6 Days: The SAS and the Iranian Embassy Siege

[Chance]

I really hope this doesn't suck. Hopefully this is more '13 Hours' and less 'Strike-Back'.

The Global Recon podcast (https://soundcloud.com/global-recon/grp-83-the-iranian-embassy-siege-sas-staff-sergeant-rusty-firmin) had the leader of blue team on the siege just recently. Interesting listen if you've the time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcGUIEz6SHA

[Peally]

Untold story? The SAS stormed the building and killed those mofos on live TV :D

[Guerrero]

I really hope this doesn't suck. Hopefully this is more '13 Hours' and less 'Strike-Back'.

You say that as if "Strike Back" was bad.

[voodoo_man]

You say that as if "Strike Back" was bad.

Seriously, strike back was pretty good for what it was.

[Guerrero]

Seriously, strike back was pretty good for what it was.

Exactly.

[blues]

You say that as if "Strike Back" was bad.

Personally, I (barely) made it through one season and then I just couldn't take it anymore.

[TheNewbie]

I haven't watched strike back. I figured it was some more political correct rubbish. Is it not?

[heyscooter]

Well you can hate Strike Back all you want, but I hope nothing is anything like 13 Hours.

Strike Back was awesome. It was like 24 on HGH.

[Lester Polfus]

I haven't watched strike back. I figured it was some more political correct rubbish. Is it not?

Depends on what you mean by politically correct. I found that it had some moral ambiguity, and characters that while highly functional at their jobs, were pretty dysfunctional otherwise, kinda like real life.

It also had lots of boobs.

[TheNewbie]

Well you can hate Strike Back all you want, but I hope nothing is anything like 13 Hours.

Strike Back was awesome. It was like 24 on HGH.


What did you not like about 13 hours?


By PC I mean not identifying the real evil we face, saying men and women are the same (yes men and women are equal lol ), portraying non leftists as radicals , etc. you know , mainstream thought.

[Chance]

You say that as if "Strike Back" was bad.

I tried 'Strike Back,' repeatedly, and I just couldn't.

[Peally]

Different strokes. I can't stand most TV shows.

[voodoo_man]

I tried 'Strike Back,' repeatedly, and I just couldn't.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/efe64dd50b8dbc09f373b5a5efeefa16/tumblr_ndttro6CfU1si9fjqo1_500.gif

[TheNewbie]

Different strokes. I can't stand most TV shows.

Same way. Magnum PI is my favorite tv show of all time.

[TheNewbie]

Oh and on topic, I hope this movie is great!!!!

[olstyn]

It also had lots of boobs.

I like boobs at least as much as any other guy, but the sex in Strike Back was almost 100% superfluous in terms of the story. It seemed like they were trying to meet a minimum skin quota per episode or something.

[Guerrero]

I like boobs at least as much as any other guy, but the sex in Strike Back was almost 100% superfluous in terms of the story. It seemed like they were trying to meet a minimum skin quota per episode or something.

Not seeing the down-side...

[Chance]

Not seeing the down-side...

Some of us like a story, dude...

[ranger]

My biggest complaint with Strike Back is the last season is not free on Prime!

[voodoo_man]

Some of us like a story, dude...

Story?

Guess you used to buy the Playboy's for the articles too, right?

[Hambo]

I hope this movie is well done.

For the record I couldn't take ten minutes of of Strike Back.

[Casual Friday]

I watch fictional tv shows to be entertained. Strike Back did just that, well except for the first british season with the guy from the Walking Dead. That one was terrible.

[Chance]

Story?

Guess you used to buy the Playboy's for the articles too, right?

Before they moved into the era of reviewing yachting socks, Playboy was definitely worth a read. Unfortunately, I was about 10 when the irrelevant era crept around (e.g., the birth of the world wide web), and I missed out on all the intellectual shit. Now I just listen to NPR, and have a subscription to porn sites on the side.


ETA:
...I just read what I wrote. The saddest thing is not that I pay for porn, it's that I pay for NPR.

