Share ACT...

[voodoo_man]

PDF https://naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/discussion_draft_--_share_act.pdf

TITLE XVIII—LAWFUL PURPOSE AND SELF-DEFENSE
Sec. 1801. Short title.
Sec. 1802. Elimination of authority to reclassify popular rifle ammunition as
‘‘armor piercing ammunition’’.
Sec. 1803. Elimination of restrictions on importation of non-National Firearms
Act firearm or ammunition that may otherwise be lawfully possessed
and sold in the United States.
Sec. 1804. Protection of shotguns, shotgun shells, and large caliber rifles from
arbitrary classification as ‘‘destructive devices’’.
Sec. 1805. Broadening of the temporary interstate transfer provision to allow
temporary transfers for all lawful purposes rather than just for
‘‘sporting purposes’’.


HPA is title XVII

[Bolt_Overide]

My concern is now it can be stripped out by some jackass.

[voodoo_man]

My concern is now it can be stripped out by some jackass.

That's always something which may occur but it seems to me that there is plenty of arguments to be made for HPA, especially attached to legislation like the rest of that which is included.

Especially if there is serious backing, which there is.

[Bolt_Overide]

Pretty sure my opinion is unpopular, but.... I think that everything but FA and DD need to be removed from NFA. A nics is plenty for those. Maybe I'm paranoid but im just not comfortable with anyone and everyone being able to buy a machine gun or a recoil-less rifle whenever they want. I will grant that the current system is ridiculous, and I agree the second amendment is meant as written. I would be more comfortable with it if we had a good way to keep mental defectives from getting guns.

Suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs do not need to be part of the NFA.

[Grey]

Pretty sure my opinion is unpopular, but.... I think that everything but FA and DD need to be removed from NFA. A nics is plenty for those. Maybe I'm paranoid but im just not comfortable with anyone and everyone being able to buy a machine gun or a recoil-less rifle whenever they want. I will grant that the current system is ridiculous, and I agree the second amendment is meant as written. I would be more comfortable with it if we had a good way to keep mental defectives from getting guns.

Suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs do not need to be part of the NFA.
People can buy vehicles which can be far worse than stuff you can buy that is regulated by the nfa...

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

[Bolt_Overide]

true enough.

[Grey]

Anyone know when the hearing is rescheduled to? Shooting in Alexandria postponed it.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

[joshs]

Anyone know when the hearing is rescheduled to? Shooting in Alexandria postponed it.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

It's not calendered yet.

[Drang]

Anyone know when the hearing is rescheduled to? Shooting in Alexandria postponed it.
TinFoilHat
Gee, a high-profile shooting of a government official just before a hearing on a gun rights bill...
/TinFoilHat

[JSGlock34]

So, this would also kill 922(R)? Am I reading that right?

SEC. 1803. ELIMINATION OF RESTRICTIONS ON IMPORTA- TION OF NON-NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARM OR AMMUNITION THAT MAY OTH- ERWISE BE LAWFULLY POSSESSED AND SOLD
IN THE UNITED STATES.
(a) ELIMINATION OF PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—
(1) in subsection (a), by striking paragraph (7) and inserting the following:
‘‘(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless the manufacture or importation of the ammunition—
‘‘(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or polit- ical subdivision of a State;
‘‘(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or
‘‘(C) is for the purpose of testing or ex- perimentation, and has been authorized by the Attorney General;’’;
(2) in subsection (l), by striking ‘‘925(d) of this
chapter’’ and inserting ‘‘925’’; and (3) by striking subsection (r).

[voodoo_man]

Maybe they'll go the other way and add national reciprocity to it seeing as how the congressmen would be able to carry with it....who knows.

[voodoo_man]

Apperently the SHUSH act was introduced the other day...

http://www.guns.com/2017/07/05/lawmakers-introduce-shush-act-to-classify-suppressors-as-gun-accessory/

They are really trying, which is good.

[Drang]

I like Tams take on the SHUSH Act: Knight's Fork (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2017/07/knights-fork.html)

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I like Tams take on the SHUSH Act: Knight's Fork (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2017/07/knights-fork.html)

Totally agree. I would be happy to buy a suppressor after a background check, whereas the federal government implying that our second amendment rights are invalid if there is no "sporting purpose" is a clear affront to the spirit of the Constitution.

