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Screwball
09-20-2017, 12:51 PM
I picked up one of your blem SCDs to use on my Glock 30S. For the price, figured it was definitely worth to try out. However, I have my entire Glock done in CPII (by CCR), which is along the lines of NP3. Saving some coin on something Iíd probably have refinished. I have battery acid sweat, so even though it is stainless and black oxide finish, I prefer to be proactive with rust prevention. Not to mention, it would match the rest of the gun.

Anyways, I looked at it quickly, and it looks like a roll pin holding it together. Any issue knocking that pin out to plate the two pieces separately? It is such a simple design that I canít see there being a problem, but rather ask those who designed/build it. Had tight tolerance firearms done in these finishes (642-1 done in NP3 Plus, then had a fitted 9mm cylinder done separately), never an issue.

Other than that, I used to be hesitant with the SCD. Not that I had issue with the use, but because wasnít sure on the feedback (working with holstering), and how people would utilize it. Figured it was fixing a problem that normal training would fix. But starting to move into AIWB carry... and rather have the SCD. Iím kind of attached to my right testicle. While describing something on the internet can go either way, actually messing around with it on my Glock really allowed me some idea on how it can be implemented into carry. Even other than AIWB, I like having that heads up that something isnít right with insertion... whether it clothes or brass. Iím pretty good with checking, but like redundancy.

If you ever do go into other platforms, would love a SCD for my older M&Ps (.40 Compact and 5Ē Pro). Other than that, everything else is hammer fired.

Thanks for your time.

taudevgroup
09-21-2017, 12:32 PM
I apologize for the delay responding, I somehow missed this message until now.

There should not be any issue with taking the SCD apart and coating it -- assuming the buildup of the coating isn't so much as to cause interference between the parts when reassembled. The pin is small, and not particularly easy to remove/install.

Screwball
09-21-2017, 04:39 PM
No problem... Tapatalk just went off the deep end with their latest update, so took a little to get on here.

Roger that. Iíll send it over to CCR, and have them see what they can do with it. Plating is pretty thin, so hopefully it works out. Either way, Iíll post the results in case there is any interest. Worst case scenario, I buy another SCD. [emoji41]

Thanks for the reply.

Sigfan26
09-21-2017, 04:50 PM
assuming the buildup of the coating isn't so much as to cause interference between the parts when reassembled.

The various nickel teflon (NP3, etc) coatings I have dealt with from various vendors are .0003"-.0005".

Peally
09-21-2017, 05:40 PM
All the unobtanium will leak out though.

LittleLebowski
09-21-2017, 08:31 PM
All the unobtanium will leak out though.

If you liked Avatard, I’m not sure if we can be bros, bro :(

Peally
09-21-2017, 09:36 PM
If you liked Avatard, I’m not sure if we can be bros, bro :(

Lockheed eggheads were using the term way before that crappy movie ever got made ;)

HopetonBrown
09-21-2017, 10:07 PM
NP3 sucks for a Glock slide, very slick. Don't know if that other coating will be similar

Sigfan26
09-21-2017, 10:27 PM
NP3 sucks for a Glock slide, very slick. Don't know if that other coating will be similar
Lots of folks like to church up the name, but nickel with teflon imbedded is NP3. Nickel Boron is about as slick with a much higher thickness (Per KC Jones who does the finish for WMD, .005"). Any of the nickel based finishes (that provide serious corrosion resistance) will be slick.


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Screwball
09-21-2017, 11:11 PM
NP3 sucks for a Glock slide, very slick. Don't know if that other coating will be similar

Only pistol I had done by Robar was my S&W 642-1, and the 9mm cylinder I sent in later to be matched. Done in NP3 Plus, and along with my two shotguns (870 Police and Ithaca 37; same finish), no issues with slipping off anything plated.

I have a few pistols done with CPII... PX4 (had two done; sold the .45, still have the 9mm), Glock 30S, and Ruger LCP. Never had any issue with slickness. Had magazines and Garand clips done, as well as small parts of a half dozen other firearms (barrels, controls, charging handles, bolts). No issues thus far... and have been using CCR since 2005ish. Started CPII on guns in either 2009 or 2010.

While NP3 and other similar finishes are self-lubricating... it is far from an oiled gun part. Parts that have serrations, like the rear of slides, still function the same. Used the Glock with sweaty hands, and no problem. If I had a grip issue with a CPII coated firearm, Iíd say I probably would have the same issue with the stock finish.

I canít see an issue arising, especially with the serrations on the back of the SCD, but either way, will post about the end result. If it doesnít work out, the plated one will be filed away (looking at the circular filing cabinet next to my desk)... and will order a new SCD (non-blem).

Sigfan26
09-21-2017, 11:24 PM
Only pistol I had done by Robar was my S&W 642-1, and the 9mm cylinder I sent in later to be matched. Done in NP3 Plus, and along with my two shotguns (870 Police and Ithaca 37; same finish), no issues with slipping off anything plated.

I have a few pistols done with CPII... PX4 (had two done; sold the .45, still have the 9mm), Glock 30S, and Ruger LCP. Never had any issue with slickness. Had magazines and Garand clips done, as well as small parts of a half dozen other firearms (barrels, controls, charging handles, bolts). No issues thus far... and have been using CCR since 2005ish. Started CPII on guns in either 2009 or 2010.

