Glock 46?

[Luger]

Finally, after allmost 40 years, the bavarian state police is looking for a new handgun to replace our old H&K P-7 PSP.
Competitors include the H&K SFP 9 (VP9), the Walther PPQ M3, the SIG P320 Compact and... the Glock 46.
I was stunned, because the technical guidelines for german police handguns require that a pistol must be able to be stripped, without pressing the trigger. Glocks failed to pass this test, so they have allways been restricted for the use by special forces only over here.
I then looked at some pictures of the pistol. To me it looks pretty much like a gen 5 Glock 19, except of a additional device at the end of the slide. I asked a colleague and learned, that this was kind of a decocking lever, to enhance safety for the stripping process of the gun. So now it passes the tests of the technical guideline.

Has anyone additional information about the Glock 46?

[spinmove_]

Last I checked, Glock's model lineup consisted of pistols from 17 to 43. Models 44 and 45 have not yet been released to the public, so I have no idea what a 46 is...


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[WobblyPossum]

I'm not surprised. Glock has historically changed small parts of the design to be compatible with the requirements of large LE/MIL contracts. I'm curious to see this new decocking assembly.

[TheNewbie]

Finally, after allmost 40 years, the bavarian state police is looking for a new handgun to replace our old H&K P-7 PSP.
Competitors include the H&K SFP 9 (VP9), the Walther PPQ M3, the SIG P320 Compact and... the Glock 46.
I was stunned, because the technical guidelines for german police handguns require that a pistol must be able to be stripped, without pressing the trigger. Glocks failed to pass this test, so they have allways been restricted for the use by special forces only over here.
I then looked at some pictures of the pistol. To me it looks pretty much like a gen 5 Glock 19, except of a additional device at the end of the slide. I asked a colleague and learned, that this was kind of a decocking lever, to enhance safety for the stripping process of the gun. So now it passes the tests of the technical guideline.

Has anyone additional information about the Glock 46?


Glad to hear you are getting an upgrade.

What kind of holsters do you use the HK?

Do you have any pics of the 46? This is the first I've heard of it.

[El Cid]

Last I checked, Glock's model lineup consisted of pistols from 17 to 43. Models 44 and 45 have not yet been released to the public, so I have no idea what a 46 is...


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My money is on the MHS guns coming out as 44 and 45.

[psalms144.1]

My money is on the MHS guns coming out as 44 and 45.Exactly! Glock 22 is a .40 S&@W. Glock 40 is a 10mm (close, at least!), so Glock 44 and 45 HAVE TO BE 9mms!

[Luger]

What kind of holsters do you use the HK?

Uncle Mike’s Pro-3 Triple Retention Duty for officers in uniform and the Bianchi Carry Lok82 for plain clothes. The Bianchi may be used by officers in uniform, too.


Are you able to post those pictures?

I`m sorry, but I guess I`m not allowed to do so.

[Billy]

What size is it ? Is it like a Glock 17 or 19 ?

[Super77]

Forget the Glock, tell me about this PPQ M3...

[Luger]

According to Walther it`s a PPQ with a 3,2kg trigger and a magazine release butto, which can be changed from the left to the right side.

[jandbj]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0227313.html

[jandbj]

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[jandbj]

Tom,

Is that a gadget like device on this thing?
Is glock licensing it from you?

[jandbj]

Very beretta-esque locking system.

[Colt191145lover]

Rotating barrel ? Well thats interesting.

[octagon]

Very beretta-esque locking system.

Rotating barrels were used by Colt in the All American 2000 and prior by Steyr 1912.

[Totem Polar]

Whoa, trippy. Following with interest.

[LittleLebowski]

Interesting.

[octagon]

It sure is interesting, maybe even more interesting as it is Glock and some real departures from their standard stuff.

I wonder how much of the new design stuff was dictated by the RFP and how much by functional needs to meet criteria?

I like the longer beavertail and the reshaped trigger could be interesting. The barrel lock up is an interesting choice from a was it needed for trigger pull-less take down,accuracy standard or some other stand point kind of way.

I also found the muzzle velocity a bit surprising if I understand it correctly 409M/S works out to 1341 fps. I wonder how they measure it and what projectile weight.

[JSGlock34]

Wow - fascinating to see the picture with the slide locked back - the difference in barrel angle between the tilting and rotary lock designs.

Also, a return to the old style single recoil spring assembly? Not quite a GEN5/M style frame - no half moon cut out.

[Billy]

It still has the Glock 19 grip length, with 15 rounds magazines. The barrel seems slightly longer than a standard glock 19 barrel. How long is this new barrel ? Or perhaps I'm just mistaken.

[octagon]

It still has the Glock 19 grip length, with 15 rounds magazines. The barrel seems slightly longer than a standard glock 19 barrel. How long is this new barrel ? Or perhaps I'm just mistaken.

It says it is 97mm or 3.818 inches in length

[Billy]

It says it is 97mm or 3.818 inches in length

Thanks !

[octagon]

Here is some more on it.

https://www.dwj.de/magazin/topthema/details/items/brandneue-pistole-glock46.html


And some historical perspective.

https://www.all4shooters.com/de/Shooting/Kurzwaffen/Polizeipistolen-Kurzwaffe/?p=1

To translate if it doesn't auto translate right click and select translate from the drop down box.

[jandbj]

Some google translate...

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[Billy]

So with the 46, Glock wants to take some shares of the German LE market.

BTW, according to the article, the Glock 46 is a law enforcement exclusive for the foreseeable future. But like the M and the MHS, I feel like it may change at some point.

[octagon]

Yes. The German police are looking for new pistols to better address both small and large hand police officers. They also want larger magazine capacity and guns with good grip design,not too light to be a challenge to shoot and not too heavy for times when the officer may have weapon in hand for a longer time. They also considered Sig P320, Walther PPQ and H&K SFP9 in earlier part of evaluating the choices. The H&K P7 M8 production stopped in 2008 and so getting guns for increasing number of officers and spare parts is more challenging. They also want more capacity than 8+1.

