-16-2017, 07:56 PM

I would politely offer that all of Fehrenbach's books belong in your library. Wayne Dobbs recommended years ago that I begin reading his work, and it has been very worthwhile.