While NP3 and other similar finishes are self-lubricating... it is far from an oiled gun part. Parts that have serrations, like the rear of slides, still function the same. Used the Glock with sweaty hands, and no problem. If I had a grip issue with a CPII coated firearm, Iíd say I probably would have the same issue with the stock finish.

I canít see an issue arising, especially with the serrations on the back of the SCD, but either way, will post about the end result. If it doesnít work out, the plated one will be filed away (looking at the circular filing cabinet next to my desk)... and will order a new SCD (non-blem).

CP2 is Nickel Boron (judging by the description on their website). This means coating thickness is most likely closer to .005" (BIG difference from .0005"). Double check to make sure that that thickness is not an issue.


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Screwball
09-21-2017, 11:37 PM
CP2 is Nickel Boron (judging by the description on their website). This means coating thickness is most likely closer to .005" (BIG difference from .0005"). Double check to make sure that that thickness is not an issue.

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Step ahead of you...

Itís been a while since I looked into the technical stuff behind it, but want to say 0.0007Ē or 0.0008Ē was the numbers I remember. Could very well be 0.007Ē or 0.008Ē, but looking to get verification.

HopetonBrown
09-21-2017, 11:46 PM
Robar accidentally did the slide of a Glock in NP3. Makes manipulations more difficult for me.

Sigfan26
09-21-2017, 11:50 PM
Step ahead of you...

Itís been a while since I looked into the technical stuff behind it, but want to say 0.0007Ē or 0.0008Ē was the numbers I remember. Could very well be 0.007Ē or 0.008Ē, but looking to get verification.

KC Jones is the big plating company for Nickel Boron. I'm sorry, but if they quote .005" for thickness (and do a shit load of guns) that is probably the industry standard for the coating. Every nickel teflon coating company quotes .0001-.0005". That is the minimum to the max. The notion that this company could cut that number in half (for the same finish) just isn't possible at the quoted prices. The price difference arises from the environmental fees (Nickel Teflon incurs serious fees due to chemicals used in the process to plate... I know, because I pay them on a regular basis) and the amount of time involved in NP3 coating (27+ hours from start to finish).


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Screwball
09-21-2017, 11:54 PM
That almost certainly wonít be a problem.

Would 0.005Ē be an issue? Figured Iíd ask both sides.

Sigfan26
09-22-2017, 12:09 AM
Would 0.005Ē be an issue? Figured Iíd ask both sides.

I will flat out say I have no clue. I know how it affects parts like slides and barrels, not something like a roll pin in a part. I will say, I would not coat parts in anything that added over .0005" in plating thickness (because NP3 has been shown to be a good coating for firearms over the last couple decades). The fad of eco friendly nickel Boron has come about in the last 5 years. Will it effect a factory Glock slide or Glock barrel? Probably not.


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farscott
09-22-2017, 05:05 AM
Robar accidentally did the slide of a Glock in NP3. Makes manipulations more difficult for me.

After owning and shooting everything from Ruger SP-101 revolvers to Glock pistols to 1911-pattern guns finished in NP3, I agree with this. NP3 shines for internals and for things like the SCD where the user is just applying pressure normal to the finished surface. When using serrations, NP3 makes getting a solid grasp on the slide more difficult. "Colt-style" narrow-pitch 1911 serrations are less impacted by the finish than the wider Glock-style serrations. I believe this is due to the sharper serrations of the 1911, not the pitch. The more the grasping surface shreds skin, the better it is with NP3. Checkered NP3 front straps are awesome, serrated front straps are not so awesome.

The finish build up for NP3 from Robar for firearms is around 0.0005". It can be plated in other thicknesses from about 0.0001" to 0.0050" in accordance with one of the industry (aerospace and automotive) standards. Robar is the firearms facing side while Coating Technologies, Inc. is the mass production aerospace/automotive side of the same business.

Back in the late 1990s, Robar once plated the bore of a P7M8 for me. The pistol was safe to fire as the buildup was minimal, but there is a reason (time drove costs) why Robar does not plate barrel bores now.

I would have no concerns about plating NP3 onto a SCD. I may include a few of the "blems" in my next order and see what happens.

Screwball
09-22-2017, 05:59 AM
It the buildup is 0.005Ē you almost certainly wonít be able to reassemble the parts after they are coated. So yes, 0.005Ē would be an issue.

Thanks for the heads up. Will see what the verdict is from CCR.

LittleLebowski
09-22-2017, 07:33 AM
Lockheed eggheads were using the term way before that crappy movie ever got made ;)

You dodging my question?!

Screwball
11-06-2017, 09:32 PM
Well, figured Iíd update this post, since I got a package from CCR today...

https://i.imgur.com/UV11Qr1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mE8oKCv.jpg

Now, I had a few smaller parts to send in for plating, and since I was busy with a few other things, I sent it with a note. Got it back, and works/fits just like the blem SCD did prior to the plating on my 30S. Didnít get any info on CPII.

Liking the finish, and isnít slippery to the point where use will be questionable. Installed it, went to the gym, and while I was still a little sweaty, I tried activating the SCD (pulling the trigger with thumb on backplate; obviously on a cleared gun). No issues, so Iím happy with it. Even more happy that I didnít have to buy a new SCD. [emoji106]

Screwball
11-06-2017, 09:39 PM
That looks awesome!

Thanks.

Itís hard to get used to. Iím not a big Glock guy, but never was a fan of custom backplates. Just used to the standard plastic one... so this will take a little getting used to.