Pat Mac on Comedy Central

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http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/vek0yl/stand-up-jordan-solves-previews/tmcgtz

Pat mentioned he'd be doing this bit during my December class.

[Serpico1985]

Political BS asside, anytime a liberal gets exposed to guns in a positive way and can admit that it's not the evil thing they imagine, it's a good thing.

[Sensei]

Oh, hell no! He did not just say that. He did not just come out in favor of background checks and waiting periods. Mother f...

OK, some of you hero worshippers might want to avert your eyes as Sensei takes ol'Pat out behind the woodshed for some of that discipline.

;)

[Robinson]

Pat Mac was pretty funny in that vid.

The internets might go ablaze with talk about the waiting period comment.

[Tamara]

Oh, hell no! He did not just say that. He did not just come out in favor of background checks and waiting periods. Mother f...

OK, some of you hero worshippers might want to avert your eyes as Sensei takes ol'Pat out behind the woodshed for some of that discipline.

;)

I'd be interested to see what that raw footage looked like.

[Tamara]

PThe internets might go ablaze with talk about the waiting period comment.

They will. The A. hoplus is an easily-stampeded herd animal.

[Sensei]

I'd be interested to see what that raw footage looked like.

Let me tell you, it wasn't pretty.

[LittleLebowski]

They will. The A. hoplus is an easily-stampeded herd animal.

So, a no go on the hopli plural?

[Tamara]

So, a no go on the hopli plural?

"The American coyote is a clever pack hunter" would be correct, while "The American coyotes is a clever pack hunter" would not. :)

[LittleLebowski]

"The American coyote is a clever pack hunter" would be correct, while "The American coyotes is a clever pack hunter" would not. :)

I like to hunt over bait :cool:

[Trooper224]

Actually, that was pretty awesome. I loved the "WTF" look on his face when Pat said, "Gas it up and burn it down."

[JHC]

They will. The A. hoplus is an easily-stampeded herd animal.

I'm not litmus obsessed so I'm good.

[Hambo]

I like to hunt over bait :cool:

You succeeded. :cool:

[Tamara]

I'm too aspie to get it, anyway.

[LOKNLOD]

Pat Mac aside, I'm afraid the full episode will not be as kind. At the very least, it will be "see universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole and some waiting periods are fine with real gun owners it's just the NRA being bad guys!"

[BJXDS]

I never really understood waiting periods, if that's Pat's opinion, he is entitled to it. The whole thing looks like a push by the antis show a division between 2A supporters.

Common sense gun control??? I practiced my version of gun control at the range today, I was able to hit what I was aiming at.

[busdriver]

I never really understood waiting periods.
I have only ever heard one potential application. If a person went and bought a gun, waited, then used it to kill someone it could be used to prove pre-meditation. It sounds a bit fanciful, but I could see someone dreaming it up.

[Sal Picante]

"The American coyote is a clever pack hunter" would be correct, while "The American coyotes is a clever pack hunter" would not. :)

Unless you're Mexican and have a heavy accent...

[rob_s]

So now the contrarian hip thing to do is to *not* take a gun celebrity to task for expressing an unpopular opinion?

I have such a hard time keeping up.

[spinmove_]

So now the contrarian hip thing to do is to *not* take a gun celebrity to task for expressing an unpopular opinion?

I have such a hard time keeping up.

I somewhat agree, but to a point. We already have universal background checks (NICS). Do we still need them? Eh, it could be argued that they can do positive things. Waiting periods, IMHO, are dumb and unnecessary.


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[Artemas2]

Depending on your state we already have all these. The UBC is a political feel good measure "hey taxpayers I am doing something!"

That said, Pat is a smart guy and he knows what kind of channel CC is, less spoken, the less they can twist his words.

The anti-gun people I know genuinely can't grasp why we chose to carry a gun. Their primary frame of reference is shootings on the news where little innocent Timmy was shot. We need small steps, and Pat has done just that.

[Tamara]

...the contrarian hip thing to do...

MY. SIDES.