In reading between the lines it looks like they are addressing several issues with terrorism being a factor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxbnbojFhto

Select auto translate from menu.

[Kyle Reese]

Very interesting.


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[BigT]

Forget the Glock, tell me about this PPQ M3...


They had had it at IWA

Its a PPQ with a hell of a heavy trigger.

Picked it uo. Pulled trigger once. Put it down.

[Bigghoss]

So with the 46, Glock wants to take some shares of the German LE market.

BTW, according to the article, the Glock 46 is a law enforcement exclusive for the foreseeable future. But like the M and the MHS, I feel like it may change at some point.

Unless the whole project is scrapped, this thing will make it to the commercial market for sure. I'd bet that unless there's some catastrophic design flaw that Glock will try to recoup development costs by selling them commercially even if they don't get adopted because they know people will go nuts for anything Glock. I mean, I'm already kinda hoping they do.

[jandbj]

I think I may have broken the internet with those pics. ;)

[Billy]

Unless the whole project is scrapped, this thing will make it to the commercial market for sure. I'd bet that unless there's some catastrophic design flaw that Glock will try to recoup development costs by selling them commercially even if they don't get adopted because they know people will go nuts for anything Glock. I mean, I'm already kinda hoping they do.

I bet that Glock hopes to take some of that German/European LE market share first.

It looks really good IMO. I'm eager to read more about them.

[Whootsinator]

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[Morbidbattlecry]

No front strap cut out? I'm in. I was debating picking up a Gen 5. With all this talk of the MHS and now the 46, i think i will wait a bit and see if something i like more comes out.

[Hambo]

Unless the whole project is scrapped, this thing will make it to the commercial market for sure.

Maybe. G .380s haven't made it to the civilian world, so it wouldn't be unprecedented to have Euro or LE only.

That said, I'm fascinated by this one.

[psalms144.1]

Based on the drawings and images in the linked magazine, that looks like a new barrel/lockup mechanic, new striker, and new frame at a minimum. In fact, it looks like the barrel lock up is via some kind of rotating lock, ala the Px4? Interesting, to be sure, but what is this, Gen6, 7, or 12?

[MSparks909]

The PX4 and Glock had a baby...awesome. If we ever get these in the states I will definitely consider snagging one. Also, did some a Google searching and PF seems to be the only US site with any info on the Glock 46. Bravo, everyone.

[M2CattleCo]

Maybe. G .380s haven't made it to the civilian world, so it wouldn't be unprecedented to have Euro or LE only.

That said, I'm fascinated by this one.

I've handled those down South. They're retarded. It's a 26 or 19 chambered in 380 with a magazine that is made with the same external dimensions and the internal smaller for the 380. And they're not as reliable as a 9mm from what I saw. Literally nobody would want one here.

[holmes168]

Wait, stop, seriously? But I'm still enjoying my Gen 5.

[JohnO]

I found this direct link to the German Magazine with the Glock G46 story.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hAva_yxlzPZnh0QXNCdk5rckk/view

Now if someone can translate.

[TheNewbie]

I've handled those down South. They're retarded. It's a 26 or 19 chambered in 380 with a magazine that is made with the same external dimensions and the internal smaller for the 380. And they're not as reliable as a 9mm from what I saw. Literally nobody would want one here.

In Mexico ? I have been interested in seeing one but maybe not now.

[octagon]

I found this direct link to the German Magazine with the Glock G46 story.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hAva_yxlzPZnh0QXNCdk5rckk/view

Now if someone can translate.

That is the same one posted before. I don't have time to translate. What info are you looking to get?

[Morbidbattlecry]

Is it just me or does the trigger guard on the 46 look more undercut then normal?

[4gallonbucket]

Is Tau already working on der Gadget Schlagbolzen Steuergerät ?


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[Glockman9mm]

It looks like they even took the time to contour the frame nose the same as the slide with this model.

[Glockman9mm]

No takedown levers, so the de-cocker whatever on the slide plate perhaps also is used to remove the slide somehow?

[MattyD380]

I usually don't get too into Glocks. But one with a rotating barrel and a decocker? I'm intrigued.

But I still love my PX4 Compact. Which happens to have..... a rotating barrel and a decocker.

[octagon]

Does that new slide cover plate facilitate “trigger-less takedown”? If so, how does it work?

Tom this is tougher than I thought but here is my best effort. Please remember I am not very fluent in German and with technical details and words not easily translated it is even more challenging.

The rear slide cover and striker assembly have been redesigned to allow for the gun to be disassembled without pulling the trigger. It sounds like it is a decocker but may be some form of a locking device to secure the striker. They say on the rear slide cover plate there is something the user turns clockwise and can do so without any tools. This turning of the lever/dial whatever moves either the striker or some part(s) 4mm to disengage or lock the striker and allow for disassembly and not firing the gun.

(In my understanding of the Glock and loose understanding of what they are saying I believe it either releases tension on the striker spring{decocks} it, or it moves the striker tab or sear engagement parts out of alignment. You being more familiar and adept in Glock knowledge may have a better idea of how much 4mm movement makes sense for sear engagement or is that more likely the amount the striker spring is compressed when the gun is at rest but striker at partial tension position)

There are more details like no cutout on the bottom of the front of the grip to allow for finger access to the front lip of the magazine to strip mags out like Gen 5 guns have. The chamber is fully enclosed(supported) allowing for stronger and safer firing by not having a ramp and partially unsupported portion of the cartridge case. They say it can fire underwater. The locking studs are across from each other adding to strength and safety of lockup as well as due to the non tilting barrel and other design features it is very accurate.

I wish I could be more clear and detailed but that is my limit( and thanks to my wife who helped clarify much better than I could) translation. The best bet would be to have a person fluid in English and German who is knowledgeable about mechanical terms in both languages or better yet knows guns or Glocks specifically.


