CZ Scorpion Evo thread

[LittleLebowski]

I recently bought one of these pistols and I'm....ALL IN. It will be delivered this week to VA Arms. Much feverish planning has ensued.

Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot (https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Advanced-Buttons-MD-ADS/dp/B00OD2L62M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499641412&sr=8-1&keywords=primary+arms+advanced+micro+dot)

Gearheadworks folding "Tailhook" brace (http://www.gearheadworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=68)

Hansohn Brothers sold me this 18x1mm adapter (https://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=80_88&product_id=240) for my Rugged Obsidian (https://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=405) and you'll never guess who sold that to me.

Got a Yetiworks Switchback grip (https://www.yetiwurks.com/collections/all/switchback) and trigger spring kit en route.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1DKHVNCuypAZi/source.gif

#CZ (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=CZ)

[JM Campbell]

Need a report on the grip after you've ran it for a bit. Looks like your putting together a really fun blaster.


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[SeriousStudent]

Are you considering a light? If so, which one?

And I can save you some time on the magazine couplers, if you were considering that. When I tried one on mine, it caused repeated malf's.

[Gray222]

Pix or lies

[LittleLebowski]

Pix or lies

I don't have it yet but this is what is en route.

[LittleLebowski]

Are you considering a light? If so, which one?

And I can save you some time on the magazine couplers, if you were considering that. When I tried one on mine, it caused repeated malf's.

No idea on the light, whatever I see that is decent, used, and cheap but good.

How is your Evo running? What ammo does it like? If you have a sling on it, which sling and how is it set up?

[LittleLebowski]

Need a report on the grip after you've ran it for a bit. Looks like your putting together a really fun blaster.


Will do and I agree, should be fun in my backyard. The Rugged Obsidian put me over the edge on this CZ.

[LOKNLOD]

Is that a special trigger/bolt handle?

[JM Campbell]

Sling
https://www.sobmanswag.com/collections/slings/products/b-sling-with-mash-hook

Mash hook to front factory sling eyelet and rear is secured through the blade pistol brace.


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[JM Campbell]

I don't have it yet but this is what is en route.

Yours is coming with a HB charging handle and trigger shoe?


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[Gray222]

I don't have it yet but this is what is en route.

So your talking about something you don't have? Lolllllllll

[SeriousStudent]

No idea on the light, whatever I see that is decent, used, and cheap but good.

How is your Evo running? What ammo does it like? If you have a sling on it, which sling and how is it set up?

For a light, I'm currently using an Inforce WML Gen 2 400-lumen model. It mounts easily with a low profile on the factory forearm. I'm usually a Surefire guy, so this is a first try for me with that maker.

My Scorpion runs very well, and I have not experienced any ammo-related issues. Checking the logs, I have used the following ammo through it:

S&B 115-grain FMJ
Magtech 115-grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124-grain FMJ
Speer 147-grain Gold Dots
Ranger 115-grain +P+ JHP's


I think, but am not sure, that I ran some Ranger 147-grain JHP's. They do not show in the log, however, but I'm almost positive we ran a magazine of them.

The sling I use is a standard Blue Force Gear Victory sling. I bought a big box of those on sale a few years ago. I wrapped it in their sling sleeve: https://www.blueforcegear.com/sling-sleeve.html

To mount the sling, I am using the Parker Mountain Machine units:

http://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p99/CZ_Scorpion_EVO_3_S1_Front_QD__Sling_Mount.html

http://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p100/CZ_Scorpion_EVO_3_S1_Rear__QD__Sling_Mount.html

It's currently got an old Aimpoint H-1 2MOA spare I had, and I'll likely stick with that. I have their factory QD mount for it.

Pistol grip is currently factory stock, but with the annoying flared end Dremeled off.

I also replaced the safety levers with the Apex tactical units.

Suppressor is a Silencerco Omega 9k, should be here in 2-3 months (fingers crossed).

Hope that helps.

[JM Campbell]

SeriousStudent
Omega 9k results please when you get it. I've been eyeballing that model for the scorpion as well.


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[SeriousStudent]

SeriousStudent
Omega 9k results please when you get it. I've been eyeballing that model for the scorpion as well.


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No worries, I'll be happy to help out.

Theoretically, I should have it in hand in a few months. You are more than welcome to bring your Scorpion up and try it out.

Or we could meet at a gun range near Lockhart, and then have BBQ afterwards....... I believe they call that "win-win". :cool:

[JM Campbell]

No worries, I'll be happy to help out.

Theoretically, I should have it in hand in a few months. You are more than welcome to bring your Scorpion up and try it out.

Or we could meet at a gun range near Lockhart, and then have BBQ afterwards....... I believe they call that "win-win". :cool:

Now your talking about a good day.


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[SeriousStudent]

Seriously, we should do that.

I'll try and hunt down a range, and we could invite the Texas P-F crew.

In a few months when things cool down sounds good. I'll let you know when I get the 9K in hand.

[JM Campbell]

I know at least 3-4 that would make that trip if job schedules allow.


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[LittleLebowski]

So your talking about something you don't have? Lolllllllll

Transfer paperwork already done, I'll be shooting in my backyard next week while you're begging for an LEO discount at Dunkin again :D

[HCM]

No worries, I'll be happy to help out.

Theoretically, I should have it in hand in a few months. You are more than welcome to bring your Scorpion up and try it out.

Or we could meet at a gun range near Lockhart, and then have BBQ afterwards....... I believe they call that "win-win". :cool:

There is, in fact, a range on the outskirts of Lockhart itself.

http://www.lonestargunrange.com

[SeriousStudent]

There is, in fact, a range on the outskirts of Lockhart itself.

http://www.lonestargunrange.com

Thanks, I do appreciate it.

October is pretty dang busy, I think I have a class every weekend that month. We may try for early November, if my work allows

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I'm sure enjoying the one I have here.

http://imgur.com/4Vbn1dm.jpg

http://imgur.com/40YRjp1.jpg

http://imgur.com/CTRBxYM.jpg

http://imgur.com/4UYKJCe.jpg

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Actually more closely related to the Vz. 61 Skorpion than I expected.


ETA: REALLY like the mag release. Don't really like the orientation of the safety.

[Gray222]

Transfer paperwork already done, I'll be shooting in my backyard next week while you're begging for an LEO discount at Dunkin again :D

Ha, I don't beg.

[Kyle Reese]

Break it in with that S&B 9mm I gave you.

[LittleLebowski]

Wow, oh wow. Ridiculously fun. Reliable. Quiet.

[SeriousStudent]

Apparently there is a new replacement safety that is a push-button type, similar to an 870. I'm trying to find a link.

And yeah, ridiculously fun is a good way to describe it. Welcome to the club. :)

[Paul D]

Wow, oh wow. Ridiculously fun. Reliable. Quiet.

Great news! Now how about precision and POA/POI with and without the can? With my ACC Ti-Rant 9 can and 2 different adapters, the groupings blow up after 5-6 rounds.

[LittleLebowski]

Great news! Now how about precision and POA/POI with and without the can? With my ACC Ti-Rant 9 can and 2 different adapters, the groupings blow up after 5-6 rounds.

I'll walk out the back door and do so shortly. Last night, it was minute of Redbull can through a few mags.

I need to make the trigger and charging handle black, I'm sure SeriousStudent, Failure2Stop, or Sean M will have some M-Nu (https://www.grunt.com/p/m-nu-emblem-refinisher).

[LittleLebowski]

Great news! Now how about precision and POA/POI with and without the can? With my ACC Ti-Rant 9 can and 2 different adapters, the groupings blow up after 5-6 rounds.

Ok, I misread your very clearly written words. I can't test shift with and without the can on my property as I've sworn not to shoot unsuppressed on my property (don't want to be a jerk to my pro 2A neighbors). I did remove and remount the can, no shift. I did shoot the fuck out of the gun, no wandering groups, no reliability issues. I zeroed it at 31 yards, the distance from the shade to my target area as it's hotter than two mice fucking in a wool sock out here. Shoots about 2" high at about 10 yards and in.

The Evo shot my 147gr cast and coated reloads OK, not great. Switching to my plated 124gr reloads cut the group size by at least half and POI was nearly identical. I want to pick up some plated 147s to see if the coating is the problem and also some 135s for testing.

Also, my red dot is mounted too low, I couldn't see the target because of the front post so I removed the iron sights, I need a low riser for the red dot.

[SeriousStudent]

I'll walk out the back door and do so shortly. Last night, it was minute of Redbull can through a few mags.

I need to make the trigger and charging handle black, I'm sure SeriousStudent, Failure2Stop, or Sean M will have some M-Nu (https://www.grunt.com/p/m-nu-emblem-refinisher).

M-Nu.......sigh. I do remember it.

I remember spending a field day scrubbing on my hands and knees, when a bottle broke in a wall locker and it dripped out on the deck.

Not my fondest memory.

What RDS are you using?

[LittleLebowski]

M-Nu.......sigh. I do remember it.

I remember spending a field day scrubbing on my hands and knees, when a bottle broke in a wall locker and it dripped out on the deck.

Not my fondest memory.

What RDS are you using?

Such a shitty product that brings up bad memories :D

I'm using the Primary Arms Advanced Micro (https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Advanced-Buttons-MD-ADS/dp/B00OD2L62M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500561471&sr=8-1&keywords=primary+arms+advanced+micro+dot) and it's fantastic so far. So far, I see no reason to have an Aimpoint on anything but a SHTF/primary gun. Leaving it on for battery testing. Zero is holding fine.

