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HCM
07-21-2017, 04:06 PM
https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/07/19/judge-marine-2a/


On Monday, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) filed a lawsuit against Michigan’s Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) for impeding on foster and adoptive parents’ Second Amendment rights.


"The Johnsons were going to take custody of their grandson to keep him from going into foster care. When they went to pick up their grandson, William, a retired, disabled Marine with a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), was searched for a firearm. He was not carrying a firearm at the time. At that point, agency officials told the Johnsons that they would be required to provide all firearms’ serial numbers to the agency as part of a registry. When Johnson questioned agency workers, he was given a surprising response. “If you want to care for your grandson you will have to give up some of your constitutional rights,” a MDHHS worker retorted. When the Johnsons appeared before a Gogebic County Court judge, the judge reiterated the agency worker’s statement. “We know we are violating numerous constitutional rights here, but if you do not comply, we will remove the boy from your home,” the judge said."]The Johnsons were going to take custody of their grandson to keep him from going into foster care. When they went to pick up their grandson, William, a retired, disabled Marine with a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), was searched for a firearm. He was not carrying a firearm at the time. At that point, agency officials told the Johnsons that they would be required to provide all firearms’ serial numbers to the agency as part of a registry. When Johnson questioned agency workers, he was given a surprising response. “If you want to care for your grandson you will have to give up some of your constitutional rights,” a MDHHS worker retorted. When the Johnsons appeared before a Gogebic County Court judge, the judge reiterated the agency worker’s statement. “We know we are violating numerous constitutional rights here, but if you do not comply, we will remove the boy from your home,” the judge said.


The complaint, linked below, explains the situation better than the article.

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf

Some might say you have a Constitutional Right to Bear Arms, but no Constitutional Right to do foster-care. However, in this instance the child is the plaintiff's grandson rather than someone who simply "wants" to foster a child.

Barring compelling evidence of problems, there is no reason to place a kid with strangers over placing them with family.

ranger
07-21-2017, 04:11 PM
Wow, just wow. Nanny state so quick to take freedoms away - plus what about the child, the state's attitude "we'll just take child and stick him in the system."

blues
07-21-2017, 04:12 PM
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf

That's beyond sad. I sincerely hope they win their case.

From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Michigan...

HCM
07-21-2017, 04:18 PM
Wow, just wow. Nanny state so quick to take freedoms away - plus what about the child, the state's attitude "we'll just take child and stick him in the system."

Pretty much. Call me a Neanderthal or a throw back to the "honor" culture but were that my grandson I would consider that a threat to his safety.

GuanoLoco
07-21-2017, 04:46 PM
Reminder to self - send a check to SAF.

UNK
07-21-2017, 05:10 PM
Reminder to self - send a check to SAF.

It's tax deductible too. https://www.saf.org/donation-page/
Joined and donated.

Drang
07-21-2017, 05:27 PM
SAF is available as an Amazon Smile organization, too.

spinmove_
07-21-2017, 06:27 PM
That's BS. MI is just beyond ridiculous sometimes.


Sent from mah smertfone using tapathingy

UNK
07-21-2017, 06:37 PM
Shouldnt this judge face some sort of consequence as well as the people that put these policies in place. Perhaps a re-education camp or something? Loose a license? Disbarred. I mean what the heck if there are no punishments what is to keep people from acting in such a manner?
There should be a fund set up who's whole purpose is to sue the shit out of people like this.

LittleLebowski
07-21-2017, 07:19 PM
This is cartoonishly bad. Textbook bad. DOJ civil rights violation,

HCM
07-21-2017, 07:26 PM
Shouldnt this judge face some sort of consequence as well as the people that put these policies in place. Perhaps a re-education camp or something? Loose a license? Disbarred. I mean what the heck if there are no punishments what is to keep people from acting in such a manner?
There should be a fund set up who's whole purpose is to sue the shit out of people like this.

Well, are judges in MI appointed or elected ?

Either way political pressure could be brought to bear. MI is generally a 2A friendly state.

I'm also curious how they learned the plaintiff had a CPL and the circumstances of him bring physically searched.

