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TGS
01-04-2012, 07:41 PM
http://www.beltswords.com/

Click on "Beltsword Weapon System" at the top right and check out the video.

DonovanM
01-04-2012, 09:32 PM
The 21 foot rule Youtube guy must be going nuts over these. "Just hangin out. BOOM, BELTSWORD! AHHH!"

And - wow. While surfing the internet, I haven't been given the option between Broadband and Dialup in at least 3 years.

TGS
01-04-2012, 09:38 PM
"Just hangin out. BOOM, BELTSWORD! AHHH!"


hahahahaha. funniest moment of my day right now. :D

mnealtx
01-04-2012, 10:35 PM
<Blazing Saddles> Excuse me while I whip this out! </Blazing Saddles>

seabiscuit
01-04-2012, 11:18 PM
Now all we need is someone to teach a class on swordfighting.

TGS
01-04-2012, 11:22 PM
Now all we need is someone to teach a class on swordfighting.

I thought that's where the Cold Steel guy comes in to co-teach with F2S and Todd.

Work the bolt! Work the bolt! BOOM, BELTSWORD!

Al T.
01-05-2012, 07:18 AM
When that first came out (2008), one of my buddies tested it and posted the results on THR. Worked better than I would have thought.

TCinVA
01-05-2012, 08:05 AM
The 21 foot rule Youtube guy must be going nuts over these. "Just hangin out. BOOM, BELTSWORD! AHHH!"

I had a conversation with that guy once on another board.

It didn't go well.

Sparks2112
01-05-2012, 09:38 AM
I don't know how I feel about this... :-/

F-Trooper05
01-05-2012, 02:16 PM
I don't know how I feel about this... :-/

I do.

fuse
01-05-2012, 10:39 PM
I thought that's where the Cold Steel guy comes in to co-teach with F2S and Todd.

Work the bolt! Work the bolt! BOOM, BELTSWORD!

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/1362599_02bcdea730.jpg

TommyG
01-06-2012, 09:05 AM
Order the belt sword now and we will include for free (you pay $90.00 in shipping and handling):



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HcVZZCdLRQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1

BaiHu
01-09-2012, 04:06 PM
And what did ToddG say about AIWB? Mmm...lemme see about that...(*typing furiously in search queue*) Ahhh, here it is:



The AIWB mantra: if you fuck up, you die.

Where you go from there is up to you.

So an average concealed pistol length is about 7 inches and the average bore width is under half an inch...meanwhile, the length of the BELTSWORD is 33", with a cutting length of about 27" and then the lucky BUK (back up knife-yeesh, I have to explain everything?) where I've placed in my convenient AIWB knife sheath and BAM! I've got dual wield biyatches!!!

What could possibly go wrong? Hey, maybe we should all pitch in and buy the whole system for 21 foot guy and let him do a dual wield 10.5 foot rule...any takers??

TCinVA, you wanna be the point man :D

Buzz Fledderjohn
01-09-2012, 04:24 PM
whenever i see folks messing with swords the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark instantly pops into my head....

agent-smith
01-10-2012, 08:08 AM
whenever i see folks messing with swords the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark instantly pops into my head....

I always think the utter awesomeness known as "Highlander."

jar
01-10-2012, 10:57 AM
whenever i see folks messing with swords the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark instantly pops into my head....

Did you know that that was originally supposed to be an elaborately choreographed fight? Harrison Ford got dysentery, so he wasn't up to it. He came up with the idea of just shooting the guy instead and Spielberg went for it.

jetfire
01-10-2012, 11:01 AM
Man, I had no idea beltsword was still around. This hit gun blogs back in '08 IIRC, but back then I shit you not, they had a topless model whipping that thing around. It was just weird. Actually, a quick check of youtube shows me that the ad still exists. NSFW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7jq7qKNnUk).