[LittleLebowski]

This is fast becoming my favorite "carbine." I know its limitations and it has a few to be sure; but within those limitations, it is fun, cheap to shoot (11 cents a round using quality reloads), light, handy with the folded brace, and rock solid reliable. The limitations are entirely ballistic. I spoke to DocGKR and it sounds like the Federal 147gr HST is a good round for home defense that should have lessened overpenetration concerns compared to other 9mm HD rounds.

[Odin Bravo One]

Found my bottle of M-Nu.

Bring the poodle pumper when you visit; we will blacken it up. Saw some rabbits today. Maybe we get some caliente rabbit fajitas?

[GJM]

This is fast becoming my favorite "carbine." I know its limitations and it has a few to be sure; but within those limitations, it is fun, cheap to shoot (11 cents a round using quality reloads), light, handy with the folded brace, and rock solid reliable. The limitations are entirely ballistic. I spoke to DocGKR and it sounds like the Federal 147gr HST is a good round for home defense that should have lessened overpenetration concerns compared to other 9mm HD rounds.

Looks like a 100 something FPS increase going from 4 something to an 8 something inch barrel. Wonder if going with standard velocity Gold Dot 124 would keep the velocity close enough to the +P load, that the velocity envelope works for the bullet. I have shot a fair amount of Gold Dot in the HK SP5K, MPX 8 inch and MP5 length Dakota, to believe it is reliable in those guns.

[JPedersen]

I don't have it yet but this is what is en route.

Where did you source it with that trigger and fore grip already on it ? What parts are those? Looks sick! I have been mulling over a pistol caliber carbine - and his may be the tipping point !


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[LittleLebowski]

Where did you source it with that trigger and fore grip already on it ? What parts are those? Looks sick! I have been mulling over a pistol caliber carbine - and his may be the tipping point !


Individual purchase. I can list out the parts if you like. Just a fantastic buy.

[LittleLebowski]

Found my bottle of M-Nu.

Bring the poodle pumper when you visit; we will blacken it up. Saw some rabbits today. Maybe we get some caliente rabbit fajitas?


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[Paul D]

I finally fixed my suppressor to Scorpion accuracy problem. I got a 3 lug adapter for my can and for the muzzle. The can adapter is an AAC Triad adapter and the muzzle 3 lug adapter was made by HKparts.net. It shoots 3 inch groups at 25 yds with 30 rounds. I'm now happy.

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[JM Campbell]

I finally fixed my suppressor to Scorpion accuracy problem. I got a 3 lug adapter for my can and for the muzzle. The can adapter is an AAC Triad adapter and the muzzle 3 lug adapter was made by HKparts.net. It shoots 3 inch groups at 25 yds with 30 rounds. I'm now happy.

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Great news!


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[LittleLebowski]

30 round groups?

[Paul D]

30 round groups?

Slow fire off of a rest with factory ball ammo. I know...very skeptical...but it surprised me too. I expected it to open up to 12 inch groups like my previous two adapters but it kept on keeping it tight with each trigger pull. I'm done futzing with this gun.

[SeriousStudent]

Paul, thanks for the trip on the 3-lug adapter, much appreciated! My Octane 9K should be out of jail soon, and I'm itching to get it mounted on my Scorpion.

[LittleLebowski]

Slow fire off of a rest with factory ball ammo. I know...very skeptical...but it surprised me too. I expected it to open up to 12 inch groups like my previous two adapters but it kept on keeping it tight with each trigger pull. I'm done futzing with this gun.

Dang, I can't afford to test like that :D

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Too bad ATF lost my approved Form 4s, so I'll be waiting for the Rugged Obsidian yet longer.

[pew_pew]

I’ve been wanting a Carbine. Waiting for the CZ Custom version to come in stock. Don’t want to deal with SBR’ing one or running one as a pistol. I like the reliability of the Evo and price, but the MPX shoots the smoothest and seems to be the favorite USPSA PCC gun.

[Default.mp3]

Only took ~14 months to get everything approved and in my hands. Fucking ATF.
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[JM Campbell]

Only took ~14 months to get everything approved and in my hands. Fucking ATF.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4688/27547940649_4e3d2474b7_b.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4598/39324828541_2d62b8b30f_b.jpg

Is that the Apex safety and pistol grip? How do you like them?


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[Default.mp3]

Is that the Apex safety and pistol grip? How do you like them?It is indeed the Apex Ambi Safety Set, but the grip is actually the Yeti Wurks Switchback Grip. The safety took a little getting used to, as I have to shift my hand slightly to engage and disengage it, but it's not bad at all once I practiced a bit with it; not as great as my short-throw AR safety levers, but far better than the OEM safety, IMO. The right side safety doesn't interfere with my particular stock, though apparently it doesn't allow the OEM stock to fold properly. As for the grip, I do like it a lot better than the OEM one, too, due to the straighter rake of the grip. However, given its price, I'd probably just go with the Pakse Pathfinder Grip if I had a choice now (which wasn't out when I bought the Switchback), given that it's cheaper, has an even more vertical rake, and allows for the field stripping of the gun; the Switchback does not when installed in the most forward position, though I have not had any reason to do a field strip, anyway.

FWIW, Mike Pannone put a CZ Customs Push Button safety on his, and seemed to like it a lot; didn't have too much time to ask him why, but I'll try to ask him next time I see him.


I like the reliability of the Evo and price, but the MPX shoots the smoothest and seems to be the favorite USPSA PCC gun.FWIW, Mike Pannone noted this when I talked to him; this is due to the large bolt moving back and forth, since the Evo is a simple blowback design, which causes the gun to bounce more than the MPX.

[pew_pew]

It is indeed the Apex Ambi Safety Set, but the grip is actually the Yeti Wurks Switchback Grip. The safety took a little getting used to, as I have to shift my hand slightly to engage and disengage it, but it's not bad at all once I practiced a bit with it; not as great as my short-throw AR safety levers, but far better than the OEM safety, IMO. The right side safety doesn't interfere with my particular stock, though apparently it doesn't allow the OEM stock to fold properly. As for the grip, I do like it a lot better than the OEM one, too, due to the straighter rake of the grip. However, given its price, I'd probably just go with the Pakse Pathfinder Grip if I had a choice now (which wasn't out when I bought the Switchback), given that it's cheaper, has an even more vertical rake, and allows for the field stripping of the gun; the Switchback does not when installed in the most forward position, though I have not had any reason to do a field strip, anyway.

FWIW, Mike Pannone put a CZ Customs Push Button safety on his, and seemed to like it a lot; didn't have too much time to ask him why, but I'll try to ask him next time I see him.

FWIW, Mike Pannone noted this when I talked to him; this is due to the large bolt moving back and forth, since the Evo is a simple blowback design, which causes the gun to bounce more than the MPX.

That’s correct. The MPX really has a much more advanced design. I’m waiting until SHOT because I wouldn’t be surprised if Sig comes out with a gen 3. Although I haven’t heard any rumors so maybe not.

[gskip]

I have an EVO pistol with the carbine handguard with a omega 9k underneath and the Tailhook Brace.

Freaking awesome. Way quiet and tons of fun.

[JM Campbell]

I have an EVO pistol with the carbine handguard with a omega 9k underneath and the Tailhook Brace.

Freaking awesome. Way quiet and tons of fun.

Pics or it didn’t happen.


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[Poconnor]

I fingered the evo 3 S1 carbine today at my LGS. I really liked it. Folding adjustable stock, faux suppressor. I put it on lay away. Is 800 bucks a good price?

[Joe in PNG]

Got one waiting for me.
So, what's it like, ammo wise?

[Paul D]

Got one waiting for me.
So, what's it like, ammo wise?

Pretty much everything. Mine has ate both steel, brass cased and 155-147 grain stuff. The extractor is beefy and will grab cases well before ejecting them.

[Joe in PNG]

Let's see, I've also ordered the Apex grip to go on it- I don't like the OEM flange.
I've got a Vickers sling that will go on it, but what's the suggested mounting system?

[LOKNLOD]

I’ve been eyeballing one of these.

Probably pistol with a brace to be considered for SBR if found worthy... I have a can that should be out of jail in the relatively near future.

Can’t decide if the short format or the carbine fore end that comes with the KAK can would be better. Anybody have a strong opinion about which one they’d recommend?

[jeep45238]

Carbine fore end if you have an option. Pretty ergonomic, and sized to generally accept cans within.

[LittleLebowski]

Got one waiting for me.
So, what's it like, ammo wise?

Mine likes plated 124s, runs great. Oddly enough, didn’t like 147s as much with regards to accuracy.

[Joe in PNG]

What's a good, inexpensive RDS that would be good for fun and games- something under $200.

[Paul D]

What's a good, inexpensive RDS that would be good for fun and games- something under $200.

Vortex Sparc AR: https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Sparc-Red-Dot/dp/B01AWB3DIM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524448920&sr=8-1&keywords=vortex+sparc+ar

It appears a little high off bore but I have a huge melon so it works for me without a cheek riser on the buttstock.

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[LOKNLOD]

What's a good, inexpensive RDS that would be good for fun and games- something under $200.

On the lowest bottom end, a Bushnell TRS25 is south of $100, often closer to 50-60 on sale.