[Chemsoldier]

That said, Pat is a smart guy and he knows what kind of channel CC is, less spoken, the less they can twist his words.

I have never met him but there is a lot to this idea. Aside from being stupid, ineffective, costs money and is fraught with peril for gun owners, I have no issues with UBC. One can easily accept the concept and still look at nearly 100% of proposals and find them unacceptable.

[spinmove_]

I have never met him but there is a lot to this idea. Aside from being stupid, ineffective, costs money and is fraught with peril for gun owners, I have no issues with UBC. One can easily accept the concept and still look at nearly 100% of proposals and find them unacceptable.

The concept and intention of a UBC system is good. It's execution, however, is an entirely different matter. We don't need ANOTHER solution. We need to fix and/or better execute the ones we already have.

I think Pat Mac is a great ambassador for this kind of conversation because he's got enough silly bravado to grab your attention, but he's also smart enough and articulate enough to have the kind of intelligent conversation this topic requires all while being able to keep it pedestrian enough for most people to grasp the concepts.


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[voodoo_man]

First and foremost, it says shall not be infringed, not shall be slightly infringed for only three days. Any restriction, any rule or law, which is not identically applied to other amendments or rights is an infringement and has no place in free American culture.

With that said, I have no doubt PatMac has any issues against the Second Amendment and that what he was doing was trying to get "his foot in the door" for television, which is probably a goal of many people on youtube, as TV actually pays much better and consistently to a larger audience. There is also a large unknown as to what that actual conversation was about and we just saw a quick edited snippet. I, for one, will not make an opinion on a snippet of edited video.

[rob_s]

I tried to find the post and couldn't, but someone on Facebook asked him to clarify and he confirmed that he is in favor of waiting periods.

[Peally]

Waiting periods are stupid, it was so convenient when they got rid of them here in WI. That being said Pat isn't running around making laws so I don't really care, it's no longer a problem here. We already have unenforced background checks so that's already done, they just need teeth.

I like Pat Mac but feeding the media retards out there is a waste of time when he could be doing something productive like lifting tires and pushing trucks around.

[Poconnor]

I thought he did a great job. We are in a war for gun rights. We won't win every battle. I believe Pat knows this. I have a very politically active gun rights friend. He open carrys as a political statement. He says he is trying to educate people. I fear he is making enemies of guns by scaring people. (Sheep) I believe "shall not be infringed" means just that. Guns are a civil right issue to me. But too many people don't believe that and they vote. They vote for politicians and judges who want to violate my rights; who try to make gun owners sound stupid, ignorant and low class every time they can. I grew up with a waiting period. I didn't like it then and I wouldn't like it now. Truthfully it wouldn't effect Me. I already own a lot of guns. (Wife says too many, but she's wrong). Waiting periods only affect first time Gun buyers. If your 40 years old and you finally decide you need a gun to protect yourself and family welcome to the fold. But WTF? That's like like "I want to learn to swim now because the cruise boat is sinking". the only reason for waiting periods is to stop mentally ill people; but it won't stop them. If they want to kill themselves or hurt someone else they will find a way. How many of us would agree to a waiting period if applied to supressors and SBRs? Ten day wait and pick them up ? Fuck ya!!!

[TAZ]

I tried to find the post and couldn't, but someone on Facebook asked him to clarify and he confirmed that he is in favor of waiting periods.

That stinks. I'd really like to hear what he thinks they would solve, aside from appease the anti-gun nut jobs. Waiting periods for law abiding folks who pass a NICS check seems like a solution looking for a problem to me.

[GRV]

Poll: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26355-Background-Check-and-Three-Day-Waiting-Period

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If they want to kill themselves or hurt someone else they will find a way.Research suggests that ease of suicide methods does play a role in suicide rates, the switch from coal gas to natural gas ovens in the UK being one of the most famous examples: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC478945/

Construction of suicide barriers on popular suicide bridges does not offload the suicides to surrounding bridges: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/190/3/266.full

Of course, it's near impossible to come out publicly in support for a person's right to suicide, so it's hard to counter this line of thinking, should waiting periods be shown to have an actual positive effect on impulsive acts (both against self and/or others), although I personally am not aware of any research that suggests a causal link.

