Building my precision reloading setup, thoughts?

[LittleLebowski]

circa 1967 RCBS JR single stage press (bought for $40, it's a tank)
Redding micrometer dies (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/798302/redding-premium-series-2-die-set-308-winchester)
Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder measure (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/762907/lee-deluxe-perfect-powder-measure) (ordered internal baffle for it as well)
RCBS powder measure stand (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/125792/rcbs-advanced-powder-measure-stand) (looked like it takes less space than the Lee stand)
RCBS beam scale
Hornady powder trickler (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GU6ZVC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Worlds Cheapest Trimmer (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122566340566)


The goal here is to have just enough gear to work up good handholds for my Remington 700 AAC-SD 20" .308 for hunting in Wyoming. Precision rifle really isn't worth pursuing in my AO, but I would like to build up some excellent hunting ammo. I plan to throw short charges and trickle up to my chosen powder charge. No aftermarket trigger, crappy bipod, aftermarket B&C M40 stock, and an excellent scope (Leupold 3-18x H59 Mk6).

[mtnbkr]

I'd dump the Hornady and get the Frankfort Arsenal Trickler (http://www.cabelas.com/product/BATTENFELD-POWDER-TRICKLER/1884530.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId% 3D108093780%26CQ_search%3Dpowder%252Btrickler%26WT z_stype%3DREG). I had the Hornady, and while it works, the FA is smoother, more stable, and has covers that allow you to leave powder in it without risk of spillage.

I'd be interested i hearing your review of the trimmer. I have a Lyman trimmer and use it with my cordless drill, but the World's Cheapest Trimmer is new to me.

I have an older version of the powder measure. It works. Not much else to say about it.

I use a digital scale instead of a beam. I got tired of using beam scales years ago.

ETA: Lee dies will produce sub-MOA ammo with good practices and save you a ton of money in the process. It doesn't sound like you're looking for competition-quality 1000yd loads, so something to consider...

Chris

[LittleLebowski]

Already got everything in hand or en route.

[Clusterfrack]

With a good OCW load, you can even use just the Lee measure. E.g. 175 SMK and 45 gr Varget is so robust to charge variation that I once loaded match ammo on a volumetric powder measure and had no issues.

If you only neck resize, you shouldn't have to trim very offer.

I have the same Rcbs Jr. and load all my precision ammo on it.

[ranger]

I am using several of the Worlds Cheapest Trimmers - they work really well and they are really cheap!

[LittleLebowski]

Spent some time today sorting my .308 brass, realized that I don't have a swaging solution for all of my Lake City .308 brass :( I found a decent amount of Hornady brass and I'm not done looking through my stuff yet. Got the Hornady stuff ran through the primer pocket uniformer and it's wet tumbling now.

Pretty pissed about having to buy another swager...

[ranger]

I am using a Dillon 550 for my precision loads. Set up for large primer plus 308 sized cases and then I have a removable head for 308, 260, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 6.5 Grendel (large primer brass). I used a Hornady auto charge to weigh the charges and then I drop the weighed charges into the case. Slower than the Dillon powder drop.

I typically prep the brass in a single stage press then run the prepped brass through the 550 to seat the primer, load the powder, seat and crimp the bullet. I try my best to use commercial brass so I do not have mess with the primer pocket sizing. I throw all my mil 223 and 308 in separate buckets in case I just have to use mil brass.

[Hambo]

https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-Primer-Pocket-Swager-Combo-2/dp/B0063IDAX2?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0063IDAX2

I did the "get close and trickle" deal for a long time with extruded powder, but used Lee powder scoops for the get close part. There are two other ways to skin that cat.

https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-98923-Combo-110V-AC-Chargemaster/dp/B00139UC6O/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1503096797&sr=1-1&keywords=rcbs+powder+master Great, but not so great if you're #poorfag (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=poorfag)

The other is to try W748 and see if it does what you want, then skip the whole trickling affair.

[JM Campbell]

Don't know if you want it but I have the load data for Federals gov contact 175gr SMK.

ETA

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/1884784b1a09dfb9c04f51c3d562ade2.jpg


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[Mike C]

I like the 4064 but also have had great luck with BL-C(2) especially with those 175's. I've been able to source BL-C(2) locally on the regular for $18 a lb. In general it is usually cheaper than the IMR even when I've found IMR on sale.