Above that I’d look at the Primary Arms offerings in the 150-200 range (unless you can find the blems on sale). Vortex makes a few in that price range as well and I’ve had good luck with their products in general.

[HCM]

What's a good, inexpensive RDS that would be good for fun and games- something under $200.

The SPARC is good, I’ve also had good luck with the SIG Romeo 5.

[Mike C]

I fingered the evo 3 S1 carbine today at my LGS. I really liked it. Folding adjustable stock, faux suppressor. I put it on lay away. Is 800 bucks a good price?

CZ offers LEO/MIL discount.

https://le.cz-usa.com/le-mil-purchase-program/

[GJM]

This is the one that interests me:

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s2-pistol-micro-w-brace/

[LOKNLOD]

This is the one that interests me:

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s2-pistol-micro-w-brace/

That is intriguing.

[H&KFanNC]

On the lowest bottom end, a Bushnell TRS25 is south of $100, often closer to 50-60 on sale.

Above that I’d look at the Primary Arms offerings in the 150-200 range (unless you can find the blems on sale). Vortex makes a few in that price range as well and I’ve had good luck with their products in general.

With the Primary Arms RDS, without the riser, it sits very low. So much so you can’t use the iron sights. With the riser, it sits about the same height as the Vortex but the Riser is hollow and allows the use of the irons.

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[HCM]

With the Primary Arms RDS, without the riser, it sits very low. So much so you can’t use the iron sights. With the riser, it sits about the same height as the Vortex but the Riser is hollow and allows the use of the irons.

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What pistol grip is that ?


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[Wake27]

What's a good, inexpensive RDS that would be good for fun and games- something under $200.

I’d try the Vortex Crossfire.


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[JBhunter45]

HCM, that's a Pakse Pathfinder grip.

H&KFanNC, the Primary Arms Micro Dot with removable base is absolute co witness, so iron sights are quite useful.

[H&KFanNC]

HCM, that's a Pakse Pathfinder grip.

H&KFanNC, the Primary Arms Micro Dot with removable base is absolute co witness, so iron sights are quite useful.

Absolutely. But I find that looking through my back up site picture to see my primary dot is cluttered, for me. I prefer to keep my head up for the red dot and if necessary to lower my cheek weld to use the iron sights while looking through the riser.




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[JBhunter45]

Yes, its all personal preference. Just wanted to clarify for others you can still use irons for abs co witness.

What mount is that? maybe I missed it.

[H&KFanNC]

Yes, its all personal preference. Just wanted to clarify for others you can still use irons for abs co witness.

What mount is that? maybe I missed it.

The mount pictured is the one that came with my Primary Arms red dot.


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[einherjarvalk]

Heads up, CZ-USA just got in the new black windowed magazines that CZ-UB kinda sorta low-key announced in their product catalogue last year and then never mentioned afterwards.

https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/11355_Mag-Cz-Scorpion-9mm-30rd-Black-Window

$30 + S&H/tax, but SCORP25 knocks 25% off all Scorpion Evo magazines including these. I'm willing to be these are more durable than the smoke translucent ones too.

[einherjarvalk]

Don't really mean to double post, but I got my SBR back from Buhler Ballistics today. Very pleased with his work.

https://i.imgur.com/Zr6lTlvl.jpg

What grips are y'all using on your Evos? I've got both a Pakse Pathfinder and Yeti Switchback; I like the shape on the Pathfinder better but the texture and build quality of the Switchback is definitely more refined (and I can stuff my NFA docs into the storage cavity).

[Joe in PNG]

Got to shoot it a few time in the past few weeks. Did a few swaps in that time.
First, put on an Apex grip, as I don't like the shelf on the original.
Added a couple of QD sling swivels from Yeti.
The trigger was super heavy, so put a HBI spring kit in it, with a bit of light stoning in the trigger group.
Swapped out the right side safety for the Apex low profile, as it sticks into my hand while shooting (need to test this one out).

All in all, I like it!

[HeavyDuty]

I'm sure enjoying the one I have here.

http://imgur.com/4Vbn1dm.jpg


I’m really intrigued by these, one with a Tailhook would tide me over until I retire to someplace SBR friendly in a few more years. Plus they appeal to my Bohunk bloodline.

Can I ask - what optic is that? Looks rugged as hell.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

That was a DI Optical FC1, I think. It was a loaner so I can't really give you much information about it, unfortunately.

[HeavyDuty]

That was a DI Optical FC1, I think. It was a loaner so I can't really give you much information about it, unfortunately.

Thanks!

[HeavyDuty]

Ok, I did it - one is on the way.

What’s the current thinking for a more upright grip? I see the Yeti Switchback, but before I drop the coin I’m wondering if there’s anything else out there other than the Paske Pathfinder. That, and the one I handled today convinced me that the right side safety needs help - there appear to be lots of choices out there for replacements. I suspect mine will end up K converted, but not immediately.

[Wake27]

Ok, I did it - one is on the way.

What’s the current thinking for a more upright grip? I see the Yeti Switchback, but before I drop the coin I’m wondering if there’s anything else out there other than the Paske Pathfinder. That, and the one I handled today convinced me that the right side safety needs help - there appear to be lots of choices out there for replacements. I suspect mine will end up K converted, but not immediately.

Apex Tactical makes one as well I believe.

[HeavyDuty]

Ok, I see the Apex now. Kinda strange texturing, but the overall shape looks good.

[Joe in PNG]

Ok, I see the Apex now. Kinda strange texturing, but the overall shape looks good.

I put the Apex on mine. It's got adhesive grip panels if you want them, and they work fairly well. I like it.

[HeavyDuty]

Ok, Apex PG and smaller right side safety ordered. I have the Gear Head Tailhook adapter and HBI FCG spring kit on the way, too. I’m just trying to find a CZ OEM folding extension in stock somewhere.

[HeavyDuty]

Mission accomplished. This has been an expensive 48 hours.

[LOKNLOD]

I've been eyeballing that version with the tailhook instead of the SB folder, too. It sounds like you're building exactly what I plan to put together.

[HeavyDuty]

I’ll keep you posted. It will likely end up as a K (unless I like it so much that I pick up a second krátký one), and the parts list so far is:

* EVO 3 S1
* CZ stock tube with Gear Head Tailhook Mod 1 and adapter
* Apex pistol grip and small right side safety
* HBI FCG spring kit
* Some rail covers out of the big box o’ AR parts in the basement - that handguard is really uncomfortable

I’m not even going to put a RDS on it for now.

[HeavyDuty]

When the charging handle is replaced with aftermarket, is the entire original assembly replaced or are parts reused? I’m wondering if the originals ever pop up for sale, I actually like the size and would like to make the CH ambidextrous.

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When the charging handle is replaced with aftermarket, is the entire original assembly replaced or are parts reused? I’m wondering if the originals ever pop up for sale, I actually like the size and would like to make the CH ambidextrous.The entire assembly is replaced. That being said, if you're interested in an original CH, PM me, I have an extra.

[HeavyDuty]

PM incoming!

[HeavyDuty]

I feel like I’m dominating the thread lately - apologies, but I’m enthused about this little gun. I hope it lives up to my expectations.

Now I’m thinking that I’ll leave the barrel length alone on this S1, and if I like it I’ll pick up an S2 for a K variant after the prices come down.

[Joe in PNG]

I'm loving mine so far.

[H&KFanNC]

Hey everybody! I have a minor problem with my Scorpion and I’m hoping the hive mind can assist. My hand guard is moving an 1/8” in pretty much any direction. It’s enough to through off the sights and loosen up the groups when using the iron sights. When using the Red dot, it’s doesn’t affect sighting. It does make the whole gun feel flimsy and cheap.

Any ideas on how to tighten up the fit? FYI, I have never removed the barrel. I have added a new charging handle, trigger and grip.

Below are pics showing the size of the gap when pulling forward on the hand guard.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180626/92fbc47358561198b2401c8b95dc6233.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180626/49735c90ac92d0a388c3e4f3609bb1ea.jpg


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[HeavyDuty]

No bueno. Barrel nut?

[H&KFanNC]

Don’t know why it double posted but sorry about that!!


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[H&KFanNC]

HeavyDuty: I have no idea how it could have came loose but from my understanding, the barrel nut and a spacer is the only thing holding the hand guard tight to the receiver. The question is, how did it get loose? I didn’t loosen it, otherwise I’d throw the special super deep well socket thingy back on and tighten it.

I contacted Sigusa through their website but haven’t heard back from them in a couple weeks. I guess I need to try them again and see what’s up.


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[HeavyDuty]

Thinking out loud - maybe there was molding flash on the handguard where the spacer bears against it, and that flash has gotten pounded down? Or, maybe the barrel nut is just loose - there have been a few mentions that people were lucky enough not to have any thread lock on theirs. Can you remove the muzzle device and see if the barrel nut appears loose?

I called CZ today to ask a technical question and was only on hold for a minute or two. If the barrel nut isn’t obviously loose, I’d give them a call.

[einherjarvalk]

I contacted Sigusa through their website but haven’t heard back from them in a couple weeks. I guess I need to try them again and see what’s up.

Contacting CZ USA might yield better results. ;)

In all seriousness, almost certainly a barrel nut issue, which is odd. I'd just call CZ directly rather than wait for an email reply; last time I did that I was put in touch with a gunsmith in within a few minutes.