[TGS]

What did you not like about 13 hours?

I can't speak for Heyscooter, but I'm going to danger that we're coming at it from the same lens and background.

While 13 Hours was a well done flick, it had some pretty glaring and intentional inaccuracies. The inaccuracies are overtly offensive to many individuals.

A while ago SeanM said not to believe any sort of "documentary" that is first in the business of making money; I understand what he's talking about now that I'm actually on the job.

[voodoo_man]

Before they moved into the era of reviewing yachting socks, Playboy was definitely worth a read. Unfortunately, I was about 10 when the irrelevant era crept around (e.g., the birth of the world wide web), and I missed out on all the intellectual shit. Now I just listen to NPR, and have a subscription to porn sites on the side.


ETA:
...I just read what I wrote. The saddest thing is not that I pay for porn, it's that I pay for NPR.

We all have our vices.

I am specifically talking about NPR.

[TheNewbie]

I can't speak for Heyscooter, but I'm going to danger that we're coming at it from the same lens and background.

While 13 Hours was a well done flick, it had some pretty glaring and intentional inaccuracies. The inaccuracies are overtly offensive to many individuals.

A while ago SeanM said not to believe any sort of "documentary" that is first in the business of making money; I understand what he's talking about now that I'm actually on the job.


Can you elaborate on the inaccuracies? I believe you and I'm genuinely curious.

I watch movies like 13 hours as tributes to good guys fighting evil. I doubt they are totally accurate.

[TGS]

Can you elaborate on the inaccuracies?

Unfortunately no. Sorry, I know it's aggravating.

[JSGlock34]

I've always enjoyed the various Osprey Elite books since I was a kid. This was a good read, with a number of photographs I hadn't seen before, as well as some interesting details (e.g. one of the SAS troopers experienced a first round stoppage with his MP5 necessitating transition to the Browning Hi-Power to finish the fight).

Who Dares Wins: The SAS and the Iranian Embassy Siege 1980 (Raid) (https://www.amazon.com/Who-Dares-Wins-Iranian-Embassy/dp/1846033950/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1499742564&sr=8-2&keywords=osprey+elite+raid)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81FvpsE3l2L.jpg

The Imperial War Museum in London also has a neat display on the raid, including one of the models used to plan the operation. One of my favorite museums (terrific WWI exhibit).

https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8623/15445224284_ccab89fb15_b.jpg

[Guerrero]

Chance, sorry for threadjacking for a bit there. Back on topic: I think the trailer looks pretty cool. A couple of years ago, I happened across a documentary of the siege. I was completely blown away by how fast the SAS tooled up and constructed mock-ups of the embassy and how hard they drilled for the take-down.

HK should thank this incident for why all the "cool kids" had to have MP5's after seeing them in the hands of the SAS.

[Irelander]

Trailer looks cool. I'll pay to watch it.

[Chance]

The gentleman they interview in the podcast I linked to wrote a book on the subject. It's $3 on Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/Go-Definitive-Inside-Iranian-Embassy-ebook/dp/B072L5XYF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499800827&sr=8-1&keywords=go%21+go%21+go%21+iranian).

Ooh, and with Prime Day, buy any Kindle book and get %40 off your next Kindle book. I can't link to it, just look at their eBook deals.

[Lester Polfus]

Strike Back and Bewbs aside, I'm looking forward to the movie. Until then we'll have to make do with this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ORXejNlcrQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw2b06X_1F8

I wore out a VHS of that movie in my youth...

[Lester Polfus]

The gentleman they interview in the podcast I linked to wrote a book on the subject. It's $3 on Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/Go-Definitive-Inside-Iranian-Embassy-ebook/dp/B072L5XYF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499800827&sr=8-1&keywords=go%21+go%21+go%21+iranian).

Ooh, and with Prime Day, buy any Kindle book and get %40 off your next Kindle book. I can't link to it, just look at their eBook deals.

Cool. Bought it.