ETA: the pages in the article seem to be missing one or are discombobulated when they move from page 11 to page 70 and something seems to be missing. It seems like it was historical info but may have had other details. Key points that were wanted in the final choice were 900grams loaded weight, ergonomic grip adjustable for small and large hand sizes, 9X19, larger magazine capacity, and other more minor details. I wasn't able to determine if the disassembly without pulling the trigger was a mandate or lesser wanted feature but I assume with that much design change it probably was a mandated feature.

[pangloss]

Just saw this:
http://www.recoilweb.com/brand-new-shiny-glock-46-129623.html

[RAM Engineer]

Very interesting that they use the old Gen 3 style recoil spring. I wonder if the rotating lockup necessitated it.

[SamAdams]

Wait, stop, seriously? But I'm still enjoying my Gen 5.

Yawn. That's yesterday's news. The swarm has moved on to this G46.

[nalesq]

Wait, this G46 is going to replace the P7 at a large agency? Does this mean that we'll soon see another pile of P7s being sold in the US at a reasonable price again?


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[MattyD380]

Wait, this G46 is going to replace the P7 at a large agency? Does this mean that we'll soon see another pile of P7s being sold in the US at a reasonable price again?


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My thoughts exactly. Come on, AIM.

[octagon]

I hope the guns do have a chance of coming here but that might be unlikely. They also have butt style mag lever IIRC. However there are 33k armed Bavarian Polizei so if the guns get here and have the upper mag release/catch I will definitely want in on buying one/some.

[Cool Breeze]

Probably the next question is what are the models 44 and 45 that have probably also been created.

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[Billy]

The 44 and 45 are most likely the MHS pistols.

The Recoilweb writer has added something to the article:


Update 9/25:
We received this official response from GLOCK Inc
The GLOCK 46 was developed by GLOCK Ges.m.b.H in response to an oversees solicitation. The pistol meets or exceeds all of the solicitation requirements and is not currently available to the US market.


Read more: http://www.recoilweb.com/brand-new-shiny-glock-46-129623.html#ixzz4tnBctWOG

It sounds like it may be released at some point.

[RAM Engineer]

The 44 and 45 are most likely the MHS pistols.

It sounds like it may be released at some point.

I thought they were designated 19MHS and 23MHS. That's what it says on their slides.

[Billy]

I thought they were designated 19MHS and 23MHS. That's what it says on their slides.

I believe Glock will not release the exact MHS models. IIRC they won't have manual safeties. I think we can expect some minor differences. I wouldn't be surprised if they release them as the 44 and 45 then.

Or perhaps you're right and I'm completely wrong and the 44 and 45 turn out to be completely different guns.

[ChaseN]

I believe Glock will not release the exact MHS models. IIRC they won't have manual safeties. I think we can expect some minor differences. I wouldn't be surprised if they release them as the 44 and 45 then.


Damn, manual thumb safety is the whole reason I wanted the 19MHS to come to market. Chop the grip back to 19 length, have it re shaped to ease the grip angle some, and (hopefully possible) plop my existing milled gen 4 G19/DP Pro slide on it. Recent real life lessons from a close, switched-on friend have made me a fan of an ergonomic manual safety on a pistol. Guess its m&p compact 2.0 for me, with some apex parts as necessary. Gonna be a bitch to pay for optic milling on another slide lol.


As an aside, what's the difference between a 19 MHS and a regular 19 gen 4/5 other than a grip that's working against you for CC and sick dog poop-esque brown?

[jandbj]

Or perhaps you're right and I'm completely wrong and the 44 and 45 turn out to be completely different guns.


Wait and see. You won't be disappointed. :cool:

[Totem Polar]

Wait and see. You won't be disappointed. :cool:

Because? They're actually G43 sized in .40S&W and .357 Sig?

[jandbj]

Because? They're actually G43 sized in .40S&W and .357 Sig?
Ewwwwwwwwww. That'd be awful.

[TGS]

There's going to be used Gen II Glock 46s on Gunbroker before we get our new-old-stock 2016 vintage G19Ms issued......

[HCM]

Damn, manual thumb safety is the whole reason I wanted the 19MHS to come to market. Chop the grip back to 19 length, have it re shaped to ease the grip angle some, and (hopefully possible) plop my existing milled gen 4 G19/DP Pro slide on it. Recent real life lessons from a close, switched-on friend have made me a fan of an ergonomic manual safety on a pistol. Guess its m&p compact 2.0 for me, with some apex parts as necessary. Gonna be a bitch to pay for optic milling on another slide lol.


As an aside, what's the difference between a 19 MHS and a regular 19 gen 4/5 other than a grip that's working against you for CC and sick dog poop-esque brown?

Manual safeties on Glocks - the prior factory ones and the aftermarket like the cimmonoli all suck. They are mushy and poorly placed.

If you want a polymer gun with a manual safety get an M&P or an HK.

The institutional argument for "carry" size guns with full size grips and compact slides is the full size grip is easier for non shooter gun carriers to shoot effectively and more comfortable to wear when seated - like in vehicles etc. The compact slide with a full size grip is also an advantage fo shooting multiple shots fast - full size grip gives better control - less muzzle rise and easier to track sights on shorter slide. This was one of the things many dedicated shooters liked about the P30. Those same features would make a Glock MHS model ideal for RDS shooting. The RDS makes sight radius irrelevant. An MHS/MOS model would be interesting.

Not a huge fan of Carry models myself but SIG sells tons of them. HK (P30), FN (509) and now Glock (MHS) all see a market for them even if it is just institutional users.

[HCM]

There's going to be used Gen II Glock 46s on Gunbroker before we get our new-old-stock 2016 vintage G19Ms issued......

And when you get them they will issue holsters which don't fit the M's due to the ambi slide catch....

[Luger]

Wait, this G46 is going to replace the P7 at a large agency? Does this mean that we'll soon see another pile of P7s being sold in the US at a reasonable price again?

The P7 will be replaced, but it is not clear wether by the Glock 46 or by one of it`s competitors. The rollout for the new gun is sheduled for 2019.

