Reduced Recoil...why?

[Unobtanium]

I bought some Remington Sluggers, LE ammunition. Reduced recoil, and normal. That is the same 1oz slug, allegedly at 1200fps, and at 1560fps. (I say allegedly, as I have not chronographed them yet).

I staggered them in the mag tube, and couldn't tell the difference. I was shooting a Benelli Super Nova Tactical with a Limbsaver OEM fit replacement pad.

Literally could not tell which round I was firing. I can tell the difference between 75gr Gold Dot and 55gr Gold Dot from an M4 carbine. COULD NOT tell between these two slugs.

What's the point in reduced recoil? Is this a normal finding "at this recoil level"? Is the limbsaver blunting the heavier kick better as it deforms more, and the same feeling impulse reaches me? What's up?

[Lon]

I can tell the difference when i shoot a reduced recoil vs. a normal slug. I don’t do limbsavers. Could be the difference.

[Lester Polfus]

I can tell the difference when i shoot a reduced recoil vs. a normal slug. I don’t do limbsavers. Could be the difference.

Ditto.

[RevolverRob]

Push-pull or just pull?

I've found no difference in low recoil ammo running push-pull as my shotgun method. Straight up pulling the gun into the shoulder? I can tell the difference.

As to why - this is a question I ask myself a lot, and I can only think of the value if you're running a pull-type method and or have recoil shy folks. In a semi-auto, reduced recoil reduces recoil and makes it faster to run the gun unless said semi needs full power loads to run properly. Although, I've not found a gun yet that wouldn't cycle low-recoil buck/slugs that would cycle high-brass birdshot. So, if high brass bird cycles the gun then low power buck and slugs should (at least in my experience).

[Unobtanium]

Push-pull or just pull?

I've found no difference in low recoil ammo running push-pull as my shotgun method. Straight up pulling the gun into the shoulder? I can tell the difference.

As to why - this is a question I ask myself a lot, and I can only think of the value if you're running a pull-type method and or have recoil shy folks. In a semi-auto, reduced recoil reduces recoil and makes it faster to run the gun unless said semi needs full power loads to run properly. Although, I've not found a gun yet that wouldn't cycle low-recoil buck/slugs that would cycle high-brass birdshot. So, if high brass bird cycles the gun then low power buck and slugs should (at least in my experience).

I used no specific technique. I held the weapon rather loosely, if anything, although in solid contact with my shoulder. I was just testing patterns, and didn't even bother with an aggressive stance or push-pull or any of the other "proper" methods. It could have been a .22 for all I cared.

[45dotACP]

I can typically tell the difference.

The stock's texture on my Stoeger M3k will slice my finger with full power slugs or buck.

Reduced recoil=no slicey finger

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[Hambo]

Shoot several reduced recoil first and then Sluggers.

What's the point of reduced recoil? Back in the '90's Federal came out with reduced recoil 00 and slugs. Reduced loads killed bad guys and didn't beat up officers using pump guns.

[GJM]

There is probably a psychological benefit for recoil sensitive folks.

[Screwball]

There is probably a psychological benefit for recoil sensitive folks.

There always is a part to that... for all the years I’ve shot my .44 Magnum 629-1, people would say they would never shoot that gun. Or that it scares them. But I started shooting it at 12. The only problem I’ve ever had was unburnt powder hitting me in the face... and not to the point I ever stopped shooting.

I load my Ithaca 37 up with Remington Reduced Recoil 00. That is mainly because my girlfriend would use it in a home defense role. While I know she could handle the PDX1 in my 870 Police, I wouldn’t get her to train on it as much, if that is what she shot. High recoiling guns are not fun to shoot... so training is dreaded. There is a recoil difference between it and standard Remington 00, but performance wise, you aren’t going to see a difference within 15 yards (max range she would have to shoot within the house).

When someone is all amped up on adrenaline, sure... recoil isn’t that big of a factor. But need to still train on the gun, which is where low recoil shines. I just don’t see the benefit to pattern both, and if there is a difference between the two, have to get past that.