[John Hearne]

Kind of related story: I was teaching an impromptu concealed carry for LE class at a SWAT conference several years ago. I look up in the middle of the block and Phil Singleton is sitting there watching me teach. Utterly surreal.

[JSGlock34]

The gentleman they interview in the podcast I linked to wrote a book on the subject. It's $3 on Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/Go-Definitive-Inside-Iranian-Embassy-ebook/dp/B072L5XYF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499800827&sr=8-1&keywords=go%21+go%21+go%21+iranian).

Ooh, and with Prime Day, buy any Kindle book and get %40 off your next Kindle book. I can't link to it, just look at their eBook deals.

Just finished the Podcast and bought the book. Thanks!

[Trooper224]

I loved Strike Back. It was ridiculous and I found it highly entertaining. Fortunately, I have the ability to pull the tactical tampon out of my mangina and relax when it comes to entertainment. I enjoyed 13 Hours. I went in knowing it was a Michael Bay film, so I was slightly surprised Optimus Prime and Marky Mark didn't show up to save the day, with an underage hottie wearing booty shorts in tow. Was it authentic? Couldn't say, I wasn't there.

I was stoked to see 6 Days when I first saw the trailer a while back. I ran into some SAS blokes back during my servitude to Uncle Sugar and I liked those boys a lot, characters all. Will it be accurate? Don't know, I was fifteen at the time and far away, but I bet it will entertain.

[Lester Polfus]

Fortunately, I have the ability to pull the tactical tampon out of my mangina and relax when it comes to entertainment.

;) golf clap

[BobM]

Anyone see this yet? It's not showing yet in my little town so I may have to venture toward Cincinnati or Dayton.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Very glad to see The Final Option finally get mentioned. I think I first saw it in a theater in West Germany, with German sub-titles. Later I ended up with a VHS copy that long ago died.

Best line: Move your arse, ma'an!

I'm looking forward to seeing this one.

[Chance]

I read the gentleman's book that I linked to earlier. He is not Mark Bowden (I finished 'Guests of the Ayatollah (https://www.amazon.com/Guests-Ayatollah-Hostage-Americas-Militant-ebook/dp/B008UX8GH8/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1502152405&sr=1-1&keywords=guests+of+the+ayatollah)' not too long ago; probably the best recounting of a prolonged hostage crisis one could hope for), but he does give a pretty good idea of what the circumstances were by the time the rescue was launched. He does a good job describing how hostage situations are handled with regard to negotiations, et cetera (at least as I understand them based on other things I've read (https://www.amazon.com/Stalling-Time-Life-Hostage-Negotiator-ebook/dp/B003EY7JE4/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1502153072&sr=1-1&keywords=stalling+for+time)), but I would have liked more information on who the hostages and the terrorists were, as individuals.

His description of the raid is pretty good, but I have no idea how accurate it is: I'm told by folks in the know that the British investigation into the outcome is withering in detail, but all of that is classified, so I have no way of knowing one way or the other. His description of some of the things that went wrong is very interesting.

Amongst the SAS, there was at least one suspected ND, one self-inflicted GSW, and one failure-to-fire. The Red Team leader famously got hung while abseiling down a wall, and then suffered burns when curtains inside the embassy caught on fire. A number of assaulters were saved because pins weren't removed from grenades. There were a number of other revelations, but I don't have the book in front of me. The stumbles they made are refreshingly honest, and it just goes to show that the best of the best will stumble.

All-in-all, it's worth a read. I'm curious to see how well the dramatization holds up.

[Big A]

Anyone see this yet? It's not showing yet in my little town so I may have to venture toward Cincinnati or Dayton.

According to The Google it hits U.S. theaters August 18th.

[TiroFijo]

In the meantime:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQ2x42WoMU

[TiroFijo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRl1otDRbTM

[TheNewbie]

I wonder how morally foolish you have to be to think excessive force was used in that incident.

Discovery used to be a great channel with good documentary shows.