[ffhounddog]

circa 1967 RCBS JR single stage press (bought for $40, it's a tank)
Redding micrometer dies (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/798302/redding-premium-series-2-die-set-308-winchester)
Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder measure (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/762907/lee-deluxe-perfect-powder-measure) (ordered internal baffle for it as well)
RCBS powder measure stand (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/125792/rcbs-advanced-powder-measure-stand) (looked like it takes less space than the Lee stand)
RCBS beam scale
Hornady powder trickler (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GU6ZVC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Worlds Cheapest Trimmer (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122566340566)


The goal here is to have just enough gear to work up good handholds for my Remington 700 AAC-SD 20" .308 for hunting in Wyoming. Precision rifle really isn't worth pursuing in my AO, but I would like to build up some excellent hunting ammo. I plan to throw short charges and trickle up to my chosen powder charge. No aftermarket trigger, crappy bipod, aftermarket B&C M40 stock, and an excellent scope (Leupold 3-18x H59 Mk6).

When you get a chance, would you review the Worlds Cheapest Trimmer?

[Rich@CCC]

I'd still look at Lee's Quick trim deluxe. $28.00 for the trimmer and die and each additional die is only $8.00 and it chamfers and deburrs in the same operation as it trims.

[ranger]

When you get a chance, would you review the Worlds Cheapest Trimmer?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/308-Win-Case-Trimmer-HMR-WCT-Worlds-Cheapest-Trimmer-/122566340566?hash=item1c8985efd6:g:64UAAOSwuAVW1Ke v

Simple. Chuck into a portable drill. Confirm trim length setting and adjust as required. I do in the basement listening to the radio. One bucket of untrimmed brass, a box to catch the shavings, and another bucket for trimmed brass. Simple. I use the 308 trimmer for 260 also. I have multiple other more expensive 308 trimmers including the Dillon but this is the one I use.

[ranger]

I'd still look at Lee's Quick trim deluxe. $28.00 for the trimmer and die and each additional die is only $8.00 and it chamfers and deburrs in the same operation as it trims.

I have these for almost every rifle caliber - I greatly prefer the WCT. There are limited WCT available - I would the Lee for ones not covered by WCT.

[Rich@CCC]

I process most of my rifle brass in a progressive press so the Lee Quick Trim is tailor made for me.I find it to be very accurate and easily adjusted.

[OlongJohnson]

I found that it's likely to be a little cheaper to buy the standard Redding die set plus the accessory micrometer seating insert they sell, rather than buying the micrometer die to start with. One of the rare occasions where that kind of thinking seems to work.

[entropy]

Everyone has an opinion on how to make accurate ammo. Its like a couple of grandmas arguing a cornbread recipie. No winners. Only pursed lips.

Anyhow, to,add my .02....

One of the best investments I made when going down the road of accurate ammo (for my .308 initially) was the neck expander/uniformer die.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/GunTech/Sinclair-Expander-Dies/detail.htm?lid=14794

I spent a lot of time chasing vertical error until someone turned me onto this.

It doesnt take a lot of gizmos to make good ammo. It just takes good consistency.

[willie]

Avoiding tradtional resize die with the neck expander button down near the decapping pin is essential. The button stretches the case neck as it's pulled back through. You can use the original size die but remove the decapping rod with expander and decap as a separate step. Using the suggested die from the above post is one good way to accomplish neck expansion without contributing run out. If your funds are limited, consider a Lee Deluxe Collet die set.

[ranger]

I process most of my rifle brass in a progressive press so the Lee Quick Trim is tailor made for me.I find it to be very accurate and easily adjusted.

Do you have a separate head for case prep?

[mmc45414]

Worlds Cheapest Trimmer (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122566340566)


Thanks for this tip...

[Rich@CCC]

Do you have a separate head for case prep?

Yes,
Lee Load Master
Station 1 deprime and size, station 2 prime, Station 3 empty, station 4 trim, station 5 empty. This is after the LC once fired has been swaged.

I do this for all my .223, .243 .30-40 .308 and .30-30 brass. The .223 I load progressive with a second tool head all other rifle loads I work single stage, though I may do up a progressive tool head for the .30-30

ETA: I should say that I do not process my .308 precision brass like this. That is done single stage, neck size only after initial firing.

[LittleLebowski]

Update on the World's Cheapest Trimmer:

It works fine but I found that the cases need case lube for it work properly, at least the first few. Once set, it's just like the World's Finest Trimmer in operation. To me, neither are exact machines, one must measure the brass before and after to make sure that the brass is where you want it.