Within the last years, most Police Forces over here have destroyed their old guns, rather than selling them. I don`t know, wether Bavaria will be smarter, than other states.

[gtae07]

The institutional argument for "carry" size guns with full size grips and compact slides is the full size grip is easier for non shooter gun carriers to shoot effectively and more comfortable to wear when seated - like in vehicles etc.

Yeah, I guess from a military/LE perspective it would make sense. I'm just a civilian who carries concealed so I think of it from that perspective--a full-size grip is harder to conceal (for me, anyway) under the type of clothing I wear. Strong quartering tailwinds, bending over, or twisting to the left make that grip stand out like a sign. I'm now shopping for shirts that will make that a little less obvious.

[Billy]

Wait and see. You won't be disappointed. :cool:

Hmmmm somebody knows something ? ;)

[Trukinjp13]

If this were here I would own one asap. Hell I will take the g46 frame for a g19.5


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[GCBHM]

Last I checked, Glock's model lineup consisted of pistols from 17 to 43. Models 44 and 45 have not yet been released to the public, so I have no idea what a 46 is...


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http://www.recoilweb.com/brand-new-shiny-glock-46-129623.html

[spinmove_]

http://www.recoilweb.com/brand-new-shiny-glock-46-129623.html

Yes, that link was provided several posts after I made that one. Obviously I stand corrected.


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[GCBHM]

Yes, that link was provided several posts after I made that one. Obviously I stand corrected.


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Wasn’t trying to correct you. Just providing info. Sorry, didn’t scroll all the way through the thread.


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[John Hearne]

If you want a polymer gun with a manual safety get an M&P or an HK.


FWIW, I found the manual safety on the P320 to be very well done. It was properly placed and very clicky.

[Hot Sauce]

Any updated information on this design and why Glock went with the rotating action?

[spyderco monkey]

Any updated information on this design and why Glock went with the rotating action?

The best theory I've heard is that it offers better case support for high pressure, AP ammo for use as anti-terror, anti-vehicle load.

For example, the GSH-18, which was purpose built for firing +p+ Russian AP ammo, uses a rotating barrel for stronger lock up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSh-18

The MEN DM91 is the current German equivalent - 88grain Tungsten Carbide core bullet @ 1575fps.
http://www.men-defencetec.de/uploads/tx_men/230342_AP_DM91_11.11.2016.pdf

The DM91 is pretty comparable to Underwoods Extreme Defender 90gr +p+ @ 1550fps.

However, this was just a bit of info gleaned from a German user over on another forum - not in any way official.

It could be something much more boring - like recoil reduction or facilitating a triggerless takedown.

[HCM]

FWIW, I found the manual safety on the P320 to be very well done. It was properly placed and very clicky.

Good to know, I haven't gotten hands on a manual safety model yet.

[Chuck Haggard]

Ref ammo and an earlier comment, the last I knew the German coppers were using a variation of the old BAT bullet, an 80-ish grain solid copper sort of a hollow point but doesn't expand much thing. That bullet weight means the velocity is up there.

Like this stuff, maybe this exact stuff;
http://www.men-defencetec.de/en/products/law-enforcement/9-mm-x-19-9-mm-luger/detailview/?tx_men_pi1%5Bdetail%5D=159&cHash=23413862be74f37d5b25a1a44f686d0b

The military guys have some AP that is really warm;
http://www.men-defencetec.de/en/products/military-forces/9-mm-x-19-9-mm-nato/detailview/?tx_men_pi1%5Bdetail%5D=11&cHash=0cb59c045e1b175a253e94cff0dfb44c

[Luger]

Like this stuff, maybe this exact stuff;
http://www.men-defencetec.de/en/products/law-enforcement/9-mm-x-19-9-mm-luger/detailview/?tx_men_pi1%5Bdetail%5D=159&cHash=23413862be74f37d5b25a1a44f686d0b

That`s our duty ammo.

[Luger]

The state police of Saxony-Anhalt decided to buy the Glock 46. As far as I know they are the first police force, to get this new gun.

[Xhado]

The state police of Saxony-Anhalt decided to buy the Glock 46. As far as I know they are the first police force, to get this new gun.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

[Sigfan26]

The state police of Saxony-Anhalt decided to buy the Glock 46. As far as I know they are the first police force, to get this new gun.

Very interesting! How many officers?


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[Billy]

Picture in the link below:
https://esut.de/2019/01/meldungen/industrie/10083/glock-46-dienstpistolen/

It looks great...
We need a translator !

[pangloss]

Notably, trigger pull is not required for disassembly. Or so the article says.

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[fly out]

In translating the translation, it seems to say that this is Glock's first big duty-gun contract in Germany. Glocks have previously been issued to various special units, but not generally? It's not clear if they mean state and federally, or at the local level, too.

I imagine there are a handful of German manufacturers who are unhappy with this inroad. (I'm surprised it took this long - don't they have coke and hookers in Germany?)

As someone who likes PX4s and Grand Powers, this gun is interesting to me. I hope it eventually makes the leap over here.

[Gun Mutt]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fesut.de%2F2019%2F01%2Fmeldungen%2F industrie%2F10083%2Fglock-46-dienstpistolen%2F

Oh yeah...'cause that worked out so well last time. :rolleyes:

Mods here fuck shovels.

[Luger]

In translating the translation, it seems to say that this is Glock's first big duty-gun contract in Germany. Glocks have previously been issued to various special units, but not generally? It's not clear if they mean state and federally, or at the local level, too.

Policing in Germany is mostly done by the states. There are some federal police forces, but they are all specialized (for example guarding the borders and the railroad system). We have no municipal police departments.
Germany has a technical guideline for police pistols. And this guideline demands, that the gun must be able to be stripped without decocking it by pressing the trigger. So Glock never could get a contract over here, except for special forces who don`t care about the technical guideline.

[JSGlock34]

Manual safety?