Jac
01-10-2012, 11:42 AM
Caleb, you just made/ruined my day. Thank you, and please never do that again...

jetfire
01-10-2012, 01:28 PM
I have been on these internets FOREVER.

fuse
01-11-2012, 01:06 AM
Ahh yes. She's got that porn star look.

TCinVA
01-12-2012, 02:54 PM
What could possibly go wrong? Hey, maybe we should all pitch in and buy the whole system for 21 foot guy and let him do a dual wield 10.5 foot rule...any takers??

TCinVA, you wanna be the point man :D

Jesus loves him, even in spite of the nonsense he put on youtube.

The moral obligation that places upon me is somewhat vague, but I'm pretty sure I must at least refrain from handing him scissors and running shoes.

Super J
01-25-2012, 04:30 PM
Wow....wow...wow.

RazorMan
02-17-2014, 04:04 PM
Wow....wow...wow.

One of my friends told me about an old post on your forum, and since there is a lot of misinformation; I thought it may be a good idea to set the record straight.

First I am not trying to sell any of our weapon systems here; because most of our clients are elite law enforcement, SOF, and the occasional magician that wants to use one of our weapon systems in his magic act.

Our systems are designed for covert operations. Let’s say I was going to a foreign land and needed a weapon that was prohibited in that country. I could transport a full size sword, and concealment system through all the high-tech security systems; including a full body search, and search of all my belongings. Once I arrived to this foreign destination; I would have my 33” full size RazorSword concealed in my BeltSword containment system.

In a CQB situation many operators will not go for their handgun first; rather to create separation – an edged weapon will be deployed. The RazorSword contained in the BeltSword Weapon System may be used as a backup weapon; however some modern warriors use swords as primary weapons…even against a hand gun. In CQB the Filipino Marines (SOF) prefer the Ginunting sword to a handgun, and use the sword in operations against insurgent groups. http://gonkafied.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-sword-as-weapon-in-modern-combat.html

I can deploy a RazorSword faster than a concealed carry handgun and crush through concrete blocks without any significant damage to the blade. To say that the BeltSword weapon system is better than a handgun would be foolish; equally foolish is to state that a handgun is better than the RazorSword. It depends upon the environment and your specific situation. Even if you successfully deploy your handgun in a life/death situation; unless you practice “dry fire drills” at least several times each week – “the fog of war” may cost you your life.

Most concealed carry holders do not carry their handgun very often; our various edged weapons can be carried 100% of the time…even at the beach…even swimming. (We can hide a 6” to 8” dagger under a small woman’s bikini) Chances are; when you really need your handgun…you won’t have it. If you are ambushed; you may be better off having an edged weapon of some sort. (The RazorDagger was designed at the request of undercover drug enforcement agents)

In summary; the only bad weapon…the one you think will solve all your problems. Below is an article written by an expert in counter terrorism; they have training contracts internationally.

Very respectfully, Curtis W. Koehler - www.RazorRazor.com

By Aaron Cunningham – Counter-Terrorism Expert - www.ittacorp.org

This article seeks to display the contemporary innovations of Curtis W. Koehler from the RazorRazor Company; whose tools are in the tradition of covert weapons. He began his quest to improve survivability with edged weapons and concealment systems in 1998. This journey has led him to study metallurgy and to experiment endlessly, in a long period of trial and error, which led to a range of rapidly deployable and highly concealed knives and swords from behind the worn belt.

He has received considerable attention and inside acclaim from within elite US Law Enforcement units and the military SOF community. These unique tools are filling an important niche and are carried by career practitioners here in the US and in hostile environments overseas.

The daggers and sheathing systems created and advanced by Koehler originally came at the calling of an elite narcotics unit conducting regular undercover operations. The current product was developed with specific input and guidance from that Narcotics Bureau. His concealed belt sword system has spent time in Afghanistan where it has been worn operationally by SOF members up to 18 hours a day. He has received kudos for his efforts from now retired US FBI Special Agent Robert Taubert who was instrumental in the development of HRT and acted as agency liaison for many US Special Operations units.