[willie]

I've fired several 100 12 gauge buckshot and slug shotgun shells. Also, I've shot Hornady, Remington, and Federal low recoil buckshot shells and Federal's low recoil slug rounds. In a light weight 18 inch barrel weapon like the 870, I noticed a big difference between regular and reduced loads.

A regular 2 3/4" 12 ga buckshot shell has 9 pellets. The so called 2 3/4" magnum version has 12 pellets. The extra weight of 3 additional pellets significantly increases recoil. Low recoil 00 buckshot typically has 8 pellets. About slug ammo, I've seen some 12 ga rounds loaded with 1 1/4 oz slugs, a big increase in projectile weight. Typically the weight is 1 oz.

Low recoil buckshot permits faster follow up shots in lightweight pump shotguns. My opinion is that its use might reduce shooter error like short stroking. I can explain this statement but not briefly. For women and anyone else of smaller statue it may be a better choice. The fact that low recoil rounds have 8 pellets and not 9 or 12 contributes to tighter patterns. Less deformation from pellets "bumping" into each other upon firing and during the trip down the barrel is the reason.

I have access to rural land for shooting. When standing up on a high bank of a wide river and shooting at a stump 60 yards away and using various buckshot offerings, I can readily(and unscientifically)state that Federal Flite Control low recoil buckshot maintains pattern integrity. The difference between it and regular loads found in box stores is fantastic. Yes, I've shot my share of patterns on paper with the same observations.

I see no disadvantage in using the low recoil offerings. At shotgun ranges, I think that lethality would be the same.

[HCM]

I bought some Remington Sluggers, LE ammunition. Reduced recoil, and normal. That is the same 1oz slug, allegedly at 1200fps, and at 1560fps. (I say allegedly, as I have not chronographed them yet).

I staggered them in the mag tube, and couldn't tell the difference. I was shooting a Benelli Super Nova Tactical with a Limbsaver OEM fit replacement pad.

Literally could not tell which round I was firing. I can tell the difference between 75gr Gold Dot and 55gr Gold Dot from an M4 carbine. COULD NOT tell between these two slugs.

What's the point in reduced recoil? Is this a normal finding "at this recoil level"? Is the limbsaver blunting the heavier kick better as it deforms more, and the same feeling impulse reaches me? What's up?

These loads exist for non gun people in LE agencies who occasionally have to fire shotguns. They are normally running pump guns with stocks which are too long and most are not taught "push-pull."

I prefer full power slugs for duty but I can tell the difference between full power and reduced recoil slugs in an 870. The OP is running a a heavier gun which is also a gas operated semi auto - both factors in mitigating recoil.

[Unobtanium]

These loads exist for non gun people in LE agencies who occasionally have to fire shotguns. They are normally running pump guns with stocks which are too long and most are not taught "push-pull."

I prefer full power slugs for duty but I can tell the difference between full power and reduced recoil slugs in an 870. The OP is running a a heavier gun which is also a gas operated semi auto - both factors in mitigating recoil.

I was running them out of my Supernova. Out of my M1014, I actually can tell, the pump? No. Weird.

[BigT]

I find the SuperNova super soft shooting.

I run a RC reduced power slug for matches and would be happy to use it defensively. 28gram load(I think thats on ounce?) that runs 1170-1200. Feels like shooting 28gram birdshot, noticeably easier to run in stages, and especially from compromised positions.

[Unobtanium]

I find the SuperNova super soft shooting.

I run a RC reduced power slug for matches and would be happy to use it defensively. 28gram load(I think thats on ounce?) that runs 1170-1200. Feels like shooting 28gram birdshot, noticeably easier to run in stages, and especially from compromised positions.

Maybe it has to do with the polymer/steel construction. I wonder if the gun "flexes" under recoil to mitigate some of it?