[Joe in PNG]

I'd take the barrel nut off and make sure that the retaining washer was installed. Then, tighten it back down.

[H&KFanNC]

Ok. LOL at myself for the SigUSA reference.

I didn’t remove the muzzle device but stuck a screwdriver through the hand guard and found the nut loose to the touch. I ended up using 2 flat tip screwdrivers and the slots to create enough torque to tighten the nut enough to hold the hand guard tight enough to not move.

I checked online for the special wrench and found the wrench from $100 (CZ) to $20. I’m going to try CZ on the phone and see what they recommend. I really don’t want to send the rifle off for them to torque down the nut and send it back. I’m going to try to fabricate a wrench myself, first. Heck, a 21mm socket cut in half and a piece of pipe can’t be too much, right??


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[HeavyDuty]

HBI makes a simple wrench that retails for $12 or so. Postage is the stinker, I suspect.

[einherjarvalk]

His looks to be the carbine handguard, which will require the use of the long barrel nut wrench. HBI sells one as well, but it's currently out of stock. I was going to recommend NAAH Tool Works, but they're out of stock too.

Maybe check on the CZ forums or the various Evo groups on Facebook? I'm sure someone will be willing to loan one out.

[HeavyDuty]

If anyone is missing their red Loctite, I found it in my new Scorpion. Mother of God... it took a two foot cheater the whole way.

[HeavyDuty]

What are people using for a low profile Scorpion case? I have a folding Tailhook on mine, and I’d like a thicker, shorter bag to hold the gun folded.

[Joe in PNG]

What are people using for a low profile Scorpion case? I have a folding Tailhook on mine, and I’d like a thicker, shorter bag to hold the gun folded.

I've got an old computer bag that fits my folding SB brace fairly well, plus mags and other goodies.

[HeavyDuty]

I looked in my old laptop bag ghetto with no luck, but now that I think about it most of the cases are from the days of smaller computers. I’ll start looking at newer bags designed for widescreen laptops. Thanks for the idea!

[LOKNLOD]

On gunbroker, there are some folks selling Rigid tool cases set up to fit Scorpions. They want $200 for them but the cases are like $40 at Home Depot, you’d just need to do your own foam.

[einherjarvalk]

I've been using a Vertx Gamut and my SBR fits it perfectly.

I've also got an old Targus laptop bag from my college days that's big enough to fit it. If you want it, it's yours for the cost of shipping. PM me if you're interested.

[HeavyDuty]

Ok, I’m officially a fan. Has anyone heard anything about the S2 version being released? I could easily see myself with both pistol sizes...

[HeavyDuty]

Finally got my back tuned up enough that I could get to the range with the EVO. (Steroid injections, yeah baby.)

*Very* impressed with how the gun shoots. The factory trigger blows chunks, but that’s fixable (I have a HBI spring kit on deck) and even with that I was effortlessly shooting 2” groups at 15 yards with 20 year old crap ammunition. Zero issue in 200 rounds of mixed 115 and 124g RN, and also some 115g HPs.

The Tailhook is fantastic on this thing, too.

[awp_101]

I like mine!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4699/39911503534_c136b5c3fd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23NQTvh)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4740/39911505014_34213b0f57_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23NQTWN)

CZ Scorpion EVO pistol
In Lead We Trust 3 lug 5.3" barrel (IIRC it's 5.3")
HBI 4.25" Micro K handguard
Yeti Wurks Tailhook folding brace
Right side safety delete (Apex IIRC)

Since these were taken I've pulled the EOTech and replaced it with a Burris Fastfire and added a Streamlight TLR-3. Need to track down sling mounts (or not, haven't decided yet) and maybe swap the left side safety for an Apex AK style for easier engagement. Might try one of the more vertical pistol grips to see if that helps first.

[HeavyDuty]

I installed the HBI trigger spring kit this morning - the trigger pack retaining screw was being a bitch and had to be drilled out, but I got it done. I did end up sacrificing the right side Apex replacement safety lever, it wasn’t coming off and had to be dremeled. It was a very tight fit when I installed it and had to be forced into place, in retrospect I should have scrapped it then and never installed it. Big improvement from the HBI spring kit.

[LOKNLOD]

I've got a start on getting mine setup -
Pakse Pathfinder grip
HBI mini-AK safety on the right side
Stock safety on the left side
HBI trigger spring kit
HBI Prostock mag release


Initial thoughts:
The grip angle feels good, but I do think it looks funny. The screw is much smaller OD than the OEM, and is just a hair too long. make sure the head of the screw is on the side your hand covers, if it sticks out it won't jab you.
Safety setup allows me to take the gun off-safe with a similar motion as an AR, but use my index to re-engage (and it's very obvious when it's on or off).
Trigger spring is totally worth it. Not hard to install if you don't have the welded-in issue.
Not sold that the mag release was necessary. I like the paddle for the thumb, but it's not as easy to engage with the trigger finger as the stock version.

Next up: needs a red dot and a light. And a can, if it ever clears NFA jail.

Incidentally when folded it fits in that Maratac bag it's sitting on, like it was made for it. Just need some velcro mag pouches that would work in there for a pretty bad-ass go-bag.

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[LittleLebowski]

$19.99

https://www.preppergunshop.com/pgs-hybrid-scorpion-evo-mag-32-round-smoke-tint

[HeavyDuty]

I’m seriously thinking about changing out my original barrel and HBI handguard for a complete HBI K kit. I think it would make it even handier (and to be completely honest, fun) - I already have a Tailhook mounted on the CZ folding extension. I could easily resell the bullnose HBI 6.84” handguard to recover part of the cost.

As an alternative I could have my stock barrel cut. Not sure which way to go.

[mrozowjj]

I'm sure enjoying the one I have here.

http://imgur.com/4Vbn1dm.jpg


Actually more closely related to the Vz. 61 Skorpion than I expected.


ETA: REALLY like the mag release. Don't really like the orientation of the safety.


What optic is that?

[Wake27]

What optic is that?

I think its a Steiner red dot.

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What optic is that?Looks like a DI Optical FC1 without the mount riser: http://diopticalusa.com/?page_id=1219

From OpticPlanet's page for the FC1:
https://op1.0ps.us/978-550-ffffff/opplanet-di-optical-falcon-prism-red-dot-sgt-push-btn-cntrl-auto-shut-off-mode-mte-blk-fc1-usage-1-1.jpg
Source: https://www.opticsplanet.com/di-optical-falcon-prismatic-red-dot-sight-w-push-button-control-and-auto-shut-of.html

[mrozowjj]

Looks like a DI Optical FC1 without the mount riser: http://diopticalusa.com/?page_id=1219

From OpticPlanet's page for the FC1:
https://op1.0ps.us/978-550-ffffff/opplanet-di-optical-falcon-prism-red-dot-sgt-push-btn-cntrl-auto-shut-off-mode-mte-blk-fc1-usage-1-1.jpg
Source: https://www.opticsplanet.com/di-optical-falcon-prismatic-red-dot-sight-w-push-button-control-and-auto-shut-of.html

That's a interesting looking optic. I've never seen one before much less heard anything about it.

[einherjarvalk]

For you SBR/carbine users, HBI just dropped their own take on the Zhukov-S stock adapter since Side Project isn't turning them out anymore. Looks clean enough to nearly look factory. I have trouble getting comfortable with my Aimpoint on the riser using the factory stock, the factory stock doesn't fold shut very well, and having a stock-mounted QD socket has been something I've wanted on the Evo for a while, so this may very well end up on my SBR down the line.

https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-magpul-zhukov-s-stock-adapter/

https://hbindustries.net/store/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/HBI-CZ-Scorpion-Evo-Magpul-Zhukov-S-Stock-Adapter-10.jpg

[HeavyDuty]

Krátký kit installed...

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[HeavyDuty]

I gotta say shooting my K-Scorpion is just about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

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Have you guys seen this new offering from CZ? Evo 3 S2 Pistol with factory SB Tactical micro brace. Only downside is that dumb fake (Faux) can it comes with. I would like to get into the PCC world and was thinking something like a B&T GHM9 would be perfect, but its hard to ignore CZ LEO pricing.

[HeavyDuty]

32544

Have you guys seen this new offering from CZ? Evo 3 S2 Pistol with factory SB Tactical micro brace. Only downside is that dumb fake (Faux) can it comes with. I would like to get into the PCC world and was thinking something like a B&T GHM9 would be perfect, but its hard to ignore CZ LEO pricing.

I was planning on going with one of these, but cheekweld on that thing looks like walking on Legos. Mine is basically the same forward of the receiver sans fake can but with the CZ stock extension and a Tailhook. It’s comfortable to shoot and accurate as hell, to the point I was attracting unwanted attention at the range last night.

[JM Campbell]

Krátký kit installed...

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What’s your barrel length? I like the looks of that rail. Was it difficult to switch out?


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[HeavyDuty]

What’s your barrel length? I like the looks of that rail. Was it difficult to switch out?