[LSP552]

I really like the Redding Competition Shell Holders for loading precision rifle ammo.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35:competition-shellholder-sets

[SecondsCount]

My setup for comparison-

Press: Forster CoAx. I used a RCBS Rockchucker for a long time and it still works. The Forster is just nicer all the way around.

Dies: Redding, Whidden, Wilson, and Newlon. All of them have their pros and cons but they all will accept different sized neck bushings which I like to play with as neck tension is crucial to accurate ammo. I've even made some pretty good ammo with Hornady New Dimension dies.

Priming: Good old Lee Auto Prime

Powder measure: RCBS Chargemaster which works well with a lot of different powders but struggles with 8208 so I think I will try the straw mod. If I want to go manual then I use a Redding trickler and a Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder measure.

Trimming: RCBS trimmer or a Possum Hollow for bulk precision 223. I may try the WCT as the Possum Hollow is getting old and needs a new cutting head. Did I say I hate trimming? It is why I like 6x47 Lapua and 223 Ackley as I never trim them.

Annealing: A turntable and a propane torch, along with my eyes in low light. Tempilaq for setup. Works well but I think I can get better results with an inductive annealer, and plan on building one this winter.

Neck Turning: Forster and Hornady. The Hornady tool frustrates me but I think I am getting the hang of it.

I also use some other tools from Sinclair to measure the shoulder bump and OAL off the bullet ogive, and a Hornady depth gauge to find the best OAL.

If you have not had a chance to read TresMon's Reloading for Long Range threads on SnipersHide, I would recommend it. It does a good job of explaining why you would want to go through extra steps for improved accuracy.

[JM Campbell]

RCBS Rockchucker
RCBS full length dies for 308
Lyman powder dispenser gen6
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AU6CIUO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503410126&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=lyman+powder+dispenser
Franklin Arsenal case prep center
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HS7JEB4/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503410292&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=franklin+arsenal+brass+center&dpPl=1&dpID=41-AvcH2rIL&ref=plSrch

So far it's been ok, brass prep still sucks but is needed when reloading for a ar10 rifle.



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[LittleLebowski]

I really like the Redding Competition Shell Holders for loading precision rifle ammo.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35:competition-shellholder-sets

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

[LittleLebowski]

Both used:

- Lyman Gen6 for $125 (https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Gen6-Digital-Powder-Measure/dp/B00AU6CIUO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504546872&sr=8-1&keywords=Lyman+Gen6)

OR

- RCBS Chargemaster 1500 w/ scale for $200 (https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-98923-Combo-110V-AC-Chargemaster/dp/B00139UC6O/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1504546957&sr=1-1&keywords=chargemaster+1500+scale)

[Odin Bravo One]

I let Black Hills handle my precision reloading needs. My OCD would be in constant conflict with practical me from start to finish. The battles would probably keep me awake at night.

Fact is, I know what it takes to develop truly superb accuracy from the whole package, and I'm just not willing to half ass any aspect of precision in the precision shooting equation. And I'm just not dedicated enough to put in the time necessary to maintain the shooting skills, let alone loading to such exacting standards. Black Hills can load ammo good enough for my new accuracy requirements of "good enough".

This being lazy/retired shit is pretty sweet!!!

[LittleLebowski]

I let Black Hills handle my precision reloading needs. My OCD would be in constant conflict with practical me from start to finish. The battles would probably keep me awake at night.

Fact is, I know what it takes to develop truly superb accuracy from the whole package, and I'm just not willing to half ass any aspect of precision in the precision shooting equation. And I'm just not dedicated enough to put in the time necessary to maintain the shooting skills, let alone loading to such exacting standards. Black Hills can load ammo good enough for my new accuracy requirements of "good enough".

This being lazy/retired shit is pretty sweet!!!


"Posted from Sean's John Deere"

[entropy]

I just got done sorting 100 pieces Norma .300 winmag brass into .5gr lots.

Does that count? Lol (BTW they all fell into a 2gr spread with just a couple oddballs.)

[Rich@CCC]

I just snagged a Forster Neck Turning tool at a gun show for stupid cheap($10.00). My next batch of .308 for the bench gun will be my first foray with neck turned brass.

I doubt I'll notice any difference at my current skill level, but we'll see.