The knife systems advanced by Curtis meets the zero compromise criteria imposed by covert operations and meets professional standards for time critical deployment under emergency conditions. This system will reliably enable sub-second deployment of a knife under stress.

Aaron Cunningham is the acting President of the International Tactical Training Association and a lifetime practitioner and noted instructor of edged weapon tactics and training. ITTA conducts international training – counter terrorism measures. Mr. Curtis W. Koehler may be contacted at creative@wi.rr.com. (414) 303-3000 Web Site: www.RazorRazor.com

Complete Article – The Link: http://www.bluetoad.com/article/Covert+Tools/1491645/0/article.html

Mr_White
02-17-2014, 05:18 PM
and crush through concrete blocks without any significant damage to the blade

...

unless you practice “dry fire drills” at least several times each week – “the fog of war” may cost you your life.

Good thing for me I dry fire a lot, now I don't have to fear the fog of war.

That said, I think the beltsword is awesome!

I'd like to see concrete blocks getting crushed through by the beltsword. Got any video? That would be pretty sweet!

Erik
02-17-2014, 05:36 PM
I'd like to see concrete blocks getting crushed through by the beltsword. Got any video? That would be pretty sweet!

Agreed. I had dismissed the beltsword as a novelty, but if it can crush concrete blocks and it's easy to get past airport security, maybe it's worth a second look.

Al T.
02-17-2014, 05:41 PM
Heck with the sword, I'm, uh, interested in the young lady. I remember the first and much better video. :cool:

TR675
02-17-2014, 06:03 PM
I'd like to see concrete blocks getting crushed through by the beltsword. Got any video? That would be pretty sweet!

Oh yeah! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISfgF9Lxw4&feature=share&list=PLLUToAmGkZC9YyJw4JSZ1mP4rnSYngib2&index=3)

Haraise
02-18-2014, 12:27 AM
Torn between laughing and wanting one. The topless video makes it seem like that paintball AR trigger, but other parts seem actually legit.

John Ralston
02-18-2014, 12:44 AM
Nothing like digging up a necro thread from 2+ years ago to set things straight...I mean after almost 1-1/2 pages of discussion I think everyone was getting confused about what it is or is not.

Slavex
02-18-2014, 12:50 AM
didn't we go through this years ago on 9x19.com or something?
I'd like to see a hands relaxed at sides timed video comparison to a concealed pistol draw. No prepping the sword or anything. On the beep get it out and smash something.

TheTrevor
02-18-2014, 01:50 AM
didn't we go through this years ago on 9x19.com or something?
I'd like to see a hands relaxed at sides timed video comparison to a concealed pistol draw. No prepping the sword or anything. On the beep get it out and smash something.

Now I'm going to have to try this with an iaito (unsharpened katana-length steel sword) against decreasing par times just because I'm curious as to how it will stack up against my pistol D1 times. I'm thinking draw to strike against vertical 1x2 post at conversational distance.

Slavex
02-18-2014, 03:33 AM
I've seen draws from a standard sword setup that would easily beat most of the top shooters on the planet. At a distance of 2ft though.

TheTrevor
02-18-2014, 04:05 AM
I've seen draws from a standard sword setup that would easily beat most of the top shooters on the planet. At a distance of 2ft though.

I used to regularly win the 1:1 quick-draw "duels" at the dojo, but it's been a year or two. Looking forward to trying this tomorrow.

David Armstrong
02-19-2014, 04:35 PM
Now all we need is someone to teach a class on swordfighting.

Would you prefer fencing or samurai??

RazorMan
02-19-2014, 05:08 PM
Good thing for me I dry fire a lot, now I don't have to fear the fog of war.

That said, I think the beltsword is awesome!

I'd like to see concrete blocks getting crushed through by the beltsword. Got any video? That would be pretty sweet!