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5.3”. Took about fifteen minutes to install start to finish, maybe twenty - but that’s because I already installed a longer HBI rail. The first rail took about an hour to install only because CZ used about a bucket of threadlock on the factory barrel nut.


https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-microk-conversion-kit/

[JM Campbell]

5.3”. Took about fifteen minutes to install start to finish, maybe twenty - but that’s because I already installed a longer HBI rail. The first rail took about an hour to install only because CZ used about a barrel of threadlock on the factory barrel nut.


https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-microk-conversion-kit/

Very nice, have you done work to the trigger? I used the HB flat trigger shoe and spring kit and saw a vast improvement from the heavy stock 10lbs pull. Trigger and spring kit brought the pull down to 5.5lbs per my Lyman trigger gauge.


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[HeavyDuty]

Very nice, have you done work to the trigger? I used the HB flat trigger shoe and spring kit and saw a vast improvement from the heavy stock 10lbs pull. Trigger and spring kit brought the pull down to 5.5lbs per my Lyman trigger gauge.


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Just the HBI spring kit, that’s all mine needed. It is breaking in nicely!

[LockedBreech]

I got to shoot one of these for the first time last night. Nice fellow and his dad at the range swapped me to try my pistols.

Their setup was a pistol with brace and a basic Sig ROMEO5 red dot.

Incredibly fun and perfectly reliable. Having shot both I’m unsure what the MPX offers for so much more money. I want one.


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[LockedBreech]

Do they make 15-round magazines for these? I am chasing possible life plans in Colorado, and am not willing to step down to 10. All I am seeing are 10, 20, 30.

[JRB]

Do they make 15-round magazines for these? I am chasing possible life plans in Colorado, and am not willing to step down to 10. All I am seeing are 10, 20, 30.

The best bet is to rivet a 20 rounder to 15 while you're still in a free state. Can be easily done yourself by loading 15 rounds, marking the position of the mag follower, and placing the rivet in the spine of the magazine as to prevent it from accepting more than 15 rounds. That's how most folks are working around the CO mag ban with more uncommon magazine patterns.

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/12/10/magpul-cz-scorpion-grip-and-mag-release-leaked/

I would be very interested if they start making Evo mags, too.

[Wake27]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/12/10/magpul-cz-scorpion-grip-and-mag-release-leaked/

I would be very interested if they start making Evo mags, too.

Woah. I don't know what my first gun will be when I get back to a free state - G45 or this. I want a Scorpion even more now that Magpul is supporting it. Mags would be amazing, especially with PSA's 9mm AK that takes Scorpion mags.

[JM Campbell]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/1bf40c7dbd53e09e75d9b9c5034c2f55.jpg

Apex grip and MI rail.


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http://soldiersystems.net/2019/01/16/magpul-introduces-grip-mag-release-and-magazine-for-the-cz-scorpion-evo-3/

Magpul is indeed doing mags (35 rounder), mag release, and grip.

[LockedBreech]

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/01/16/magpul-introduces-grip-mag-release-and-magazine-for-the-cz-scorpion-evo-3/

Magpul is indeed doing mags (35 rounder), mag release, and grip.

Welp. That’s gonna move the Evo from a maybe to a certainly for me.


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[ranger]

I thought I saw some of the Kenyan security forces (police?) with CZ Scorpions at the site of the recent terrorist attacks.

[HCM]

I thought I saw some of the Kenyan security forces (police?) with CZ Scorpions at the site of the recent terrorist attacks.

Yes, you did.

[Joe in PNG]

That Magpul release looks pretty cool- may have to get one for mine.

[Screwball]

Seeing Magpul interest in it, I might reconsider the CZ as my fun “not” pistol...

It was between it, the PTR 9CT, and the SIG MPX. SIG was dropped due to a lot of negative I’ve heard with running a suppressor. The CZ fit the bill, but was worried about support in the future. Not a bad gun, but I sort of stopped hearing about it for a little bit... which definitely concerned me. Not a fan of investing into something that may be discontinued in the near future.

The PTR is pretty close to H&K... so MP5 aftermarket works. Kind of liked the MP5 styling, but I also wanted to get the Franklin Armory trigger for s***s and giggles. The H&K one will go in a housing marked for the third position, and look like I spent a lot more money on a transferable machine gun (binary would be fun enough... especially the difference in price).

But if Magpul is backing the CZ, I think you’ll see a lot more aftermarket following it (can get the trigger for it). That makes it a little more appealing, as it is a lower cost than the PTR, and 35 rounders from Magpul will definitely be cheaper than MP5 magazines. Big fan of CZ after getting my SP-01... so I’ll have to definitely look at the Scorpion when I get closer to buying one.

[SeriousStudent]

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/01/16/magpul-introduces-grip-mag-release-and-magazine-for-the-cz-scorpion-evo-3/

Magpul is indeed doing mags (35 rounder), mag release, and grip.

Be still, my beating heart! :)

[einherjarvalk]

Seeing Magpul interest in it, I might reconsider the CZ as my fun “not” pistol...

It was between it, the PTR 9CT, and the SIG MPX. SIG was dropped due to a lot of negative I’ve heard with running a suppressor. The CZ fit the bill, but was worried about support in the future. Not a bad gun, but I sort of stopped hearing about it for a little bit... which definitely concerned me. Not a fan of investing into something that may be discontinued in the near future.

The PTR is pretty close to H&K... so MP5 aftermarket works. Kind of liked the MP5 styling, but I also wanted to get the Franklin Armory trigger for s***s and giggles. The H&K one will go in a housing marked for the third position, and look like I spent a lot more money on a transferable machine gun (binary would be fun enough... especially the difference in price).

But if Magpul is backing the CZ, I think you’ll see a lot more aftermarket following it (can get the trigger for it). That makes it a little more appealing, as it is a lower cost than the PTR, and 35 rounders from Magpul will definitely be cheaper than MP5 magazines. Big fan of CZ after getting my SP-01... so I’ll have to definitely look at the Scorpion when I get closer to buying one.

The Evo 3, I've noticed, has for better or worse become the new "bubba" gun. It's unique, tacticool and relatively customizable with a low barrier of entry. However, the upside to this is that parts are readily available and you can definitely make it into something that works well for you.

I personally think an MP5 clone is a better long-term investment, especially for binary fire packs (the Evo 3 has no internal mechanism to prevent an OOB discharge, which can be catastrophic on a direct-blowback gun with a polymer receiver), but the costs are going to be significantly higher for the gun itself, aftermarket parts, and magazines. Between the two, the MP5 is definitely the better gun overall, but if it's just "for fun," it's hard to make an argument against the Evo 3.

I'm personally waiting on Zenith to start importing MP5s again so they can fulfill my backorder, giving me one of each for a "high/low" mix.

[olstyn]

I’m unsure what the MPX offers for so much more money. I want one.

Locked breech/gas operation vs blowback, AR-style controls vs not, and a (presumably) more durable metal receiver vs plastic? That said, for the price difference, you're not wrong; the Scorpion is an attractive package.

[LockedBreech]

Locked breech/gas operation vs blowback, AR-style controls vs not, and a (presumably) more durable metal receiver vs plastic? That said, for the price difference, you're not wrong; the Scorpion is an attractive package.

I’m enough of a doofus that for all the reading I’ve done on each I had no idea that their lockup systems are different. Totally makes sense. Thank you.


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[ranger]

Locked breech/gas operation vs blowback, AR-style controls vs not, and a (presumably) more durable metal receiver vs plastic? That said, for the price difference, you're not wrong; the Scorpion is an attractive package.

I love my MPX but it is my biggest money pit after SBR, Suppressor, suppressor stamp, trigger, SIG folding stock, and magazines. I really like it though!

[TMW Trav]

After I received my stamp I put a buffer tube and AR stock on it. I put a light on the front but I am still trying to decide about optics. The standard sites are pretty handy. The gun is accurate and reliable.

[Screwball]

I personally think an MP5 clone is a better long-term investment, especially for binary fire packs (the Evo 3 has no internal mechanism to prevent an OOB discharge, which can be catastrophic on a direct-blowback gun with a polymer receiver), but the costs are going to be significantly higher for the gun itself, aftermarket parts, and magazines. Between the two, the MP5 is definitely the better gun overall, but if it's just "for fun," it's hard to make an argument against the Evo 3.

Seeing Magpul is releasing MP5 stuff now... inching back up front. I’ll keep them both in the running until I get closer.

[Greg Bell]

Saw some cops with these in Egypt last year, mostly at the airport in Luxor. Cool guns.

[breakingtime91]

Bump. Currently intend to set either a pistol up or a carbine for fun and also as my wifes "rifle". She just is not confident in shooting 5.56 carbines, which I don't blame here. She is about 5' 1" and small, not easy to shoot a rifle that is just about as big as you are. So we discussed it and I would like her to have something in the house she is confident with. Scorpion seems to be what were looking for, thoughts?

[JHC]

Bump. Currently intend to set either a pistol up or a carbine for fun and also as my wifes "rifle". She just is not confident in shooting 5.56 carbines, which I don't blame here. She is about 5' 1" and small, not easy to shoot a rifle that is just about as big as you are. So we discussed it and I would like her to have something in the house she is confident with. Scorpion seems to be what were looking for, thoughts?


I got a chance Sunday to run a 30 rd mag through a .300 Rattler (pistol), this 5.56 Bren 2s (pistol) and a 5.56 Mk18clone (pistol). Initial impression was Bren 2s was my preference among those.

It has a very interesting trigger. Like nothing I've felt. It was a double action but very light and smooth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was but 4.5 lbs but it had total travel like a DA. I'd like to get this trigger in a concealment pistol.