[Ndbbm]

It isn’t showing anywhere close to me but is available for purchase (iTunes). I purchased a copy and it’s a good movie. I particularly liked the order not to use smoke grenades to screen the assault force from the tv cameras because PM Thatcher wanted people to see what happens to terrorists that do bad things. The presenting of an emotional conflict for a negotiator to set someone up for the intervention unit is a little annoying to me but it is a movie. It’s worth a watch.

Jason

[JSGlock34]

It isn’t showing anywhere close to me but is available for purchase (iTunes). I purchased a copy and it’s a good movie. I particularly liked the order not to use smoke grenades to screen the assault force from the tv cameras because PM Thatcher wanted people to see what happens to terrorists that do bad things. The presenting of an emotional conflict for a negotiator to set someone up for the intervention unit is a little annoying to me but it is a movie. It’s worth a watch.

Jason

Well, look at that. It's also already available from Amazon for the same price...thanks for the tip!

https://www.amazon.com/6-Days-Mark-Strong/dp/B0748N97RR/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1503451840&sr=8-8&keywords=six+days
(https://www.amazon.com/6-Days-Mark-Strong/dp/B0748N97RR/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1503451840&sr=8-8&keywords=six+days)

[JSGlock34]

It’s on Netflix now.

[Peally]

I wonder how morally foolish you have to be to think excessive force was used in that incident.

Discovery used to be a great channel with good documentary shows.

Down to brass tacks I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people here agree the best terrorist is a dead one. We're not the common weenies that think differently; I'm sure the raid twisted many a panty.

[Peally]

Just watched it, was bored tonight and have no weekday social life aside from using my dog's ass as a pillow to watch TV.

I rather enjoyed it, but I tend to like tense "based on true events" movies where the good guys fuck up the bad guys (I liked whoever recommended The Infiltrator, while it may not have won every award ever I was entertained and stressed the whole movie). The SAS embassy raid is about as "good guys fucking up bad guys" as it gets, so it's a win in my book.

It gets Peally's 'I usually hate most movies but not this one' seal of approval ;)

[StraitR]

The Infiltrator was outstanding. I really need to watch 6 Days.

[That Guy]

I really need to watch 6 Days.

Yes, yes you do. It really is a great movie.

[Casual Friday]

I liked it. When they make movies based on actual events, I wish they'd use this one as a template.

[LittleLebowski]

To say that I'm excited would be an understatement.

https://i2.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Christoph-Waltz-Dancing-in-Chair-Inglourious-Basterds.gif?resize=350%2C153&ssl=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KYroBErj1g

[WobblyPossum]

It’s on Netflix right now if you want to see it. I enjoyed it.


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[JHC]

It is outstanding.

[blues]

Hmmm, maybe have to renew Netflix tonite.

[TheNewbie]

I really liked it. Good guys vs evil.

[JHC]

Hmmm, maybe have to renew Netflix tonite.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, and my Xfinity On Demand all have it.

[blues]

Netflix, Amazon Prime, and my Xfinity On Demand all have it.

Oh. I already have "Prime" loaded and ready to go...so if that's the case, Netflix can wait until I "need" it.

Thanks, brother.


ETA: Apparently it's not included with Prime. It's a standalone "pay for" selection. I guess I'll just re-up a month of Netflix in that case.

[Trooper224]

Saw it when it first debuted. I'll undoubtedly watch it again.

[blues]

Watching it now.

[blues]

Just finished watching. Good film. Made me proud to have received some training from the SAS, and to have worked with the Metropolitan Police.

[Chance]

We have whole thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26752-6-Days-The-SAS-and-the-Iranian-Embassy-Siege) about that movie. Good flick - definitely one to watch again.

[LittleLebowski]

We have whole thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26752-6-Days-The-SAS-and-the-Iranian-Embassy-Siege) about that movie. Good flick - definitely one to watch again.


Mods here are shit :(

#ModsHereAreShit (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ModsHereAreShit)

[blues]

Mods here are shit :(

#ModsHereAreShit (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ModsHereAreShit)

Fragrant, dammit!