[Peally]

If they're a real dickhead they'll just go down to the range and rent a gun there.

[TXBK]

I tried to find the post and couldn't, but someone on Facebook asked him to clarify and he confirmed that he is in favor of waiting periods.

http://i.imgur.com/dThDhIql.jpg

[Sensei]

All joking aside, those with conservative leanings are wise to avoid media outlets like Comedy Central, Real Time with Bill Mahar, MSLSD, etc. These liberal outlets have 2 purposes - make Conservatives look bad and discredit their positions. Conservatives go into these shows armed with righteous intentions and confidence in their beliefs only come away looking like bumbling idiots after editing and the liberal audience has its way. A perfect example is the Katie Couric interview on Yahoo where deceptive editing changed the entire context of the conversation.

Mr. McNamera walked into an obvious trap designed to get a "gun spokesman" to undermine core 2nd Amendment issues. He didn't want to be seen as against "common sense safety measures" and ran afoul of important 2nd Amendment issues. There will be very little return on that lost ground since the average Comedy Central viewer is repulsed by his style and would much rather spend their parent's allowance on granola and gay porn than buy a gun or attend Mr. McNamara's classes.

Let this be a lesson: unless you are a trained spokesman with a sold grasp of the issues, keep your media appearance limited to YouTube.

[Amp]

^^^^Spot on, well said!

[Robinson]

The unfortunate thing is that now a lot of people on the internet will probably start saying things like "Pat Mac is an enemy of the 2nd Amendment and has taken the side of the gun grabbers". Which as a blanket statement is probably very incorrect. Would that those people were nuanced enough to say "Pat Mac is a patriot who does a lot to support the 2nd Amendment but who I disagree with on a point he made recently".

[Chance]

OK, some of you hero worshippers might want to avert your eyes as Sensei takes ol'Pat out behind the woodshed for some of that discipline.


Unless you drug him first, you're going to die.

[TAZ]

I'm far from the point of thinking PatMac is anti 2A or that I'm never going to take a class from him cause he said he supports a waiting period. That's retarded.

It's OK to disagree with even Pat Mac.

Not sure I agree about the whole crime of passion/spontaneity. By definition those generally don't happen with someone running off to a gun store to buy a gun. They happen RFN with whatever tools are available.

I'm also not sold on the idea of suicide being impacted by a waiting period for firearms. Not a shrink, but suicide is not a RFN thing. The folks in my family that tried it were contemplating for long periods while they worked up the nerve so to speak. I'm sure there are those who have a bad day and RFN it, but I'd like to know whether a day or 2 would make a real difference. Maby get them through one depression episode, but then what happens at the next one a few months later?? Are we also going to impose waiting periods for rope, garden hoses or RX meds as those account for similar % of suicides?

[jc000]

I'm not now gonna become a PatMac hater, but this is really disappointing to hear and absolutely changes my view of him (for whatever that's worth). I get the sense that some higher-speed folks (and maybe many more wannabe high-speed folks) operate under the assumption that the average joe needs to demonstrate some sort of proficiency to own / carry weapons. While that's a laudable goal, that's not what the 2A is about.

[Tamara]

I'm also not sold on the idea of suicide being impacted by a waiting period for firearms. Not a shrink, but suicide is not a RFN thing.

Impulsive suicides happen with guns that are already owned.

Anybody with the gumption to drive out to fill out a 4473 for a suicide has the gumption to just rent the gun to do it.

[MGW]

Impulsive suicides happen with guns that are already owned.

Anybody with the gumption to drive out to fill out a 4473 for a suicide has the gumption to just rent the gun to do it.

Around these parts they like to rent them, walk up to the firing line, and then commit sideways. Makes for a bit of excitement for the other patrons of the facility.

I guess that's the opposite of impulsive though.

[ssb]

Around these parts they like to rent them, walk up to the firing line, and then commit sideways. Makes for a bit of excitement for the other patrons of the facility.