I believe the "Ms" will be the similar gun in the US market.



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A friend of mine convinced me to do this:
https://i.imgur.com/J73lHM2h.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/Ei5Xpalh.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/cVJkCeOh.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/1wbl5Nfh.jpg?2

[olstyn]

A friend of mine convinced me to do this:

I'm torn. On the one hand, it's pretty creative, it looks cool, and the companion cube with it just takes me straight back to "the cake is a lie." On the other, guns probably shouldn't look like toys, so...?

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I'm torn. On the one hand, it's pretty creative, it looks cool, and the companion cube with it just takes me straight back to "the cake is a lie." On the other, guns probably shouldn't look like toys, so...?I will say that it's totally not my design. It's a design called Asiimov (https://csgostash.com/family/Asiimov), that's a pretty popular cosmetic skin series for Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, hence the Companion Cube (since CS:GO is also a Valve product).

[LockedBreech]

A friend of mine convinced me to do this:
https://i.imgur.com/J73lHM2h.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/Ei5Xpalh.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/cVJkCeOh.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/1wbl5Nfh.jpg?2

This was a triumph.
I’m making a note here: huge success


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[einherjarvalk]

Asiimov is a good look on the Scorpion. Dunno if I'd be quite as adventurous with my SBR but we'll see if that changes down the line.

[LittleLebowski]

35 round mags on sale at PSA, $12.99. (https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-scorpion-style-magazine-assembly-9x19mm-35rd-not-for-use-in-psa-ak-v.html) Grabbing a couple.

[ffhounddog]

How are people attaching a suppressor to the Evo, I have a SiCo Hybrid that I can go ASR or 3 lug mount.

This little thing has become my travel gun and would like to have a hybrid on it for giggles.

[SeriousStudent]

I used a 3-lug mount for a Octane 9K. It's enough to knock the edge off the sound.

[LOKNLOD]

I used a 3-lug mount for a Octane 9K. It's enough to knock the edge off the sound.

After playing with direct thread options I did go ahead and buy a 3-lug adapter for my Ghost-M. I need to get the one for the can now....
I agree it takes the edge off the sounds but even with heavier sub-weight bullets it's not the quietest.

[HeavyDuty]

How are people attaching a suppressor to the Evo, I have a SiCo Hybrid that I can go ASR or 3 lug mount.

This little thing has become my travel gun and would like to have a hybrid on it for giggles.

I made mine into a krátký using a HB kit, I almost bought their three lug version just in case I get out if this state. Is rebarreling an option?

[jeep45238]

After playing with direct thread options I did go ahead and buy a 3-lug adapter for my Ghost-M. I need to get the one for the can now....
I agree it takes the edge off the sounds but even with heavier sub-weight bullets it's not the quietest.

It's a blowback design, so the more pressure = the more rapid the bolt moves. Unless someone makes a locking bolt system for this, the noise will come out of the chamber.



The one I had lacked a disconnector - are they coming with disconnectors now, or no?

[SeriousStudent]

I made mine into a krátký using a HB kit, I almost bought their three lug version just in case I get out if this state. Is rebarreling an option?

Yes, it is possible to remove the current barrel on a Evo with a special deep socket-style tool. The CZ Custom shop and others sell replacement threaded barrels.

[HeavyDuty]

Yes, it is possible to remove the current barrel on a Evo with a special deep socket-style tool. The CZ Custom shop and others sell replacement threaded barrels.

Right, as I mentioned I replaced mine. I was asking ffhounddog if rebarreling his was an option.

[HeavyDuty]

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31758&d=1540604239

[SeriousStudent]

Ah, there are days that I need more coffee to aid my reading comprehension. Today must be one of them.

It is a fun firearm, I hope you gents keep enjoying yours. :)

[olstyn]

Is there something wrong with me? I shot a friend's Evo carbine last night in a match, and I either I just suck (a distinct possibility) or it's not a good fit for me or some combination of the above, because I found it difficult to do well with - I'm 100% certain that shooting my usual Walther P99 would have resulted in significantly better scores. At one point, I failed to get a mag seated on a reload, and at another, when I tried to fire the first shot after the timer went off, all I got was a click, and somehow there was a double feed. It also felt ergonomically weird - the particular optic he has on it comes pretty close to interfering with the charging handle, and while the safety is easy enough to disengage, I found it difficult to engage it with my thumb while in a shooting grip because the detent is so strong. Further, it seemed to want to jump around in my hands while I was shooting a lot more than the AR-9 I tried out a while back, making the dot bounce a lot. Lastly, every round I ejected had some of the coating on the 125-grain truncated cone Blue Bullets I was using shaved off of the "shoulder" part of the ogive. Are coated bullets a no-go with these guns, or is it just my particular bullet/OAL combo that causes this issue?

I only put ~65 rounds through it, so it's not fair to fully judge it based on that one experience, and it may be that tuning a load to the gun would solve some of the issues I saw, but I think that when/if I ever really dive into PCC (still seems like a lot of fun), it'll probably be with a different gun.

[LittleLebowski]

Ordering.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-palmetto-banana-ak-v-9mm-35-round-magazine.html

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[RevolverRob]

Ordering.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-palmetto-banana-ak-v-9mm-35-round-magazine.html

54780

Okay, awesome. I see they have an AR-version (out of stock, but hopefully it will come back).

On a side note, does anyone else have a retarded number of issues with PSA's website? I keep getting Captcha/ReCaptcha errors. I've shut off PrivacyBadger, white listed it on DISCONNECT, and turned off my flash blocker, and I still get issues, it's very fucking annoying.

[Bigghoss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfooiGgZUUQ

[awp_101]

Okay, awesome. I see they have an AR-version (out of stock, but hopefully it will come back).
Back in stock as of a few minutes ago.

[JM Campbell]

I’m looking for a weapon mounted light, really not sure of what I want. Currently I’m running the MI rail with Mlok slots. What are you guys running? Likes/dislikes?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200614/16745d00e8ccb6913bdc50156ae93bfd.jpg



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[LittleLebowski]

I’m looking for a weapon mounted light, really not sure of what I want. Currently I’m running the MI rail with Mlok slots. What are you guys running? Likes/dislikes?


How much power do you want?

[JM Campbell]

How much power do you want?

All the lumens!!! Seriously enough to identify target 50yds and in.


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[Bigghoss]

I have a 1000 lumen version of the Streamlight ProTac and so far I've been happy with it. Comes with a 1913 mount that can be removed to use scout mounts. Also comes with a button tailcap and a remote switch with momentary and constant function.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VTLLDH4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Impact weapons Components probably has a mount that will work for you.

[LittleLebowski]

All the lumens!!! Seriously enough to identify target 50yds and in.


What form factor, Scout or WML?

[JM Campbell]

What form factor, Scout or WML?

I’d like it to be as low profile as possible, as close to the rail as possible. Scout like most likely, I have a x300 that I think sticks out too far away from the rail and makes a pressure point in my back pack when concealed.


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[Default.mp3]

I’d like it to be as low profile as possible, as close to the rail as possible. Scout like most likely, I have a x300 that I think sticks out too far away from the rail and makes a pressure point in my back pack when concealed.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe easiest thing to do is to get a ModLite PLH 18650 or 18350 (OKW's extreme throw seems overkill for a PCC) and mount it using one of the WotG DLMs (doesn't seem to show up anymore on WotG, so here: https://tacticalshootingproshop.com/frank-proctor-rifle-direct-light-mount/; alternatively, a slightly higher profile mount is the Unity M-LOK Fusion Adapter). I use a ModLite 18350 body with a SureFire DF head, mounted on the ejection port side with a WotG mount onto the HBI handguard, tapeswitch run over the top rail to the other side; I have it mounted on the ejection port side specifically because that's the side my stock folds to.

[LittleLebowski]

I’d like it to be as low profile as possible, as close to the rail as possible. Scout like most likely, I have a x300 that I think sticks out too far away from the rail and makes a pressure point in my back pack when concealed.


I really like the brand new Olight Odin (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?43007-Olight-announces-their-SF-Scout-competitor-today&p=1066650#post1066650), but it sounds like the PL-Mini 2 Valkyrie would work. 600 lumens and tiny.

[LittleLebowski]

Anyone running the Magpul Scorpion mags? They're $19 at Primary Arms and I'm tempted.

https://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-cz-scorpion-pmag-9mm-35-round

[foxj66]

Anyone running the Magpul Scorpion mags? They're $19 at Primary Arms and I'm tempted.

https://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-cz-scorpion-pmag-9mm-35-round

I have 4 of them and they have been good. From what I have seen at work as well they are good mags.

[dontshakepandas]

Anyone running the Magpul Scorpion mags? They're $19 at Primary Arms and I'm tempted.

https://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-cz-scorpion-pmag-9mm-35-round

I had feeding issues with all 6 of the ones I had. I'd stick with OEM mags.

[Default.mp3]

I've not had any noticeable issues since switching to the Magpuls; the only issue I've had is a failure to eject, which I could not pin on the magazine. They do seem to be more durable than the OEM translucent ones (I have had one feedlip start to crack on the one I had kept loaded), have not messed with the OEM non-translucent updated ones.

[foxj66]

I've not had any noticeable issues since switching to the Magpuls; the only issue I've had is a failure to eject, which I could not pin on the magazine. They do seem to be more durable than the OEM translucent ones (I have had one feedlip start to crack on the one I had kept loaded), have not messed with the OEM non-translucent updated ones.