TFB: German State Police Adopt NEW Glock 46 (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/02/01/saxon-police-adopt-glock-46/)

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[TheNewbie]

Manual safety?

TFB: German State Police Adopt NEW Glock 46 (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/02/01/saxon-police-adopt-glock-46/)

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Does the back plate look different?

[JSGlock34]

Does the back plate look different?

It is different and part of the revised disassembly design.

I kinda like the integrated beaver tail. I think. Maybe.

[GJM]

It is different and part of the revised disassembly design.

I kinda like the integrated beaver tail. I think. Maybe.

The way I draw a Glock is to hit high and ride down into position getting a very high grip. This new thingee there looks like a fence.

[TheNewbie]

It is different and part of the revised disassembly design.

I kinda like the integrated beaver tail. I think. Maybe.



Ahhh. I am guessing that would have an impact upon adding a SCD to the system.

[Magsz]

Wow, I want that frame... That beavertail looks gorgeous.

I wonder if this iteration of the 46 also has the rotating barrel as described back in 2017. I would imagine so but...man...I kind of want lol.

19 length frame or 17? Im going to go with 19 length?

[Ndbbm]

Factory flat trigger? Or just the angle?

Jason

[JSGlock34]

You know, when I originally posted that photo, the placement of that additional lever made me think "manual safety". But looking again, I don't see the traditional Glock takedown lever...I'm now guessing that the new lever is related to the "no-trigger pull" field strip...

[OlongJohnson]

I kinda like the integrated beaver tail. I think. Maybe.

It's there to reduce the odds of accidentally nailing the decocker button and having a dead trigger.

I had to trim the beaver tail off the Grip Force Adapter on my G34 to enable use of the Gadget; exact opposite of the G46.

[O4L]

You know, when I originally posted that photo, the placement of that additional lever made me think "manual safety". But looking again, I don't see the traditional Glock takedown lever...I'm now guessing that the new lever is related to the "no-trigger pull" field strip...Decocker maybe?

[JSGlock34]

Decocker maybe?

I think considering the placement that's a real possibility.

[O4L]

I think considering the placement that's a real possibility.Looking at the position of the trigger it seems that it is not reset...hmmm...

[JclInAtx]

I wonder if this iteration of the 46 also has the rotating barrel as described back in 2017. I would imagine so but...man...I kind of want lol.


Article mentions the rotating barrel; didn't notice anything on barrel length.

[BigT]

Its definitely G19 sized. The lever is a take down lever. Very interesting internals on it. Apparently no plans for civilian sales at this time.

Disaasmbly is more compicated than a normal Glock but if you don't ont want to pull the trigger to strip is works well

[TheNewbie]

Its definitely G19 sized. The lever is a take down lever. Very interesting internals on it. Apparently no plans for civilian sales at this time.

Disaasmbly is more compicated than a normal Glock but if you don't ont want to pull the trigger to strip is works well

Was the trigger any different?

[BigT]

Was the trigger any different?

The trigger itself seemed a little flatter in profile. But I didnt think to check that too carefully at the time.

[TiroFijo]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/02/05/exclusive-photos-new-glock-46/

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Image-from-iOS-2-660x640.jpg

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Here's a commentary on the 46 - for what is worth. Don't know the guy.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/glock-46-glock-gun-could-change-everything-61532

Maybe it will change everything!!

[BigT]

I shot one of these a few weeks back.

German police spec trigger is long and heavy. Some of you DAO fans may like it, I did not.

They shoot very flat indeed. Felt comped almost. This in 17 size with a standard Gen5 trigger would have me buying two.

[TheNewbie]

I shot one of these a few weeks back.

German police spec trigger is long and heavy. Some of you DAO fans may like it, I did not.

They shoot very flat indeed. Felt comped almost. This in 17 size with a standard Gen5 trigger would have me buying two.

Was it like a NY trigger or different?

[RAM Engineer]

I shot one of these a few weeks back.

German police spec trigger is long and heavy. Some of you DAO fans may like it, I did not.

They shoot very flat indeed. Felt comped almost. This in 17 size with a standard Gen5 trigger would have me buying two.

Look at that dustcover. While the grip is obviously 19-sized, the slide length appears to be halfway between 19 and 17.

[BigT]

Was it like a NY trigger or different?

Its NY-ish, but engineered to be longer.

[BigT]

Look at that dustcover. While the grip is obviously 19-sized, the slide length appears to be halfway between 19 and 17.

I think there's some visual trickery from the lack of Slide Lock lever. In hand it seemed , without measuring , to be exactly G19 sized.

[farscott]

Since the barrel has no feed ramp, the feed ramp is in the frame. It appears to be the same "locking block" part that has the cam path for the barrel. It is an interesting looking part as my first thought was, "The edge of the feed ramp is going to chip". Probably wrong as first thoughts usually are.

It looks to be an interesting design. I wonder if we will see elements of it in future USA-market pistols.

[RAM Engineer]

I think there's some visual trickery from the lack of Slide Lock lever. In hand it seemed , without measuring , to be exactly G19 sized.

I was basing that observation on the amount of dustcover material that seems to be forward of the locking notch in the accessory rail. I don't remember Glock 19s having that much length FORWARD of the notch.

But it's all based on just seeing pictures, so I'm sure it could be an optical illusion.

[Texaspoff]

The biggest question I have is what keeps the slide from flying off the front, there is no take down lever like previous glocks. That leads me to believe either the striker tab, or the silly gizmo decocker tab on the back of the slide somehow holds everything together. It may make sense when and if we actually get to see this in person.

I'm skeptical at this point simply because Glock obviously has come up with a whole new system and design for taking the pistol down. Almost all other rotating barrel pistol still have some type of takedown located in the traditional areas. I'm curious as to what they came up with, and is it durable. I haven't heard or seen anything about what the tests have been on the system as of yet. All we know is they adopted it, but don't know what the testing protocols were.

At least Glock deleted the front strap cutout on them... :)

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool, but it will likely be vaporware here stateside like the 25 and 28.