GOTURBACK
07-21-2017, 09:25 PM
Just wow I really hope that the state of Michigan gets slapped hard for this one, totally unbelievable "You will have to give up some of your constitutional rights".

Drang
07-21-2017, 09:32 PM
Have none of you people been paying attention? This is not the first such case, nor the only state.

foster parents and guns at DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=foster+parents+and+guns&atb=v73-3&nvexp=b&ia=news)
SAF Suit Challenging Illinois Foster Parent Gun Rules Can ... (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/dean-weingarten/saf-suit-challenging-illinois-foster-parent-gun-rules-can-proceed/)
Oklahoma Foster Parents Forced to Choose Between Guns and ... (https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/oklahoma-foster-parents-forced-to-choose-between-guns-and-children/)
Foster parents lose kids over legally owned firearm - Guns .com (http://www.guns.com/2015/09/01/foster-parents-lose-kids-over-legally-owned-firearm/)
Couple Loses Foster Parent License over Legally Owned Gun ... (http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/03/couple-loses-foster-parent-license-over-legally-owned-gun)
Gun-Totin' Foster Parents - BlueOregon (https://www.blueoregon.com/2007/07/gun-totin-foste/)

HCM
07-21-2017, 09:36 PM
Have none of you people been paying attention? This is not the first such case, nor the only state.

foster parents and guns at DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=foster+parents+and+guns&atb=v73-3&nvexp=b&ia=news)
SAF Suit Challenging Illinois Foster Parent Gun Rules Can ... (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/dean-weingarten/saf-suit-challenging-illinois-foster-parent-gun-rules-can-proceed/)
Oklahoma Foster Parents Forced to Choose Between Guns and ... (https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/oklahoma-foster-parents-forced-to-choose-between-guns-and-children/)
Foster parents lose kids over legally owned firearm - Guns .com (http://www.guns.com/2015/09/01/foster-parents-lose-kids-over-legally-owned-firearm/)
Couple Loses Foster Parent License over Legally Owned Gun ... (http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/03/couple-loses-foster-parent-license-over-legally-owned-gun)
Gun-Totin' Foster Parents - BlueOregon (https://www.blueoregon.com/2007/07/gun-totin-foste/)

I've heard of this being an issue but this was the first lawsuit I was aware of.

Also the fact that the child in question in the MI case is a blood relative makes this particularly egregious.

RevolverRob
07-21-2017, 10:35 PM
Fostering children and/or adopting children for legal gun-owners are particularly sticky situations in many states. I applaud SAF for taking on this case, it is truly heinous that one must give up constitutional rights, to foster or adopt a child. But one can (if possible) breed out a few dozen without a single iota of fuck given by the state. It is, in my opinion, an effort by the state to not only deliberately limit citizens rights, but also a deliberate attempt to maintain control of foster-car and adoption for monetary and political purposes (afterall if you start letting the kids get adopted by anyone, you can't get more money.). Using children for this type of gain is the height of despicable.

As an aside, when we first moved to Chicago my wife and I considered applying to be foster parents (neither of us have ever felt compelled to have biological children, foster children and children up for adoption need love and support, too). But it only took a day for us to find out we cannot be granted a foster license in IL, because I have a CHL in TX. This made it all the easier to decide ultimately, to not become residents of IL, because it meant I would have to surrender my rights in addition to the financial burden of gaining residency. I don't have the time or will to fight it, here, because I don't intend to live in Illinois forever. So, moving on.

Robinson
07-22-2017, 10:48 PM
Actually it's an outrage. There is no way the stance can be justified.

Jeep
07-23-2017, 01:41 PM
Flagrantly illegal, and a demonstration of much of what is wrong with the modern nanny state.

All that these social workers and judge know about guns is what they were told in classes/the media, and almost all of that is demonstrably false.

Next they will be saying that voting for someone they don't like disqualifies you as well because that person "threatens children."

Meanwhile, they are all too happy to take a kid who needs family and dump him into the system because they can't be blamed for that.

We need to downsize the nanny state ASAP because it is becoming the enemy of ordinary Americans.