[SecondsCount]

Both used:

- Lyman Gen6 for $125 (https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Gen6-Digital-Powder-Measure/dp/B00AU6CIUO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504546872&sr=8-1&keywords=Lyman+Gen6)

OR

- RCBS Chargemaster 1500 w/ scale for $200 (https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-98923-Combo-110V-AC-Chargemaster/dp/B00139UC6O/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1504546957&sr=1-1&keywords=chargemaster+1500+scale)

No experience with the Lyman but I have had good luck with the Chargemaster. I guess there is a straw mod where you put a piece of straw in the dispensing tube to help consistency. $200 is an okay price, I think I have seen them on sale with a rebate for pretty close to that. You may want to check out the newer Chargemaster Lite as I think it is about $200 new and doesn't require the straw mod.

[SecondsCount]

I let Black Hills handle my precision reloading needs. My OCD would be in constant conflict with practical me from start to finish. The battles would probably keep me awake at night.

Fact is, I know what it takes to develop truly superb accuracy from the whole package, and I'm just not willing to half ass any aspect of precision in the precision shooting equation. And I'm just not dedicated enough to put in the time necessary to maintain the shooting skills, let alone loading to such exacting standards. Black Hills can load ammo good enough for my new accuracy requirements of "good enough".

This being lazy/retired shit is pretty sweet!!!

What is good enough for Sean M? 1 MOA?

[Odin Bravo One]

I'm generally happy with <2 minutes for GP. For precision applications, I can live with a minute, so long as it is consistently repeatable. In days gone by, I wasn't happy with anything larger than 1/2 MOA. Needless to say, I spent a lot of time unhappy........

[JM Campbell]

No experience with the Lyman but I have had good luck with the Chargemaster. I guess there is a straw mod where you put a piece of straw in the dispensing tube to help consistency. $200 is an okay price, I think I have seen them on sale with a rebate for pretty close to that. You may want to check out the newer Chargemaster Lite as I think it is about $200 new and doesn't require the straw mod.

My Lyman came with a insert that works pretty good with imr 4046.


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[Clusterfrack]

Chargemaster! I was able to crank out another OCW spread for 6.5 Grendel in about 40 min.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/e54c6934eab9302b4acfd642175eda94.jpg

[JohnO]

Have you seen David Tubb's video on Precision Reloading?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUnrYp0NH38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igse-APgpEc

I have it on DVD and found it very informative.

[SecondsCount]

Chargemaster! I was able to crank out another OCW spread for 6.5 Grendel in about 40 min.


I assume by the powder in that picture that you are dispensing 8208 from the Chargemaster? Mine struggles with 8208 as it dispenses the right amount but every couple rounds it overshoots. I think some powder is falling in after the beep. Makes me wonder if the straw mod will help. The Lee powder measure I have is more consistent and I love 8208 XBR so I am trying to figure out what is going on.

Sorry if this is a derail...

[Clusterfrack]

I assume by the powder in that picture that you are dispensing 8208 from the Chargemaster? Mine struggles with 8208 as it dispenses the right amount but every couple rounds it overshoots. I think some powder is falling in after the beep. Makes me wonder if the straw mod will help. The Lee powder measure I have is more consistent and I love 8208 XBR so I am trying to figure out what is going on.

Sorry if this is a derail...

Yup. 8208XBR. When I bought my CM, I did a firmware mod that makes it more precise. I totally forget how to do that now.

I'll have maybe 1 in 20 overweight by 0.1-0.2gr and for a OCW load that doesn't matter.

H4350 sometimes backs up in the tube and dumps +0.5gr. Then I'll pinch out a few to bring it back to weight.

I've been meaning to try the straw mod...

[Redhat]

I know you've already got your stuff but if you ever start looking at trimmers again, the best I have used is the L.E. Wilson sold by Sinclair Int'l. You can get the most fancy version or the base version (which I have). You will have to have the correct case holder but if you're only loading one or two calibers it's not too bad. It isn't as fast as some but mine has been very accurate.

[Odin Bravo One]

Have you seen David Tubb's video on Precision Reloading?

A buddy married David's daughter.

I once made the mistake of letting him pull me into a reloading discussion.

I get dizzy even thinking about that conversation.

Dude has forgotten more about loading ammunition than most of us combined will ever know.

If I had a set up like the one he has in his shop, I'd never settle for anything less than 1/2 MOA.