If you go to www.RazorRazor.com - go to menu - click on videos. Videos #22 thru #29 show various concrete cutting. Go to FAQ for independent tests from US Military and sword experts. The article from SWAT magizine was written by the founder of the FBI's elite HRT.

If for some reason our vides do not load - we have a link to the same videos on YouTube

VR Curtis W. Koehler

Mr_White
02-19-2014, 05:15 PM
If you go to www.RazorRazor.com - go to menu - click on videos. Videos #22 thru #29 show various concrete cutting. Go to FAQ for independent tests from US Military and sword experts. The article from SWAT magizine was written by the founder of the FBI's elite HRT.

If for some reason our vides do not load - we have a link to the same videos on YouTube

VR Curtis W. Koehler

Thank you.

I did find your website and watched a couple of videos.

I think the Belt Sword looks pretty awesome.

Since the sword goes in the sheath and acts as a belt, I'm curious if it is compatible with solid, single kydex loops as found on many pistol holsters?

RazorMan
02-19-2014, 05:36 PM
Thank you.

I did find your website and watched a couple of videos.

I think the Belt Sword looks pretty awesome.

Since the sword goes in the sheath and acts as a belt, I'm curious if it is compatible with solid, single kydex loops as found on many pistol holsters?

If you are asking if you could conceal carry a handgun onto the belt that retains the BeltSword; it depends upon the placement of your handgun. Since the RazorSword should not wrap all the way around your waist; there should be a section of belt 6-10 inches long where there is no sword. (Depending upon how you wear the system - this may be on your right or left side. As long as your handgun is on the outside of your belt...it should work.

Trying to conceal a handgun on the inner side of the belt may create discomfort due to the spring and slight pressure from the RazorSword. That being said; we had a customer that had a weight problem and never had a pair of pants fit well with a belt. The BeltSword created enough reverse pressure; that he now loves the feeling of comfort derived from wearing the BeltSword Weapon System. I never would have guessed this in a million years.

VR Curtis W. Koehler

Slavex
02-19-2014, 07:34 PM
so one needs to have a belt on, under the sword to keep their pants up, or to hold an IWB pistol?

Casual Friday
02-20-2014, 06:25 AM
Suck it Clinch Pick, I've got a frickin' belt sword!

Mr_White
02-20-2014, 09:58 AM
Suck it Clinch Pick, I've got a frickin' belt sword!

Which Belt Sword did you get?

;)

I really kind of like the idea. I would definitely like to run around with a sword without looking like it. Street Samurai FTW. I'm not so sure it's going to work with my other belt-carried gear though. :(

RazorMan
02-20-2014, 12:41 PM
so one needs to have a belt on, under the sword to keep their pants up, or to hold an IWB pistol?

You do not need to have a separate belt. The BeltSword Weapon System is the leather belt; but is has a steel linked containment system fastened to the inside of the belt. Depending whether you sharpen the blade or not; the containment system is anywhere from 5-inches to 18 inches long. (You can customize the length of the containment system) You would mount your holster to the the BeltSword (leather belt) just like any other belt. As long as the holster is attached to the outside of the belt; you should be fine.

You cannot place a holster over some portions of the sword; this could interfere with deployment. Since most of the containment system is on your backside; this allows you to attach a holster to your right or left side. The choice between your right or left side will be determined by which direction you thread the belt (BeltSword) around your waist. I never tried it; but in theory you could attach a holster over the steel containment clips on your backside.

The BeltSword looks like any other black leather belt. You could look at me from just a foot or two away; you will have no idea that there is 33-inches of razor sharp steel under my simple black leather belt.

Curtis W. Koehler

RazorMan
02-20-2014, 12:56 PM
Agreed. I had dismissed the beltsword as a novelty, but if it can crush concrete blocks and it's easy to get past airport security, maybe it's worth a second look.

I wish to be 100% clear! First I do not recommend that you take any weapon through airport security. Second, the ability to beat a security system is meant only for authorized US Federal Agents traveling to a foreign country.