Contact CZ for a replacement on the Translucent ones that cracked. The newer black windowed mags are far better.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m thinking my Scorpion will be my first SBR now that I’m in a friendly state. What does everyone think about the long term durability of the Scorpion?

[LittleLebowski]

I’m thinking my Scorpion will be my first SBR now that I’m in a friendly state. What does everyone think about the long term durability of the Scorpion?

I'd do it.

[LOKNLOD]

Anyone running the Magpul Scorpion mags? They're $19 at Primary Arms and I'm tempted.

https://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-cz-scorpion-pmag-9mm-35-round

Currently 16.99 at classic arms.

[buzz_knox]

Scorpion Carbines with the faux suppressor are available right now. How difficult is it to remove the “suppressor”?

[ccmdfd]

Scorpion Carbines with the faux suppressor are available right now. How difficult is it to remove the “suppressor”?

Unless they've changed something in the last year or two, not difficult.

I used an oil filter wrench to get one off. It was secured with some thread locker but it wasn't the super strong type.

[Up1911Fan]

Just ordered some factory 30 round and Magpul mags. Thinking a pair of these are in my future. Anyone see 20 round mags in stock?

[ffhounddog]

I have 10 magpul that I use exclusively and they work well. I do down load to 30 for training with it just because but I do run some to 35 just because I will load some random 9mm I have sitting around. Also steel case ammo work well in it too. I have loaded 4 with 35 rounds of Winchester 147 grain hollowpoints that I ran with no issues in my CZ Scorpion. I do have been running a lot of 147 grain FMJ for training but have since went to 124 grain CCI that I have a a couple cases of.

[breakingtime91]

Just ordered some factory 30 round and Magpul mags. Thinking a pair of these are in my future. Anyone see 20 round mags in stock?

g and r tactical

[Up1911Fan]

g and r tactical

Thanks, just for a few.

[Up1911Fan]

And since I've been sitting on a pile of mags for a bit, finally figured I'd order the gun. Should be here next week

[Up1911Fan]

I would like to use this Holosun HS515CU on the Scorpion. This is the lowest mounting option that comes with the dot, but it's still to high to use the irons. Any suggestions for a lower mounting solution?

[Default.mp3]

I would like to use this Holosun HS515CU on the Scorpion. This is the lowest mounting option that comes with the dot, but it's still to high to use the irons. Any suggestions for a lower mounting solution?Why not just get a normal height mount that has a cut-out? Assuming you're using the OEM irons, a cheap non-QD option would be the DD Rock & Lock; I personally use a GDI MT-OSM, and a Scalarworks would probably also work fine for this.

[Up1911Fan]

Finally got a brace on mine.
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[Bratch]

Has anyone tried any of the mag couplers? I saw Fisher posted one but hasn’t commented on what it is.

[Phaedrus]

I sold my Scorpion a couple months ago. Great gun, had it for years, just decided it didn't really have a niche that I really needed to fill. Just kind of rejiggered my collection to be be a bit more carbine-oriented.


This is how mine was set up:

https://i.imgur.com/rXFnEct.jpg?1

[TDA]

What kind of accuracy are you all getting?

Mine gave me a bit of a frustrating experience on my initial attempt to dial in a red dot using 124 grain S&B, which had been a good load for me in various handguns. I’m vaguely suspicious of the configuration; I’ve got a lomg CAR style flash hider that was put on to make it fit the OAL length required for a CT legal “other firearm.” Then again, maybe it wants 115grain FMJ?

[HeavyDuty]

Those of you that have SBRed their Scorpion - where did you locate the engraving? This will be my first SBR, and I’m not sure where is best given the plastic chassis.

[HeavyDuty]

I was just out on the CZ website for the first time in ages - at least a year if not longer. It looks like they discontinued the micro with fake integrated can and sliding brace. What is the path now for a suppressed Scorpion in that configuration? I wasn’t crazy about the brace, but the integrated can was intriguing.

[HeavyDuty]

Those of you that have SBRed their Scorpion - where did you locate the engraving? This will be my first SBR, and I’m not sure where is best given the plastic chassis.

My Form 1 is oozing through the bureaucracy, so I need to decide where to engrave. Anyone?

I saw comments posted somewhere that the engraving requirement wasn’t the same as that for serial numbers, and that you could squeeze it on the serial number plate if your trust name and city was short enough. Not sure about this…

[HeavyDuty]

My Form 1 is oozing through the bureaucracy, so I need to decide where to engrave. Anyone?

I saw comments posted somewhere that the engraving requirement wasn’t the same as that for serial numbers, and that you could squeeze it on the serial number plate if your trust name and city was short enough. Not sure about this…

Considering this engraving location - I can’t be the first P-F person to Form 1 a Scorpion, can I?

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[Not HighSpeed]

Wish I could be more informative(maybe comforting), but I'm picking one up at the end of the month with plans to Form 1 it as well, so I'm also interested in this.

With my AR I engraved the front of the magazine well, perhaps I'll continue to the trend for the current and future Form 1s in my trust.

[Up1911Fan]

My "sling bag" project gun is complete. Need to zero later in the week. Vertx Transit 2.0 bag and a level IIIa armor panel are en route.
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[fatdog]

I know the form one engraving has to be on the receiver but I have never read ATF guidance/letters on if polymer engraving is acceptable or if the depth standard is different. I would think it would have to be since a lot of the manufacturers stamp their name and such on the polymer, but it always bugs me since the serial numbers are always engraved on something metal it seems and sometimes they expose enough metal so all the essential mfg. details are on metal parts.

[HeavyDuty]

I know the form one engraving has to be on the receiver but I have never read ATF guidance/letters on if polymer engraving is acceptable or if the depth standard is different. I would think it would have to be since a lot of the manufacturers stamp their name and such on the polymer, but it always bugs me since the serial numbers are always engraved on something metal it seems and sometimes they expose enough metal so all the essential mfg. details are on metal parts.

Almost every engraved Scorpion I’ve seen pics of has it on polymer except for the one I showed above. Apparently the size for NFA engraving doesn’t have to follow the size required for serial numbers, but I’d sure like confirmation of that. I’ll probably do polymer, I’ve seen a few good locations.

[Default.mp3]

Wish I could be more informative(maybe comforting), but I'm picking one up at the end of the month with plans to Form 1 it as well, so I'm also interested in this.

With my AR I engraved the front of the magazine well, perhaps I'll continue to the trend for the current and future Form 1s in my trust.On the Evo, the upper receiver is the serialized part, not the lower.

[fatdog]

FWIW,
I finally received the Timney trigger pack for my Scorpion that I have been chasing for six months. Easy install and the single stage trigger is a very crisp 3.25 lbs now according to my scale. Seems like a very short reset as well. Worthy upgrade since mine is the full length 16" barrel carbine version and only used for PCC competition.

[Up1911Fan]

What do we like for extended safeties? With a proper firing grip on my Scorpion, there's no chance I'm sweeping it off without seriously compromising my grip. It's really stiff and the angle is wrong since swapping the grip. I got an APEX, but don't think it's going to work.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

What do we like for extended safeties? With a proper firing grip on my Scorpion, there's no chance I'm sweeping it off without seriously compromising my grip. It's really stiff and the angle is wrong since swapping the grip. I got an APEX, but don't think it's going to work.

Have you tried the Magpul grip?

[Up1911Fan]

Have you tried the Magpul grip?

Yeah, didn't like it. Using the Yetiwerks grip. Ordered some safeties from Strike Industries to try out.

[Default.mp3]

What do we like for extended safeties? With a proper firing grip on my Scorpion, there's no chance I'm sweeping it off without seriously compromising my grip. It's really stiff and the angle is wrong since swapping the grip. I got an APEX, but don't think it's going to work.Using the Pakse Pathfinder, the Apex Safety Lever Set (not the low profile ones) works okay for me; I typically wear size small leather gloves, medium when it comes to nitrile. I have to move my grip a little bit to swipe it on or off, but nothing major. You could also look at the PMM and possibly the HBI AK-esque ones.

[HeavyDuty]

My Form 1 was finally approved, so I need to figure out the engraving location pretty quickly.

[23JAZ]

This is on the way. Ordered the new SBTEVO-G2 as well. Hope they arrive before Sunday Funday. The grip will be the first thing to go. Any preferences on Apex vs Yeti etc. Also thinking the HB duckbill mag release and mini AK safety levers. Any experienced input on parts is welcome.
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[JM Campbell]

This is on the way. Ordered the new SBTEVO-G2 as well. Hope they arrive before Sunday Funday. The grip will be the first thing to go. Any preferences on Apex vs Yeti etc. Also thinking the HB duckbill mag release and mini AK safety levers. Any experienced input on parts is welcome.
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I prefer the apex grip.

The HB duck bill and ak safety levers are my favorite and a large improvement over stock imo.
Check out HB trigger spring kit and flat face trigger as well.


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[23JAZ]

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She showed up today. A day early and with two 20 round mags not 1 like the ad stated. My neighbor/FFL had some EV9 PMags so I grabbed a couple to try out. The HS515 looks good on there l but I will have to look through it with the brace on to see if I want something that can sit lower.

[TDA]

Mine still patterns instead of groups at 50 yards, what is baseline accuracy supposed to be like?