[LittleLebowski]

Chargemaster! I was able to crank out another OCW spread for 6.5 Grendel in about 40 min.


Jelly over the Chargemaster.

[Clusterfrack]

Jelly over the Chargemaster.

Wait for a sale...

[LittleLebowski]

Wait for a sale...

It would have to be one hell of a sale #PoorFag (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=PoorFag)

[LittleLebowski]

So, I set up my sizing die per the factory instructions and have been resizing my .308 brass. Physically, it's a bit of an effort, despite trying different types of case lube. Also, the sizing die leaves marks down nearly all of the case body but not, say 90%.

I feel like I'm doing it wrong...but the rounds I've reloaded chamber and shoot well enough.

[mmc45414]

So, I set up my sizing die per the factory instructions and have been resizing my .308 brass. Physically, it's a bit of an effort, despite trying different types of case lube. Also, the sizing die leaves marks down nearly all of the case body but not, say 90%.

I feel like I'm doing it wrong...but the rounds I've reloaded chamber and shoot well enough.

Seems typical to me. You really are doing something that would take some effort. This is where the Rockchucker would be a little nicer.

[mtnbkr]

Seems typical to me. You really are doing something that would take some effort. This is where the Rockchucker would be a little nicer.

I concur. The marks you see on the brass appear to be typical if my own 308 brass is an indicator (using a Redding Body Die). FWIW, I use Imperial Sizing Wax.

Chris

[LittleLebowski]

Seems typical to me. You really are doing something that would take some effort. This is where the Rockchucker would be a little nicer.

I know that the Rockchucker is heavier duty, but I really don't think that this 1967 Jr. is lightweight. It's all steel/iron and beefy as hell. Not my picture, but you get the idea. I also have an Inline Fab handle.

20099

[mmc45414]

I really don't think that this 1967 Jr. is lightweight
Your press is plenty strong, but the RC has a compound leverage system like your 550:
20104

[LittleLebowski]

Ah, copy. Maybe someday I will upgrade. I've tried Imperial Sizing Wax, Royal CaseLube, and homemade lanolin/pure alcohol case lube.

[mmc45414]

Ah, copy. Maybe someday I will upgrade.
I remember when you were trying to sell off the single stage press and I tried to talk you out of it, now you are talking upgrade :)
A Rockchucker is something you can troll for and snag when opportunity presents. BTW, my press in the photo is probably almost as old as yours, I think Dad bought it when I was about 14yo.


I've tried Imperial Sizing Wax, Royal CaseLube, and homemade lanolin/pure alcohol case lube.
It is probably just gonna take some ass, after all a 62,000psi explosion took place inside the case you are squeezing.

Maybe an interim plan could be to setup the 550 for sizing. You could de-prime in the first station with a Lee decapper, they are kinda cool, they have a collet and you can set it loose so it will slide if you get a Berdan or something. What I am doing for 223 is also use a carbide neck button in a subsequent die. This is handy if you stick one, because the top of the die is open and you can drop something in it to drive it out. But then you probably have the 550 setup to do something else and don't wanna tamper with it all the time, but this could be an option.

ETA: Not sure how MUCH leverage you gain, but your shoulder (is the right side the one with issues?) might appreciate it.

[LittleLebowski]

No, my gunshot arm can handle it fine, I was just concerned on whether or not I was doing it right. I gifted the 550 to my brother, I have a 650 now. I also gifted my RCBS Jr2 to this guy (https://www.amazon.com/Tomorrow-War-Serpent-Road-Chronicles-ebook/dp/B01MG7NX58/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1505696064&sr=1-1&keywords=jl+bourne) and he uses it for depriming and processing crimped 5.56

[Clusterfrack]

Dude, full length resizing .308 on the RCBS Jr.? Poor little guy.

I don't do much full length sizing but when I do, I use my buddy's Forster Coax. I only neck size my precision .308 and .260, so that's easy to do on the Jr.

Edit: just read that you're using a Dillon for sizing. Good idea.

[mmc45414]

Edit: just read that you're using a Dillon for sizing. Good idea.
Nah, that wuz my idea.

[butler coach]

A buddy married David's daughter.

I once made the mistake of letting him pull me into a reloading discussion.

I get dizzy even thinking about that conversation.

Dude has forgotten more about loading ammunition than most of us combined will ever know.