TXPO

[CleverNickname]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool, but it will likely be vaporware here stateside like the 25 and 28.

Well the thing with the 25 and 28 is that they don't make enough import points. The 46 should.

[Vista461]

Well the thing with the 25 and 28 is that they don't make enough import points.

If they thought they’d sell enough, they could make them here like they do for some models.

[CleverNickname]

True, but from what I've read, the recoil on them is about the same or a little worse than the the equivalent 9mm models, because of the difference between blowback operation on the .380's and locked breech operation on the 9's. When you add in the fact that 9mm is cheaper and more powerful, there's no point to them at all.

[call_me_ski]

The biggest question I have is what keeps the slide from flying off the front, there is no take down lever like previous glocks. That leads me to believe either the striker tab, or the silly gizmo decocker tab on the back of the slide somehow holds everything together. It may make sense when and if we actually get to see this in person.

I'm skeptical at this point simply because Glock obviously has come up with a whole new system and design for taking the pistol down. Almost all other rotating barrel pistol still have some type of takedown located in the traditional areas. I'm curious as to what they came up with, and is it durable. I haven't heard or seen anything about what the tests have been on the system as of yet. All we know is they adopted it, but don't know what the testing protocols were.

At least Glock deleted the front strap cutout on them... :)

Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool, but it will likely be vaporware here stateside like the 25 and 28.



TXPO

The German Government regulates what the German states can and can’t buy for pistols very closely. They have a very specific set of requirement and testing protocols that the pistols must meet for adoption. The trigger is a direct result of this and the most obvious. It is also why the Germans Police forces adopted the PPQ M3/P3 rather than the M1 or M2.

In terms of durability 3 test pistols must survive firing 10,000 rounds each of the German duty ammo. The ammo is a 94gr “Green” Copper solid that leaves the barrel at 1400fps. There is no parts replacement allowed before 7500 rounds and only minor parts after. All testing is conducted by the Ulm Proof house. This durability test is difficult to pass due to the ammo specified. It is the reason that Walther redesigned the locking geometry on the PPQ and I suspect the reason that Glock went to a rotating barrel. I suspect these guns will be durable.

[JSGlock34]

Another article on the G46 with some interesting pictures.

https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/glock-46-9mm-luger-German-Saxony-Anhalt-state-police-test/

[RAM Engineer]

Another article on the G46 with some interesting pictures.

https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/glock-46-9mm-luger-German-Saxony-Anhalt-state-police-test/

It does appear slightly longer than a G19. On a standard G19 the nose bevel ends just lined up with the front of the accessory notch. There looks to be a ≈ 5mm extra space there on the G46

[WobblyPossum]

Another article on the G46 with some interesting pictures.

https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/glock-46-9mm-luger-German-Saxony-Anhalt-state-police-test/

Thanks for that. It was an interesting read.

[call_me_ski]

I really want this to come to the market here. I would absolutely buy one. Maybe the 10th will be a reveal of a line of pistols based around this design.

[M2CattleCo]

The whole point of a square slide is to accommodate the chamber being the barrel lug. The whole top of the slide could be significantly lower and round like a Hi Power or a 1911.

The 46 is a rotary barrel shoehorned into a Glock 19 slide. Looks like trash and gives up a lot of potential.

[call_me_ski]

The whole point of a square slide is to accommodate the chamber being the barrel lug. The whole top of the slide could be significantly lower and round like a Hi Power or a 1911.

The 46 is a rotary barrel shoehorned into a Glock 19 slide. Looks like trash and gives up a lot of potential.

Optics on pistols are the future and they have flat foot prints so I doubt you will see guns with as sleek of styling as 1911s and high powers again as they are less then ideal for optics mounting. The 92fs is the extreme example of this. With the barrel seated Lower in the slide the optic can also be buried a bit Deeper as well. Plus the square profile is iconically Glock. Even their logo is a square.

[M2CattleCo]

I guess if all you know is squares, then all you make are squares.

ARs have flat tops for mounting optics, that didn't make 'em have to make the entire upper to the end of the barrel square.

A round slide top make a pistol carry a lot smaller.

[call_me_ski]

I guess if all you know is squares, then all you make are squares.

ARs have flat tops for mounting optics, that didn't make 'em have to make the entire upper to the end of the barrel square.

A round slide top make a pistol carry a lot smaller.

And yet the trend with ar15s has been to make an uninterrupted rail from charging handle to flash hider so I am not sure I understand your point. Profiling the back end of a slide might make it carry a bit smaller but again, the trend has been towards guns having more of a Glock profile on the back end then the other way. Compare a 92FS to an APX etc. A Glock can fit an Acro and a rear sight. On A Sig P320 you start running out of space. As far as being smaller if they profiled the slide over the barrel. Sure I’ll give you that. But for me personally it wouldn’t be enough to notice or care.

[M2CattleCo]

The back half of a striker gun's slide is longer because it has to have a striker spring inline with the striker. They're not making them that way for any reason other than they need somewhere to put the striker and spring.

A more rounded profile carries better, a lower center of mass on the slide would make it shoot flatter.

Glock slides are square for ease of manufacturing. No other reason.

[call_me_ski]

I agree with everything you said. I guess I just don’t see what potential is lost from having a more square slide.

[M2CattleCo]

It looks like they could make it a lot shorter with the rotating barrel.

From the pics it has a lower bore axis, but the slides are the same size as a 19.

Why have all the mass higher above the barrel? Would mitigate the benefit of a lower bore axis.

And a round slide top makes for less bulk.

[spinmove_]

It looks like they could make it a lot shorter with the rotating barrel.

From the pics it has a lower bore axis, but the slides are the same size as a 19.

Why have all the mass higher above the barrel? Would mitigate the benefit of a lower bore axis.

And a round slide top makes for less bulk.

Since the barrel sits lower, yes, they should indeed shorten the slide. They’ll never do a rounded top though. They tend to think more along the lines of Huey Lewis. It’s hip to be square...