Finally there is a certain amount of preparation and "trickory" used to beat the security system. In simple terms; the steel will be seen by scanners...so "trickory" is used. Yes, I know how to do it; would I NO! Will I tell anyone that is not an authorized US Federal Agent - NO

We view our responsibility to protect people, and to assist law enforcement. TSA has one of our systems.

Curtis W. Koehler

Haraise
02-20-2014, 04:47 PM
...TSA has one of our systems.

Curtis W. Koehler

Aaaaaand lost my interest.

Jay Cunningham
02-20-2014, 07:45 PM
Do you work for someone RazorMan?


Disclose any commercial interest you have in a product or vendor. This can be done in your signature.

ToddG
02-20-2014, 11:28 PM
TSA has one of our systems.

How and why?

Did they confiscate it off of someone who is now going to prison? Did you send a free one to someone? Did the agency specifically request one for testing? If the last, was it because they wanted to test it as a potential issued piece of gear or because they wanted to test airport screening to see if it would be detected?

Also, to reiterate Jay Cunningham, if you have a financial interest in the industry you are required to disclose it in your profile or your signature.

RazorMan
02-21-2014, 10:01 AM
How and why?

Did they confiscate it off of someone who is now going to prison? Did you send a free one to someone? Did the agency specifically request one for testing? If the last, was it because they wanted to test it as a potential issued piece of gear or because they wanted to test airport screening to see if it would be detected?

Also, to reiterate Jay Cunningham, if you have a financial interest in the industry you are required to disclose it in your profile or your signature.

The TSA ordered one of the BeltSword Weapon Systems to determine if it could evade their security systems. They purchased the system; however we gave than an additional RazorSword at no cost.

In spring of 2014 we have been invited to demo our systems to the FBI-PTU in Quantico.

Thank you for the disclosure information - I was not aware of this. And yes I am the CEO (Chief Edged Officer) of the RazorRazor Company. This weekend I will add that to my profile.

VR, Curtis W. Koehler

Wheeler
02-22-2014, 05:39 AM
I did not watch all the videos on the website, just the ones posted here. The video with the blocks....those aren't concrete those are cinder blocks. Quite a bit of difference in density and such between the two.

RazorMan
02-22-2014, 01:26 PM
I did not watch all the videos on the website, just the ones posted here. The video with the blocks....those aren't concrete those are cinder blocks. Quite a bit of difference in density and such between the two.

With all due respect you miss the point. Please let me know of another sword 33 inches in length now or in history - that you can

1. Totally conceal while wearing only a pair of shorts

2. Deploys faster than a concealed carry handgun

3. Will crush 100's of cinder blocks with only denting the blade - no real permanent damage (When I worked construction in college we called them concrete blocks)

4. In addition to the concrete blocks, we struck a "cinder slab"...concrete slab 68 times with only small dents to the blade edge - this was after hitting the concrete blocks several hundred times - after a long destructive testing process we did get the laminations to separate - but it took only 8-minutes to re-laminate the blades to factory specs - I continue to use that very RazorSword to this day.

http://www.razorrazor.com/site/razorsword-destructive-testing-maintenance-re-lamination/ - go to video #29

5. Finally a sword that is also being used in modern warfare by US Special Operations.

http://www.razorrazor.com/site/faq/department-of-defense/ - If you go to this link you will find a letter and the gift of our American Flag that proudly flew over HQ in Afghanistan.

If the videos on the RazorRazor web site do not load please go to our YouTube channel and view video #29 for the concrete slab test.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcnoM_TsTLbhwQ1NvYJLRPA

VR Curtis W. Koehler - CEO RazorRazor

JM Campbell
02-22-2014, 01:48 PM
Clinch Pic....all I need.

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TR675
02-22-2014, 02:03 PM
5. Finally a sword that is also being used in modern warfare by US Special Operations.

And you can confirm that it is actually being used by a military unit? Or even any individual soldier?

Mike C
02-22-2014, 02:16 PM
TR675, my sentiments exactly.