[Tabasco]

One benefit of reduced recoil (besides turning my 12ga from a headache machine into a fun shooter) is that the patterns tend to be tighter, and foster slugs are less prone to turning into lead doughnuts and penetrate deeper (as seen on YouTube). Even with Flitecontrol, the 9 pellet loads are tighter in the low recoil version than the full power version. I have a few boxes of the Vital Shok full power Flitecontrol that managed to get into my range bag, and noticed the patterns were larger and more erratic than with the "Personal Defense" or LE132 version. Note that the Federal "Deep Penetrator" slug is a "low recoil" load compared to the Vital Shock, even though it does not state it on the box (1350FPS vs. 1600FPS 1 oz. slug).

[peterb]

As a physically small middle-aged guy who rarely shoots a shotgun with anything heavier than clay target loads, I can feel a difference. Larger/stronger/better shooters may not.

Perception of recoil is subjective, but the muzzle energy numbers indicate that there really should be less recoil. Works for me.

[Jeep]

The older you get the more you will appreciate reduced recoil loads.

[Unobtanium]

Just looking for a bit more data, as hunting season rolls around again. I shot a deer last year with a Federal DPRS. Results sucked. Deer ran 125+ yards, slug hit the heart, lung, and frontal part of stomach (was an angling shot). I was pretty unimpressed especially with the lung-tissue damage.

Obviously a poor slug for use on deer, I know now, but should I move to a LR Truball (regular lead slug), or the Truball full power, or maybe the Fiocchi full power? What about in buckshot? Is there a difference noticed in the morgue/at hunting camp, or in the field/on the street in reaction to the hit? Does it matter? Is Low-recoil the participation trophy of shotguns, or is it like running 87 octane in the new Mustang GT where it costs you like 15 horsepower but saves you 50 cents a gallon?

[GuanoLoco]

Maybe it has to do with the polymer/steel construction. I wonder if the gun "flexes" under recoil to mitigate some of it?

My non-Tactical SuperNova with the ConfortTech stock, longer barrel and magextension (adds weight) definitely flexes by design I believe and is quite comfortable to shoot.

[TGS]

Just looking for a bit more data, as hunting season rolls around again. I shot a deer last year with a Federal DPRS. Results sucked. Deer ran 125+ yards, slug hit the heart, lung, and frontal part of stomach (was an angling shot). I was pretty unimpressed especially with the lung-tissue damage.

Obviously a poor slug for use on deer, I know now, but should I move to a LR Truball (regular lead slug), or the Truball full power, or maybe the Fiocchi full power? What about in buckshot? Is there a difference noticed in the morgue/at hunting camp, or in the field/on the street in reaction to the hit? Does it matter? Is Low-recoil the participation trophy of shotguns, or is it like running 87 octane in the new Mustang GT where it costs you like 15 horsepower but saves you 50 cents a gallon?

Full power Foster slugs will destroy more meat than a reduced recoil slug because they will expand more than the reduced recoil versions.

With that said, I'd use whichever Foster slug tends to shoot more accurately/true to POA in your gun. So if I were you, I'd buy a couple boxes of each and go try them all out to compare. When I was growing up in NJ, I seem to remember dedicated rifled slug barrels with sabots being the most popular way to harvest white tail....I went the muzzle loader route instead.

[psalms144.1]

As many others have said, try shooting them out of a 10" Mossy 500 with the crappy factory stock, and you'll notice the difference!

Our issued ammo is full house slugs and full house 00 buck, and no matter how much push/pull you apply on the gun, they are NOT fun to shoot through our short barreled shotguns...

[Unobtanium]

Full power Foster slugs will destroy more meat than a reduced recoil slug because they will expand more than the reduced recoil versions.

With that said, I'd use whichever Foster slug tends to shoot more accurately/true to POA in your gun. So if I were you, I'd buy a couple boxes of each and go try them all out to compare. When I was growing up in NJ, I seem to remember dedicated rifled slug barrels with sabots being the most popular way to harvest white tail....I went the muzzle loader route instead.

I've tried most everything, but the Fiocchi full power. I have some of those coming in this week. So far the Truball LR is the best, will see.


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