If I had a set up like the one he has in his shop, I'd never settle for anything less than 1/2 MOA.

He is one of the nicest guys. Talked to him a few times at perry. One day winds were in the 20 mph range and I was a newer competitor he started conversation with going to be tough or there off hand. I responded with tough for you really fucking tough for some of us. His response. Line up the sights and pull the trigger they will be close enough we have all
Been there.
That made my day and week.


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[Odin Bravo One]

After shooting fish with shotguns, and watching David slaying shit without even having to mount the shotgun, combined with the ballistic and reloading conversation + some time on the bench behind his long range rifle baboon hunting rifle I felt a little out my element.

Fortunately for me, he wanted to shoot the steel ranges at the facility with pistols, and gave me an opportunity for some redemption. I felt much better about myself, and my fragile ego, while scarred, at least healed a little bit after crushing him on every course of fire.

[ralph]

Everyone has an opinion on how to make accurate ammo. Its like a couple of grandmas arguing a cornbread recipie. No winners. Only pursed lips.

Anyhow, to,add my .02....

One of the best investments I made when going down the road of accurate ammo (for my .308 initially) was the neck expander/uniformer die.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/GunTech/Sinclair-Expander-Dies/detail.htm?lid=14794

I spent a lot of time chasing vertical error until someone turned me onto this.

It doesnt take a lot of gizmos to make good ammo. It just takes good consistency.


Thanks for this..I recently set up my 650 with a Dillon size/trim die, for .223 it works quite well holding about -.000 +.002 tolerence. With the casefeeder running, one can size and trim a bunch of cases, like right now. I've got the sizing die set up on station #3 and the die used for neck expansion set up on station #5, to clear the electric motor. The problem with the size/trim die is you need a way to expand the neck after sizing. I've been using a older .223 size die that I adjusted up a bit so that all I was doing was expanding the neck.. it works, but this looks so much better.. I'll probably buy one of these soon. I like this idea alot.. Thanks

[entropy]

Thanks for this..I recently set up my 650 with a Dillon size/trim die, for .223 it works quite well holding about -.000 +.002 tolerence. With the casefeeder running, one can size and trim a bunch of cases, like right now. I've got the sizing die set up on station #3 and the die used for neck expansion set up on station #5, to clear the electric motor. The problem with the size/trim die is you need a way to expand the neck after sizing. I've been using a older .223 size die that I adjusted up a bit so that all I was doing was expanding the neck.. it works, but this looks so much better.. I'll probably buy one of these soon. I like this idea alot.. Thanks

You bet. I've become a firm believer in it. I was struggling one day shooting brand new Lapua brass at 600yd steel. Known good load, windage spot on. I was actually taking chunks out of the t-post. My buddy suspected bad neck tension and got me hooked up with the die. Now I use it on new brass right out of the box to take care of any issues. I also will run it thru after I bump the shoulder to assure inside neck uniformity. After you use it a bit and get familiar to the feel, it all makes sense and you wonder why its not more commonly used.

[ralph]

You bet. I've become a firm believer in it. I was struggling one day shooting brand new Lapua brass at 600yd steel. Known good load, windage spot on. I was actually taking chunks out of the t-post. My buddy suspected bad neck tension and got me hooked up with the die. Now I use it on new brass right out of the box to take care of any issues. I also will run it thru after I bump the shoulder to assure inside neck uniformity. After you use it a bit and get familiar to the feel, it all makes sense and you wonder why its not more commonly used.

Do you need to lube the inside neck of the case to use this die, or can you run them through dry? I don't seen to have a problem with cases stretching, as the OAL's show, but I am using mixed brass, both L.C. and commerical of all kinds, At a minium, I think this will at least make things more consistant.

[entropy]

Lube. Although I have run it dry too. Its the only time I use spray lube. I stack the new cases up and hit the necks with a short blast. Plenty good enough. There is usually enough lube left after bumping the necks to keep it running smooth when I run them thru after sizing. Any lube gets cleaned off when I media tumble right before priming. Its just a simple tapered mandrel. Nothing wiz-bang. The price is right too. For me, I'd say its one of the best investments accuracy-wise I've made. Right up there with my Forster neck bump bushing die.

I freely admit Im a bit anal with brass... But I now run new brass thru the bump die (it doesnt move the neck back but the collet squeezes the diameter down to a consistant size.). I then follow up with thr inside neck uniformer. My world is a happy place then!

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