[DallasBronco]

It looks like they could make it a lot shorter with the rotating barrel.

From the pics it has a lower bore axis, but the slides are the same size as a 19.

Why have all the mass higher above the barrel? Would mitigate the benefit of a lower bore axis.

And a round slide top makes for less bulk.

The slide is milled to provide a track for the upper barrel lug. That probably accounts for the slide height staying the same.

[JSGlock34]

Increase machining costs and require new holsters...for what is already a niche pistol?

[Navyguns]

All I know is that I want one, probably three. 🤷🏻*♂️

[pangloss]

All I know is that I want one, probably three. 🤷🏻*♂️

Curiosity is a perfectly good reason for buying a pistol, and I'm quite curious about this one.

[Texaspoff]

Increase machining costs and require new holsters...for what is already a niche pistol?

Actually the 46 will fit into all current Safariland G19 duty holsters with a small change to the hood to clear the beavertail..... :eek: Oh I have said too much already.....:rolleyes:




TXPO

[TheNewbie]

Actually the 46 will fit into all current Safariland G19 duty holsters with a small change to the hood to clear the beavertail..... :eek: Oh I have said too much already.....:rolleyes:




TXPO


I say not enough! :D

[WobblyPossum]

Actually the 46 will fit into all current Safariland G19 duty holsters with a small change to the hood to clear the beavertail..... :eek: Oh I have said too much already.....:rolleyes:




TXPO

We’re you not supposed to say anything until December 10th? [emoji6]

[Texaspoff]

We’re you not supposed to say anything until December 10th? [emoji6]

I hear things, sometimes see things, and know even less, but I'm not bound by an NDA since I officially, don't have an inside track on anything. :cool:




TXPO

[JSGlock34]

Actually the 46 will fit into all current Safariland G19 duty holsters with a small change to the hood to clear the beavertail....

I'm sure the G46 fits in most holsters designed for the G19; my comment was in response to the discussion on rounding the slide.

[TheNewbie]

I hear things, sometimes see things, and know even less, but I'm not bound by an NDA since I officially, don't have an inside track on anything. :cool:




TXPO


You just happen to unofficially know that the G46 can work with G19 holsters. :cool:


Wish it worked with the gadget.

[MSparks909]

Actually the 46 will fit into all current Safariland G19 duty holsters with a small change to the hood to clear the beavertail..... :eek: Oh I have said too much already.....:rolleyes:




TXPO

So, “unofficially” of course, and in a hypothetical sense, how does it shoot compared to a G19?

[BigT]

So, “unofficially” of course, and in a hypothetical sense, how does it shoot compared to a G19?


Ive shot it "officially" . Shoots very "flat"

[Center Shot]

Ive shot it "officially" . Shoots very "flat"

Big T:
Would you say the G46 is "damn exciting" ?

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

Big T:
Would you say the G46 is "damn exciting" ?Or "legendary"? :D

[call_me_ski]

Well if the 46 has made it to South Africa it looks like Glock is starting to market it internationally. It would stand to reason that they will market it to their largest market eventually as well. Is it coming the 10th? Can’t say but it looks like it will happened at one point.

Also did I ever think Glock redesigned their operating system for a single 8,000 pistol contract when they they won’t even make different color frames without a similar commitment? No.

[BigT]

Big T:
Would you say the G46 is "damn exciting" ?
What you did there, I saw it :)

[BigT]

Well if the 46 has made it to South Africa it looks like Glock is starting to market it internationally. It would stand to reason that they will market it to their largest market eventually as well. Is it coming the 10th? Can’t say but it looks like it will happened at one point.

Also did I ever think Glock redesigned their operating system for a single 8,000 pistol contract when they they won’t even make different color frames without a similar commitment? No.
They haven't made them to SA. I shot it in Austria at Glock earlier this year.


Bear in mind the "up yours" to HK and Walther in getting a German Police agency to adopt an Austrian pistol in a contract written to exclude Glocks

[call_me_ski]

They haven't made them to SA. I shot it in Austria at Glock earlier this year.


Bear in mind the "up yours" to HK and Walther in getting a German Police agency to adopt an Austrian pistol in a contract written to exclude Glocks

Well damn. Either way I still believe they are coming.

[Coal Train]

The Glock 46 at a the Enforce TAC German show. The audio gets a bit shaky when he manipulates the gun and I guess Youtube policies prohibit showing disassemble.

It is different.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpzGuPdt7rY

[MattyD380]

The Glock 46 at a the Enforce TAC German show. The audio gets a bit shaky when he manipulates the gun and I guess Youtube policies prohibit showing disassemble.

It is different.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpzGuPdt7rY

Nice.

Rotating barrel and a longer trigger pull. Two things that, for me, would make a Glock more interesting.

His explanation of the apparatus on the back was truncated... but, it looks like it decocks the striker... but not in a way that gives you, like, a DA/SA situation? I guess it's simply so you don't have to pull the trigger while disassembling.

But if this was actually a DA/SA Glock.... Oooooo

Not that they'll offer it here.

[No.6]

Nice.

Rotating barrel and a longer trigger pull. Two things that, for me, would make a Glock more interesting.

His explanation of the apparatus on the back was truncated... but, it looks like it decocks the striker... but not in a way that gives you, like, a DA/SA situation? I guess it's simply so you don't have to pull the trigger while disassembling.

But if this was actually a DA/SA Glock.... Oooooo

Not that they'll offer it here.

For completionist purposes, the Rumble version of the YT video sans truncation.

https://rumble.com/v4i0rse-the-glock-46-the-glock-youve-never-seen.html

[Trajan]

Odd that they would build a gun with a different operating system for such a small contract. I'd be interested in trying one to see how much of a difference a rotating barrel makes compared to a Browning action.

[WobblyPossum]

Odd that they would build a gun with a different operating system for such a small contract. I'd be interested in trying one to see how much of a difference a rotating barrel makes compared to a Browning action.