RazorMan,

First off I will say that it is an interesting concept. It is certainly innovative and I do believe that there is a place for a small to medium fixed blade for use in defensive roles. So please do not take offense to what I am about to say.

Personally, I would not be so bold as to make a claim that it deploys faster than a concealed handgun. (Something like a Clinch pic I can see that). I am not saying that this claim isn't possible in some cases where some individuals are not putting in the time and effort to practice but I don't know that this would be true in every case. I would have to see that put to test. I have seen some pretty fast draws even off hip. Let alone AIWB. You should probably post some statistical data to prove your point. It would certainly reduce some of the skepticism.

As well, I believe that your claim that a sword is being used in modern warfare is a stretch. I looked at your website via the link you posted and there is a thank you letter for sending a gift by your company to an unnamed unit, and a certificate for the flag that was bestowed upon the task force commander. The certificate that is signed bestowing the flag is signed by a Major of the military police branch and a CSM of an unknown branch. But that is it. There are no claims of use for your product in combat. Wearing your product is one thing, putting it to use in a firefight or while conducting MOUT operations is another. Based on my personal experience I can tell you I wouldn't put down my gov. issued M4 or my M9 to whip out my belt sword while clearing a building.

Again I am not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful but some of these claims are just that.

RazorMan
02-22-2014, 02:58 PM
TR675, my sentiments exactly.

RazorMan,

First off I will say that it is an interesting concept. It is certainly innovative and I do believe that there is a place for a small to medium fixed blade for use in defensive roles. So please do not take offense to what I am about to say.

Personally, I would not be so bold as to make a claim that it deploys faster than a concealed handgun. (Something like a Clinch pic I can see that). I am not saying that this claim isn't possible in some cases where some individuals are not putting in the time and effort to practice but I don't know that this would be true in every case. I would have to see that put to test. I have seen some pretty fast draws even off hip. Let alone AIWB. You should probably post some statistical data to prove your point. It would certainly reduce some of the skepticism.

As well, I believe that your claim that a sword is being used in modern warfare is a stretch. I looked at your website via the link you posted and there is a thank you letter for sending a gift by your company to an unnamed unit, and a certificate for the flag that was bestowed upon the task force commander. The certificate that is signed bestowing the flag is signed by a Major of the military police branch and a CSM of an unknown branch. But that is it. There are no claims of use for your product in combat. Wearing your product is one thing, putting it to use in a firefight or while conducting MOUT operations is another. Based on my personal experience I can tell you I wouldn't put down my gov. issued M4 or my M9 to whip out my belt sword while clearing a building.

Again I am not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful but some of these claims are just that.

First I never represented that there are thousands of military operators wearing our system. But over the years there have been plenty of orders from various military. So we are the only manufacturer in the world that has US Military using our swords.

Please give me credit for at least some common sense; of course an M4 is preferred over a sword. The operators I know carry the RazorSword as a back-up weapon.

I really love old clichés; so let’s put our money where our mouth is! As far as the speed in which we can draw our weapons; I will have my legal counsel contact your counsel, and each of us place $5,000 cash into a trust account. Winner takes all.

Wearing only a pair of shorts, and a tight fitting tank top; we draw - a contest to see who can pull their weapon faster. You with your totally concealed handgun, me with the totally concealed BeltSword Weapon System; but again the weapons need to be concealed.

Just to let you know; the agent (In the 80’s) that was the primary founder of the FBI’s elite HRT – is betting on me. He is one of the best handgun experts in the bureaus history.

This should be an easy $5,000 for you; after all I am a 61 year old man. I can barely squeak out 22 pulls ups anymore.

Let’s have some fun!

VR Curtis W. Koehler

JM Campbell
02-22-2014, 03:04 PM
It serriously comes down to silly bets?

This isn't the wild west high noon at the OK corral.

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RazorMan
02-22-2014, 03:25 PM
And you can confirm that it is actually being used by a military unit? Or even any individual soldier?