[BWT]

Pretty sure my opinion is unpopular, but.... I think that everything but FA and DD need to be removed from NFA. A nics is plenty for those. Maybe I'm paranoid but im just not comfortable with anyone and everyone being able to buy a machine gun or a recoil-less rifle whenever they want. I will grant that the current system is ridiculous, and I agree the second amendment is meant as written. I would be more comfortable with it if we had a good way to keep mental defectives from getting guns.

Suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs do not need to be part of the NFA.

Not trying to Martyr you over this stance.

But just a thought, the 2nd amendment was about standing up to tyrannical governments and before anyone takes the "Nobody needs a belt fed and/or rockets, etc.". A lot of the casualties the US has sustained in the GWOT aren't from MG's, Rockets, etc. but IED's.

The MG's and Rockets aren't helping out ISIS, etc. which is better than what you or I could get currently. So what chance do you really stand of "MOLON LABE"-ing out?

Night Vision technologies/lasers are heavily restricted or just not sold to civilians, etc.

Freedom and individual liberties were a radical idea in general back in the 1700's and still are in most of the world.

Just something to think over with your mindset.

Personally, and I may be martyred for this. I hope Suppressors, SBR's, SBS', AOW's are never removed from the NFA because if they are; we'll leave MG's and DD's on the sacrificial altar.

I hope Suppressors aren't deregulated because they help us as a subculture fight for all of our rights versus just your stance.

That's how I see it anyway.

I love our Government and I love our soldiers/LE and as a Christian I should (Romans 13:1-4), but this is a plainly obvious situation to me.

God Bless,

Brandon

[LittleLebowski]

t?

Night Vision technologies/lasers are heavily restricted or just not sold to civilians, etc.


Personally, and I may be martyred for this. I hope Suppressors, SBR's, SBS', AOW's are never removed from the NFA because if they are; we'll leave MG's and DD's on the sacrificial altar.

I hope Suppressors aren't deregulated because they help us as a subculture fight for all of our rights versus just your stance.


What is so hard about purchasing NVGs and lasers? Honestly asking.

Insofar as suppressors, I disagree. Widely available suppressors will attract more shooters. Widely available suppressors will make shooting ranges less easily closed.

[Mike C]

Gotta agree with LL. There is actually an example of this where I live. Someone that lives close to a large range here was constantly filing noise complaints. The range existed before the residents bought the house. They new what they were getting into. Later they made a false claim of rifle rounds landing near their home since noise complaints were having no effect. Bogus as rifles weren't shot in that direction, (the rifle range was on the other side of the range facing away from any homes for miles).

As a means to appease the residents the range settled for opening late on Sunday's and only allowing pistols to be shot unless you have a suppressor. I get why the range did it but it's still shitty because some people can only get to the range on Sundays and now they are restricted unless they waited a year and paid their blood money.

Bottom line for me is if we can avoid being a naissance to others we are less likely to have our rights infringed upon. This bill would go a long way as there are examples in more than one location I have lived where: ranges get screwed with, sued or eventually shut down over noise.

[BWT]

That is a good point and honestly with the urbanization of America it makes sense. I'll concede that and change my view. I'm still worried lots of Gun owners share that feeling and I'm thinking if we hold that view then how could we ever restore our rights?

As far as lasers; I was referring to IR lasers and NVG's. I'm not that well versed on the matter so I did some searching and found a FAQ at a popular vendor that covers that. https://tnvc.com/faq/

Now I couldn't afford NVG and IR Lasers but just pointing it out.

God Bless,

Brandon

ETA: When I say that feeling in the second sentence I mean not being able to own MG's or DD's. Both are not illegal but MG's might as well be for average Joe and DD's you can't own anything beyond large caliber weapons or a few exceptions without tightly scrutinized licensing for the sole purpose of Mil/LE research and sales, etc.

[Grey]

I might be the minority but I would gladly leave DD and MG on the NFA to get the rest of it off... they are already all on the NFA so getting some off is a win in my book.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

[Drang]

I might be the minority but I would gladly leave DD and MG on the NFA to get the rest of it off... they are already all on the NFA so getting some off is a win in my book.