I guess that's the opposite of impulsive though.

Many ranges I'm familiar with now require you to have at least one other person with you if you're renting and don't have a firearm of your own with you, in hopes of deterring that very thing.

[HCM]

Ok, first let me re-iterate I believe waiting periods are useless and Universal Background Checks are good in theory but problematic in practice.

With that out of the way, apparently there is actually someone dumb enough to threaten Pat Mac over his statements on Comedy Central.

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Not to mention the fact this is a federal crime under 18 USC 875 (C)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875

[Peally]

Don't worry, when there isn't a leftist retard available for comment a right wing retard will gladly fill the gap. What a toothless dipshit.

[TAZ]

From P&S on FB:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170608/1f35e642f4647ebfb1c7d77362da6ce5.jpg

Unless the screen cap in post 33 above is fake or from some other tmacs inc employee, Pat Mac seems to answer pretty affirmatively.

Would like to hear more of his thought processes on the subject. He may well be able to articulate a sound argument worth listening to. Doesn't mean we all have to change our perspectives, I think it wise to listen to people's arguments before tossing their opinions aside.

Unless it's Hillary Clinton, then we can toss them aside without wasting time [emoji3]

[Ed L]

I think the whole thing was conducted with anti-gun guy using select terms and ending as if there were common ground.

I am sure the anti gun guy in that vid would want to see the AR that he learned to shoot as well as the handgun he was shooting. But he did not mention those to Pat since he knew there would be no agreement.

[TXBK]

Unless the screen cap in post 33 above is fake or from some other tmacs inc employee, Pat Mac seems to answer pretty affirmatively.

Full disclosure: The screen shot that I posted is not my screen shot. It is actually a screen shot of someone else's screen shot. It is posted on Raven Concealment's FB page. https://www.facebook.com/Raven-Concealment-Systems-305851175686/?hc_ref=SEARCH

I'm sure that there was way more to the interview than what we see in the video. While that point of the video did have me scratching my head, it did not cause me to put a file to my pitchfork. The internet can be so entertaining sometimes.

[Hambo]

Ah, Trigger Time... Brings back good memories.

Nostalgia aside, rather than eat our own we should save our wrath for true anti-gunners. Last I checked we've had background checks in place for some time, so it's not a big concession to say "I'm OK with background checks."

Feel free to light me up like a Xmas tree.

[tanner]

I have responded to suicide and attempted suicide runs where we found the receipt to the gun and the box of ammo dated the same day. I have also responded to range rental gun suicides.

Can't really legislate shit like that and make it go away.

[Peally]

Ah, Trigger Time... Brings back good memories.

Nostalgia aside, rather than eat our own we should save our wrath for true anti-gunners. Last I checked we've had background checks in place for some time, so it's not a big concession to say "I'm OK with background checks."

Feel free to light me up like a Xmas tree.

No one here will. It's the braindead average gun owning public that fanatically crucifies people without second thought.

[voodoo_man]

No one here will. It's the braindead average gun owning public that fanatically crucifies people without second thought.

Have you seen the knee jerk reaction I got in the hypothetical law poll thread? Pretty normal here too it seems.

[Tamara]

It seems that "knee jerk crucifixion" has been defined way down since bedtime last night. :confused:

[BobLoblaw]

I must be burnt out when it comes to outrage over one person's opinion. Is this what adulting feels like?

[Hambo]

Have you seen the knee jerk reaction I got in the hypothetical law poll thread? Pretty normal here too it seems.

That poll is just an ideology check that should have asked: compromise or not?

[Robinson]

Have you seen the knee jerk reaction I got in the hypothetical law poll thread? Pretty normal here too it seems.

So asking for clarification on your stance and then engaging in a civil discussion is a knee jerk reaction? In other words, "Thou Shalt Not Question voodoo_man!"

[voodoo_man]

So asking for clarification on your stance and then engaging in a civil discussion is a knee jerk reaction? In other words, "Thou Shalt Not Question voodoo_man!"

Yet another knee-jerk reaction I was talking about...