The quote below may be found on the link below. The actual quote is towards the end of his assessment.

http://www.sword-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5467 – Link to the quote below – an independent test in the Middle East.

Jonathan Sarge QUOTE “One last thing of note: Currently, there are other Belt Swords in use over here in the combat theater. I was not originally aware of this, but apparently some of the special operations guys have been using the Belt Sword system for some time. Another service member watching my test cutting had seen the Belt Sword previously in another operating base in Afghanistan, which I found to be amusing. And here I thought I was unique!” END QUOTE


Review July 2011 by Jonathan Sarge from SBG (Sword Buyers Guide Forum)
Testing was conducted in the Middle East during wartime
Jonathan Sarge has served as a Department of Defense contractor under CENTCOM in the Middle East. Since the late 80’s, he has served with the United States Army as a military police officer, and worked as civilian law enforcement officer and investigator. He has a martial arts background as a student in Jeet Kune Do, Kali-Escrima, military and law enforcement defensive tactics, and as an instructor in Italian Two-Handed swordsmanship. Jonathan is an avid collector of Medieval European weaponry and armour, in addition to being well-founded in the antiquities community. He is also known as an unbiased, practical reviewer of quality-made swords from around the world

Mike C
02-22-2014, 03:30 PM
I don't even know how to respond to that. Are you seriously going to challenge everyone who questions your product to a duel?

RazorMan
02-22-2014, 03:36 PM
It serriously comes down to silly bets?

This isn't the wild west high noon at the OK corral.

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If we were having a couple of beers and I said let's test who is faster...just for fun...everyone would say; "let's do it". But when you add a couple of bucks, and the other party knows they will lose, they call it silly. Now that is silly!!!

I take weapons very serious, and if any one even begins to suggest that I may be anything less than 110% accurate - well...I am afraid that will not fly.

So if you really believe you are correct; let's put her to the test.

VR Curtis W. Koehler

JM Campbell
02-22-2014, 03:42 PM
First I don't drink and carry not happening buddy.

So you have a product that has a limited purpose, cool props to you. I'm personally not sold and don't use gear just because some SOF personal do.

I sir am not a lemming.

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Mike C
02-22-2014, 03:47 PM
One last comment and I am going to bow out seeing as how logic will probably not prevail.

Direct quote, " 5. Finally a sword that is also being used in modern warfare by US Special Operations."

As I have previously stated, carrying one and using one in combat are two completely different things. Secondly, I doubt that I am the only one here who interpreted your statement to directly imply that US Special Operations are using these weapons in combat. By the way, in no way did I say you represented that thousands of US Special Operations troops were using this item. Do not try to misdirect the argument and do not twist my statement. You want to make a manufacturers claim then by all means back up your statement with factual data, by the way I highly doubt any 15-6's have been filled out outlining the use of lethal force with a Belt Sword. Frankly, I am tired of businesses boasting of Soldiers using their product as a way to boost sales. It is despicable. Back up your claims with facts, not gimmicks or a play on words.

I will part with this. It is ridiculous and unprofessional that you would challenge someone to a duel on an open forum simply because someone requested factual or hard data to your claim.

RazorMan
02-22-2014, 03:49 PM
I don't even know how to respond to that. Are you seriously going to challenge everyone who questions your product to a duel?

Call me old fashioned; but yes!

Please accept my sincerest thanks, and with the highest regards to your service of our country. However, if there is a question about the accuracy of my statements – I have no choice but to defend it.

If you would like to conduct the “duel” without a wager; I am up for anything.

I will act as a gentleman, and with all due respect.

VR Curtis W. Koehler

Jay Cunningham
02-22-2014, 03:52 PM
Curtis,

Feel free to come to an arrangement with Staff to sell your product in the Supporting Business Forum (http://pistol-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Supporting-Business-Forum).

RazorMan
02-22-2014, 03:52 PM
When and where