17952
Not sayin' I completely disagree.

OTOH, we need to do away with the Hughes Amendment.

[JRCHolsters]

I know I am in the minority on this one....... They need to repeal all the current firearms laws and acts. Plain and simple. I have a no compromise attitude on this subject. Compromise and dealing has gotten us exactly where we are today...trying to hold on to what we have and pinch back a little at a time. I say go "full frontal" on the pro-gun end, same as the anti-gunners. Even if I have no personal use for something, if it is pro-gun I am for it. It's a simple mindset I have, but it's the only one I have time for anymore. I am never willing to give something up in order to curry favor for something else. It never works to your advantage in the end.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

I know I am in the minority on this one....... They need to repeal all the current firearms laws and acts. Plain and simple. I have a no compromise attitude on this subject. Compromise and dealing has gotten us exactly where we are today...trying to hold on to what we have and pinch back a little at a time. I say go "full frontal" on the pro-gun end, same as the anti-gunners. Even if I have no personal use for something, if it is pro-gun I am for it. It's a simple mindset I have, but it's the only one I have time for anymore. I am never willing to give something up in order to curry favor for something else. It never works to your advantage in the end.

Well that makes two of us in the minority. The constitution is pretty clear about the 2nd amendment. We can partly thank our own community for getting us here and then helping us stay. The "gun community" has bastardized the 2nd amendment by trying to justify rifles like the AR-15 and suppressor as being ok because they have "sporting purposes."

I don't own an AR-15 or suppressor for "sporting purposes." Yes they can serve those purposes too, but that's not my primary motivation for owning them.

As citizens, if we have the cash, we should be able to drive down to the local shop and walk out with a suppressed HK23 and a Carl Gustav. Because, the second amendment is all about keeping the government in check and nothing to do with "personal defense" and "hunting." That's just common fucking sense that someone has the right to defend them selves and kill their own food.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Odin Bravo One]

I'll learn.

Some day.

[BWT]

I'll learn.

Some day.

I always appreciate your input and perspective.

How do you view this matter?

If you wouldn't mind sharing; I'm genuinely curious.

God Bless,

Brandon

[TAZ]

I know I am in the minority on this one....... They need to repeal all the current firearms laws and acts. Plain and simple. I have a no compromise attitude on this subject. Compromise and dealing has gotten us exactly where we are today...trying to hold on to what we have and pinch back a little at a time. I say go "full frontal" on the pro-gun end, same as the anti-gunners. Even if I have no personal use for something, if it is pro-gun I am for it. It's a simple mindset I have, but it's the only one I have time for anymore. I am never willing to give something up in order to curry favor for something else. It never works to your advantage in the end.

I would be lying if I told you I disagree with your opinion. I think 99% of us would agree on the concept of wiping the slate clean ASAFP. However, the reality of the matter is that going full bore with no compromise ever will back fire like no tomorrow. We didn't get to where we are overnight and it's unrealistic to believe that we can undo it in a few moves. We do need to play a more aggressive game like the antis have been doing. Demand a mile and let your opponent think he won when he gives you a yard. Fact is you won cause you had nothing and have a yard. The conservative political movement here has no idea how to negotiate, simply cause they aren't interested in fixing the problem. If the problem were fixed who would pay their salaries or dues???

It going to take years to undo the damage we have done to the Constitution and it will require multiple compromises and multiple attempts to keep gaining ground. That is the reality we live in.

[jc000]

I say go "full frontal" on the pro-gun end, same as the anti-gunners.

While I do agree with you in general, you're wrong on this point. The left has been slowly but very persistently chipping away at things for decades. They definitely know how to play the long game.

[JRCHolsters]

All I can say, from my point of view is this..... You don't play by the enemies rules. If they are great at chipping away on a long haul, why in the world would you play the same game with the experts? This method has done nothing but given away our rights. With more of the general public waking up to gun ownership, you don't play it safe with the leftist extremists, you crush them and get the stragglers to act more extreme, thereby alienating mid ground support. Just my honest opinion.