The conversation we had was perfectly civil and cordial, on my end at least, I can only assume.

The initial responses to my initial post in that thread, were not.

Just to point something out - the difference between asking for clarification and a knee jerk reaction is the asking part. If you don't ask what I meant and simply make a statement assigning your personal bias onto my statements (which clearly does not share your same bias or filter) you are not asking for clarification you are insulting.

*You, used in as a general term, not you, Robinson, specifically.

[Peally]

Have you seen the knee jerk reaction I got in the hypothetical law poll thread? Pretty normal here too it seems.

There's plenty of childish pissing matches here, but I think I've yet to see anyone issue death threats.

[voodoo_man]

That poll is just an ideology check that should have asked: compromise or not?

Not even remotely.

I voted yes, but as I stated previously in this thread:


First and foremost, it says shall not be infringed, not shall be slightly infringed for only three days. Any restriction, any rule or law, which is not identically applied to other amendments or rights is an infringement and has no place in free American culture.

Is this some clearly hypocritical statement I made? Sorry trolls (Not you Hambo, as I am responding to you and if I believed you were a troll you'd be ignored), not in your wildest dreams.

As I clarified in that thread further after said knee jerk reactions occurred, we do not live in a black and white world and banging our collective heads against the wall while yelling SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDDDD!!!!1!!5!!!!!11!!!! is not going to get us anywhere. Giving us something which we already have to live with (background checks, wait periods - in some states) for greater and broader expansion of our rights (like national carry/reciprocity and repeal/etc NFA) and once we have that we can work to undo the background checks and waiting periods.

Will you argue against a hypothetical law where the NFA was repealed but in return every firearm transaction of any kind (cans, auto, sbr, sbs, etc etc etc) had to go through a three day wait period.

[voodoo_man]

There's plenty of childish pissing matches here, but I think I've yet to see anyone issue death threats.

Most of which caused by the childish trolls which contribute nothing other than said matches. No bother, I for one, have been putting them on ignore.

[Robinson]

Yet another knee-jerk reaction I was talking about...

The conversation we had was perfectly civil and cordial, on my end at least, I can only assume.

The initial responses to my initial post in that thread, were not.

Just to point something out - the difference between asking for clarification and a knee jerk reaction is the asking part. If you don't ask what I meant and simply make a statement assigning your personal bias onto my statements (which clearly does not share your same bias or filter) you are not asking for clarification you are insulting.

*You, used in as a general term, not you, Robinson, specifically.

Okay then I've misinterpreted something you posted here again, for like the millionth time.

[voodoo_man]

Okay then I've misinterpreted something you posted here again, for like the millionth time.

https://i.imgflip.com/1qj2ug.jpg

[Robinson]

I wonder if my biased filter interprets the word "patronizing" the same way yours does.

[voodoo_man]

I wonder if my biased filter interprets the word "patronizing" the same way yours does.


treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.

Answer me this question:

How can you tell the inflection of tone (like mood, sarcasm, strife, etc) from a typed post on an internet forum?

Would it not be more accurate to simply understand that the inflection you are reading any post with, other than you own, is done so through your filter and your bias, therefore you are the one adding both positive and negative inflection of tone to a post. By this type of communication's very definition it is devoid of inflection, tone, mood, etc. Whatever you are "feeling" can only come from your side of the keyboard in this context.

Before the obvious response of "but your words are mean!" Did I curse at you? Did I say something which only has one specific meaning in modern social culture? Did I threaten your life? No, none of that. I merely made a factual statement which you read with a negative inflection. One which I did not assign it and even if I did you would never know as we are not in the same room having this conversation face to face.

Here is another question for you (and anyone else who wants to think a little bit about this...):

Does a possibility exist, given any context you can consider, that this same conversation/exchange of words can have only positive inflection? What if we were having this conversation in a classroom and us being students were given a lesson by a teacher making the same exact statements, would you feel that is negative? Would you claim that teacher is patronizing you?

[Peally]

Voodoo, give it a break. There's more productive ways to burn time today.