[23JAZ]

Mini AK levers and new grip completely change the feel.
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[HeavyDuty]

I must be one of the five or so people who actually like the factory grip angle.

[23JAZ]

Mine seems to be accurate.

5 shots of Tula 115 grain at 25 yards supported off my truck bed cover, no brace.
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3 shots of HST 147 grain at 25 yards supported off my truck bed cover, no brace.
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[23JAZ]

The SBTEVO-G2 feels solid. Even the cuff is stout. Damn that micro sure is a good time!
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[HeavyDuty]

Question - is anyone aware of a very small M-LOK combination handstop and white light? It doesn’t need to be face melting bright, it would just be for identification.

I have the short handguard like 23JAZ’s, and there isn’t a lot of handspace. Plus I have dual charging handles.

[jandbj]

Question - is anyone aware of a very small M-LOK combination handstop and white light? It doesn’t need to be face melting bright, it would just be for identification.

I have the short handguard like 23JAZ’s, and there isn’t a lot of handspace. Plus I have dual charging handles.

Certainly not a face melter at only 20 lumens but nothing else is this tiny...https://missionfirsttactical.com/TBLW

(But I’m also old enough to remember our 60lumen surefire 6p lights as being AMAZING!)

[HeavyDuty]

Certainly not a face melter at only 20 lumens but nothing else is this tiny...https://missionfirsttactical.com/TBLW

(But I’m also old enough to remember our 60lumen surefire 6p lights as being AMAZING!)

That just may work - thank you!

I remember getting my first 6P, too. Is that all they are?

[HeavyDuty]

I just realized something… now that the Scorpion is SBRed, I can add a vertical grip. Right?

[JRB]

I just realized something… now that the Scorpion is SBRed, I can add a vertical grip. Right?

Yep!

[HeavyDuty]

I just realized something… now that the Scorpion is SBRed, I can add a vertical grip. Right?


Yep!

I’m finding a maker of HK style M-LOK combined VFG and handstops - A3 Tactical. I want to maintain a hand stop, and also prefer a smaller round VFG like they offer. The other option would be to retain my current Magpul handstop and just add a VFG. Time to start looking. Thanks!

[jandbj]

I’m finding a maker of HK style M-LOK combined VFG and handstops - A3 Tactical. I want to maintain a hand stop, and also prefer a smaller round VFG like they offer. The other option would be to retain my current Magpul handstop and just add a VFG. Time to start looking. Thanks!

Sig has a slightly angled ala mp5k vertical grip handstop combo too that’s m-lok.

[HeavyDuty]

Sig has a slightly angled ala mp5k vertical grip handstop combo too that’s m-lok.

I’m not seeing it on SIG’s website. Where did you see it?

[jandbj]

I’m not seeing it on SIG’s website. Where did you see it?

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/798681598991

[HeavyDuty]

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/798681598991

Thanks! I was looking on the site for a one piece, and missed this one.

[jandbj]

If you want something smaller gun tec USA makes a QD hand stop that’s pretty good too

[HeavyDuty]

Ended up with the A3 Tactical handstop/VFG combination.

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[23JAZ]

800 rounds in and not a single hiccup.
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[Dragnframe]

800 rounds in and not a single hiccup.
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I need some more info on this master piece.

[Up1911Fan]

So I've tried and hated most of the safties on the market. Pretty sure I've had 4 different versions on my Scorpion until this week. Magpul hit it out of the park with their kit. I finally have a lever I can reach without breaking my grip and that's actually at a good angle. I'm using the long lever on the left side and the short one on the right side. For me these are a must have Scorpion upgrade.

[Up1911Fan]

Pics of Magpul selectors.
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[757_Magnum]

Bumping this thread since I just won a Scorpion (and was SOOO close to winning a Holosun AEMS) and am considering SBRing it. I'm trying to decide between the Magpul Zhukov stock or the OEM. Has anyone compared the two? I've come to prefer high mounted optics lately, and I'm wondering if the OEM stock's downward slope for the irons would allow me to use a standard 1/3 mount for the same effect, or if the straight line of the Zhukov would require something like the Unity riser. If anyone has shot both, do you remember if the recoil impulse was any different between the two?

Also, don't wait too long if you're on the fence about a Scorpion or have it on the back burner. The prices are going up by about $300. There's still quite a few available at current prices, but my buddy who happens to work at my favorite gun shop said they've confirmed their new dealer prices reflect this.

[willie]

My lgs is a CZ dealer and has a large number of these in stock. They ship. I was told that CZ raised prices 14% across the board.

[HeavyDuty]

Bumping this thread since I just won a Scorpion (and was SOOO close to winning a Holosun AEMS) and am considering SBRing it. I'm trying to decide between the Magpul Zhukov stock or the OEM. Has anyone compared the two? I've come to prefer high mounted optics lately, and I'm wondering if the OEM stock's downward slope for the irons would allow me to use a standard 1/3 mount for the same effect, or if the straight line of the Zhukov would require something like the Unity riser. If anyone has shot both, do you remember if the recoil impulse was any different between the two?

Also, don't wait too long if you're on the fence about a Scorpion or have it on the back burner. The prices are going up by about $300. There's still quite a few available at current prices, but my buddy who happens to work at my favorite gun shop said they've confirmed their new dealer prices reflect this.

My Scorpion is a SBR-K with a CZ stock. I was scrunching down too much with the factory sights, and just recently moved to a set of MBUS Pros and a ROMEO4T in a lower 1/3 Reptilia mount - much better. I would think the higher comb of the Zhukov would almost require the higher mount.

[757_Magnum]

Just when I get all the upgrades I ordered and I'm about to submit for a form 1.

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[Default.mp3]

Just when I get all the upgrades I ordered and I'm about to submit for a form 1.

85908https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/03/14/cz-scorpion-3-micro-pistol/

Updated handguard and grip makes it a nicer option out the box. The new controls might also widen its appeal to folks, though since it's just a toy to me, I'm perfectly fine to stick with my old lower. Pricing is definitely creeping up though.

[757_Magnum]

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So is this a new model in the lineup, or is the current Scorpion being discontinued? I couldn't find the answer to that with my Google-fu. It's odd that they moved to the AR style mag release since I don't recall anyone complaining about the current one, but they didn't upgrade the safety levers that were the biggest gripe. I also read that the new mags won't work in current Scorpions. Meh, overall. I'm happy with mine.

[Default.mp3]

@Default.mp3 (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=1132)

So is this a new model in the lineup, or is the current Scorpion being discontinued? I couldn't find the answer to that with my Google-fu. It's odd that they moved to the AR style mag release since I don't recall anyone complaining about the current one, but they didn't upgrade the safety levers that were the biggest gripe. I also read that the new mags won't work in current Scorpions. Meh, overall. I'm happy with mine.Not sure about whether the old version will be discontinued, though they still remain on the CZ-USA website for now.

I'm not sure there's a need to upgrade the safety levers, given that they've changed the grip angle; AFAIK, most folks were fine with the OEM safety so long as they changed the grip to something with vertical.

The new mags do work with the older Scorpions; rather, it's the old mags that don't work with the new 3 Plus, since they lack to side cutout to interface with the AR-style magazine release.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTddljtDbME

[foxj66]

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So is this a new model in the lineup, or is the current Scorpion being discontinued? I couldn't find the answer to that with my Google-fu. It's odd that they moved to the AR style mag release since I don't recall anyone complaining about the current one, but they didn't upgrade the safety levers that were the biggest gripe. I also read that the new mags won't work in current Scorpions. Meh, overall. I'm happy with mine.

Current scorpion pistol is still in the line up.

As for the safety lever I find it to work well for me when the grip is changed on the old guns and works well with the new guns. The new mags are backwards compatible and work in the current guns, old mags dont have the AR mag release cut out.

[HeavyDuty]

I must be unusual - for me the stock grip angle is fine when shouldered, and the safety lever is workable (I did replace the offside one with a blank.)

[psalms144.1]

Bumping this in light of the expected ATF ruling on any current style brace. There are plenty of "bare tube" options for AR9s, is there anything like that for the Scorpion? The newest version of this little thing is giving me the wants...

[HeavyDuty]

Bumping this in light of the expected ATF ruling on any current style brace. There are plenty of "bare tube" options for AR9s, is there anything like that for the Scorpion? The newest version of this little thing is giving me the wants...

Honestly? I’d just run it sans brace with a single point sling under tension. I was using mine that way for awhile.

[foxj66]

Bumping this in light of the expected ATF ruling on any current style brace. There are plenty of "bare tube" options for AR9s, is there anything like that for the Scorpion? The newest version of this little thing is giving me the wants...

If you are talking about Pistol Buffer tubes, you can still get the threaded end caps for them. Ones from the original scorpion will fit the 3 Plus, personally if still legal I would use the new SB brace.

[oregon45]

What's the current consensus on the Magpul magazines for the Scorpion? Any compelling reason to go with the Scorpion 3+ over a standard Scorpion other than the change in grip and mag-release?

[HeavyDuty]

After SBRing my Scorpion I found I really didn’t care a whole lot for the factory stock, especially after I changed out the sights. I recently picked up a Magpul Zhukov stock on a HB Industries adapter, and am liking it much better so far. LOP is fractionally less than the CZ stock, and it folds flat to the right side. I’m not sure if it can be reliably fired when folded, at least not in the shortest position - not really a concern for me.

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