Small contract? Google says the Bavarian State Police have 33,500 armed officers. That’s substantially larger than any American LE contract outside of CBP’s or if NYPD decided to standardize on a single handgun.

[Trajan]

Small contract? Google says the Bavarian State Police have 33,500 armed officers. That’s substantially larger than any American LE contract outside of CBP’s or if NYPD decided to standardize on a single handgun.

Ah, I was under the impression this was for 8000 pistols.


Well if the 46 has made it to South Africa it looks like Glock is starting to market it internationally. It would stand to reason that they will market it to their largest market eventually as well. Is it coming the 10th? Can’t say but it looks like it will happened at one point.

Also did I ever think Glock redesigned their operating system for a single 8,000 pistol contract when they they won’t even make different color frames without a similar commitment? No.

[WobblyPossum]

Ah, I was under the impression this was for 8000 pistols.

I was going off the OP which said the gun was entered in the Bavarian State Police contract trials. A contract for 8,000 pistols is not small either but it’s definitely a different league than over 30k. Only a handful of US LE agencies have over 8,000 armed personnel. Off the top of my head I can think of CBP, ICE, and the FBI on the federal side and NYPD, Chicago PD, LAPD, and LASD on the state/county/local side.

[Trajan]

I was going off the OP which said the gun was entered in the Bavarian State Police contract trials. A contract for 8,000 pistols is not small either but it’s definitely a different league than over 30k. Only a handful of US LE agencies have over 8,000 armed personnel. Off the top of my head I can think of CBP, ICE, and the FBI on the federal side and NYPD, Chicago PD, LAPD, and LASD on the state/county/local side.

Yeah, but this design is so different from their other offerings. Every other Glock is essentially the same gun just different size or caliber. It's surprising if they made such a model for 8000 pistols and to not sell them anywhere else.

[MTP]

I was going off the OP which said the gun was entered in the Bavarian State Police contract trials. A contract for 8,000 pistols is not small either but it’s definitely a different league than over 30k. Only a handful of US LE agencies have over 8,000 armed personnel. Off the top of my head I can think of CBP, ICE, and the FBI on the federal side and NYPD, Chicago PD, LAPD, and LASD on the state/county/local side.

I don't know who mentioned the Bavaria State Police, maybe someone up thread. But that is incorrect. The Glock 46 TR won the tender to arm the Sachsen-Anhalt police force, which is significantly smaller than its Bavarian counterpart. A contract for approx 6400 units was awarded.

[WobblyPossum]

I don't know who mentioned the Bavaria State Police, maybe someone up thread. But that is incorrect. The Glock 46 TR won the tender to arm the Sachsen-Anhalt police force, which is significantly smaller than its Bavarian counterpart. A contract for approx 6400 units was awarded.

The post that started this thread by Luger mentioned the G46 was entered in the Bavaria State Police trials. From that post it read to me that he’s an officer with that agency. I don’t know anything about who may have won that contract but if you were handing out a contract for over 33k pistols, Glock would probably make anything you asked for within reason.

[HCM]

On the commercial side, Glocks has done special editions for distributors with as few as 5,000.

Another potential aspect is that while gun companies exist to make money not guns there are products that are introduced simply due to “grudges.” Industry drama is a thing.

This can range from things like requirements that exclude one’s normal products (like a contract requirement that prohibits pulling the trigger to disassemble the pistol), actual or perceived theft of intellectual property, actual or perceived bad faith in prior collaborative efforts, etc.

[Luger]

The post that started this thread by Luger mentioned the G46 was entered in the Bavaria State Police trials. From that post it read to me that he’s an officer with that agency.

I am. And the Glock 46 was tested. Yet the H&K SFP9 TR (a Variant of the VP9) won the contract.
There is no Glock46 in service with the Bavarian State Police. Glocks (17,19,26) are only issued to our Special Forces.

[Tokarev]

Forgotten Weapons takes a look.


https://youtu.be/YPBX1XUtxdE?si=BCh1DLOytGGvhE-P

[echo5charlie]

On the commercial side, Glocks has done special editions for distributors with as few as 5,000.

Another potential aspect is that while gun companies exist to make money not guns there are products that are introduced simply due to “grudges.” Industry drama is a thing.

This can range from things like requirements that exclude one’s normal products (like a contract requirement that prohibits pulling the trigger to disassemble the pistol), actual or perceived theft of intellectual property, actual or perceived bad faith in prior collaborative efforts, etc.

Since I drink the Glock-collecting Kool Aid, I would definitely buy a G46. Maybe Talo will make that happen, but as you pointed out there may be reasons Glock won't ever bring this to the US.

[Jim Watson]

Und next ve vill put a lock on the takedown button so only Authorized Personnel may disassemble the agency's pistole.
Ja ja safety first.

[Ndbbm]

I’m curious if the striker disconnect could be brought over to the “standard” Glock to allow disassembly without pulling the trigger. The video really didn’t make it clear if the “ disassembly lever” did anything past ensuring a removed magazine and maybe a slide release. A Glock that uses the standard slide lock for slide removal that didn’t need the trigger pulled would be nice. Bonus points for a scd still working for personal guns, or hell freezing over and Glock building in that functionality.

Jason

[zaitcev]

A Glock that uses the standard slide lock for slide removal that didn’t need the trigger pulled would be nice.

Mossberg is basically that.

BTW, their website says "The patented slide cover plate design is used under license from Strike Industries (US10139174B2)."

[MountainRaven]

I’m curious if the striker disconnect could be brought over to the “standard” Glock to allow disassembly without pulling the trigger. The video really didn’t make it clear if the “ disassembly lever” did anything past ensuring a removed magazine and maybe a slide release. A Glock that uses the standard slide lock for slide removal that didn’t need the trigger pulled would be nice. Bonus points for a scd still working for personal guns, or hell freezing over and Glock building in that functionality.

Jason

It appears that you can either have an SCD or you can have a Glock that disassembles without pulling the trigger.